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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on February 09, 2003, 12:10:28 AM
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http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0207/1505676.html
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Why else would one go to college?
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The father of a University of Oregon football recruit says that his son decided against the school after he was offered sex and drugs during a campus visit, according to a California newspaper.
What a popsicle....
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Funny... I was thinking the same thing...
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College without weed and popsicle is like day without sunshine.
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gawdamn.. the lil weener prolly wants to go into politics.
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not only did he turn down sex an drugs but then he tells daddy about it.
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daddy was probably a popsicle back in the day too!
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So if a kid isn't willing to get wasted and have sex with some potato then he's a whimp? You guys need to get your heads out of your collective tulips on this one- not every kid goes off to college based upon the availability of sex and drugs. I think it's admirable the kid has values in the face of certain ridicule from people like- you.
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Originally posted by Airhead
So if a kid isn't willing to get wasted and have sex with some potato then he's a whimp? You guys need to get your heads out of your collective tulips on this one- not every kid goes off to college based upon the availability of sex and drugs. I think it's admirable the kid has values in the face of certain ridicule from people like- you.
He didn't want to go to the school because he was afraid he would get made fun of after turning down the sex and the drugs... that ain't morals, that's pussitis.
Oh and yeah... at some point in his illustrious college career, regardless of the college he goes to, he will be
A) Offered sex
and
B) Offered drugs.
So is he not going to college at all? Or will he drop out and go to another college when option a and/or option b happens? Highly unlikely... his dad did a helluva job programming him, he just failed on the common sense part.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
So is he not going to college at all? Or will he drop out and go to another college when option a and/or option b happens? Highly unlikely... his dad did a helluva job programming him, he just failed on the common sense part.
-SW
So "common sense" dictates he should get high and have sex as part of the enticement UO offered him on a recruiting visit? LOL and his Dad "programmed" him otherwise he would have gone for it?
Did you even read the article? The part where it talks about Hamilton going to San Diego State instead of OU? You must not have because that part was right in the headline...and you missed it.
It might come as a surprise to some of you, but maybe the kid doesn't believe in doing drugs or having sex just because some skank makes herself available for a booty call. Maybe the kid has moral values, and maybe the kid should be commended for making the right choices instead of being ridiculed.
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He’s a popsicle because it went public. Kindly decline offer and keep mouth shut. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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He's up, he shoots....
Russian Scores!
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I said "doing"?
No, indeed I did not. I said drugs and sex are at every college campus in this nation, and he being a football player, well he'll get more offerings of sex and drugs than the average student.
So, in conclusion, what he could of done was casually deny the offer and sucked it up.
Instead, his convictions were too weak for his "morals" and he had to cry over it.
It may come of some surprise to you, but people get offered sex and drugs everyday... and they don't go popsiclefooting about it to the press as the big factor in declining a job offer or attending a university, they just shrug it off and go about their business.
The part where it talks about Hamilton going to San Diego State instead of OU?
What does that have to do with anything I said? So he's going to another university, guess what, he'll get offered sex and drugs there too. Like I said, is he going to drop out of that college when that happens? I think not.
No, he's a popsicle because of what Russian said.
-SW
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So he would have been less of a popsicle if he'd gotten high and balled some skank? What if Hamilton was a girl? Would that make it OK to speak out against inappropiate offers of drugs and sex, or is it the fact that it's a guy who's speaking up that makes him a whimp? Double standard, huh?
It may surprise YOU, SW, but if you offer a coworker sex and drugs you are opening yourself up for a potential harassment lawsuit. Of course your female co-workers should just keep their mouths shut and politely decline, right?
I applaud this kid's morality. He'll take alot of flack for doing what he feels is the right thing and alot of that flack is going to be dished out by people who never walked in his shoes so really don't know what a recruiting visit is all about.
I have a daughter starting college in September and I'd much rather have her date a kid willing to stand up for his moral convictions like this kid than date the kid who went ahead and balled the skank and got high.
Like I said, you guys are way off base on this one.
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Airhead So he would have been less of a popsicle if he'd gotten high and balled some skank?
You keep pulling this one out of the air, but there is no mention of any of that in anyone's post except yours. Maybe you just want to see this, but it isn't there.
He'd be less of a popsicle if he said, "I declined to go to this school because it isn't for me."
Fact of the matter is he WILL be offered sex and drugs at other colleges, and it'll happen at the other college he's going to attend. Just because it didn't happen on the first day doesn't mean jack toejam, it will happen, and I don't believe for a second this will cause him to leave his school of choice. It was just a way for him to make it public and convince people like you he's got "good morals" or to give him a good public standing.
It doesn't matter if he was a girl, guy, chimp or transvestite... I don't believe for a second that was the reason he chose not to attend that school, and I also don't believe for a second he will leave his school of choice when he gets offered sex or drugs.
