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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: blitz on February 15, 2003, 05:37:51 PM
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Soldiers and Veterans:
Name Branch Other
Blalock, Dave Viet Nam Veteran, U.S.Army 1968-71, VVAW(AI),STWB
Anton Black Navy/USA 1977-84 member VVAWAI
AULET Revolution Anarchiste en Espagne 1936-1937
Bernd Lukoschik Deutsche Bundeswehr 1972-73
Bob Hanafin US Army , Vietnam 63-64 V.V.A.W.
Calle Kleiner Deutsche Bundeswehr, 1982-83 Germany
Carol Carlisle Civilian employee, U.S. Embassy, Saigon, Vietnam
Christopher Bertone USMC
Conny Renkl Deutsche Bundeswehr 1967-69 Teilnehmer am Soldatenmarsch 1984
Craig Muma US Army, 1972-75
David Owen carson U.S. Army 4/7 Inf 3rd Brigade 3 Inf. Div.
Don Broadell Capt. USMC (RESIGNED) The Truth and Nothing But the Truth. That's what your notic
Don Broadwell USMC
Ed Orleman US Marine Corps
Edwin K Lainhart US Navy 1964-68
Elam,Shraga Israel Veteran of 1967 & 1973 wars
Eyal Rozenberg Israeli Intelligence 1999-2000
Feld, Steve U.S.Army, 1983-84, Ch.10 Discharge "For the Good of the Army"
Flowers, Dean USAF Ret. Every No-Win War the US was involved in, 1950-1976
Georg Sievers PzArt., BW 1999-2000 , BRD
George Pumphrey Army 1968-70
Greg A. O'Neill Navy (70-74) Army (79-83) USA
Guillard, Joachim Deutsche Bundeswehr, 1977-79, Germany Stop den zensierten Massenmord in Irak
Herbert Polifka NVA-Gefreiter / Pionier, DDR German Democratic Republic
Holger Auerswald NVA -DDR, Nachrichten Kompanie 1181
Ingebreth Forus Infantry / Homeguard Norway
John King Air Force, United States
John L.Opperman USN (1951-1973)
John w Covey usaf
Juergen Winter German Army. Jan-Oct.2001 Veteran
Jürgen Hinrichs German Wehrmacht, WWII
Lloyd Mercer U.S.Army 1965-68
Marcus Johnson u s army
Max Renkl Reservist der Bundeswehr, 1996
Michael Behrendt Reservist der Bundeswehr, Germany (German Army Reserves)
Michael Franke Veteran NVA/Deutschland
Michael Zöpfel, Nationale Volksarmee, 1986-1989,DDR (German Democratic Republic)
Mike Ellis British Army 1984 - 1992 Gulf War Veteran
Mike King USMC/US
Moshe Yaalon Israely Army
Nichols, Ken U.S.Marine Corps, 1989-92 Gulf War Veteran; Stateless World Citizen
Nimrod Halpern Israeli Defence Forces
Peter R. Deveau United States Navy 1960 to 1964
Rizzo, John USAF, 1957-65 Anti-Vietnam War Vet
Samuel A Guillen National Guard/USA
Smith, Bryan British Army Veteran
Summers, Darnell Stephen U.S.Army,1966-70 Viet Nam Veteran; VVAW(AI)/STWB
Vietnam Veterans Against The War Anti Imperialist USA TheVets@vvawai.org
Wesley Sudbury U.S. Army
Supporter:
Name Comments
Anja Gärtner
Barbara Ellingsen
Catarina Grilo
Christian Fichtner
Claudia Hartwig-Dolter
Conny Renkl Deutsche Bundeswehr 1967-69, Teilnehmer am Soldatenmarsch 1984
Cornelia Barth Its time for the Nesara-Law to come in Order to stop this evil Regime once and for all.
Deborah-Leigh Acs every gun that is fired, every warship launched... signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. dwight d. eisenhower
DEVOS
Eldhun I SUPPORT EVERYBODY AGAINST WAR!HOPE!
G. James Anti-Vietnam War Vet, Conscientious Objector Status since1970 and PROUD OF IT
gaertner-coulibaly, brigitte
gerard Lapagesse Thanks from the bottom of my heart, guys, for this initiative attempting to restaure some of America's humanitarian ideals.Patriotism should never be limited to unanimous goose-stepping behind any flag, nor any barking general in chief. People have never been so educated and informed in history; it is about time they use their brain and individual thinking, instead of sheepishly following the first war monger who barks
Guido Vanham, MD PhD Great initiative. Please carry on.
Gärtner, Elfriede und Dieter
Hans Martin Hoff
Heinrich, Anton und Karin Wir unterstützen voll inhaltlich diesen Appell.We support this call in full content.Anton und Karin Heinrich
Ilse Mühlsteph
Ingrid Brown Anyone who has experienced war first hand will never want war again. I am very much against this projected attack on Iraq.
isabel schneider
Jacques NENO
Jean-Charles CABANEL Il n'y a pas de
Joachim Schmucker
Joana Silva
johanna schneider
Lorscheidt I would like all humans those am ready, this US president and its Oelmafia with its war adventures into the arm to fall to support!!!!! Peter Lorscheidt
Matt Leitch There was never a good war or a bad peace!
