Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: jarbo on February 14, 2003, 02:21:26 AM
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Allies (Bishop):
P-40b
P-40e (arrives in theater sometime Monday)
Hurri-I
SBD
Boston-III
Japanese (Knight):
A6M2
B5N2
D3A1
KI-67
Both:
C-47, M-8, M-3, M-16, LVT4
Ack .7
Fuel 1.5
Radar Ct Norms
Downtimes
Field Obj: 45min
Hangars: 30min
Ack: 20 min
Jarbo
CT Staff
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Where's my sun helmet and mosquito spray...:D
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"P-40e arrives sometime Monday" Now that's an interesting twist. Can you keep track of total kills both before and after its introduction? I'd be very interested in seeing how much of difference it will make.
KI-67 will be pretty much untouchable in this setup no?
Oh and thanks, the Burma setups are amongst my favorites.
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So is the Boston, but their in lies the parity, the boston can be used howeaver to intercept the Ki 67, while the ki 67 cant realy be used to intercept the boston. Leval bombers also have little impact on game play presently in AH, so the parity in preformance for the Allied and Japanese Bombers vs the fighters that apose them is in effect fair. And at present it is all we can realy do.
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Yeah, but what are you going to do when you catch the Ki-67?:D
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I chose to give the Japanese thier only bomber, as opposed to substituting it with something else.
Eskimo is the "master" of statistics, we might be able to get him to do the numbers. As for me I really dont know how to get the raw data on how much of a difference the P40e inclusion will make other than by just watching arena and guessing.
And slash27, in answer to your question.... :)
Jarbo
CT Staff
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Go under it whear the blind spot is, then pull up and put a good burst in the tail and watch it fall off like it does most all the time. The outer wings come off prety easy to.
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Originally posted by brady
Go under it whear the blind spot is, then pull up and put a good burst in the tail and watch it fall off like it does most all the time. The outer wings come off prety easy to.
My love of Brady extends to the facts that he runs the CT so swimmingly and spells even worse than I do.
I wanted Burma next, I am pumped up. Can Greece be far behind? Clearly the 4 best arenas are Greece, Burma, Finland, Hungary.
Happy Valentine's Day!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Sakai
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I really hate it when people dis a setup even before it starts ... but...
ouch.
With one, comparitively underpowered fighter, this one will get old fast for the Japanese, I'm afraid: along about Monday.
The weekend might be fun, though.
Splash1
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What are the CT norms for radar? Also for fighter, bomber, and gv base flashing distance?
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Originally posted by Dennis
I really hate it when people dis a setup even before it starts ... but...
ouch.
With one, comparitively underpowered fighter, this one will get old fast for the Japanese, I'm afraid: along about Monday.
The weekend might be fun, though.
Splash1
My first outings were in Burma using this exact planeset and it was fun. Of course, back then folks would switch sides to keep it even. The way we've had the face shooting gang bangers in there lately . . . .
Sakai
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Originally posted by Dennis
With one, comparitively underpowered fighter, this one will get old fast for the Japanese, I'm afraid: along about Monday.
Heh heh. Work with the A6M2 just a bit and you'll find that it's uber (P40E may be a problem). Just remember to hold your fire until you're at 250 or less.
- oldman
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they forgot the 109f again :)
map is better than an island string though..
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"What are the CT norms for radar? Also for fighter, bomber, and gv base flashing distance"
We just say Normal so we can do whatever and it is ok:)
Radar:
Radar mode:458 for all
Randome rotate o
Radar update 2
Radar alt 1000
sector counter alt 750
Sector counter range 160000
Tower based radar range 52800
vehical warning range 15840
Warning flags 15, for all
It is a good thing I like ya dadog that was kinda a pain to write down:)
These setings are sometimes modified depending on the map to increase the detiction ranges.
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sakai writes "back in my day, people would switch sides, I walked 400 feet to school, downhill bothways, ice cream tasted better, and Coke had cocaine in it!"
so
sick
of
this
whine
shut up and deal with it.
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Coke had cocaine in it...LOL, ya I hate having to add it now days.
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no kiddin a can a coke would cost 250.00 to day:D
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I dont recall the P-40E in the last Burma set. Was it? I'll gladly take it, but it maybe to much for some:p
Speaking of Coke, im drinking a diet vanilla Coke(im fat) and it contains Phenylketonurics. WTF is that?:confused:
:D
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Originally posted by Sakai
My first outings were in Burma using this exact planeset and it was fun.
