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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 28sweep on February 11, 2003, 02:07:39 PM
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Any tips on how to use it..if at all?
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It rocks:
The 50cal on top can kill anything.
The Main gun is usefull aganst enemy Tanks PIV from the rear or side, I killed like 34 one night at a spawn point by shooting at the rear 1/4 at close range( I was resuplied by NH MiHatt). HE shels work better aganst Halftrack AP seams to have little or no efect aganst them.
Squadmates of mine have done drive by's with it speading by enemy tanks and firing on the run.
It is good for stealing a V base if you team with a M3, sneak up plug the ack and take the V base with the VH still up.
I have also used it to vulch Spawns on airfields before, by parking outside of ack range and pluging the enemy as they spawn.
If you except the fact that if you get hit by anything your toast, it can be fun if you use it to it's strengths.
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What brady said. Its great for drive-bys. In the gv city I zip around till I see an enemy then turn straight at him (much faster than turet traverse) and jump to the gun. Ususally one hit to the turret side or rear will destroy it. Even frontal turret hits can penetrate if you avoid the gun mantlet. Just take off after a turret kill, sooner or later he'll ditch.
Ostys and halftracks are easy pickings (just stay out of their range), and panzers can be taken out using cover to get a close range rear or side shot. I dunno how well it works on Tigers, but I imagine its possible if you park 10ft behind and pump rounds in. Just keep in mind anything can take you out, even 30cal pintle mgs.
The main reason I take it is because I hate trundling along at 25mph in the heavies.
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Yeah the M-8 is my favorite vehicle. Any decent shot to a panzer's turret with 37mm AP will disable it, and another shot or two to the rear compartment of the tank will kill its engine. In large battles, a well driven M-8 can really help, running around and disabling the enemy panzers while they're busy ranging in on your friendly tanks.
Tigers, though, are out of an M-8's league. It's actually easier to survive against a Tiger, because that tank's main turret has such a slow traverse rate that it has difficulty keeping up with a fast moving M-8, especially up close. However, the M-8's main gun can't penetrate the Tiger's armor except from very close range and when directed at specific points (like the treads). Even then, only minimal damage is done.
I once killed a Tiger last ToD while in an M-8 by disabling his pintle gun, then getting to within 5 feet and running circles around it as it tried to get a bead on me with it's 88mm gun. I must've put 25 AP shells into that thing, plus 500 mg rounds, and I got credit when a friendly panzer finally rolled up and put two 75mm's in its rear :)
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Its BRILLIANT at blowing up! :D
palef
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Does anyone else experience the "bucking bronco" M8 sometimes? Even at low speeds, even on the new map, sometimes it bounces around so much that it make it nearly undriveable.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Does anyone else experience the "bucking bronco" M8 sometimes? Even at low speeds, even on the new map, sometimes it bounces around so much that it make it nearly undriveable.
That is the"rough" terrain - if effects M8 very extremely. On those tiles a tank can even catch you as M8 doesn't want to accelerate there.
M8 is my favorite GV, a lot more exciting than a tank or an ostwind. You won't score near as well, but who cares, it's more fun and takes a lot more skill :)
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Lol... don't slam to0 hard on the brakes when you're doing 50.. you'll nose-flip!
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Any tips on how to use it..if at all?
Shoot and scoot. Standing still you are just a target. I loose more M8's to car wrecks (i.e. rolling over) rather than gunfire, turn very carefully.
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wish we had option of having HE AND AP loaded on same vehicle - I think it is only one that can fire both without that option.
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Originally posted by Feenyx
Yeah the M-8 is my favorite vehicle. Any decent shot to a panzer's turret with 37mm AP will disable it, and another shot or two to the rear compartment of the tank will kill its engine. In large battles, a well driven M-8 can really help, running around and disabling the enemy panzers while they're busy ranging in on your friendly tanks.
Which is one of the great jokes of AH. I routinely see Pzkfw IVs disabled by M3s but also have seen the same tankes take 8 PB shots in turret from other tanks and keep on firing.
Sakai
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What rounds should you take the HE or AP ???
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its FAST...60+ on level ground 30+ uphill good camo so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb..just hide it on a nearby hill and blast the hell outta any passing panzer...if your out tankkillin then take AP (Armour Peircing) if your killing town building take HE (High Explosive)
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The M-8 is fabulous. I just discovered it for myself a few weeks ago, and I am in love.