MAUDEUX Henriette j'ai 85 ans et n'ai pas de moyens informatiquesà ma disposition. J'ai connu votre appel par l'intermédiaire de ma fille (signataire égalememnt, et manifestant à Paris aujourd'hui)Je lui ai demandé de faire le nécessaire en mon nom.J'adhère complètement à votre appel ! les guerres n'ont jamais rien arrangées, seul les intérêts de toutes natures les ont déclenchées pour le grand malheur des populations .
Max Renkl Reservist der Bundeswehr, 1996
meike lu schneider
Miguel Mora de la Rosa i don´t understand why the most people don´t recognize or see the toejamty political situation in the usa. All people think about money money and beauty. :-) the most people think, if our life in here is ok, don´t think about Africa for example. Ok they think about it,but they make no action to change this world situation.bush is antichrist and nobody knows.Why more money for military when they say the world need no war. death in the name of god?How can we make this opinion to more people in the world. WE NEED ONE PERSON OR A GROUP to represent us in media etc. A visuelle person!I´m a fighter for our rights, but often it´s a war against windmills like DON QUICHOTE. Isn´t it?peacem.
Miriam Grundig
Monvoisin Come on, keep it hard !R
Natalie C. Mannering
Nicolas Pierlot
Patrik Ebbers, Dipl. social worker I heard from your campaign at the demonstration at Frankfurt Air Base a few days ago. Meanwhile I copied your internatinal call and handed it to my american neighbours here in Darmstadt. It is not much, but it is something I could do and I am very thankful for this opportunity you gave me. I also wrote a
PAUL Evelyne Tout est dit dans ce message, et c'est loin d'être devenu un
PDS Neukölln
Pecourt Stéphanie
Peter Hornschuch Jeder Krieg ist ungerecht.
Revolutionäre Linke Zella-Mehlis
rolland c No comment
salome schneider
Stoffel George
Sue Duerr yes!
Vandebeulque Nathalie
Vietnam Veterans Against The War Anti Imperialist Please put the national organization down as signers.
Vincent Robeyns
Wießler, Michael
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You forgot a column for what exactly was great about them.
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incedible.
before I shelve my civility, may I ask your point, bltz?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
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incedible.
before I shelve my civility, may I ask your point, bltz?
Sure, appreceated :)
Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points.
Regards Blitz
http://www.StopTheWarBrigade.ch
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Ok.. fair enuff.
Shall I post a list of Pro War German Nazis?
I'm a Vietnam Veteran.. and not a Communist. Does that mean my points are not valid? You've yet to add a damn thing to the salient points in the discussion going on about why we're going to Iraq.
Other than it's just cool to protest. All 60's hippyish and stuff. Smoke some doobs and eat a few tabs of acid while you were out today?
Just wondering.
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Originally posted by blitz
Sure, appreceated :)
Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points.
Regards Blitz
http://www.StopTheWarBrigade.ch
Whats up , Hang ?
Told ya these were communists.
Regards Blitz
USA is threathened by Iraq in no way.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Ok.. fair enuff.
to Iraq.
Smoke some doobs and eat a few tabs of acid while you were out today?
Just wondering.
Don't ya told ya kickin ya bellybutton out with alcohol after some war movie? That's any better?
Bet ya are a nice guy in real life and i'm sure we could have some fun together but looks like we don't fit very well if it comes to politics.
Regards Blitz
btw. This demonstration was kinda work with that wheather conditions and 10km to work slowly - and i never take drugs like cigarettes, sugar, tabs, acid or heroin or alcohol at work, just don't fits :)
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Don't ya told ya kickin ya bellybutton out with alcohol after some war movie? That's any better?
Just saw a war movie a few weeks ago. Made me physicly ill. Ruined my digestion. Gave me the shakes. Was worse than it was when I was there in person. I guess I'm not a tough as I was when I was a kid.
I'm about as anti-war as a human can be.. from personal experience. But, the world is not an ideal place, and there are worse things than war. Auschwitz, Treblinka.. So, I'm not in the 'peace at any price' crowd either. Are you?
War is Diplomacys pure form.
We're about to demonstrate what happens when you fail at lesser forms of Diplomacy.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Just saw a war movie a few weeks ago. Made me physicly ill. Ruined my digestion. Gave me the shakes. Was worse than it was when I was there in person. I guess I'm not a tough as I was when I was a kid.
I'm about as anti-war as a human can be.. from personal experience. But, the world is not an ideal place, and there are worse things than war. Auschwitz, Treblinka.. So, I'm not in the 'peace at any price' crowd either. Are you?
War is Diplomacys pure form.
We're about to demonstrate what happens when you fail at lesser forms of Diplomacy.
No, i'm not. Was never a pacifist and doubt i'll be for some time.
But, can't see no Treblinka nor Auschwitz at iraq nor a threat to the USA. What i believe to see is just some power policy. was called 'Kanonenbootpolitik' in former times.
I hate that and i hate it even more if it tries to hide as a fight for democrazy and human rights.
Regards Blitz
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But, can't see no Treblinka nor Auschwitz at iraq nor a threat to the USA. What i believe to see is just some power policy.
Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..
I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.
Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?
This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.
This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.
It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.
Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.
If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..
I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.
Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?
This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.
This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.
It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.
Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.
If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
Sorry , can't.
You might want to see 'Bowling for Columbine' if that film is shown in America at all. It's an american documentation, american author, realized with american bucks.
