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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Swager on October 06, 2001, 07:10:00 AM
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Titles says it all.
Perk the Mossie!!
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Good one Swaggie :D
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I almost pee'd myself laughing when I saw this title
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:p
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It'll be interesting to see how this thread develops. I had a 1v1 in a 109G-6 against a Mossie. Turned into a vertical, looping fight. Looked like I was losing ground, so I broke out and ran for it. The Mossie ran me down and slaughtered me. Made me suspicious, but it WAS just one engagement.
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oboe was that the fight you and I had?
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As far as I can tell, the Mossie handles verticle manuvers quite poorly. Unlike other fighters, a Mossie at 360mph has to do a loop, it can't safely go verticle. If it points its nose up and lets the speed get too low it risks a stall in which it slides backwards into the ground. I've had this happen several times offline and have never been able to recover, or even alter, the stall. If the Mossie starts at 360mph and does a loop it is down to about 130mph at the top of the loop.
The way to kill the Mossie is to use its poor climbing characteristics against it. It is also a big target that is fairly fragile.
Unless you are in a really fast fighter, and near co-E, don't try to dive away from it.
oboe,
The Bf109G-6 should be able to climb away from the Mossie if you have addequate separation to avoid it cutting your corner or staying level and then pulling up for a parting shot.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
As far as I can tell, the Mossie handles verticle manuvers quite poorly.
Yeah, poorly enough to zoom after yakU, keep closing at zoom and kill it finally with long spraying and praying.
I do not think it shall be perked though. Why? It is not good enough to be perked. Same time its ENY and OBJ values shall be decressed greatly, 25/25 is more than it shall be.
Fariz
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its got alot of Boom but no real Zoom. the MkIV is very fragile and used only at night as a fighter to vulch or as a very fast bomber.. you have to remember that this came out around the same time as the spit V.
"When the prototype was trialed on the 25th November 1940 it achieved 624 km/h in front of stunned officials. (Bowman, 1995) (go to Performance) This speed placed it 32 km/h faster than the contemporary MK.V. Spitfire. Fitted with new engines the prototype achieved 703 km/h, the fastest any Mosquito has flown (Wilson, 1990). The Mosquito in flight above is from Web Birds."
www.rcaf.ca (http://www.rcaf.ca)
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sorry, this is the link
http://www.mossie.org/ (http://www.mossie.org/)
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Originally posted by Fariz:
Yeah, poorly enough to zoom after yakU, keep closing at zoom and kill it finally with long spraying and praying.
I do not think it shall be perked though. Why? It is not good enough to be perked. Same time its ENY and OBJ values shall be decressed greatly, 25/25 is more than it shall be.
Fariz
I think it shoulds stay the same ENY/OBJ, it's not really a good fighter, yeah it can turn a bit but it drains e bad. It's not as good as say a DHog or P-51D which are at 18ENY. And i do a lot better in the P-47D-30 (29ENY) then I do in the Mossie.
Also if it zoomed with you it may have had a lot more E than you. Everything isn't always "textbook" it's always dependent on somethings. Even 10MPH can make a difference in a fight.
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Never, EVER, HO a Mossie. Bad idea.
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Originally posted by moose:
oboe was that the fight you and I had?
Moose I honestly don't know. I've been flying, fighting and dying so much I don't recall. Been having a blast though, after a 2 1/2 month hiatus.
The Mossie is definitely the star of 1.08 now that the Schwalbe has been perked. I'm seeing alot of them up. Its a much better plane than the WarBird's Mossie, that's for sure! Its got a 6-view, and you can crank your head up to see over the nose for take-offs. Firepower seems absolutely devastating.
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IMHO, the Mossie is fine the way it is. Why everyone is complaining about it is a mystery to me personally.
I'm no Mossie expert, but if memory serves correctly, it was basically a flying piece of plywood, powered by two merlin engines (right?) The 38, again, from what I've gathered since I've been playing AH, is actually a much better fighter than the Mossie (everything considered), but I don't see everyone whinning about it not being perked. :rolleyes: Besides...as the last release proved, once everyone gets used to it being there, its use will probably decrease.
Anyhoo, there's my opinion, and it's exactly that.
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[ 10-07-2001: Message edited by: TUCKO6 ]
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I think this post has to be in jest... Can't be serious... can he? Oh wait.. there's the smiley. Keerist I got a negative K/D in that thing - but I've loved every minute of flying that crate. :)
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hehe, but you can almost hear the demands to perk it because it is "an HO MONSTER", can't you? ;)
It will come, give it time...
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I dont know were it started, But it seems to be a wide spread misconseption that the Mosquito is some flying peice of crud.
I have an AW background and Most folks with knowledge there knew it was the poorest FM Job in the game. It was modeled to have horible handling charcteristics. From what I understand it was much better in WBs.
From what I know of the Mosquito, AH has done a fantastic job recreating this aircraft. It was fast, handled well for its size and deadly.
People will just come to respect the Mossie and learn to deal with it.
HTC Thanks for the Mosquito and doing a great job.
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Only thing it's REALLY got is Speed and Guns,. it's alot heaver then other fighters and can quite easily be outmanuvered and outclimed, don't try and run from it at the deck though, this thing can easily outrun LA7's.
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I agree with wilbuz. I had a mossy engage my low D30, He tried to follow my scissor and while I was surprised at how well it rolled, it still coul.d not keep up and I was quickly on his 6. I will say this, it is now as anemic as I thought it would be.
