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Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 13, 2003, 10:03:09 AM
Two men arrested outside Heathrow.

Parts of Gatwick closed and evacuated.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 13, 2003, 10:06:49 AM
"The men are in "Hounslow" and will be questioned by police. They were stopped while traveling in a car close to the airports outer fence. No weapons were encountered.

One building at Gatwick has been closed and evacuated. Police are saying that roads will be closed in the area."
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: hawk220 on February 13, 2003, 10:30:18 AM
the world news showed lots of APCs and troops in battle gear all over the place at Heathrow.. they weren't kidding around..
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Kanth on February 13, 2003, 10:56:39 AM
hopefully it's just a spilt coke.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: CyranoAH on February 13, 2003, 11:01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hortlund
"The men are in "Hounslow" and will be questioned by police. They were stopped while traveling in a car close to the airports outer fence. No weapons were encountered."


Those damn planespotters... :p

Daniel
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: beet1e on February 13, 2003, 11:45:54 AM
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Originally posted by hawk220
the world news showed lots of APCs and troops in battle gear all over the place at Heathrow.. they weren't kidding around..
Not the first time I've seen all that at Heathrow. Stepping off a flight from Chicago c1985, the first person I saw was a squaddie with whatever the hell that gun is  -SLR? -thing with a long curved magazine. Hell, what do I know. :D

On the way out, more army personnel and armed police. Then, just the other side of the tunnel where that BA Concorde model is, there were a load of tanks! Some big, some small - those little Scorpion things. That was at the time that Gaddaffi had bombed Vienna airport.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Ripsnort on February 13, 2003, 11:47:14 AM
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Originally posted by Kanth
hopefully it's just a spilt coke.


LOL! Yeah, I read that too.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Kanth on February 13, 2003, 11:56:25 AM
got sum


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030213/D7P5TB781.html

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LONDON (AP) - British police arrested two men Thursday near London's Heathrow airport, where troops have been on patrol following a terrorist threat, and another man was detained after an alert disrupted flights at the city's Gatwick airport.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Mickey1992 on February 13, 2003, 12:08:10 PM
Reports say the man at Gatwick had a live grenade.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: ra on February 13, 2003, 12:10:13 PM
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Reports say the man at Gatwick had a live grenade.

A good way to kill that grenade would be to shove it up his butt.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 13, 2003, 12:16:32 PM
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Originally posted by ra
A good way to kill that grenade would be to shove it up his butt.


Thats not very politically correct.  Afterall, its the UK whose at fault here.  If the lines at the airport werent so long, this man wouldnt have to resort to terroristic activity.  I blame society.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 02:30:24 AM
The guy with the grenade had a false passport...he is not from Venezuela...
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Dowding on February 14, 2003, 02:34:25 AM
That's not mentioned anywhere or on any BBC news service.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 03:12:06 AM
Are you kidding?

It's in the top 3 news over here. What kind of news reporting do you have over there?

Hang on I'll try to find some internet source.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 03:14:31 AM
4 more arrests under the terror-laws in London "right now"
Arrests are believed to be related to the two arrests yesterday.

I dunno if you read Swedish Dowding... but I doubt it :) Maybe you can run this text through some bablefish or something.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,264071,00.html
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: beet1e on February 14, 2003, 03:14:39 AM
Hortlund. One thing I learned from living abroad for a few years is to take with a pinch of salt the way one country reports the news of another.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 03:16:13 AM
Oh, sorry they were arrested yesterday "under the flightpath" at heathrow. It was kept out of the news until this morning.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Dowding on February 14, 2003, 03:19:34 AM
Still nothing on the BBC about the false Venezualen passport, or any of the BBC radio stations I periodically tune to at work. Usually they pick this sort of thing up very quickly. They have 24hr news broadcasting and are desperate to fill air-time.

In the report about the 4 arrested men: "A spokesman said no further details were being released at present."

Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Ping on February 14, 2003, 03:25:03 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2760215.stm
Makes mention of the hand grenade but not the false passport
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 03:25:21 AM
Well, sooner or later we will find out who is right. :)

I have complete confidence in our news reporting agencies in Sweden though.

What they said on the radio this morning was roughly this:

The grenade guy at Gatwick was caught trying to enter the UK with a grenade in his luggage. That means the grenade somehow made it through the security check in Venezuela. At first no one thought it was terror related, but then it turned out his passport was fake. He is not a latino. Right now they are trying to find out his true nationality. Indonesian or Bangladesh is the latest info/rumor.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: bounder on February 14, 2003, 04:00:06 AM
The police were quizzed about the nationality of the suspect with the live grenade. They refuse to confirm or deny his nationality (as of 0800 utc).

His full name and nationality will be released when he is charged with a crime. until that point your news reports are speculation. It may be informed speculation, but it is speculation nevertheless.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 04:45:42 AM
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Originally posted by bounder
The police were quizzed about the nationality of the suspect with the live grenade. They refuse to confirm or deny his nationality (as of 0800 utc).

His full name and nationality will be released when he is charged with a crime. until that point your news reports are speculation. It may be informed speculation, but it is speculation nevertheless.


Dude...since everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty, the nationality of the 9-11 hijackers should be "speculation" according to your theory.

All news reporting is speculation..is that what you are saying? fine.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: Hortlund on February 14, 2003, 06:37:47 AM
Terminal 2 closed at Heathrow. "Suspicios bag" found. Being examined right now.
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: bounder on February 14, 2003, 06:48:01 AM
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Dude...since everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty, the nationality of the 9-11 hijackers should be "speculation" according to your theory.
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What theory? what on earth are you talking about?
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All news reporting is speculation..is that what you are saying? fine.

No, I'm not, I'm saying the mans nationality is not known, only speculated upon,  until the Police tell us what is is.

The Law Enforcement authorities released the names and the nationalities of the 911 hijackers to the press. Unless the press have a very good reason to do so, they do not assume the LEAs are lying, and consider them to be the final authority on the subject.

re: London airports, the LEAs have *not* released the name or nationality of the man who 'is helping them with their enquiries'. Until it does so the man's nationality is a matter for speculation, guessing, wishing etc.

And guess what. He is a Venezualan national (grenade man).
Title: Something going on in London
Post by: bounder on February 14, 2003, 06:54:53 AM
Terminal 2 reopened after scare.

The thing is if you clamp right down on security at any busy international airport you'll probably uncover a lot more daily smuggling, guns in transit, people up to no good, suspicious packages, security breaches and so on than you would normally.

If 'vigilance' goes up %500, then you can expect the detection of workaday 'bad things' to go up too. So whilst this is in operation, there will be a lot of discoveries above and beyond the specific Al-Quaeda threat.

Expect more 'minor' alarms as long as this continues. One hopes the 'major' alarm will be averted.