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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SirLoin on February 13, 2003, 05:58:08 PM
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Great...I hope the police can come out with a vest that can stop a 50 caliber slug from close range.
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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Haven't .50 cal handguns been around for a long time? Anyway, who buys S&W anymore?
ra
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Any level 3 vest will stop it, especially if it hits the trauma plate.
.50 AE has been around in handguns for almost a decade, this is nothing really new.
BTW Sirloin, the .357 Sig, found commonly in many Sig pistols, like those used by the FBI, Secret Service, and "apparently" the Air Marshal service (I know the SigArms instructor who teaches them, he taught a course at our school) will rip through any level 2 vest, which is typically what most cops use. .357 sig isn't an overly large bullet, but it's travelling at warp speed.
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kills on one end and wounds at the other.
btw- a .22 mag will go through most vests. and while many of your BFG's (Big fluff'n Gun- desert eagle .50 ae, .454 casul, ect) may not go through a vest, they really don't need to go into your organs when chunks of your ribs are.
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And I'm sure all the crackheads will be saving up the $900+ it'll take to buy it. And of course the want to carry around an 8.5 inch 72 ounce pistol.
Crew-served handgun.
It's a gimick that'll get most of it's use in movies, "You want to kill the super badguy? Well, you need a S&W .50 pistol."
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I want a 20mm cannon-revolver!!!!
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Quick question for you gun people please,
good pistol for person with small hands and weak wrists? (would be willing to wear a brace for long practice sessions)
but generally something that won't snap my hand off from recoil when fired? Also very reliable?
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9mm is a great gun. little recoil, enough power to do the job. plus if you know someone who loads their own rounds they can load you shells with less recoil. often without suffering performance.
S&W makes a 'lady smith' in 9mm it's very simular to a 6906 but it has a much smaller grip (straight stack clip instead of stagered so you sacrofice mag. capacity) but they are good quality and great for people with small hands.
the synthetic grips even come in pastel colors :rolleyes:
personal note to S&W - please don't 'sissy up' an otherwise fine gun. it's just not right.
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I could just buy ammo with less recoil for it then?
(don't want to have to 'know someone' to load my gun for me, that's kinda sucky)
doh as it would so happen someone is asking the same question on agw so looking there as well:
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16143
looks like i should rent various types and see which is the best fit for me. :) thx help tho.
Originally posted by capt. apathy
9mm is a great gun. little recoil, enough power to do the job. plus if you know someone who load their own rounds they can load you shells with less recoil. often without suffering performance.
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store bought ammo is fairly generic. oten with just changing powders you can bring recoil way down. for instance with for a 9mm I prefere 'blue dot' powder. I can get about 2100fps without running it too hot. on the other hand 'red dot' will give you much more recoil at under 1000 fps.
loading your own is not at all hard. virtually anyone with a reasonable attention span and the ability to follow instructions can do it cheap and easy
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Ya I used to load my own M16, I can't see loading a pistol being a huge task :)
Originally posted by capt. apathy
loading your own is not at all hard. virtually anyone with a reasonable attention span and the ability to follow instructions can do it cheap and easy
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you do know I was talking about loading your own cartriges, right?
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no I mistook for loading the pistol itself not loading the cartridges.
but I do now :)
sorry not much sleep here.
now that I look you even mentioned the powder, so I definately need to sleep soonish.
Originally posted by capt. apathy
you do know I was talking about loading your own cartriges, right?
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Kanth, if its self defence that is your reason, and it is a handgun that you are contmeplating, I suggest a 38 special revolver, double action only. If it is a conceal carry gun then a lady smith or equivelant would work well. However the recoil can be fairly sharp in the light weight models. It really depends on how tolerant you would be to the recaoil and report. I would stay away from auto loaders unless you become an avid shooter and and want to advance to something more versatile.
have fun!
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9mm is really nothing, easy to empty an entire clip into a small area at 50 yards. .45 isn't that bad either, but that .50 DEagle... woh, now that's power.
-SW
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Kanth,
Please take a gun safety course first.
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The Desert Eagle 50 is something else. I only fired a few boxes of ammo through one - and I was in fear of every next round. It is contrllable and you can sorta aim it but its recoil is something else when it goes off. Thank god the punishement stops after only 7rds then you get a break to reload. Wow! :)
It is a magnificent looking gun, I can get over how much it actually likked like an artillery peace more than a handgun. :)
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Sorry but a giant .50 pistol isnt that big of a deal. I dont see anyone freaking out over a desert eagle. Isnt a cartridge that big just for show?
If I were a cop, I'd be more worried about pistols specificly designed to deal with body armor. (http://www.innomi.com/linktrack.php?url=http://www.fnmfg.com/products/fivesevn/fivesevn.htm)
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Udie, I grew up with guns, my father was a gun collector took me shooting all of the time.
And I'll still take the course, it's all good.
thanks for your concern :)
Originally posted by Udie
Kanth,
Please take a gun safety course first.
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Thanks Ammo :)
I honestly think I should not have light weight just because of the harsher recoil. I can build up strength and stamina to hold a heavier one properly, but I can't unsprain my wrist if it gets snapped really hard.