Looks like your administration wants ya to life in fear, a terrorist behind every corner, be alert, get some water and some food in case the evil hordes are comin- don't forget your gasmask...
It's just plain redicuolous.
Damn what's about the war on drugs? Why ya lost it?
Defence minister will target american car industry next because 10 thousands of people die every year on car accidents?
Or alcohol industry because most of these accidents are caused of drunk people?
Regards Blitz
USA isn't theathened by Iraq in any way, it's redicuoous.
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Blitz.. you come back with a documentary on the war on drugs?
What are you going to haul out next to prove that we are not threatened by Iraq.. Greenpeace?
Go away.. sorry I tried to reason with you.. reason is beyond your mental capacity.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
Originally posted by blitz
You might want to see 'Bowling for Columbine' if that film is shown in America at all. It's an american documentation, american author, realized with american bucks.
Case in point...
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Blitz.. you come back with a documentary on the war on drugs?
What are you going to haul out next to prove that we are not threatened by Iraq.. Greenpeace?
Go away.. sorry I tried to reason with you.. reason is beyond your mental capacity.
Ask some police men in your city about the war on drugs and tell me his answer.
What's wrong with Greenpeace other than special french forces killed 1 innocent greenpeace photograph in Auckland harbour when they sunk 'Rainbow Warriour'?
Regards Blitz
America isn't threathened by Iraq in any way
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Blitz.. to defend your views on Iraq you dig in yer bag and pull out:
Communists
Vietnam vets without dicks
Columbine
The War on Drugs
I figured Greenpeace would be next.. guess what?
What's wrong with Greenpeace other than special french forces killed 1 innocent greenpeace photograph in Auckland harbour when they sunk 'Rainbow Warriour'?
What part of 'Go Away" escaped your comprehension?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..
I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.
Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?
This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.
This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.
It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.
Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.
If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
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Hang:
For a while now I have been on the ledge, so to speak, about war with Iraq. It may seem silly, but you have actually clarified here in (the above post) what I didn't get. I now understand. It sucks, but it must be done.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Blitz.. to defend your views on Iraq you dig in yer bag and pull out:
Communists
Vietnam vets without dicks
Columbine
The War on Drugs
I figured Greenpeace would be next.. guess what?
What part of 'Go Away" escaped your comprehension?
You'll make me sorry hang.
Communists youre referring to just as vietnam vets were ya friends in vietnam, they've seen the same toejam as you, they just came to a different conclusion that's all.
'Bowling for Columbine' ? Not the 'Movie of the Century' but interesting. Try it my friend if ya could stand that.
Regards Blitz
Iraq is threathening America in no way, it's just plain rediculous.
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Once again blitz is saying communism is a good thing. May you be cursed by the souls of hundreds of millions of victims of communist tyranny.
diddly You Blitz!
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A German lecturing Americans on Freedom and War???
That'll be the f*king day......
I think Michael Moore is Socialist amazinhunk and i couldn't care less what his opinion is on ANYTHING. And that goes for you too, Blitz....
Cabby
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Originally posted by Cabby44
A German lecturing Americans on Freedom and War???
That'll be the f*king day......
I think Michael Moore is Socialist amazinhunk and i couldn't care less what his opinion is on ANYTHING. And that goes for you too, Blitz....
Cabby
Regards Blitz
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<<< Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points. >>>
Valid points because they agree with you?
I can't seem to remember huge peace rallys in European capiltals when the USSR invaded Afganistan. These peace rallys are 75% anti-America rallys.
ra
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Originally posted by ra
<<< Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points. >>>
Valid points because they agree with you?
I can't seem to remember huge peace rallys in European capiltals when the USSR invaded Afganistan. These peace rallys are 75% anti-America rallys.
ra
Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?
Regards Blitz
America isn't threathened by Iraq in any way , it's just plain
rediculous.
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"Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?"
This just a 'FYI', type post - interesting story type post. Actually arguing that communism (as seen in real life) is evil is like having to argue that smoking is bad for you...you constantly find yourself saying 'am I really having to be serious about this?'. :)
I've spent alot of time in the 'windward isles'/'The Grenadines' - Grenada, St. Vincent, Beqay, etc. I was working there when I was there, and in very close contact with the local populace.
My fellow Americans will be glad to know that those people *love* the U.S.A. I had a middle-aged Mother say to me (in St. Vincent, about 20 min. outside the capital) "We were so scared...that the Cubans and their communists would come here from Grenada, and the American soldiers came and stopped them I was so relieved!"
I've been to the airfield that was being constructed on Grenada, years after the invasion in '83 (I had nothing to do with the invasion, I was still in H.S.).
One of my favorites about the invasion of Grenada. A (communist) democratic congressman was arguing against U.S. intervention. He sent a 'fact finding' mission to Grenada. After the invasion, we captured documents explaining that the head of the 'fact finding mission' briefed the head of the Cuban backed communist forces along the following lines:
"Here is a copy of what we will present to the U.S. congress. The Congressman wants you to know if you think any changes need to be made, just tell us and we'll make them".
A very detailed overview of the invasion of Grenada and the attempt of blatantly communist and anti-U.S. *American politicians* to thwart such an invasion can be found in David Horowitz' book (I can't recall the title but if you find a paper called 'Another Low Dishonest Decade on the Left' by Horowitz the story is in there as well).