I don't remember the E being in earlier Burma setups. Guess I could be mistaken. If it was, I'm sure it waxed my bellybutton in the early Zeke.
Originally posted by oldman
Heh heh. Work with the A6M2 just a bit and you'll find that it's uber (P40E may be a problem).
Precisely my point, oldman.
Splash1
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Originally posted by ergRTC
so
shut up and deal with it.
I do, but it is making the CT as redundant as the MA, and at some point all the CTers will drop their accounts (this is not uncommon in my brief time here) because they don't want historic matchup MA vultching fests.
It simply was a different place, not long ago. You might stop trying to pretend differently and deal with that? Or go diddly yourself, whichever you feel does the most for you.
Sakai
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oooh ouch sakai,
as shane would say stfu, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Saw those old kill stats, and I bet we are going to see about the same this time (for the b). Really the only move a p40b has on this zero is a diving spiral at high speed. And this is tough too. These zekes just hold together too well in a dive. I think it will be a good fight though, team tactics are going to be the only way to keep a p40b in the air. P40e does seem a bit good for the zero, but as soon as it comes to an acceleration race, the zero has it. And of course the zero will rip you apart as soon as you get slow. If you keep the p40e fast, you have better climb, and better speed (low at least) so they hold a pretty good advantage.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
oooh ouch sakai,
as shane would say stfu, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ooooh, Shane would say it? Oh, man , I am scared now!!!!
Maybe next you can get a note from your mommy so you can really retort? If only your sister would let you up and stop farting on oreos and cramming them down your throat you might respond in a naughty manner?
What a waste of protein.
Is that you're best shot?
What a popsicle. Little weenies like you who don't like people to address actual issues can blow me junior. Read it again: blow me.
Until then I'll quake in fear at your latest, unthinking, and unoriginal response.
Loser.
I get to squeak about what I want to, and if you don't like it, then you can go diddly yourself.
Clear it up for you any, Nancy boy? Be sure and get permission to come back and get mean on me.
;-)
Sakai
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hhehe somebody got a little upset didnt they?
In the end you are the one that cant stop crying.
I am looking forward to flying both sides of this map, I think the weekend matchup will be a good one for the a6m2 but not sure about when the p40e comes in.
I think sakai should switch sides if he doesnt have friends to fly with. Were you not in the 27th sentai or something? Get yourself some squad mates in the ct, maybe that will help your numbers problem.
I tend to do a couple of things when the numbers are against me.
1. I find a place where the numbers are not so bad, and change my techniques so i dont fly low in slow with more than 2 enemy around me.
2. I fly a bomber and give them something bigger to shoot at.
3. I shut the diddly up and let people have a good time without seeing my whiny little crap on channel 1, or the bb for that matter.
thank you.
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And IMO it all comes down to the pilot of each plane.
I flew the P-40B first, got into a few fights with high Zekes, got a couple kills, then landed to even the sides and try out the Zeke.
P-40B can outroll the Zeke as the speed increases, only time I have found that you are gonna see that is when the bad guy in the Zeke is on your six. You are not going to outclimb the Zeke, the P-40B is not fast enough to run away, and you sure cannot outturn one. Two fifty calibers and four pea shooters in the B model versus the two 20mm cannon in the Zeke. Firepower in this matchup goes to the Zeke.
Switched to the Zeke, did what I thought I needed to do, climbed hard after takeoff.......Zeke will hold a 3K a minute climb rate if you do it manually, keep your airspeed at 100mph IAS. Sure, it wallows a bit as you get higher, but climb rate in this setup goes to the Zeke.
Go level, first thing I noticed was how much more quickly the Zeke accelerated than the P-40B. Almost the whole time I had been in the B, my airspeed hovered at 200-215IAS, would only climb above that if I leveled her off for an extended time period (which I did not have, too many Zekes prowling around) or if I stuck her nose down. Zeke will just plain out accelerate the P-40B in level flight, initial E states being equal.
So, now I come over the enemy base, 15K alt, looking for victims.
See a couple P-40's and a Hurri below me, chasing a friendly. Throttle back and head down, sideslip a bit to keep the speed down, ease in behind a P-40 at d90.......only my poor gunnery kept me from getting an easy kill. My intended "victim" split S'd down and headed for the field acks, so I let him go. Went over and killed the Hurri driver, then decided to help out with a P-40 that one of my comrades was furring with.
