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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Russ on June 13, 2000, 03:20:00 PM
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I just installed the new vidio card from 3DFX
and i can only think of a few words to describe it. DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNN THIS IS GREAAAAAAATT!!!
Its worth the $299 price tag.
Smooth lines, Crisp clean colors and FR in the 70,s at 1029 res.
Heck i can see the tank drivers scream when i drop on them in the typhoon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If ya got the means GET IT!!!
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Heh I wish I had spare $299 to spend now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ohh well, I'll be building new system at the end of the summer, hopefully then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
mx22
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70 Fps... man you haven't seen anything yet! Turn that FSAA on!
Can you get 4X FSAA to work without any hassles? Others have reported some "issues" with FSAA running. A squad mate tested at about 40 FPS at 4X FSAA though, so if the graphical anomalies get sorted out with drivers I'm buying one.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs
Visit Lephturn's Aerodrome for AH news, resources, and training data.
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(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"MY P-47 is a pretty good ship
And she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip
I was thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip
Always got me through so far
Well they can ship me all over this great big world
But I'll never find nothing like my North End girl
I'm taking her home with me one day, sir
Soon as we win this war"
- Steve Earl
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Im Running 2xfsaa at 70+ in 4xfsaa it runs 45 to 60. The Card is just awsum!
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check the article on it in SIMHQ by Dan Crenshaw
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you've got a kickass card, but what kind of MB and CPU are you runnning...
i'm in dire need of upgrading so i'm curious as to what kind of CPU i want to get next...
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Got a PIII 733, 133mhz MB, 128 MB 133mhz, Geoforce DDR on the way... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Does it support 32 bit color?
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Yeah pyro. Basically, it is the speed of 2 V3 3500s, SLI'd together, but it supports 32 bit color and large textures. Since its framerate is so large it can perform anti-ailaising to make the picture look better..
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I hate to do this to this thread, but the 700K worth of files really show the Voodoo5 off. These are both taken at 1024 32 bit.
Here's the V5500 without FSAA-
(http://ckremer.home.mindspring.com/2.bmp)
Hers the V5500 WITH FSAA-
(http://ckremer.home.mindspring.com/1.bmp)
My Celery 300A O/C to 450 acts up pretty bad in Aces High with the FSAA, but overall the graphics ARE stunning. Im getting huge framerates, and the whole sim is much better.
NCR3 has to be seen, and AH really looks DIFFRENT.
Time for a 600E Coppermine to O/C to 790mhz- With 1.3..can't wait.
Funny thing is, the new GeForce GTS's beat the Voodoo5 by 20 FPS in tests. Wonder if they look as sweet?
[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 06-14-2000).]
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Frame rates are FAR lower with Athlons..the first drivers came out without any 3DNow optimization at all. Hopefully they will be much improved in the coming months.
I have an Athlon 500 and am not anywhere close to the FRs above (taking into account clock speed differences too)...4x looks like it will be unplayable, but boy, 2x is sweet.
The FSAA seems to correct a lot of the AH terrain shimmer.
Anyway, it was an upgrade from a Banshee, so I think I'll finally start playing AH seriously :-)
[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 06-14-2000).]
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Ok these new cards have really gotten my attention,
The question I have is about this AGP 1x 2x 3x 4x thingy. What exactly does it mean and how do I tell if my motherboard supports it.
My current system is Abit BX-6r2 with Celron 300a@450 mhz. 128 meg pc 100 ram and Viper 550. Can I use all the bells and whistles with these new boards?
Sharky
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Playboy Leader
307th FS/31st FG
You can run but ya just die tired
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Sharky,
I think your current BX based board will only do 2X AGP. Currently however, most video cards are not limited by the AGP bus speed, so tests I have seen show only tiny improvements between 2X and 4X AGP.
Bottom line for me is FSAA. The GeForce can't do 4X FSAA with acceptable framerates, and even if it does 3DFX's implementation looks better from all the reviews I have read. If you are a quake head who needs 100 fps, a GeForce 2 is likely a better choice. For we simmers though, with a decent processor I think the V5 will run lots of our games at 4X Full Screen Anti-Aliasing. That just looks plain stunning, and the first card that can deliver 1024x768 with FSAA and playable framerates is what I'm upgrading too. The V5 5500 does FSAA best, so it's the one at the moment, but I'm waiting for the next driver cycle to see if they work the minor issues out first.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs
Visit Lephturn's Aerodrome for AH news, resources, and training data.
http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/ (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"MY P-47 is a pretty good ship
And she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip
I was thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip
Always got me through so far
Well they can ship me all over this great big world
But I'll never find nothing like my North End girl
I'm taking her home with me one day, sir
Soon as we win this war"
- Steve Earl
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I will soon have my GeoForce 2 GT with DDR; I will give a report on FSAA then. I think (based on what I have read) FSAA between the two cards will be more dependent on how the software is written than anything else (as the Voodoo and GeoForce cards take different approaches to the problem).
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Russ is in Houston till friday so I'm his answering service,
He has an 800mhz Athlon and the system runs the Voodoo quite well, he runs at 4xFSAA in the game.
For flight sims there is no other card to choose from for this level of graphics and here is where the FSAA was ment to be, all those who said the full screen anti alliasing didn't matter don't fly Aces High and will miss 1.03 in all its glory.
I cancled my order when they delayed the 5500 fearing 3dfx was heading into troubled waters but after seeing the cards end results I'm getting it.
The sales results I saw today have no competition from the few buggy GTS boards sold so far, check it out your self, if you play quake and need 105 frames instead of 95 the GTS is your baby I guess.