Blitz, I'd like to see some documentation - DOB, SSN, etc. of those 'communist U.S. veterans' - I'll bet good money a decent % of them are claming service in the military that they cannot lay claim to.
"Tell papa Stalin there has been a mistake! We aren't getting any food! Tell him we are starving he must find out!"
- from a peasant farmer's Wife to Josef Stalin's Wife at a train station in the Ukraine in the 1920s
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by wulfie
"Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?"
This just a 'FYI', type post - interesting story type post. Actually arguing that communism (as seen in real life) is evil is like having to argue that smoking is bad for you...you constantly find yourself saying 'am I really having to be serious about this?'. :)
I've spent alot of time in the 'windward isles'/'The Grenadines' - Grenada, St. Vincent, Beqay, etc. I was working there when I was there, and in very close contact with the local populace.
My fellow Americans will be glad to know that those people *love* the U.S.A. I had a middle-aged Mother say to me (in St. Vincent, about 20 min. outside the capital) "We were so scared...that the Cubans and their communists would come here from Grenada, and the American soldiers came and stopped them I was so relieved!"
I've been to the airfield that was being constructed on Grenada, years after the invasion in '83 (I had nothing to do with the invasion, I was still in H.S.).
One of my favorites about the invasion of Grenada. A (communist) democratic congressman was arguing against U.S. intervention. He sent a 'fact finding' mission to Grenada. After the invasion, we captured documents explaining that the head of the 'fact finding mission' briefed the head of the Cuban backed communist forces along the following lines:
"Here is a copy of what we will present to the U.S. congress. The Congressman wants you to know if you think any changes need to be made, just tell us and we'll make them".
A very detailed overview of the invasion of Grenada and the attempt of blatantly communist and anti-U.S. *American politicians* to thwart such an invasion can be found in David Horowitz' book (I can't recall the title but if you find a paper called 'Another Low Dishonest Decade on the Left' by Horowitz the story is in there as well).
Blitz, I'd like to see some documentation - DOB, SSN, etc. of those 'communist U.S. veterans' - I'll bet good money a decent % of them are claming service in the military that they cannot lay claim to.
"Tell papa Stalin there has been a mistake! We aren't getting any food! Tell him we are starving he must find out!"
- from a peasant farmer's Wife to Josef Stalin's Wife at a train station in the Ukraine in the 1920s
Mike/wulfie
Don't ya went nuts wulfie!
I was at Cuba as a tourist at the very same time and i asure ya Cuba had no plans in invading Grenada but planing invading the whole USA.
Great ya folks kicked that commies asses. Feel saver now.
Regards Blitz
America is threathened by Iraq in no way.
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Originally posted by blitz
Don't ya went nuts wulfie!
I was at Cuba as a tourist at the very same time and i asure ya Cuba had no plans in invading Grenada but planing invading the whole USA.
Great ya folks kicked that commies asses. Feel saver now.
Regards Blitz
America is threathened by Iraq in no way.
As a tourist?
Then why would you know of Cuban military advisors, backing the communist forces in Grenada?
Why would you know of the Cuban supplied weapons?
Why would you know of the captured documents proving even more conclusively (I say more conclusively because the *only* reason for an airfield in Grenada that big - one being designed and built by Cuban engineers mind you - was for the support of Soviet bomber operations) that the airfield being constructed in Grenada was to be used for Soviet bombers (Cuba being a good servant of the Supreme Soviet and all).
This is no 'what if' - Cuban military advisors killed in the invasion (fighting U.S. troops) were returned to Cuba for military burial. Crates of weapons and ammunition - from Cuba (IDd by blatant stenciling) were captured in Grenada.
And where is your 'proof', or the 'proof' of your fellow demonstrators that Iraq is no threat to the U.S. Threat to the U.S.? They're a threat to Israel, the U.S., the 'free' world in general and the world economy.
The U.S. has better things to do that spend billions of U.S. dollars and put it's military personnel at risk deposing governments that are no theat. Do you really, honestly believe that this is all some 'war for oil' underhanded scheme by the U.S. government?
If Iraq was 'no threat', then why in the hell did 1441 not get attacked at inception by every member of the U.N. except the U.S.?
Mike/wulfie
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It's amazing how good the Communist propaganda machine was. It's been dead for 12 years and people are still hypnotized by it.
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Yep they were very good at fooling naive childish simpletons like blitz. But I'm still amazed how the people fell for it - I mean how on earth did they, like blitz, accept the idea that communism was good when they saw the communist put up the berlin wall in 1961, and even before that block food shipments to berlin in 1948. That a berliner today thinks communism and communist leaders are a good idea is profound testiment to the power of comminist brainwashing.
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I was a little communist pioneer, had a red bandana, blue hat and this cool little red and gold enameled Star. They had us singing political propaganda songs in third grade.
But yes my hatred of communism certainly has its roots in the fact that I'm from a communist sytem and have been able to see the vast diference from that to the USA.
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It's starting to look more and more that America, faced with a new and invisible threat, desperately tries to find a target to respond to. It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one.
Iraq will be the first victim on the way.. After that it's more than likely that Al-Qaeda will launch a new large attack to revenge the deaths of thier brothers-of-religion.
What then? We've rooted out afghanistan and Iraq.. It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan where Al-Qaeda refugees from afghanistan most probably reside at the moment, despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation.