Landed two kills on that sortie, then I had to head to work.
Saying the P-40E will be uber is, IMHO, total BS. It will maybe even out the odds on the firepower issue, but the A6M2 still flies a long time when you set it on fire, while the P-40's go down fast.
Fellas, my long winded response can be summarized easily: Fly the available planes to their strengths, and you will be competitive. Trying to turnfight a Zeke in a P-40 is suicide. You might get lucky a time or two (hehehe..... Chanzzz) but you are only playing the game their way. The A6M2 in AH can be dived to over 500mph (RL NTE speed was 340-350 from all I have read) so I think a careful Zeke driver can play the BnZ game with the P-40's if he plays smart. Wanna drive a P-40 guy nuts? Keep the fight low, where he cannot dive for speed once you get him slow. Get in close, use your cannon in short bursts, and you WILL get kills.
Bottom line: Don't be so quick to blame the planeset if you keep getting killed. Instead, look at HOW you are flying a particular plane. Then go from there.
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I agree with your words on the current planeset, but the p40e will outclimb an a6m2 buy a good amount low, and is quite a bit faster. I believe the 6 fifties are more lethal than the anemic zero load out as well. Of course the acceleration situation hasnt changed, so if you fly like a fool, they will eat you up.
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"3. I shut the diddly up and let people have a good time without seeing my whiny little crap on channel 1, or the bb for that matter. " Yeah, he takes it out on me on the squad Ch:D
Who's fault is it anyway if you get "faceshot" or "gangbanged"? It happens to all of us at one time or another, but do you put yourself in that position on purpose then squeak about it? Are you one of these guys who insists on flying alone and then spouts off on Ch 1 about " well, it took 4 of you to get me" ? Just asking. I do know that erg can piss a guy off but he does have a point. Your reply was out of line and stupid.
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We just say Normal so we can do whatever and it is ok
LOL We need to adopt that for events. ;)
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Originally posted by ergRTC
hhehe somebody got a little upset didnt they?
In the end you are the one that cant stop crying.
thank you.
No, I simply don't like morons telling me what I can and cannot say, and when you shot your mouth off, that's what you were doing. I know you think you own the place, amazinhunk, but since you don't, please don't tell me what it is I am or am not, ok sissy ass? Punks like you don't add anything to the world in general, much less a game, junior.
I'm not crying about anything, if I was I wouldn't be here anymore. Being as I am still here, your argument is patently false.
I get up into CT almost daily/nightly, seems that if one switches sides lately to even things out, there is a contingent that is into gangbanging and face shooting, even vultching and yes: land grabbing. Now, to say this wasn't the case even a few months back is wrong, and so many are asking: "What has changed in CT"?
Now, I don't run from fights like you rutabagas do, we can all imagine what a brave moron like yourself would say if one did, so I'll give anything a sporting shot, simply for the fun of it and knowing that 4 guys circling endlessly need something to do. I mean, what's life for if not teh challenge? But when one engages 3 on 1 (as it's often the only available fight and the option is to not fly at all) and you're face shot and vultched . . .well, that's a game for retards like you who rationalize your behavior with such easily falsifiable statements as these.
So think about it: well meaning behavior or mouthy retards? Hmmm . . ..which would I rather associate with? Gee that is a hard choice junior, it really is!
No one's crying dick-head, so listen carefully now: Simply stating it like it is--lots of CT guys saying same thing. Only a few gangbangers that really argue the point.
And that makes you?
Thanks for trying though, you'll see that if you want an actual response, you simply need respond without pointing fingers and whining about someone's opinion, rather than run your mouth at first light and spout a postulate as stupid and errant as yours was.
See, your complaint really becomes: "I'm sick of hearing about what an amazinhunk I am" which means: "Stop being an amazinhunk" doesn't it? Again, no one complains about fair fights, even lopsided ones--no one.
I don't mind squads, or 3, 4, 5 on 1s, as noted, I will try anything for the fun of it--but being a dickhead about it is, well, really a game for retards like yourself. Please continue to rationalize this behavior as much as you like.
If you stop and think about it, if you reason at all, there's no other explanation.
Thanks for trying though, I like it when, uhmm, really smart guys like you think you know what makes me tick.
