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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 28sweep on February 13, 2003, 01:41:54 PM
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I do. I lived in Iran from 1976-1979. My father was a defense contractor there. Early on-when we first got there- the Iranians welcomed us with open arms. They craved for anything American: cars, music etc.. By the time we left- they were largely sick of us. Why? Because of the Sha. The Sha was so oppressive and brutal to his own people. In the end-the Iranians saw him as a puppet (they were right) and blamed us for keeping his regime going. So the Iranians were desperate and they leaped at the chance to get rid of him. What did they get? A much, much more oppressive and brutal regime. Between the Sha and what followed- the Iranian people have been completely worn down. Its only the young that have the energy (and numbers) to fight- and they are pissed off. They would welcome a US invasion with open arms. However- France and Germany would block this in order to keep their fat contracts with the current government. Sad really. The Iranians are good people that have had it really bad the last 25 yrs. All our friends from back there are dead-from the Iraq-Iran war. The few that are alive are all but broken. Very sad
..Once we get our troops in that region-I think Bush will knock them off too
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No. We have closer relations today than we've ever had since 1979 with Iran.
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Then how in the hell did they get on the Axis of evil?
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Then how in the hell did they get on the Axis of evil?
Tradition?
;)
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Then how in the hell did they get on the Axis of evil?
Administration mistake. ;)
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Administration mistake.
Nope, relations with them are extremely bad, and they do belong in the AoE.
ra
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Originally posted by ra
Nope, relations with them are extremely bad, and they do belong in the AoE.
ra
Consider yourself a dolphin trapped in a tuna net. ;)
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We have to invade or at least threaten them. Otherwise democracy may develop there in a natural way. That would put in doubt the current US doctrine that freedom and democracy can only be brought into a country on american bayonets...
miko
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You are a Terd miko2d...
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D'OH!
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Originally posted by miko2d
We have to invade or at least threaten them. Otherwise democracy may develop there in a natural way. That would put in doubt the current US doctrine that freedom and democracy can only be brought into a country on american bayonets...
miko
may I use this for my sig ?
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Originally posted by miko2d
We have to invade or at least threaten them. Otherwise democracy may develop there in a natural way. That would put in doubt the current US doctrine that freedom and democracy can only be brought into a country on american bayonets...
miko
I'm all for it..
give that country 10 years of McD's, Coca-Cola, High Speed Internet, color tv, women jobs & education, and they'll never look back ..............
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They'll be too fat and oversexed to look anywhere but straight ahead, Eagler :D
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If you want to understand the iranian point of view of US-Americans you must look at their history.
Iran exists since 2500 years. It is an aryan nation surrounded by semitic arabs or other races and cultures.
In the last 100 years it simply wanted to be neutral but this wish was ignored.
In WW1 - although Iran declared its neutrality - the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Turks and the United Kingdom ignored this neutrality and used north-Iran for their WW1-battles.
In WW2 - although Iran declared again its neutrality - it came worse: Invasion forces from the USSR and the UK occupied the country in order to abuse it as a transport route for allies supplies for the soviets. The Shah was deposed and his son installed as a puppet.
After WW2 Iran became a US-satellite. But the relation ship to the USA was first a true friendship. Because the USA had none of the bad history dealing with Iran like Russia or the Uk had.
But then the incident happened which finally led to the bad relationship and mistrust of today:
In the 50ties a democratic leader of Iran, Dr. Mossadegh, deposed the Shah in an unbloody revolution and sent him to exile to Italy. He ewanted to transform Iran into a democratic country.
But then the CIA intervened and arranged the deposal of the democratic Mossadegh and the reinstallation of the dictator called Shah Reza II.
And to make it worse they helped the Shah (who now feared a new rebellion) to build a Gestapo-like secret police with the name SAVAK.
Tenthousands of Iranians just disappeared in the following years and the iranians blamed the USA for this development.
And although the Shah and his terrorism against his people increased their actions from year to year he couldnt prevent the revolution when all the hate broke out.
The rest is history.
Iran has changed in the last years and was starting a democratic reform process. But after the stupid "Axis of Evil" speach of Bush jr. the fear (and combined with the fear) the mistrust is growing again.