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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Weave on June 13, 2000, 07:19:00 AM
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Anyone else notice the airspeed guage in the screen shot of the Zero cockpit? Is it just me or does anyone else think that 350 is overly fast for a Zero, even in a shallow dive? I would think that the wings or tail is just about ready to come off.
...Weave
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TAS? Nope. The A6M5 skin was thickened to allow it a much higher dive speed...
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New level of whine alert. Complaning about a flight model before its written.
HiTech
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ROFLOL !
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Originally posted by hitech:
New level of whine alert. Complaning about a flight model before its written.
I knew that was coming. :^)
Mickey
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Originally posted by hitech:
New level of whine alert. Complaning about a flight model before its written.
HiTech
HiTech...I hope it is ALREADY written (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I dont want to wait for another week!!!
hehehehehe... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) <RAM>----->wanting to put his hands over a 190A5 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hehe
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A6M5 series was capable of about 350 in level flight, let alone in a dive. The gauge is not inaccurate.
Sisu
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I'm with Weave. I'm damn tired of lookin' over my shoulder to see overmodelled screenshots on my 6, where clearly, this would have been impossible... and I for one am NOT gonna stand for this bullsh#t any longer! Come on Beefcake, we're outta here.
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Well pardon my ignorance. All the Zeros I've flown to date, in various sims were quite slow. Their handling was excellent which was a good thing as you couldn't run away from a gnat.
I happen to have that screen shot as wallpaper on my monitor cause I love the art work, just happened to notice the indicated speed, and thought it a bit on the tall side.
However having been properly educated by all you helpful folks I will look forward to chasing down a few "runstangs" with it.
...Weave
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Now Weave, I wouldn't go that far. The Mustang can do 437 in level flight. 350 is a far cry from 437.
A6M2 had a top level speed of about 310 to 320, that may be more what you were thinking of. In any case, a Zero can dive to more than 350, although I'd be nervous about taking an A6M2 to 400 or beyond. An A6M5 is quite noticably more poweful in the engine department and I would expect to get 425 to 450 out of it in a dive. Of course at those speeds the controls will be so heavy as to make the plane almost uncontrolable.
Sisu
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Weave,
the Zeke in the pic is in shallow dive at 350mph IAS (420mph TAS). *Probably* at that speed she should not maneuver well. At least I hope so.
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In the pursuit of better combat capability (especially a higher diving speed), the 904th Reisen (an A6M3) was converted as a prototype for what was to become the A6M5 series. This project was supervised by engineer Mijiro Takahashi, who had taken over development of the Zero from Jiro Horikoshi so that the latter could concentrate on the J2M Raiden interceptor. The converted aircraft was fitted with a new set of wings with heavier gauge skin and with redesigned, non-folding rounded wingtips. The wingspan was reduced to 36 feet 1 1/16 inches and wing area to 229.3 square feet. The standard A6M3 armament of two 20-mm cannon and two 7.7-mm machine guns was retained, as were the two wing tanks and the Sakae 21 engine. However, new individual exhaust stacks were fitted to the cylinder heads, which added some residual thrust.
The first A6M5 flew in August of 1943. In spite of an increase in all-up weight of 440 pounds, the A6M5 was faster than the A6M3 Model 32, and could reach a maximum level speed of 351 mph at 19,685 feet.
More important, it could now be dived at speeds of up to 410 mph. It was rushed into production as the Navy Type 0 Carrier Fighter Model 52.
The Model 52 began to reach front line units in the autumn of 1943. It was immediately confronted by the new Grumman F6F Hellcat, which was slightly less maneuverable but which was much more strongly built, heavier armed, and better protected.
Would that be IAS? I assume so.
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The last models of the zero could dive to 450 mph. Specific parts of the wing skin were thickened. I cant wait to fly a zero at 30k and b and z people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) With the increased lethality of all planes here it should be a good ride provided you fight with a alt advantage to start. Fighting any zero over your own field or near it will also be manditory.
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New level of whine alert. Complaning about a flight model before its written.