Only trouble is, Paki's have nukes..
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's starting to look more and more that America, faced with a new and invisible threat, desperately tries to find a target to respond to. It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one.
Iraq will be the first victim on the way.. After that it's more than likely that Al-Qaeda will launch a new large attack to revenge the deaths of thier brothers-of-religion.
What then? We've rooted out afghanistan and Iraq.. It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan where Al-Qaeda refugees from afghanistan most probably reside at the moment, despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation.
Only trouble is, Paki's have nukes..
"desperately tries to find a target to respond to"
Yeah, no threats have been responded too. You know this because it hasn't been reported on CNN.
"It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one."
Yeah, every single terrorist that has been captured or killed is listed on Barbara Walter's website, along with the U.S. (and U.K., and German, and French) military units involved in said action.
"despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation."
Since 9/11/01, more Pakistani intelligence officers have been killed while trying to capture/kill/gather information on Al-Q than every other Nation's intelligence services combined. Often times they aren't given funerals as their own families have disowned them (for 'betraying' Islam). Pakistan is an easy media target. Don't believe everything you hear about them on NBC nightly news. Here's a hint - when you see some vague report stating 'suspected terrorist captured after gun battle on Pakistani border, 2 agents killed and 4 wounded', the 2 and the 4 are (usually) Pakistani military and/or intelligence types.
Pakistani CT, intel, and military types hate people that make a living out of blowing up women and children like everyone else's CT, intel, and military types.
Mike/wulfie
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"It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan"
The big problem here is that there is no authority there, even Pakistani authority. It's a multi-tribal area that a political border was crudely 'drawn through'. If you have $$$ and can blend in visually and linguistically, you're very tough to find there. Think along the lines of trying to root out Sicilian mobsters living in Little Italy, New York with 2 weeks of prep time and no agents-in-place.
However, they have to leave that area to do anything 'bad', and no small # of them have been caught when trying to leave said area.
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by wulfie
Since 9/11/01, more Pakistani intelligence officers have been killed while trying to capture/kill/gather information on Al-Q than every other Nation's intelligence services combined. Often times they aren't given funerals as their own families have disowned them (for 'betraying' Islam). Pakistan is an easy media target. Don't believe everything you hear about them on NBC nightly news. Here's a hint - when you see some vague report stating 'suspected terrorist captured after gun battle on Pakistani border, 2 agents killed and 4 wounded', the 2 and the 4 are (usually) Pakistani military and/or intelligence types.
It's more than just funny :)
poor little pakish got killed by former friends ... :eek: :eek: those AlQ guys are naughty !
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's starting to look more and more that America, faced with a new and invisible threat, desperately tries to find a target to respond to. It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one.
Iraq will be the first victim on the way.. After that it's more than likely that Al-Qaeda will launch a new large attack to revenge the deaths of thier brothers-of-religion.
What then? We've rooted out afghanistan and Iraq.. It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan where Al-Qaeda refugees from afghanistan most probably reside at the moment, despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation.
Only trouble is, Paki's have nukes..
Yea...the imminent attack of Iraq is a "knee-jerk" response by the US for 9/11. I've heard this over and over, ad nauseum. By my calculation it is February 2003...a year and a half AFTER 9/11.
Iraq is a threat to the US and many other countries in the Mid-East. A war was fought against them in 1991. Iraq was SUPPOSED to have disarmed, but more and more evidence has shown that they are in material breach of the UN mandated peace after the Gulf War.
The UN isn't doing anything about it...other than allowing their weapons inspectors to be led about the country on wild goose chases purposly set up by the Iraqi government.
So, thank goodness the US is going to step in and do what the UN should have recommended doing for the past 12 YEARS - force Sadaam to disarm.
What then, you ask? North Korea springs to mind. Yup, they are next. Then when they are dealt with it will be time to look at Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen etc etc.
Time to clean up all of the toejam holes around the earth. Just be patient...their time will come.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep they were very good at fooling naive childish simpletons like blitz. But I'm still amazed how the people fell for it - I mean how on earth did they, like blitz, accept the idea that communism was good when they saw the communist put up the berlin wall in 1961, and even before that block food shipments to berlin in 1948. That a berliner today thinks communism and communist leaders are a good idea is profound testiment to the power of comminist brainwashing.
Just for ya information.
I was never a communist nor even a friend of communism.
I hate the crimes that was done in the name of it just like i hate the crimes that that was done in the name of freedom from the free west.
Regards Blitz
America isn't threathened by Iraq in any way, it's just plain rediculous.
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BS blitz. You said on this BBS that you thought Che Guevara and Fidel Castro were good guys and that communism is a good idea. And look at this thread itself.
You will not succeed in distancing yourself from those awful attitides and statements.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS blitz. You said on this BBS that you thought Che Guevara and Fidel Castro were good guys and that communism is a good idea. And look at this thread itself.
You will not succeed in distancing yourself from those awful attitides and statements.
Sure communism was a great idea, there's no doubt about.
Sad thing is, it failed bigtime long before i was born and will ever fail because of many reasons but the most important error was, it assumes that people are good by nature and that is BS.
Nevertheless it was a great idea .
Regards Blitz
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You just dont get it do you... Communism is the worst idea ever because it opresses the best people - the driven, the intelligent, the free thinkers, the artists, the hard working, the independeant, the risk takers the individualists.
