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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on February 18, 2003, 06:46:23 AM
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How can France complain about undue US pressure and influence when they are doing things like this http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/02/18/sprj.irq.chirac/index.html and encouraging other soveriegn nations to "shut up"?
Doesnt this make it plainly clear that the majority of France's recent behavior is really about a resentment of the USA than anything involving a possible Iraq war - maybe the war is a convenient backdrop to express their resebtment of the USA.
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I think Udie already has an active post about this very thing....
But wth we cant have to many "Bash the French" threads can we....:rolleyes:
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It boggles the mind...
France really needs to get over itself.
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And they think Bush is a retard?
"It is not really responsible behavior. It is not well brought-up behavior. They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet." "I felt they acted frivolously because entry into the European Union implies a minimum of understanding for the others," Chirac said. Chirac called the letters "infantile" and "dangerous," adding: "They missed a great opportunity to shut up."
WAAAA!!! I'm going to let you into our club unless you quit speaking your mind!!
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I thought the US was the arrogant bully in the world?
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We learned from the French.
Or else, the CIA is making Chirac do this.
Yeah, that's it.
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France will learn this time that you reap what you sow.
The emerging economies of those countries that were singled out by Chirac will one day eclispe France.
I am sure his words will come back to haunt the country.
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I see a pattern :
if you are a US president you can screw your allied during month ifnot year
if you are a French president you can screw your allied one time and you will be insulted during month ifnot year
There is a nice expression I don't need to translate "double standard"
I didn't made that post to support Chirac as I think he need to be slamed to ack like the Rumsfield/GWB duo.
Why the hell didn't you elected Powell (*) cause this guys look to have a brain ...
(*) I know he was not candidate :)
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Seems to me it's more thats the Franch who are practicing a double standard in this case.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Seems to me it's more thats the Franch who are practicing a double standard in this case.
how ?
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Wow straffo do I even need to explain... Did you even bother to read the article?
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yep and so ?
He screwed big time as I said previously but I don't see any difference between his attitude and GWB.
Same insane arrogance
btw I've just read that http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3210--309709-,00.html
From the CNN article :
The candidates are already upset over not being invited to Brussels for Monday's emergency summit on Iraq.
Has NATO comité invited the Russian ?
They are candidate nothing less nothing more
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(http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/images/graemlins/8.gif) Chirac
whe have rights to have our own opinion.
Chirac call us dumbs, and show all candidate to EU countries as secound class countries.
(http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/images/graemlins/8.gif) EU if u split countries to better and worse in EU
64 year ago they was too lazy to stand against nazist, and whole world pay his bill
Looks like US bet after war on bad horse, its time to change that
ramzey
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c'est vrai straffo....Chirac a paru comme un idiot hier a la tele.....
Il devrait ce faire questionner par son peuple pour ces stupidite....il a mal fait parait le reste des pays(EU)
Dommage car je supporter la France sur cette question de L'Iraq....m'est si ca continue comma ca...je vais vite changer d'idee
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Originally posted by SLO
c'est vrai straffo....Chirac a paru comme un idiot hier a la tele.....
Il devrait ce faire questionner par son peuple pour ces stupidite....il a mal fait parait le reste des pays(EU)
Dommage car je supporter la France sur cette question de L'Iraq....m'est si ca continue comma ca...je vais vite changer d'idee
No dobra SLO napisz to teraz w jakims zrozumialym jezyku, bo ni cholery nie rozumiem twojego szwargotu
clear enough?
ramzey
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Faut pas comparer une reflexion (idiote je l'avoue) de quelqu'un énervé avec une pression constante de la part d'un allié ...avec le quotidien que nous font subir ces męme alliés.
Je ne vois pas en quoi il n'aurais pas le droit de merder lui aussi. On a bien supporté les remontrances de Rumsfield sur la "old Europe".
Ramzey it was a comment to me not to you no need to be pissed or use bad words.
Le franįais n'est pas plus une langue de merde que le polonais.
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Själv så tycker jag att det vore bättre om vi alla pratade engelska istället så vi förstår varandra.
Nu kastar jag in några ord här för att göra folk nervösa nog att leta rätt på nått slags översättningsprogram på internet, hmm, vilka ska jag ta...Straffo och Blitz låter som en bra ide.
Jag sätter 20 spänn på att dom kommer att fixa till en översättning av den här ganska intetsägande posten. Santa, du får inte hjälpa dom. Inte du heller Gsholtz.