It may surprise YOU, SW, but if you offer a coworker sex and drugs you are opening yourself up for a potential harassment lawsuit.
No, actually, it doesn't at all. I'm assuming this impressive statement was to make me realise something, but what.. I have no idea.
Of course your female co-workers should just keep their mouths shut and politely decline, right?
Yeah, of course. Where you got this from is beyond me.
I have a daughter starting college in September and I'd much rather have her date a kid willing to stand up for his moral convictions like this kid than date the kid who went ahead and balled the skank and got high.
Congratulations. Of course I still have yet to find a mention of me saying, oh he's a popsicle cuz he didn't shoot up heroin or screw some sloozy. I did say he's a popsicle because I don't believe for a second that he'll leave his school of choice when he gets offered sex or drugs there. I don't believe for a second when he does get offered drugs or sex (next week, next month, next semester) that he'll leave his college of choice. I do believe this was just a public opinion stunt and a means to appease people like you who believe roadkill like that.
Drugs and sex are at every college campus, and he being a football player will get it in front of his face more than anyone else except probably a fraternity brother. So, like I said, when he gets offered the aforementioned things, will he leave his school of choice and go looking for another one? I think not, because he'll be spending the rest of his college years looking for a college that has no drugs and no one there has sex.
This was just a stunt to gain a good opinion from people like you who believe that kind of crap. If you believe it was something otherwise, then your handle is truly fitting.
-SW
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I think Airhead is trolling.
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Certainly if this was a college sponsered act this is horribly wrong... but if it was just some jocks team trying to impress a recruit... so be it. Sex and drugs at college? BAH! LOL. ANYway... funny they are staying home close to mommy and daddy. I'm *sure* there are no sex and drugs at San Diego State. ;)
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I hope so.. cuz I don't know of any college parties were there aren't drunk sloozies, weed, and especially alchohol...
If there are, that ain't a party... it's hell.
-SW
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Originally posted by funkedup
I think Airhead is trolling.
No Funked, I was just struck by the double standard that exists between boys and girls. Had this kid been a female athelete instead of a male athelete I doubt any of you would call her a "popsicle."
Whatever, my daughter starts college so I'm sensitive to the whole away from home do what you want thing. Anyway I won't win an argument if SW responds to what I type instead of what I mean so I'll quit while I'm behind. ;)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Anyway I won't win an argument if SW responds to what I type instead of what I mean so I'll quit while I'm behind. ;)
:confused: I read minds? Damn it, I'm not even making money off it!!!!!
-SW
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I thought drugs and sex were on the cirriculum at UO...I'm pretty sure you can major in it. The kid is a popsicle, and so's Airhead!
SOB
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Originally posted by Airhead
. Had this kid been a female athelete instead of a male athelete I doubt any of you would call her a "popsicle."
We couldn’t call her popsicle because no sane person would offer her drugs and sex. If anyone did, she would squeal for sex harassment.
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Originally posted by Russian
We couldn’t call her popsicle because no sane person would offer her drugs and sex. If anyone did, she would squeal for sex harassment.
Russian, your parents must be very disappointed. I hope you grow up before you attend college or go out into the world.
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In the interests of equal opportunity, I always tried to offer as many girls as possible sex and drugs.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Russian, your parents must be very disappointed. I hope you grow up before you attend college or go out into the world.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You know me very well to say that, don’t you?
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Your wonderful repetoire of replies has set the precedence...
Astonish us with more of your amazing wit little one.
:rolleyes:
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Bodhi, I don’t know your previous experience in work environment but with mine, it happens just as I mentioned before. Anyone looks at them in the wrong way and they squeal. They run at different standards then anyone else. You might want to get off your high horse and stop insulting me with smart-ass, misspelled comments and look around (hint, get a clue).
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If spelling is a measure of greatness, then I guess I am horrible. But if poking at a dreg who has nothing better to do than picking on someone for saying no to drugs is, then I am king.
FYI little one, I know what you are trying to do, in saying he should keep his mouth shut versus saying something. Thats the reason the drug problem is so bad in this country. My hat is off to him for standing up for himself and his beliefs. Too bad more people weren't like him, maybe then the rest of us would be less likely to hear assinine comments from people like yourself.
Ohh, and working at MacDonald's after school is not a measure of the work force in this country Russian. If you think it is, you have a lot more to learn.
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Old men, So this is what you’re squeaking about. Drugs? I share same views as you. But I don’t share same view of squealing. There are ways to repair country with out everyone backstabbing each other IMHO.
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Originally posted by Russian
Old men, So this is what you’re squeaking about. Drugs? I share same views as you. But I don’t share same view of squealing. There are ways to repair country with out everyone backstabbing each other IMHO.
Then how in the hell would you expect for the drug problem to end without "squealing"???? You best get your priorities aligned kiddo, as your current direction is severly tweaked!