You are truly foolish if you think communism is a good thing.
And it does not assume that people are good. In fact it assumes that people are bad - thats why it takes all decision making away from individuals and limits their free choiches because communists think average people are bad and cannot govern their lives and finances and provide for themselves.
Where do you get these rediculous ideas?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You just dont get it do you... Communism is the worst idea ever because it opresses the best people - the driven, the intelligent, the free thinkers, the artists, the hard working, the independeant, the risk takers the individualists.
You are truly foolish if you think communism is a good thing.
And it does not assume that people are good. In fact it assumes that people are bad - thats why it takes all decision making away from individuals and limits their free choiches because communists think average people are bad and cannot govern their lives and finances and provide for themselves.
Where do you get these rediculous ideas?
Quote by blitz
Sure communism was a great idea, there's no doubt about.
Sad thing is, it failed bigtime long before i was born and will ever fail because of many reasons but the most important error was, it assumes that people are good by nature and that is BS.
Nevertheless it was a great idea .
Regards Blitz Quote
The idea of communism is paradise on earth, all people equal, no suppression, just plain fun. This is a nice idea in my eyes although it's nonsence.
Regards Blitz
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blitz... you never did say.... what is "great" about em? I think they fall into the same catagory as "bowling for columbine"... The movie was widely distributed but played to empty houses because the autor, michael moore is a lying buffoon... if you don't have a chip on your shoulder or if you aren't simply uninfored or if you aren't criminaly naive... the movie will hold no interest for you... It is a big lie.... just like communism.
The reason communism failed is because it is human nature to expect to be rewarded for hard work and human nature to resent people who take advantage of you.
lazs
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How do you have all people be equal if ALL ecomomic decision making is concentrated in one small group of communist party beurocrats? Do you expect them to live and suffer equally to that of siberian peasants?
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Originally posted by lazs2
blitz... you never did say.... what is "great" about em? Quote
Sorry, didn't get that. About whom?
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How do you have all people be equal if ALL ecomomic decision making is concentrated in one small group of communist party beurocrats? Do you expect them to live and suffer equally to that of siberian peasants?
You are really silly Gruen.
I don't need to explain to you how it might could have worked because i HATE communism , you ignorant bonehead.
Regards Blitz
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Blitz what with the multiple personality thing you got going on??
Lets see this is usually how it goes...
Blitz #1:
Communism is the gee golly most bestest thing ever.
GRUNHERZ:
Blitz you tard communsim is evil.
Blitz #2:
Yes grun I hate communism.
GRUNHERZ:
But you just said you wanna have Che Guevara's baby.
Blitz #1:
Yes of course Che was a great leader, so dreamy. And oh that Castro - my hero.
GRUNHERZ:
But blitz, Che and Castro are viscious muderes.
Blitz #2:
Of course they are because I hate communists.
GRUNHERZ:
:confused:
And so on
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This is Blitzs hero, go on tell everyone who he is.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Blitz what with the multiple personality thing you got going on??
Lets see this is usually how it goes...
Blitz #1:
Communism is the gee golly most bestest thing ever.
GRUNHERZ:
Blitz you tard communsim is evil.
Blitz #2:
Yes grun I hate communism.
GRUNHERZ:
But you just said you wanna have Che Guevara's baby.
Blitz #1:
Yes of course Che was a great leader, so dreamy. And oh that Castro - my hero.
GRUNHERZ:
But blitz, Che and Castro are viscious muderes.
Blitz #2:
Of course they are because I hate communists.
GRUNHERZ:
:confused:
And so on
He,he Gruen, give quote not that lame BS, than we can talk :D
Regards Blitz
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I got the spirit of it blitz....
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Originally posted by Monk
This is Blitzs hero, go on tell everyone who he is.
That's Otto :D
Otto Schily, german Innenminister.
Don't like him as he seems to be a carreer type of politician in the first place.
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by blitz
That's Otto :D
Otto Schily, german Innenminister.
Don't like him as he seems to be a carreer type of politician in the first place.
Regards Blitz
btw. for that ya want me to do to demask myself Joschka Fisher as the Minister of Foreign Affairs fits much better.
He joined many demonstrations when he was young, hell even bashed up some policemen.
Later RAF terrorists just lived 1 floor down at his place.
Liked him when he started as minister, not sure about him now.
Plse post the pictures showin him as a demonstrant with helmet on, monk.
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HeHe Grun... that was pretty funny. And yea, I'm a dirty communist too! :eek:
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Oh my god, now you are saying you thought Joschcka Fischer was cool because he was living with Red Army Faction communist German terrorits - people who kidnapped and murdered and terrorized all over europe....
Blitz are you insane?
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Originally posted by Urchin
HeHe Grun... that was pretty funny. And yea, I'm a dirty communist too! :eek:
Not if I can help it. :) Ok Urchin assignemnt due you have had enough time to refute my points in our previous discussion lets see it. :D
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Of course he left out that Shily is the Innenminister or Justiceminister, defended terror activies in the 70s even going on to defend a RAF terrorist, the same Terrorist that killed US citizens. I'm starting to see a link here between Germany, Iraq and maybe the 9/11 terrorist from Hamburg-Harburg.