Så nu ska jag kasta in lite fler uppseendeväckande ord, Chiraq till exempel, eller Fransk ost.
Så...så avslutningen bara... WMD, Saddam, Straffo och De Gaulle. hehe, undrar om han är brydd nu.
Pretty silly to post in other languages than english if you ask me.
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Straffo with respect, if it was comment to U should be send on priv
And i dont use any bad words.
Its just simple reaction if u type in language not understand by others.
ramzey
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pourquoi ?
Il me parle ā moi en Franįais et je lui répond ā lui en Franįais
Si tu veux savoir ce que l'on a dit démerde-toi pour te le faire traduire.
Et non je ne parles pas suedois j'ai pas tout les défauts de la terre :D
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Basically he said Chirac made himself look like an idiot yesterday. The French people should put question for this stupidity. Call him to account, I guess. It's bad for the rest of the EU.
Slo supports the French position on Iraq, but if Chirac keeps on like this, Slo may have to change his mind.
Straffo (I think) is making a tiny excuse for Chirac because the poor fellow was all upset by the constant pressure from an ally. After all, the "old Europe" has supported some of what Rumsfeld said.
In the spirit of peace, brotherhood and understanding, he also says that French is not a language of "sh*t" like Polish is.
But don't take that last part in an arrogant way, ok?
;)
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I agree Ramzey but private messages are disabled in this BBS.
Concerning bad word I do think that "gibberish toejam" is bad word ;)
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Wow!
Its as if you guys have a different word for everything!!
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Originally posted by Toad
Basically he said Chirac made himself look like an idiot yesterday. The French people should put question for this stupidity. Call him to account, I guess. It's bad for the rest of the EU.
Didn't say he looked like and idiot I said : he ACTED like an idiot.
Slo supports the French position on Iraq, but if Chirac keeps on like this, Slo may have to change his mind.
yep:)
Straffo (I think) is making a tiny excuse for Chirac because the poor fellow was all upset by the constant pressure from an ally. After all, the "old Europe" has supported some of what Rumsfeld said.
Yep a very tiny excuse.
You know Chirac is more a "boiling" person than he look he like you say in football : fumbled (if I use the right word :D) .
In the spirit of peace, brotherhood and understanding, he also says that French is not a language of "sh*t" like Polish is.
ouch :(
Never said that ,your french is a bit rusty ;)
I said "Neither French nor Polish are toejamty languages"
completly différent no ?
Overall I give you a B- (nice effort but there is the need for more work ;))
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Yeah, I am rusty.
I went too fast too.
Doesn't it say:
"French is no more a language of sh*t than Polish is?"
That's closer, eh?
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, I am rusty.
I went too fast too.
Doesn't it say:
"French is no more a language of sh*t than Polish is?"
That's closer, eh?
Eh eh, yep.
But someway sound different in english, more rude.
C'mon Straffo this time Toad deserve an A :D
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REALLY?
FRANCE should be thrown out of the EU for such behaviour. That's the rantings of a wannabe dictator.
'Do as we say or we'll not allow you in'.
He's pissed at Denmark too. Twice did we say no to some of jis sponsored suggestions, and now we've supported the US and not 'kept quiet'.
Sorry Straffo and all French; but you HAVE to get rid of him. If he makes public threats like this, just IMAGINE how he RUNS YOUR country. He is not for you - he is for him!
Lost all respect for Chiraq. Still respect the French, though.
Thanks for the eye opener Grünherz
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Originally posted by Batz
...But wth we cant have to many "Bash the French" threads can we....:rolleyes:
not really. its just too much fun to stop.
F.
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@Toad : it's more closer :D
StSanta why should we get ride of Chirac if the USA can keep Bush ?
tss tss ...
Either we keep both idiot or none
No double standard please.
He pissed me too btw
I've heard for the 1st his speach at the 8 O'clock news.
And what as not been translated is the tone of his answer I use the exact same tone when explaining thinks to my little daughter ...
It "relativise" the message...
