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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Pongo on February 10, 2003, 11:24:01 AM
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Love these last two maps guys WTG!
This one really pushes the boundries of the graphics engine I think. Lots of little towns...lots of trees. ground mists...very cool
Very good plane set except for the B26....
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Pongo, splane
Very good plane set except for the B26....
Huh?.. needed to give the Ruskies a med bmbr.
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Pongo, splane
Very good plane set except for the B26....
Huh?.. needed to give the Ruskies a med bmbr.
They have two in Boston and A-20G. Some guys have argued that the B-26 is appropriate because the Luftwaffe has the Bf 110g-2, a very good town killer. I say, so what? Is parity more important than historical accuracy? Sort of sounds like NASCAR, parity above all else...
If they must have something, give them the Mosquito. I believe the Soviets received some via Lend-Lease and it would make a reasonable substitute for the Tu-2 and Pe-2. The B-26 is major overkill.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well i have not played in the MA at all so far this month, not even downloaded the new MA Trinity map.
Having fun getting some historical VVS v Axis practice in for Niemann ;)
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Its just that it is way over defended for a Russian medium bomber. Use the Boston.
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Tu-2S
340mph
Two 20mmShVak canon firing forward in wing roots(some had 23mm cannons like the Il-2 has) Three 12.7mm UBT MG's two in two dorsal positions and one in ventral position.
Bombload 6,614 pounds.
B26B
317mph
Well all know the defensive aramement and bombload in AH.
Besides when did u last see a B26 do anything realy damaging in the game except prove to be to much for some people to deal with, in terms of not aproaching from the rear? IMO the TU-2 would be much deadler in AH than the B26 is over all.
The commies also had B25's which had the same gun set up as the B26.
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Excellent maps! Have really enjoyed them myself. :)
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Ya 10Bears did good it is a great map, I have had much fun on it too.:)
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Daddog whacked me good with that B26 yesterday.. so yeah, I'm having second thoughts about it.. :D
I'm trying to figure out why we were having so much trouble capturing V11 then D23.. Those two just didn't want to turn over.. Seems ok offline... I'm still looking.
As far as leth, try setting them all at .07, this might work..
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Widewing,
The Russians were supposed to get some Lend-Lease Mossies, but the closest they ever got was having one painted with Red Stars and possibly being delivered.
The 870 B-25Js were given to the Russians via Lend-Lease however.
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"...Is parity more important than historical accuracy?...".
Yes. We know who won WWII. Nobody wants to be at a disadvantage. For further information check out the WWII arena in Warbirds.
bowser
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Originally posted by Pongo
Love these last two maps guys WTG!
This one really pushes the boundries of the graphics engine I think. Lots of little towns...lots of trees. ground mists...very cool
Very good plane set except for the B26....
Love the map too. The new MA Trinity is way better than that crapstack Pizza eyesore, and this...is just cool.
Plus, the tardtrains in the CT I pulled were double fun, and more often than not in the MA. That means there is 5 109's per Yak, but damn if it didn't make my whole weekend dragging them down, and down, and down, to a screaming deck spray death.
I'll pop in once a week like 1% of the MA will as well. If I can blow 5 guys 15 minute alt grab,it's the fun of the game to me.
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Originally posted by bowser
"...Is parity more important than historical accuracy?...".
Yes. We know who won WWII. Nobody wants to be at a disadvantage. For further information check out the WWII arena in Warbirds.
bowser
Parity is grossly over-rated. Personally, I generally don’t mind being at a disadvantage, which is why you will frequently find me flying an A-20, IL-2 or Ju 88 as a fighter. In the MA, I’ve managed over the course of several tours, to maintain a 4/1 K/D flying the SBD as a fighter. Moreover, if I can do that, just about anyone who cares to learn how to fly the SBD can do it too.
Parity. I believe, is in the eye of the beholder.
Nonetheless, being at a tactical, strategic or performance disadvantage is no big deal, if you maximize what you have available. Parity is secondary to ability and skill. Take a look at the K/D of the Bf 109F-4 vs all four Soviet fighters. 560/427 is the total, or 1.31/1 K/D, with a positive ratio against all four individual types. Yet, the Bf 109F entered service in 1941, essentially an early war fighter. So, although this 109 is at a considerable performance disadvantage, it still dominates the mid and late war Soviet fighters. Apparently, parity is myth. On paper, the Luftwaffe has nothing that can compete on even terms below 10k with the late war Soviet fighters. Yet, flying generally outnumbered, overall the Luftwaffe is beating the Soviets at their own game. Of course, there are individual pilots on both sides who excel.
It’s true that a single Bf 110G-2 can kill a town. But, so can an A-20G. With eight 500 pound bombs and 2,000+ rounds of .50caliber MG ammo, taking down an entire town is easy. Using just bombs alone, you can drop everything but the farm and control tower, which require just one gunnery pass each.
So, with regard to the B-26, the Soviets didn’t have any and really don’t need them other than to go on “ackstar” missions trying to draw fighters into attacking them from the rear. Essentially, anything that can be accomplished by a formation of Marauders, can be accomplished by a single A-20G piloted by someone with the skill to place his bombs exactly where he wants them.
My regards,
Widewing
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Good point on the B25s..
Lets put them in the germans side to represent He177s as well.