......makes you wonder.
here is Germany Sec. of State
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh my god, now you are saying you thought Joschcka Fischer was cool because he was living with Red Army Faction communist German terrorits - people who kidnapped and murdered and terrorized all over europe....
Blitz are you insane?
Thats exactly how you juge about people, Gruen.
A guys who nearly fell in love with Madeleine Albright will never be cool in my eyes.
He's just 1 of these politicians although very smart and with some charisma ( that's why Madeleine loved him so much)
Regards Blitz
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You just changed your mind in a matter of 3 mins.
Another reason why you can't Germans seriously.
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I dont understand blitz, you are saying it's appropriate to judge a person positively if he lived with communist murderers and terorists?
I thought you hated communists?
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Originally posted by Monk
Of course he left out that Shily is the Innenminister or Justiceminister, defended terror activies in the 70s even going on to defend a RAF terrorist, the same Terrorist that killed US citizens. I'm starting to see a link here between Germany, Iraq and maybe the 9/11 terrorist from Hamburg-Harburg.
......makes you wonder.
here is Germany Sec. of State
Nah monk, i just thought Joschka Fischer is much more interesting for us and ya pictures shows that :D
He's just livin the american dream: From former taxi driver to Minister of Foreign Affairs, bet he will be the chief some day ( after leavin his green party and jumpin on SPD party train)
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by blitz
He's just livin the american dream: From former taxi driver to Minister of Foreign Affairs, bet he will be the chief some day ( after leavin his green party and jumpin on SPD party train)
Nope, the SPD, and Greenie Gut mensch, are history next Election.
Unless Joschka jumps on the CDU/CSU band wagon, witch would not surprise me.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I dont understand blitz, you are saying it's appropriate to judge a person positively if he lived with communist murderers and terorists?
I thought you hated communists?
Sorry, i didn't said he lived with terrorists, i said later RAF terrorists lived 1 floor down.
Believe me, german yellow press tried best they could to accuse him bein a terrorist lover and supporter, but failed bigtime.
Regards Blitz
America is threathened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous.
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Originally posted by Monk
Unless Joschka jumps on the CDU/CSU band wagon, witch would not surprise me. [/B]
Not impossible but don't think so.
Regards Blitz
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But still you thought it was cool he lived around communist terrorists. Guess were at the Blitz #1 stage now...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But still you thought it was cool he lived around communist terrorists. Guess were at the Blitz #1 stage now...
We not Gruen, monk oppened a little trapp for me and that was the bait to hook him. Worked beautifully, same with you, thank ya guys :D
Regards Blitz
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Yea good job! The part where you admit you thought your german foreign minister was cool for living with communist terrorists and murderers was sheer brilliance...
You are such a nutcase it's unbelivable - and you're even proud of it...
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Dude, I was going to post your studmuffingot bellybutton Minister anyways.
I'm telling ya, leave the Germans alone, ya can't take them serious. They haven't a clue what they are doing now.
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Originally posted by Monk
Dude, I was going to post your studmuffingot bellybutton Minister anyways.
I'm telling ya, leave the Germans alone, ya can't take them serious. They haven't a clue what they are doing now.
If ya talkin about german government
[/B][/QUOTE] They haven't a clue what they are doing now. [/B][/QUOTE]
i bet youre damn right with that statement.
Regards Blitz
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Leave Mr. Fisher alone. U are living with an ex alcoholic psychotic president so whats ur point here?
U wonna say men cant change?
Blitz weiter so!
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Ya I'm talking about the Govt.
I know quite a few Germans, and the don't think like thier Govt.
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Originally posted by Duedel
Leave Mr. Fisher alone. U are living with an ex alholic psychotic president so whats ur point here?
U wonna say men cant change?
It was cool the way he almost peed on himself whan he tried to rebuk Rumsfeld at the Sicherheits Konference.
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hehehe...someone mention Greenpeace?
So, ya think they are beliveable?
What an ignorant putz!
They use lies, deception and tweeked science so well that Dubyas considering using them to model his office of misinformation after them!
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Originally posted by MrLars
hehehe...someone mention Greenpeace?
So, ya think they are beliveable?
What an ignorant putz!
They use lies, deception and tweeked science so well that Dubyas considering using them to model his office of misinformation after them!
?
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by straffo
It's more than just funny :)
poor little pakish got killed by former friends ... :eek: :eek: those AlQ guys are naughty !
So what you are telling me is that because some mid-level management in Pakistan's intelligence and sercurity services had connections to Afghan warlords (before 9/11/01, some of these warlords fought for the Northern Alliance and some fought for ATF after 9/11/01), and because these individuals were 'purged' from Pakistan's intelligence and security services shortly after 9/11/01, that every single Pakistani intelligence/CT/etc. operator is a 'former friend of the Taliban'?
That's kind of like me saying that every French citizen is as evil, greedily blind, and gutless as their elected officials. That's the opposite of what I've been saying on the AH BBS.
And they've been doing a heck of alot more to try and improve the situation than you. And I've met a couple of them before they were killed. And your 'glib' reply...is what I'd expect from you.
Let me know when you visit Pakistan, I'll arrange some tour guides for you.
Respectfully Yours,
Mike/wulfie
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That's kind of like me saying that every French citizen is as evil, greedily blind, and gutless as their elected officials.
Hows that again?
That's kind of like me saying that every French citizen is as evil, greedily blind, and gutless as their elected officials.
