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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ghosth on February 09, 2003, 08:59:14 AM
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You get given a brand new shineing terrain with all kinds of cool new features, very well balanced and all half of you can do is WHINE about it.
Sirs, I tell you that until you have sweated buckets designing, building, polisihing, error testing, bugfixing a terrain & had it accepted by HTC. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO WHINE!
YOU go pour 3 months of your life into a terrain only to hear people constantly berate you for the sloppy job you did.
If you can't say something nice don't say anything or log off.
And no I am in no way connect to the creator/s, nor was I involved in the AK's Pizza map. But I have learned enough about the TE to respect those who have mastered it.
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Damn Ghosth....you are gonna have me getting all misty in a minute...
To be honest, the whine meter has barely shown anything since the Trinity release. This tells me that Wabbit's efforts were not invane. From listening to all the crap spewed about the Desert and asking people what it was that really bothered them, I was fortunate enough to be able to put together a terrain that seems to satisfy the majority of players. With few exceptions, Trinity has been very well received.
I do want to thank everyone for their positive responses. I was in the middle of working on Trinity when the Desert was released and the volume of negative responses made it very hard to continue. Hopefully, the response to Trinity will inspire more budding terrain artists :) .
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I personally LOVE it. The fields are closer together and it makes an all around great map. Thanks for the terrain NB ;)
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Aye - Trinity has had a pretty tame acceptance period. Everybody likes it methinks.
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most of the concerns have been valid, and or expressed in a reasonable manner. The terrain has some interesting features to it, and some will undoubtedly not like them.
One of the issues is its overall size, which has been beat to death with pizza. Another, lag, is a valid issue that will be fixed. My problem, the lack of height detail and dificulty of reading the map, is also being worked on. What more could everyone ask for? And I can tell you, this has been the warmest recieption of a new terrain Ive seen in a long time.
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I reserve my right to whine l8tr.
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Trinity is not even close to being in the same category as the Pizza. It's probably the best balanced, best designed map the MA has ever had.
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How does whining about the whiners make you any different from the whining whiners?
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Don't bring up the anti-whining whiners, gives me a headache. Is that whining? :D
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Lag seems to be the main complaint but that has nothing to do with the map.
Lotsa opportunities for CV fights on this map. Seeing most of the fights along the water.
It's fun.
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in my book ALL maps are good except mindanao, but if i did find a map to be faulty i would use my right to whine.
The fact that i pay for playing the game gives me that right. I would never whine to the designers of the map, but to HTC for releasing it.
If you bought some other kind of software you would whine to the producer if it did not meet your expectations wouldnt you?
You cant care about the feeligs of the makers of a comercial product.
:)
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Originally posted by Ghosth
If you can't say something nice STFU or log off.
Totally un called for. Your point can be made without the Colorful
Language. :(
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Totally un called for. Your point can be made without the Colorful
Language. :(
I hope you're joking because what your reply was very funny and ironic .
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Whining and voicing dislike are two different things.
I personally don't care which map we use. I still suck too much for it to make a difference.
However, as a paying customer, I will voice my opinion if there isn something I dislike. If other people dislike it, they should too. If not, there could be something in the game the HT thinks is a great new feature, but in reality, it could be driving away players.
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I won't whine about the anti-whining whiners. :p
Good map. :) Not sure what people are saying about the clipboard, but maybe we need a relief map with different colours to represent different elevations. (?) I had no problems with the pizza, and I think Trinity will be OK too. Glad that it was finished despite the pizza whines. What I don't quite understand is why so many disliked the pizza whereas Trinity has been widely accepted. :confused: The two maps address some of the same issues: GV battles allowed to take place with minimal aircraft interference, and fields sufficiently far apart to discourage upping in über planes from the next base (5 minutes away) should another base come under attack. Distance between fields should also discourage the "suicide and re-uppage" repetitive cycle which was starting to turn me away from the game. Whereas many would log off at the first sight of pizza, I would log off when I saw the small maps, and play only when the pizza was there.
And now - we look forward to the Mission Arena! Aces High - a game growing up. :):)
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Originally posted by Ghosth
If you can't say something nice STFU or log off.
'something nice' :) Now I'll STFU and log off.
Ghosth, you sound like me after an hour in the TA.
My view on all the maps is YOU play the map, don't let the map play YOU.
I 'dabbled' on a new map. After a day or three I said 'man this is NOT easy' and I quit.