Lastly head over to www.reactorcritical.com/cards.shtml (http://www.reactorcritical.com/cards.shtml) and you can get a 5500 for 279.00 bucks anyone find a cheaper place post it.
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Lephturn,
Thanks for the info bud. Ok here's another question, am I wasting my time plunking a V5500 in a Celron 300a@450? Am I going to be CPU limited? I understand that "all" the processing is done on the card with the newer cards (some is still done with the CPU on my Viper 550 as I understand)
Or should I get the Celron 566@800 first?
Thanks,
Sharky
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Playboy Leader
307th FS/31st FG
You can run but ya just die tired
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BTW, ALL the FSAA hype is true.
After 10 minutes of even 2x FSAA, you will not be able to tolerate any flight sim without FSAA. The jaggies will scream out at you.
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OK, I'm the "squadmate" Lephturn was talking about, I've owned a Geforce (still do, it's in my wife's machine now) and I just picked up the V5. Here's the gouge:
The Geforce (even my "old" DDR model) is faster interms of pure power... if you care only about frame rate or are a QUAKER, this (or the GTS) is the card fer you.
V5 looks SWEET. The 3Dfx implementation of FSAA (particulalry the 4X mode) just kicks the crap outta nVidias implementation, but the V5 has a few issues with AH right now:
1) terrain texture "cracking" with FSAA on... not REALLY bad, but bad enough that it bothers me.
2) Jittery textures in the cockpit and on the clipboard. Again, not a HUGE problem, but defintely annoying.
3) Frame "hiccups" at higher res (particularly with FSAA). Despite good frame rates (40+), there are occasinal momentary pauses sometimes...particularly when viewing straight up when rolling inverted. This one is actually the worst for me, sice it interruputes the visual "flow" and screws me up.
I believe these are all relatively minor problems, but I hope they are resolved SOON, because they are keeping me from thinking this is the best card ever for flight sims. There may be some minor issues with the AGP drivers on my mobo (ASUS P3V4X- Via AP 133A chipset), so I'll load the newest versions tonight.
Vila
[This message has been edited by Vila (edited 06-15-2000).]
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Yes, GeForce, not GeoForce, Kieren.
*slaps self*
Thanks to AKDejaVu for setting me straight! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I can pretty much second Vila's observations exactly.
I also tried an Elsa GTS 2 and a V5500. I used them on a P3 866 with a Abit VT6X4 motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro Chipset). The GTS 2 is about 20% faster in Q3A and has sharper textures. However, it had serious stuttering problems and texture flashing issues in AH and the FSAA implementation was not nearly as good. Furthermore, it did not work properly in sleep mode with any drivers I tried including 5.22. Consequently I kept the V5500 and returned the Elsa. I am very happy with the V5500 as it works in every game I've tried and has much sharper 2D text (for me, Nvidia's 2D text has always been fuzzy at 1280x1024).
But, like Vila said, there are still issues with the V5500 in 2x and 4x anti-aliasing. There are texture cracks as well as swimming gauges. Certain scenes, however, are perfect and anti-aliasing really does improve the image quality significantly. Unfortunately, the V5500 really does not have the fill rate needed to run games at 1024 x 728 at 4x anti-aliasing. 2x looks good though, and I am hoping that 3DFX will address the drivers soon.
xmab
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Originally posted by Vila:
There may be some minor issues with the AGP drivers on my mobo (ASUS P3V4X- Via AP 133A chipset), so I'll load the newest versions tonight.
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They just released a new driver set. I DL'd and installed them for the same MB. It doesn't correct everything, but the chipset drivers seem to free up some FPS by improving the AGP port. I think ASUS had it underclocked for stability.
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www.pricescan.com (http://www.pricescan.com)
Voodoo5 for 264 bills.
pricescan seems to be cheaper on just about anything I have ever looked for online.
-Sn1p3r
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My primary concern right now with buying a new video board lies with will it work with elsa's revelator 3d glasses. I haven't tried them yet, but I understand that the difference with the glasses is quite dramatic, providing genuine depth perception. My current board, a voodoo3 3000 won't work with the revelator so I'll need to upgrade, but, the question is, will the new voodoo board work with them?
The glasses require z-buffer support and as yet AH doesn't support it. From what I understand hitech is supporting z-buffer in AH because the these glasses. That's enough of an endorsement for me to consider them worth checking out.
CRASH
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Crash, I have tried the glasses at my brothers house, they aren't for a flight sim a far as I can tell.
Rainbow Six really looked 3D, and the rifle sight appeared to really have depth way into the monitor.. Pretty cool.
Unfortunatley, shortly, your eyes start really hurting bigtime, and it's hard to concentrate when your family is howling in laughter at you sitting there with the wacky specs swingin.
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Sharky,
Yeah, you are likely CPU limited with that OC'd Celery. If you've currently got a TnT2 or a V3, I'd do the CPU shuffle first. You can get an adapter to pop a new FC-PGA chip into your old Socket 370 board too just FYI.
Others with V5 5500, check this out:
Heard something at Hard OCP about possibly the V5 5500 drivers not installing properly. HardOCP pointed to this link:
http://www.3dfxgamers.com/boards.asp?BOID=31&THID=54443&boardsort=lastpost&b (http://www.3dfxgamers.com/boards.asp?BOID=31&THID=54443&boardsort=lastpost&b)
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs
Visit Lephturn's Aerodrome for AH news, resources, and training data.
http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/ (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"MY P-47 is a pretty good ship
And she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip
I was thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip
Always got me through so far
Well they can ship me all over this great big world
But I'll never find nothing like my North End girl
I'm taking her home with me one day, sir
Soon as we win this war"
- Steve Earl
[This message has been edited by Lephturn (edited 06-16-2000).]