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lol....sorry for causing trouble by typin a message to straffo in french....
pretty good translation there toad...very good indeed.
what straffo said is that Chirac is under alot of pressure....I tend to agree with that...but as a leader of a nuke powered country....there is no excuse for his behavior...thats why he's paid big bucks$$$ and givin the power of his country
I also agree with GERMANY...RUSSIA....CHINA.... why do you guys always seem NOT TO MENTION THEM.
and GERMANY i have a little IRK with....Gerhard Shroeder(sorry for the spelling mistakes)won his election by BASHING the US....and sayin he'll NEVER AGREE to go to war with iraq
Yet not 1 of you is BASHING germany for not agreeing.....now thats called favoritism or just plain stupid.
I agree with the PROCESS FRANCE choose to take...which is give more time....
I never said i didn't agree with the use of force..but IMHO the US is goin to fast to use weapons...
and don't tell me we already waited to long.....cause the US and its ALLIES where already there in 1990(gulf war)...and had the chance then to do it...but choose to leave...so if it so diddlyin important to disarm iraq....why didn't you do it 12 years ago....and don't use the diddlyin UN mandate to liberate kuwait only...
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The reason Germany is not getting bashed is because Germany does not have the history of pissing in the US's eye that France has. Secondly Germany is not taking the leadership role in this, France is.
And thirdly, Germany at least showed the world they can fight in the last two world wars, so we cut them a bit of slack, they can talk the talk and walk the walk if they have too. :D
Finally and most important, Germany is not France. :D :D
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I believe the main reason is that Germany does not have veto power in the Security Council and France does.
I think yet another "dollar deal" will be cut with the Russians and the Chinese will get Taiwan in 5-10 years for abstaining.
But the French....... my guess is a two-fold problem there. 1) Nobody is going to give them the '91 guarantee that they get to keep their oil business in Iraq after this one. 2) I suspect there's quite a lot of "Fabrique en France" stuff about that they really don't want to see on global TV after it's over and the secret doors are opened.
Just a guess; intuition.
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I agree with point 1
Concerning point 2 what will you do if it's not true ?
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voules vou fouche avec moi se soi.
gichy gichy ya ya ya ya
(have no idea what that means, but its a cool song.)
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About the Russians and Chinese?
About the French and oil?
Or about the French being embarassed by what's found in Iraq?
What will I do about which?
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@MT :
I DON'T WANT TO GO IN A BED WITH YOU :D
If there is no post-91 French weapon in Iraq what will you do ?
Borrow some from our other customer ?
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Chiraq has done more to divide Europe in the past month than Hitler did in 12 years.
The gall of the man is absolutely unbelievable. I'm reading the transcripts from that interview over and over and it's un-f*cking believable.
I mean look at this toejam:
He said Romania and Bulgaria - currently due to join the EU in 2007 - could not have chosen a better way to spoil their chances of joining the club.
This is what you would expect from a schoolyard bulley. I would be furious if I was Romanian or Bulgarian for example. I mean who the f*ck does he think he is dictating the foreign policy for all those nations? Who the f*ck does he think he is making threats in the name of the EU?
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Originally posted by straffo
If there is no post-91 French weapon in Iraq what will you do ?
Borrow some from our other customer ?
Why, I guess I'd have to apologize for thinking such a thing about such a fine, reliable, genuine ally.
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I don't believe in miracle Toad.
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germany has bio-chem detection /clean up units in kuwait
they may not want to go to war , but they are going to help with the clean up
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3 points in KISS format ,trade, trade ,and trade, IRAQ has been under a UN boycott could Frances reason for no war be that the UN and US might find that they have been supllying Iraq with technoligies and equipment just a thougt to ponder the same for Germany and Russia
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Originally posted by straffo
ouch :(
Never said that ,your french is a bit rusty ;)
I said "Neither French nor Polish are toejamty languages"
completly différent no ?
Aw its too bad you didnt say this, it was getting damn good to me.
Much more entertaining than world news.
And ramzey? I think I love ewe ;)
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Originally posted by straffo
@Toad : it's more closer :D
StSanta why should we get ride of Chirac if the USA can keep Bush ?
tss tss ...
Either we keep both idiot or none
No double standard please.
He pissed me too btw
Mr. Bush is protecting my interests. I dont trust Democrats to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Chirac is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for GWB next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
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Chiraq has done more to divide Europe in the past month than Hitler did in 12 years.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is, quite rightly, infantile nonsense.
Comparing Chiraq to Hitler is justified and rational, and not the least bit hysterical.
lol
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What I meant was that Chirac has done enormous damage to the EU in the past month. Apparently you missed that.
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So you accidently slipped the Hitler reference in there?