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Old Men
Like I said before: There are ways to repair country with out everyone backstabbing each other. Do you want me to start listing them?
Here’s one, increase spending on boarder line security. Most drugs are not grown homeland.
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And you talk about my spelling...
Here's an idea, increase penalties for selling, having, or using drugs. Maybe than the point will get across.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bodhi
And you talk about my spelling...
Here's an idea, increase penalties for selling, having, or using drugs. Maybe than the point will get across.
:rolleyes:
Well, I agree.... and I don't see anything wrong with my spelling.
and you're still a squealer :)
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I thought the best part of the story was a variation of the comedic line:
"You stupid, ugly, impotent, love muffin!"
"I ain't impotent."
Leo Hamilton, the father of running back Lynell Hamilton from Stockton, Calif., told The Stockton Record that his son was offered marijuana, alcohol and sex at off-campus parties during his official visit to Oregon the weekend the Ducks played Arizona State.
and the punch line:
According to Oregon head coach Mike Bellotti, his coaching staff looked into the accusations and found nothing to substantiate Lynell Hamilton's claims of marijuana use.
I wouldn't have guessed Mike Belloti thought 1 for 3 is a good record
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Originally posted by Airhead
No Funked, I was just struck by the double standard that exists between boys and girls. Had this kid been a female athelete instead of a male athelete I doubt any of you would call her a "popsicle."
Boys and girls are practically different species. A double standard is quite natural.
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I wouldn't have guessed Mike Belloti thought 1 for 3 is a good record
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probably wasn't suprised (or figure anyone else would be) that a succesful jock shows up to a school and a girl offers him some ass.
I'd be suprised if - in a school that size - at least one girl didn't.
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not surpising at all, just funny the way the story put it.
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ya, I did kinda notice it went from 3 issues to 2 real quick.
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Wait a second... he didn't want to go to UO because he was offered sex and drugs, so he decided to go to Arizona State? One of the biggest party schools in the U.S.?
Hmmmmm.
MiniD
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This kid was an "attention potato" from not only his father, but the media.
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I'm with Airhead on this one.
Maybe, just maybe, it would be better for everyone if more kids acted like this.
Maybe there would be less drug usage if there were more role models like this kid.
Maybe this is the start of a sea change in colleges around the country!
Maybe drugs are bad for college students!!
Maybe there are a lot of kids like this young man.
Maybe if there were more kids like this I wouldn't have gone through the entire Humbolt County crop in the 70's.
Maybe not.
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im bettin not
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm with Airhead on this one.
Maybe, just maybe, it would be better for everyone if more kids acted like this.
Maybe there would be less drug usage if there were more role models like this kid.
Maybe this is the start of a sea change in colleges around the country!
Maybe drugs are bad for college students!!
Maybe there are a lot of kids like this young man.
Maybe if there were more kids like this I wouldn't have gone through the entire Humbolt County crop in the 70's.
Maybe not.
Actually my motives are purely selfish- I don't want my child doing some of the things I did at her age. It's funny how parenthood changes your perceptions, and funnier still that the behaviors we hid from our parents are the same ones we hide from our kids.
I offer congrats to the kid's father for having open lines of communication with his son and can only hope my daughter would be as forthright about similar experiences. I feel like berating or ridiculing this young man with name calling as has happened here only contributes to the peer pressure all kids face. What message does calling this kid a "popsicle" on these bbs send to our younger members? Really, think this through people.
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Airhead...a voice of reason is not acceptable on this board...Cease and Desist.
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It may come of some surprise to you, but people get offered sex and drugs everyday...
I need to emigrate. I don't get offered sex or drugs everyday.
Where should I move?
Btw Russian, I think he was eluding to the fact that border is spelled 'border', not 'boarder'.
Might be wrong - English is my third language after all.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I feel like berating or ridiculing this young man with name calling as has happened here only contributes to the peer pressure all kids face. What message does calling this kid a "popsicle" on these bbs send to our younger members? Really, think this through people.
Well here, lets look at it the way I've been detailing it since I first posted in this thread.
Issue #1) He was offered sex, alchohol and marijuana. Marijuana may or may not have existed. Therefore he was offered sex and alchohol. He apparently did not accept them, or he atleast did not tell the press. If he did, this may alter your perception of his morals, right? Right. However, the reason for him being labelled a popsicle is not that he did not accept the alchohol, weed, or sex... but that he used that as a means to justify him not attending that school. See Issue #2 now.
Issue #2) He says the aforementioned things were the reason he declined attending one school, but he will be attending another. So, when he gets offered the aforementioned things will he drop out of that school and look for another one? No, he won't. This necessitates a call of, "You're full of toejam." on my behalf.