Hey, you guys are improving fligh modeling fidelity all the time and we can't be any worse, hence the FM whine before we even fly the plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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410 mph was the max airspeed you wanted to reach in an accelerated dive with the A6M5 basic, more than that you would most likely rip wings. However, the A6M5a allowed up to 460 mph in a dive, which was developed because as the A6M5 basic made its combat debut around March 44 so did the F6F3, the F6F scored its first kill on September 1st '43 and proved to be superior to the A6M5, another reason why we should have the F6F...
are we getting the A6M5a or b?
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Hate to be a partycrasher, but this thread was about FW190A5 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Still haven't gottten any real answers there yet
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StSanta
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Umm... wrong topic. This is about the Zero.
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ROFLMAO!!! StSanta, that deserves a prize!
It had still heavier gauge wing skin which enable a further increase in diving speed to 460 mph, bringing it almost up to Western standards. This was to be the highest diving speed attained by any Reisen variant.
Oops! I missed the increased dive speed of the A6M5a model. We're getting the A6M5b iirc.
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 06-14-2000).]
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What is a ZERO ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 06-14-2000).]
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Nath,
It's been said we are getting the A6M5-B.
Frankly any of the -5 series would have been fine with me. Also I'm looking for a couple of easy varients down the road.
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I looked it up in my books this morning and my information, while not as good as Juzz's, does agree about the 351 level speed on the A6M5 (A6M5c in the case of my book).
StSanta, don't we have enough threads about the Fw190A-5. Lets let a single thread exist without trying to turn it into a "Our Fw190 is better at everything than your (insert aircraft being discussed)". Don't you LWs ever get tired of bleating on and on obout the Nazi's aircraft? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sisu
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No, but bleating on and on about Japanese militarist and anti-'western imperialist' aircraft is no different.
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Refer to the orignal post: I guess it was just me. Nevermind.
...Weav
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Nath-BDP,
My point is that there are more threads devoted to German aircraft than any other nation's. I didn't like StSanta's attempt, even if it were in jest, to switch this thread to a German aircraft. There are many players here who are completely centered on German aircraft, and thats fine. But though they may outnumber the rest of us, we should still be allowed to talk about other things. My areas of interest happen to focus on British and Japanese aircraft, a minority subject here.
You are of course right about the Japanese of the time being anti-western and imperialist. However, I was not saying that the German aircraft should not be discussed because they were the Nazi's aircraft, but rather because they are being discussed pretty much everywhere else.
Why don't you go do a thread count and see how many threads there are in which Japanese aircraft are main subject and then do the same for German aircraft.
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Sisu
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Psst, Karnak - the Zero has a radial engine... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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<<<Would that be IAS? I assume so.>>>
TAS would make more sense.
ra
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Originally posted by lasse:
What is a ZERO ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Its slang for an Officer in the U.S.N.
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Lizard3, that I can believe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 06-14-2000).]
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Karnak...
Well we have put a dent in that imbalance anyway...
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Btw most of you still missed the jist of my post. When we take screen shots of a plane, more often then not the artest are flying a different flight model. For instance the odds are the Zero screen shot was flying a 51 model. Normaly the shapes are made with some existing flight model for testing. After the shape is close to complete pyro starts on the flight model.
HiTech
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Quote: New level of whine alert. Complaning about a flight model before its written.
Hitech, were you refering to the gist of a post in another thread?
Maybe I worded my post incorrectly. I meant to ask a question relative to the indicated speed of the Zero in the screen shot.
Had I been whinning, my post would have been more like: 350!!? No way can a Zero do that! First the F4U-C with super cannons, now this! Just can't get fair shake here! Wah, wah, wah.
But thanks for the clarification anyway.
...Weav
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Anyone ever notice that the more we misunderstand HiTech and Pyro, the more we learn via their clarifications?
We should start misunderstanding more often. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ht's explanation brings fond memories...
How many of you had a dogfight B17 vs B17 on the deck doing 300 mph and shooting fixed 6x 0.5 forward ?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hey firefox - remember that ?
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