I've used M-8s to defend against M3s (and more) with great success. I'll take HE rounds, ramp up to 60mph towards where the bad guys are coming from (heck, at 60mph, I can afford to sneak around behind them) and when I'm close enough, I lay a couple HE rounds next to the M3s, causing them to tumble or explode.
I like using them against tanks w/ AP too. I'll get up to warp speed across the plains and jam over to behind the enemy spawn point or any inbound enemy tanks. I'll pull up behind them and start firing on them w/ my little 37mm AP gun. After a couple shots, I usually get the engines or tracks (sometimes the turret) and can either book out of there or finish them off. With the new turret tracking (eg, no instant turning), I can literally drive circles around a panzer or tiger, firing into them. The trick is to attack someone who will single-mindedly come after me with his main gun. Once in a while, though, I'll run into someone smart who gives up w/ the main gun and switches to whatever they have as their machine gun up top.
The M-8 is like a Corvette or Destroyer onland. Not a lot of punch, but more then enough speed to make up for it.
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I used it for the first time last night and I wasn't impressed. I drove right up to a Tiger and point blank shot him with some AP rounds on his turrent. Three rounds on his turrent at pointblank range did nothing. He turned and popped me with one shot. I guess the key is to keep moving fast. I am scared really of those damn UBER trees though. If you graze them BAM!!! You exploded...even in a 20 ton Panzer :confused:
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you do know the difference betwen the tiger and other gvs dont you? If you had actually killed a tiger with that gun, even at point blank range, that would be more of a concern then it doing nothing.
Heres a tip the m8 gun shouldnt kill a tiger. Why do you think it should?
If you followed this thread you would see that its not an anti tank weapon. And you surely dont wanna trade shots at any range with a tiger.
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Never said it should dumb-ass. I just hoped it would disable the turrent. Thats for the great advice donutHEAD.
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sure you did, its implied in the fact that you actually tried it.
I used it for the first time last night and I wasn't impressed. I drove right up to a Tiger and point blank shot him with some AP rounds on his turrent. Three rounds on his turrent at pointblank range did nothing.
You clearly expected the improbrable.
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Using the M8 to shoot the front of a tank is silly. If you want to attack a Tiger w/ an M8, get behind him and fire into the engine compartment.
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The only time I even come close to attacking any tank in an M8 is when I am forced into it. I would rather run circles with the following group of vehicles for town taking: 2 x M8 (town destruction), 2 x M16 (AA coverage), 2 x M3 (troops and a backup). All are capable of moving fast and doing damage to enemy aircraft that could be harrassing you. Sometimes we mix in a couple of PzIV's for anti-armor especially on Ye 'Ol Pizza where you all spawn on top of each other.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Using the M8 to shoot the front of a tank is silly. If you want to attack a Tiger w/ an M8, get behind him and fire into the engine compartment.
37mm popgun doesnt much tickle Tigers rear. Tigers rear and sides are about 80mm of armor. Front is 100-200mm(mantle).
So whatever position you shoot from...you can't hurt him.
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Theres actually a historical record of M8 killing a Tiger, from behind at very close range ;)
It must been like 30 meters of range if I remember correctly.
What comes to details, if I remember correctly again... it's so long time I read the account.. there was no real penetrations, but some of the hits caused something to dislocate, which caused a fire in the engine and thereby loss of the tank.
However killing Tiger with the 37mm pop gun would be more of a luck than a rule.
I wonder how HTC has modelled penetration for the guns.
If HTC used historical test data and from US & German sources and didn't take differences in the test methods into count, then there can be some errors.
Like yanks were happy if they saw a 'light through the crack', while germans expected full penetration.
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Hey Ding-Batz why do you insist on reading my mind? I'm much to complex for you donutHead.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Theres actually a historical record of M8 killing a Tiger, from behind at very close range ;) It must been like 30 meters of range if I remember correctly.
a wartime report from the 7th Armored Division while in Belgium in December of 1944:
While northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern section had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been was when an M8 armored car from "E" Troop destroyed a Tiger tank. The armored car had been in a concealed position at right angles to run along a trail in front of the MLR. As the tank passed the armored car, the M8 slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on the armored car. It was a race between the Americans who were attempting to close so that their puny 37-mm would be effective in the Tiger’s "Achilles heel" (its thin rear armor), and the Germans who were desperately striving to bring their "88" to bear … Suddenly, the M8 had closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in 3 rounds… the lumbering Tiger stopped, shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which bellowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position.
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Great info. Shiva...thankyou........
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Its really really good at being an easy target for almost any other gv in the game...