Ah yes. But I coulda swore somebody said it...
'say what?' you say?
That's kind of like me saying that every French citizen is as evil, greedily blind, and gutless as their elected officials.[/i]
yah know, I think that looks better bold AND italicized.
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Originally posted by blitz
Sorry, i didn't said he lived with terrorists, i said later RAF terrorists lived 1 floor down.
Believe me, german yellow press tried best they could to accuse him bein a terrorist lover and supporter, but failed bigtime.
is this the same guy (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-pacepa021403.asp)
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Originally posted by wulfie
So what you are telling me is that because some mid-level management in Pakistan's intelligence and sercurity services had connections to Afghan warlords (before 9/11/01, some of these warlords fought for the Northern Alliance and some fought for ATF after 9/11/01), and because these individuals were 'purged' from Pakistan's intelligence and security services shortly after 9/11/01, that every single Pakistani intelligence/CT/etc. operator is a 'former friend of the Taliban'?
That's kind of like me saying that every French citizen is as evil, greedily blind, and gutless as their elected officials. That's the opposite of what I've been saying on the AH BBS.
you don't say that I agree
but some in this BBS keep saying BS
And they've been doing a heck of alot more to try and improve the situation than you. And I've met a couple of them before they were killed.
I'm the 1st to admit that in each country there is good and bad apple (my country included)
But they started a bit late don't you think ?
And your 'glib' reply...is what I'd expect from you.
bahh ... I'm so pissed don't expect me to react rationaly
Let me know when you visit Pakistan, I'll arrange some tour guides for you.
I've enought Pakistani friend to make a nice trip no need for a definitive trip :D
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Like Americans germans are indviduals with different opinions, so don't jump on germans in general.
Monk: even though I share you opinion on Fisher, I am sure we could find quiet similar career examples in the US.
And I disagree on your opinion about Schily.
Blitz: Still don't get what your intention was on putting up that thread ??.
But I haven't seen such BS in a long time. born And raised in the western part of Berlin, I can't see anything good about communism ever. Reading your statements in this thread I just don'T believe you saying you are NO communist.
In the way you acting here, you remind me pretty much on our chanzler. If possible switch on your brain, if not just shut up.
regards
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blitz... you said "great Americans" and then gave a list of names but you failed to say what was "great" about em.
lazs
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Just to sum up what Blitz said earlier in the thread about Communism, I agree 100% with his assessment, that being...
"Communism is like my golf game, works in theory, not in practice" ;)
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Ahoi,
tell ya somethin: The girl i live with for 20 years now got an older brother.
He was a functionary in the DKP (Deutsche Kommunistische Partei= westgerman arm of east german SED (Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschland = Red Socks) for many years.
He's a nice guy and once a year we met when he was visiting his sister.
When we were doin cultural things together everything was ok, but there was no way to avoid the collision the very first evin every time when he starts praisin The DDR, Soviet Union and communism in general.
Normaly he went away a bit earlier then he intended, mad on me ;)
When people of Rumania got rid of Nicoly Ceaucescau he at least had enough of that watermelon and left his party after about 15 years of heavy work :D
Regards Blitz
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I'm confused
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Originally posted by maik
[Blitz: Still don't get what your intention was on putting up that thread ??.
Regards [/B]
Würdeste eh nich verstehen, Pappnase :D
Regards Blitz
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DAS glaub ich Dir sogar.:rolleyes:
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LOL
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Dude, he called you a Pappnase;)
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Blitz?? he's a peifspatz.
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My wife grew up in a communist country.. called USSR back then and I am sad err happy to say that communism DOES NOT WORK. This is speaking from someone whos family was part of the SOviet NAVY and granparents high ranking officals in the Communist Party.
Now, if any of you have taken college level classes on political philosphy and open your minds and read between the lines rather then beeing stubborn and refusing. The following will be realized.
A PURE communism/socialism DOES NOT AND WILL NOT WORK.
A PURE Democracy/Capitalism DOES NOT AND WILL NOT WORK.
In our wonderful USA of . God bless America.. there are many signs of Communism that exist in the governments.
My wife points out many things that reflect Democracy/capitalism existed back in the USSR.
SO if you mix the two together, the best idea of each, you would have a very effective government. But then again, its all Theory!
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Blitz, shouldnt you be concerned over the increasingly severe economic condition in your country? If I were you, I would focus my effort on curing the domestic problems in my country rather than critisizing the foriegn policy of another state 7000 miles away.
Im sure if you watch the TV long enough, youll see an upstanding citizen holding this sign:
"Will protest for food!"
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Blitz, shouldnt you be concerned over the increasingly severe economic condition in your country? If I were you, I would focus my effort on curing the domestic problems in my country rather than critisizing the foriegn policy of another state 7000 miles away.
Im sure if you watch the TV long enough, youll see an upstanding citizen holding this sign:
"Will protest for food!"
Can we say 9-11. Case closed.;)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Blitz, shouldnt you be concerned over the increasingly severe economic condition in your country?
I am. (And i don't blame America for it.)
[/B][/QUOTE] If I were you, I would focus my effort on curing the domestic problems in my country rather than critisizing the foriegn policy of another state 7000 miles away. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are not me. I don't like that : " We are the last Superpower, we can do what we want" attitude.
Regards Blitz
America is threathened by Iraq in no way , it's just plain rediculous