I understand. It's easily done. I often find myself slipping in references to fascist dictators during everyday conversation.
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Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
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Originally posted by Dowding
So you accidently slipped the Hitler reference in there?
I understand. It's easily done. I often find myself slipping in references to fascist dictators during everyday conversation.
No, I did not accidentaly slip anything in there. I figured ok, who has caused as much diversion as Chirac in Europe in the near history? De Gaulle? I dunno, I know to little about his post ww2 affairs. I do know that he wanted to break the Americans back for some reason though...something about dollars and economic "warfare". So De Gaulle is out...who else then? Who has caused a gigantic rift to open up right in the middle of Europe? Feel free to come up with an example yourself. Hitler might not be the best example because he is known primarely for other reasons. But if you look at Europe 1938 you will note a very sharp line dividing Europe into two parts. Pro German and Pro Allied. But you go ahead, find me a better example.
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Originally posted by straffo
Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
You are working hard on making a fool of yourself I see.
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Originally posted by straffo
Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
May god help France if the people there think like you staffo.
You have probably turned more people against France in this newsgroup than I ever could.
Keep up the good work! :)
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Originally posted by straffo
Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
Wow, great PR for the people of France! Its no wonder you guys are so well liked. At least the Germans start wars when they dont like people - you frogs just turn your head and speak in nasaly voices.
(PS: I think Blair is more responsible for the "split" of Europe than that cheese eating bloke.)
Shut up Dowding.
This is fun, Cheers! :D
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Borrow some from our other customer ?
France has another customer??
Henh.
We'll, I suppose that if they did, and we asked to 'borrow' whatever it is, that 'customer' would be glad to lend it to us... chances are it was made like crap, worked rarely if at all and was vastly overpriced.
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Originally posted by straffo
Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
Glad were are clear :D
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Originally posted by straffo
Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests. I dont trust Socialists to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Bush is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
French "RESOLVE"... Comedy! The only resolve the French have shown is to whine about the USA.. Not true actually, the french are quick in resolving to surrenderre..
Straffo I cannot believe you support Chicrac still after how he has tread those emerging hard working east european countries who are trying to come out into the world stage and have their voice heard after 50years of communist imposed silrnce. And nof a french salamander like chicrac is telling them to shut up or they might not join the UE.. What the hell is wrong with him and what the hell is wrong with you?
So yea I giuss you are right he reflects the values of your snobby irrelevant pissant little country.
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Originally posted by straffo
I don't believe in miracle Toad.
Well, you should know me well enough here by now that if I said I would apologize, I would.
So it must be that you think it would take a miracle for the French to be turn into a fine, reliable, genuine ally.
I agree with you in this case.
;)
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The real strange fact is that if I post something using the exact same words I'm arrogant but if an american use the same sentence he is not arrogant
Talk about unbiased opinion.
you're disgusting.
Toad I know you are honest I was more speaking about all those basher.
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Yea straffo which country is it that has been on a moral trip about arroganant and intrusive US foreign policy?
And find me where the USA HEAD OF STATE had told several other governmets to "SHUT UP" outright. America has been exceedingly civil in dealing with all you euro whiners of late...
But thats even beside the point straffo. You yourself adnittet that Chicacs behavior represents the true nature of the French people - I fully agree.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea straffo which country is it that has been on a moral trip about arroganant and intrusive US foreign policy?
my governement not me and not all my country mate.
And find me where the USA HEAD OF STATE had told several other governmets to "SHUT UP" outright. America has been exceedingly civil in dealing with all you euro whiners of late...
you find rumsfield comment about "Old Europe" civil and smart ?
But thats even beside the point straffo. You yourself adnittet that Chicacs behavior represents the true nature of the French people - I fully agree.
Please show me the post were I said so
The post were I used the very same wording doesn't count it was just a test... a test most of the reader failed.
Originally posted by X2Lee
Mr. Bush is protecting my interests. I dont trust Democrats to show the RESOLVE of the RED WHITE AND BLUE.
Chirac is much more of a little whiny arse pansy than my Prez.
Keep him, he reflects your nation. I will vote for GWB next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.
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Originally posted by straffo
you find rumsfield comment about "Old Europe" civil and smart ?
Rumsfield is the president now?
Fact is the higher you go in a nations hieararchy, the higher the demands on the leader with regards to diplomacy, tact and tone. Heads of state can change their nations policy in 30 seconds if they want, that comes with the job. With this position comes enormous responsibility not to f*ck up.