Issue #3) This was obviously just a means for him to gain good public standing amongst those who believe that his morals did indeed influence his decision not to attend UO. Because if his morals were indeed so outstanding, he would find very quickly he will be unable to attend any school in the US, Canada or even the world without being offered sex, alchohol or weed at some point. This therefore is obviously a publicity stunt.
For the 3 points I made above, I have labelled him a popsicle. Not because he did not accept the weed, alchohol, or sex... but because he is indeed a popsicle and full of toejam. So there, case closed... the whole motive behind him not attending UO smells of cow pies and deer pellets.
Santa- I said people get offered drugs and sex everyday, I did not say everyone... there's a significant difference.
-SW
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mih
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What I find strange is that he's invited because of football.
Isn't it the usual case that you go to college/university because you're good at what you're going to be taught? I don't think he's going to study "football".
So what kind of nonsense is that?
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Amazing how some are missing the point here.
No doubt he will see drugs and loose women in college... duh! That is NOT THE ISSUE.
He was offered drugs and loose women on his recruiting trip. That is the issue. A high school senior should be treated with much more respect and protected to a much greater degree by the coaching staff. OU's staff blew it.
If this guy is a blue chipper the coaches should be tarred and feathered by the rich alumni for not doing their job.
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You missed something MT- regardless if it was his recruiting trip, orientation or third day of classes, the coaching staff is not obligated to follow him around to off-campus and thusly not school sponsored parties to make sure he only sees the side of college that serves only as a front.
He was more than likely with other UO football players and/or freshman recruits when he was at this party.
And so the point of the coaching staff blowing it, did this kid even notify the coaching staff he was going to attend a party?
I highly doubt it, so I hardly see how this is the coaching staff's fault.. or even the schools.
Hence, it is all just a facade.
-SW
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This has nothing to do with boosters and football, he'd get the same "opportunities" on recruiting trips for minor sports as well.
I know I did.
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Which sport is best for beeing offered sex?
Advice please.
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I'm pretty sure this wasn't the kid's decision either. Daddy had to have his hands in it.
"Did you like OU son? What'd you do there?"
"Well we toured the campus, spoke with the coaching staff, met the players, met some of the teaching staff, learned the history of the school. Then that night I went out with [insert sophomore, junior or senior tour guide who he more than likely stayed with or was led around by while he was there] and went to a party. There was booze, and weed and sloozies all around!"
"Well, you're not going there then."
-SW
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damn... you ARE psychic!
or maybe just wrong.
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Wrong about what? Please enlighten me mastah.
-SW
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A blue chip recruit on an authorized (by the NCAA) trip to any school will most likely have his entire schedule planned by the coaching staff. Failing to do this means the staff is screwing the pooch.
My guess is that this kid is probably religious, and since most coaches visit the family home prior to a recruiting trip they should have known what he would be looking for in a school. Sending him off to an unsupervised party was not a very smart thing to do. Assuming the coaches knew nothing about the party is probably wrong too.
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Well... you've changed from it being just plain wrong to poor planning.:rolleyes:
I'm sure blue chip recruits are exposed to the student dorms at some point. I cannot believe this is expressly forbidden nor that its condoned... it just happens. No coach encourages his athletes to do non-preformance-enhancing drugs. But if the hotties are into it...
As for your assumption that he is religious... well... that's pretty funny. I was actually thinking Mormon or Jehova's Witness... but then I thought that was a bit too stereotyping and decided it did not matter.
MiniD
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sending him off to an unsupervised party was not a very smart thing to do. Assuming the coaches knew nothing about the party is probably wrong too.
Assuming they could of stopped him isn't a very smart thing to do either.
He's on their time during the day, at night- what are you going to do? Place him behind bars is the only viable option.
But hey, kids go to schools to get an idea of whether or not they're gonna like it... getting to know the people there is just one of the parts of knowing whether or not you will like it, and you tell me a better place to get to know people at that school than a party.
Class time? During your campus tour? Aimlessly walking down the hallways?
No, indeed a party is the best chance. All colleges have parties that atleast include booze. And the fact that the stuff came his way meant people were going out of their way to include him and make him feel welcome. <--- and that is a primary motivating factor behind attending a school, the other one is how good of an education you will get there.
Just because it was offered to him doesn't mean he had to take it. Just because it was around him doesn't mean he couldn't ignore it.
It'll be coming his way at any school he goes to, that much is guaranteed.
I dunno about you, but I can't take someone seriously who says, "Meat is murder!" When they themselves still dine at places that serve meat.
-SW
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Anyone else hearing "like a virgin" from Madonna?
ROFLMAO, only later will he realize what a fool he was. Shame on his parents for depriving him of his youth. Smart parenting prepares a child for the REAL world, not a FANTASY world (and with no drugs or sex not much of a fantasty at that).
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Sex and Drugs are the only good things in this world.
If you deny this you are a fool and a liar.
F.
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Rock 'n roll; Furious.
"sex 'n drugs 'n rock 'n roll..."