So, what is it? What changed in CT to make some guys bring their MA act there and then proudly claim they built the place and eveyrthing before it?
My squad upped there last night first time ever. I told 'em: no HOs guys, the Ki-67 is overmodeled for the planeset so if we do that, it's for grins but let's try the planes they used first." And we did the Val/A6m2 run. Had a blast doing it, too!
;-)
Sakai
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Originally posted by Slash27
"3. I shut the diddly up and let people have a good time without seeing my whiny little crap on channel 1, or the bb for that matter. " Yeah, he takes it out on me on the squad Ch:D
Who's fault is it anyway if you get "faceshot" or "gangbanged"? It happens to all of us at one time or another, but do you put yourself in that position on purpose then squeak about it? Are you one of these guys who insists on flying alone and then spouts off on Ch 1 about " well, it took 4 of you to get me" ? Just asking. I do know that erg can piss a guy off but he does have a point. Your reply was out of line and stupid.
No, I don't complain about being killed like that, and I never think it took anyone much of anything to shoot me down. I don't think that if I have a guy 3 to 1 that I need to HO to "score" and when I first got on CT, I was told expressly that this was the behavior we sought to cultivate in CT. It is simple:
What has changed in the CT?
And please don't excuse stupid behavior by saying my response is over the top, I know that, that's the point: to tell dickhead there to wise up and not run his mouth if he wants a civil conversation. It's always the guys crying "Hey stop whining" that really run their mouths the most, that is, whine the most. I mean, is there anything more assinine than a guy whining about what he feels is whining? That's the logic you're defending, I can't imagine the stupidity of that kind of logic.
That's the point. Sorry if the subtlety of such points isn't borne well on text mediums such as this or emails.
Are you in my squad? I don't think so, one or two guys in my squad fly there occasionally so I don't use Squad channel there, never.
If one assumes everyone will faceshoot, one has to faceshoot to defend one's self. I was told when I started flying there we did not want the MA mentality in CT. Hey, I go to MA to do the Lemming thing ok? In CT, I epxect better behavior.
Sakai
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wow sakai, let me run some things by you.
"running your mouth"... Your whining posts are getting biblical in length.
"dont like morons telling me what I can and cannot say"... Your the guy trying to get us to switch sides, much worse than telling you what to say.
"faceshot" = whiner speak for a HO.
All I told you to do was stop whining, in a fun, entertaining way.
As far as the ct is concerned, I have been flying in the CT solely since it was reborn. I have logged 3 hours in the MA in the past 6 months or so. I have not noticed any change in the atmosphere, besides shane settling down.
I think you had a bad night out, got some unlucky breaks, and want to find someone to blame it on. Thats why I stand by my initial posts to you. If you have forgotten what got you so pissed off, here you go.
so
sick
of
this
whine
shut up and deal with it.
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Just took a p40e up, very good plane against the zero when flown very conservatively, but gives you alot more leeway than the b if you screw up and get low and slow. Took the zero up after that and took out 2 p40es after plucking em from a group that had a big alt advantage. They got low and slow and did not run from me. I think this may work.....
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Sheesh Erg I'm hurt, you've found another to argue with......... Oh what will I do???:D
I can understand Sakai's point though. The bigger CT squads are Allied. It does cause a balance issue. I did my sentai time and I really don't wanna go back and fly the A6M2 anymore. Some times we're short of Luftwaffe types too. Hmm maybe somebody needs to build a Luftwaffe squad in CT..... HEY JESTER!!!! Naw he'd kill me before he'd let me build another squad LOL.
Sure wish some of the Axis squads would participate more in CT. The few Luftwaffe guys that do populate the CT are outstanding, I would love to see them in squad strength.
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I wouldnt!
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I really dont see the number problem. People log on tuesday or thursday and see 30 to 15, and automatically assume we are flying p51s on mass 30k over the base. That is not the case. We only do bombing missions when the numbers are like that, no fighter sweeps till the numbers even out. You can vouch for us on that one.
Last week we ran b26s on tuesday, then did a duel with the 325th on thursday. Of course lowe could vouch for that too. If you see the numbers are off, find out what people are doing rather and fly appropriately. Dont up from a vulched base.
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come to think of it, that is logical.
Our real airforce would not send in the b52s unless they had air superiority, so it all kinda works out dont it?