I give a big SALUTE to anyone who does this stuff, and doesn't go nuts in the process.
fuzeman
My only possible complaint is no squids, pizza and beeer or other stuff. Then again ... maybe we just haven't found it yet.
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Everyone STFU !
This is the 1st time in almost four years I see ghosth yelling. :eek:
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Originally posted by fuze
My only possible complaint is no squids, pizza and beeer or other stuff. Then again ... maybe we just haven't found it yet.
More than likely just not found it yet, I suspect. :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
More than likely just not found it yet, I suspect. :)
Somebody give Flossy a cookie .
NB
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LOL
Wondering how many peeps offline hunting for the prize now :)
NwBie
Re: Re: Re: I don't believe you guys.
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Originally posted by Flossy
More than likely just not found it yet, I suspect.
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Somebody give Flossy a cookie .
NB
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Personally I love the map, but to each his/her own opinion. I don't know if it's me, but I have noticed a drop in the number of kills landed over 4. Is the new map making it more difficult to RTB?
Psyco:)
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The squid is down in the southern sea .. dont remember the coordinates, but my squaddies have already wasted it a couple of times.
OH ... and BTW ... GREAT MAP !!! (I like Pizza too) :D
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Mugzeee
You are correct sir, please accept my apoligy.
Offending "colorfull" language has been removed.
The rest of the point stands.
In theory you would have the right to complain if it was a HTC map. And they could of course ignore you till you went away.
However we have been blessed with a couple of excellent player made maps.
This takes dedicated work above & beyond the call of duty. I salute ALL Mapmakers in AH who have had a map accepted by HTC for the main, SEA, CT.
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An anti-whine with a whine in it... a twist!
Ghosth, I posted a dissenting opinion about the new map...but there was a thread asking for opinions so I responded...if you are referring to that thread... people are entitled to have opinions, even if they differ from yours... try to get used to it.
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Originally posted by Steve
people are entitled to have opinions, even if they differ from yours... try to get used to it.
HERE HERE!
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Originally posted by Steve
An anti-whine with a whine in it... a twist!
Ghosth, I posted a dissenting opinion about the new map...but there was a thread asking for opinions so I responded...if you are referring to that thread... people are entitled to have opinions, even if they differ from yours... try to get used to it.
Steve...
In all honesty, I believe in criticism as a means to improvement. I believe that one of the major reasons that Trinity has been so well received is all of the criticism that the Desert got. I try to look at what the critics are saying and incorperate it where possible.
Pyscho...
I bet if you looked, the number gv sorties and kills is way up. I have been surprised at the number of people doing gv stuff the last couple of days. So, I don't really think it is that people can't get home, I think it is more a matter of there are other things to do. Good or bad? Time will tell.
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So far, you can put me on the fan list for Trinity. Nice work NB.
WRT field spacing and furballs, I actually think furballs have benefitted from further spaced fields. They tend to occur at a nice midpoint between fields and have more verticle diversity - people are higher when they engage and there's action all the way to the ground.
There also seems to be more opportunities for naval conflict than on any other map and for us lovers of blue planes that's a big plus.
My only nitpick, and this is just a visual thing, is there sure are a lot of high mountains without a trace of snow on them. I think I even saw 18K+ peaks with trees all over them. It would be nice to have snowy northern slopes (or southern slopes, I won't be a hemishpere bigot), nothing but snow above 17 or 18K, and no trees above, say 12K.
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Originally posted by Samiam
My only nitpick, and this is just a visual thing, is there sure are a lot of high mountains without a trace of snow on them. I think I even saw 18K+ peaks with trees all over them. It would be nice to have snowy northern slopes (or southern slopes, I won't be a hemishpere bigot), nothing but snow above 17 or 18K, and no trees above, say 12K.
Sorry, there are only a limited number of terrain tiles available to work with and snow got used for stone here. Be patient...AH2 will be MUCH better :) .
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Originally posted by Psyco
Personally I love the map, but to each his/her own opinion. I don't know if it's me, but I have noticed a drop in the number of kills landed over 4. Is the new map making it more difficult to RTB?
Psyco:)
It's hard to shoot down the guys circling at 30k in there new shiny Spitfires.*cut to image of pale-skinned tard with dooly hat with the spinner on top and lollipop in mouth, desperately grasping a joystick and smiling in glee*