Originally posted by -ammo-
Kanth, if its self defence that is your reason, and it is a handgun that you are contmeplating, I suggest a 38 special revolver, double action only. If it is a conceal carry gun then a lady smith or equivelant would work well. However the recoil can be fairly sharp in the light weight models. It really depends on how tolerant you would be to the recaoil and report. I would stay away from auto loaders unless you become an avid shooter and and want to advance to something more versatile.
have fun!
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here is the real big boy in town,,its a 45/70 with 10inch barrel its a mean gun and is about 4 pounds 4 ounces,,same weight as my 44 colt dragoon,,,it surely is a monster!!!,,lol
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A .22 worries me more than that hand cannon does.
J_A_B
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not me,,, my brother has a 45/70 rifle,,,tell you what,,i would rather have the chance of a 22 bullet go threw me any day,,than being hit with that 45/70! it would kill you know matter were it hit you allmost,if it hit your hand,,it would probly take off your arm and your life with it too,,atleast with a 22 you got a chance,,with this gun,,there aint no chance at all,,you hit a deer or anything with it,,drops like a rock
saying you would rather be hit by 45/70 then a 22,,,,is allmost like saying you would rather be hit with a 30mm in aces high,,than a 7.62,,lol
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you would rather be hit by 45/70 then a 22
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I guess the odds of being left wounded are much less :p
can't say what a 45/70 would feel like but I can tell you a .22 to the thigh hurts like hell, sorta like being stabbed with a red-hot needle followed up by a hammer. but hey I still have my leg. 45/70, I'd probably be hop'n around on 1 leg
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i thought all criminals used cheap "saturday night specials " , isn't that why the cheap "saturday noght specials " were baned, well isn't it??
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so true capt,,,coming from a guy who has been hit by a 22,,if it was a 50cal or 45/70 you mite not be here today,,lol,,how did that happen?,,accident or on purpose,,,,thats why in the civil war there wasnt that many wounded,,,everyone was fring a 58 cal bullet and bigger,,,so when it hit a leg or arm,,,it just took it right off
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stupidity, 16 yrs old 1/2 pint of whysky. thought I was tough and invincable, an old man thought I looked more like a target.
learned a little that day
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.22 is porked. I remember hitting a cola bottle from 20 yards with a .22 short without breaking it!!!
However, the human flesh is tender, and with a carefully aimed 22. long, I killed many a bull.
22. Magnum will do it a lot safer, but still not 100%
With a .45, or 50 cal you just have to hit it somewhere:eek:
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Kanth a Glock 19 9mm will be a good choice or if you want something smaller a Sig 239 .380 ( loaded with Federal HS 95 grains)
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most myths allready dispeled here.. people have been trying to make handguns equal rifle power since day one.. nothing new here.. same story... you end up with a very large and heavy hangun that is very expensive. It is firearms "hot rodding" and is no threat to anyone. 480 ruger and 454 casul are out there.. I didn't think any of those guns recoiled much including the mildly recoiling desert eagle in .50 but... several small low powered arms like the charter arms bulldog in 44 special bit pretty good which brings me to...
kanth.. ammo is correct in caliber and choosing a revolver but... I would go for a 357 in about a k or L frame revolver (mid to mid heavy). You can shoot 38 specials out of the 357 and expect the recoil of a 22. If you do decide to try some 357's in it you will probly be surprised at how easy the gun is to handle. My daughter is small but she fires my cut down 44 mag revolver in rapid double action with not problem. There is no wrist that is too "weak" to take the piddly 8-13 lbs of recoil that handguns make. It is mostly a mental thing. The guys you see talking about fierce recoil are the ones that are going to be most affected by it not my 5'4" 120 lb daughter or you.
lazs
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Oh... Smith and Wesson has been bought back from the effeminate limeys and has recanted all of their hand wringing former policies.
lazs
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Anyone heard, Smith&Wesson are going to produce a 1911a1 type pistol!
Will be just like everyone elses 1911 but with an external exracter.
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/SW108282_lrg.jpg)
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well,,,,counts on the gun on recoil,,,anything that isnt a revolver wont kick too bad,some revolvers have broke some girls wrist,,but hey,,,that could be just them too and freak weak wrist,,lol,,,but i tell you what,,my brothers 45/70 cabine rifle hurts my arm,,and i bet it would kick like hell in a revolver,,,a desart eagle dont kick as bad,,because most of the power is took up in the action,,,some revolers are known for putting the hurt on people,,,,but most men have nothing to fear from shooting the biggest of hand guns,,lol unless there just scared,,,my 44 dragoon kicks anuff for me
and for my long range smooth shooting pistol,,i have a 1914 ernfert long barrel luger<~~talk about the smoothest shooting gun i ever shot!! has 800 yard ladder sites,and suprizing,,its good too about 350 yards,,should see the people laugh when im hitting the same targets they are and they got rifles lol,,place for stock,,and you can even get a 38 round drum clip for it,,and its legal,,preban as hell,,lol,,only reason i like the old guns,,dont have as many restrictions
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gawd that is too sweeeeet!
droool.
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