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Nash just about whupped my ass. Him in the Mossie, me in a P51D... now, I'll grant that Nash is a much better pilot than I am, but whoopee that thing can turn on a dime - better than my pony could w/ a notch of flaps. I think what really got me was that this was the first time I attacked one, and I didn't give the beast half the respect I should have from the outset... lucky for me, I dragged him out long enough for a friendly to take him off my 6... but if he hadn't?
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What a load of BS.
The mossie is dead meat in AH, it is a big target, sure it can turn but it slows it down real quick. Its verticle sucks beyond belief.
Soon as it came out I thought... "hmm is the successor to my beloved Tiffie" with all those guns so I went offline and performed some basic tests. One of these included a zoom from a flat 320kias at low level. The tiffie outzoomed the mossie by an easy 1500-2000 feet. Now the tiffie is NOT the best zoomer in the game.
Of note was the vertical control in the mossie was shockingly bad. The engines don't appear to be contra-rotating so torque is a major issue as well.
If you're having problems with Mossies its either because you're up against a pilot who knows how to use this machines abilities, or you're flying your machine the wrong way.
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I have met alot of Mossies in my 109 G10 and so far i have killed 17 Mossies and Mossies killed me once... Just don't HO it else it will chew you up and spit you out.
Broes(y)
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I don't think the mossie is faster than the La-7 at any altitude, Wilbus.
But I love it dearly. I'm learning dive-bombing in it ASAP so it can replace my tiffie. :)
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Bear in mind Gentlemen that the Mossie was typically a lone night intruder (most RCAF Squadrons) seeking targets of opportunity in low level raids. It's defense was it's speed - it's offense obvious.
In AH it can be a monstrous killer but it needs fighter cover in the theater we fly.
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Nice topwater lure swagger.
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I HO'd an n1k in my mossie the other day. Result 1 dead n1k :D
(btw it got my R/H engine and rudder so I augered while landing, very hard to land assymetric with no rudder ;) )
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Whoa! Easy boys, easy!
It was sorta meant as a joke!
I guess I shouldn't of opened up my BIG mou.... keyboard!
"Baliff, whack my pee-pee!!!"
:)
Salute to all you AH simmers, you people are just too cool!!
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The comment was made above that the Mossie is fragile, but I've sustained some pretty decent pings from ack and other a/c and lived through it with acceptable damage. And it does one of my favorite tricks very well, the low-level enemy base ambush. It gets there quick, blows away anyone taking off, then egresses to fast for anyone to catch you. Love hunting trains in it too; it never runs out of ammo.
Had a fight in the Mossie with an F6F that most impressed me. The guy was on my six at less than 3k distance. I dropped below his line of sight going over a ridge, then did a pitch-back on him. Made one HO on him where I pinged him and he pinged me (no damage to me). The I repeated the pitch-back and caught him in a second HO (he should have learned on the first pass). I tore him up, but he didn't disintegrate fast enough. We collided, with him blowing up and me lossing a section of my right wing. I managed to stay airborne and make it back to my base. I found it under heavy enemy attack, so I just bailed out as I passed over head (controls were pretty squirly, so I would have bailed anyway, regardless of enemy). I'm most happy with the Mossie. Thanks HTC!
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I can say this about the mossie..
I (f6f) have never brake turned so hard as i did last night when i had one booming on my six, fast. He managed to mangle me with a tracking shot. :eek:
Hell i dont even like having them at a steady 1k behind me, with all those guns even a blind burst can hit you.
flying the F6F being as tough as it is, i normaly dont mind a few pings, but when its a mossie shooting at you there is not such thing as a "few ping" :mad: hehe
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The most dangerous 'Mozzie' is the one you don't see. The late comer to the fight might get you easy enough, but in a 1v1 fight it's going to lose (unless you're inept).
The La7 can flatfoot it away from a Moss. In the vertical, nearly any fighter can take it. If, you catch one low, you may not even have to fire your guns! :) They do have some wicked stall and departure characeristics.
BUT, for taking home fighter perks, it cannot be beat.
I think these things should travel in packs of 12-24. I found a group of four one night. They didn't fight as a team, and they should have, so they all died as individuals. Given the weave ability of this plane, a large group of team players could rake up some kills.
Just a thought...
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I've been flying the mossie for the last couple days and It's a fun ride...BUT...it's not a fighter. I don't claim to be a great stick but I'm not a total zero...well almost not :). Now my propensity to stay low and T&B isn't exactly a recipe for survival...but I usually manager my fights reasonably well.
I got bounced by a jug while heading out for some train and truck hunting and was suprised how badly I/it did. I reversed into him almost level (he was closing thru 4.5 as I low yoyo'd back into him...to the merge Hi to low...went thru 2-3 loops and followed him as he extended to friendly ack...broke off as we closed watched him reverse...was amazed how quickly he caught up....rev again into him and he zoomed me...broke off and he caught me in scissors...2nd or 3rd hi yoyo did me in...one qucick snapshot hosed me good.
Bottom line is a Mossie can't really manage a co-e fight even with superior position unless pilot difference is pronounced...I maybe could of chopped for a long range shot in vertical but felt I had edge over jug in acc and turnrate.
Seemed like jug out accelerated me ...certainly retained E better in the vertical and outzoomed me on both merges. Also seemed to bleed less E on the lower G higher speed turns.
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Originally posted by Voss:
Given the weave ability of this plane, a large group of team players could rake up some kills.
Agreed..... and as intruder raiders they quite usually went in packs of 4 (2x2)
tried one (light) at 25k yet over "capping" fighters (not perked ones of course)?
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