Thus a President cannot say the same things a minister might say, because if the minister f*cks up, the president step in and reprimand him.
If we go even lower in the hierarchy we find underlings to the minister who can screw up even more without anybody really caring, everyone will just expect the minister to lecture his underling on good and bad behavior.
Somewhere on the bottom of this hierarchy, you'll find people like me and you. We can say pretty much whatever we want, since no one really cares anyway. "Oh no, Steve in Sweden called us spineless cowards, what shall we do"-is not something discussed in the halls of power in Paris right now.
BUT WHEN A HEAD OF STATE F*CKS UP....
When a head of state f*cks up Straffo, it reflects on the entire nation because no one can reprimand him, and everyone assumes, quite rightly, that he speaks with the voice of his people.
Even you can understand this simple truth. Even though it might hurt.
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So rumsfield is not speaking in the name of USA ?
idiotic.
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Rumsfeld gets more public attention than Chirac ever will, and is also a major element of the administration of the only super-power in the world. He's not 'just a minister'.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Chiraq has done more to divide Europe in the past month than Hitler did in 12 years.
I though Hitler actually helped unite Europe.
Europe is usually divided, on most things.
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Originally posted by straffo
So rumsfield is not speaking in the name of USA ?
idiotic.
There are two possible interpretations of this answer to my post Straffo...neither is very flattering for you:
a) You did not read my post
b) You did not understand my post
Well, ok, there is one more
c) You read and understood the post, but for some reason you want to equate what Rumsfield said with what Chiraq said.
Rumsfield were talking about new europe and old europe. Chiraq was threatening new member nations in the EU "shut up or face the consequences".
Chiraq shocked the entire world with his statements. As I said in a previous post, he is doing more to tear Europe apart than any other politician has done in a long long time.
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Originally posted by bounder
I though Hitler actually helped unite Europe.
Europe is usually divided, on most things.
Look at Europe 1938. See any unity? Personally I see 3 blocks that all hate eachother. West (UK-Fra-Benelux-Gre), Fascists (Ger-It-Spa-Balkan) and Communists (USSR)
What in your opinion did Hitler do to unite Europe? Besides invading it and annexing it?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
c) You read and understood the post, but for some reason you want to equate what Rumsfield said with what Chiraq said.
I see no differences.
Rumsfield were talking about new europe and old europe. Chiraq was threatening new member nations in the EU "shut up or face the consequences".
Wrong interpretation.
Let me explain :
You want to be a new member of a private club : will you piss off an old and influent member ?
if yes you're completly dumb.
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There are two possible interpretations of this answer to my post Straffo...neither is very flattering for you:
a) You did not read my post
b) You did not understand my post
or....
c) my post was stupid
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Originally posted by straffo
I see no differences.
Wrong interpretation.
Let me explain :
You want to be a new member of a private club : will you piss off an old and influent member ?
if yes you're completly dumb.
Newsflash #1:
EU not private club, but gathering of democratic states.
Newsflash #2:
The only ones thinking France is influental in world politics these days are the French themselves.
Newsflash #3:
What France has done in the past weeks has alienated them with the majority of Europe. I know many EU countries that were furious at the French arrogance even before Chirac insulted 10-15 democratic European nations.
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So straffo is basically admitting he supports Chicracs outrageous staertmrents on bullying new enterents into the EU by threatening them with consquences unless they stut up.
Sad, sad sad. You french are so two faced and full of toejam.
French oil companies and weapons manufactures have vast interests in iraq:
Yet to the french its a US war for Oil!!!
Freanch are threatening to bar somebody entery into a democratic internatinal institution and telling these would be members to shut up.
Yet to the French its only the evil USA whose disrespecting internatinal bodies!!!
So full of toejam.
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So full of toejam are Bush , Rumsfield ,your propaganda networks, and some poster of this board.
The great USA can do whatever they want and the other should only shut-up ?
What changed since 2 years except your redneck president ?
Btw why don't you piss on the saoudian too ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2773759.stm
How is it different from French position ?
I know it's because than can't veto.
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Listen to what some Europeans say:
The French defense minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, echoed Mr. Chirac in Warsaw today, telling her hosts that "it was better to keep silent when you don't know what's going on."
The comments were rejected across Central and Eastern Europe on Tuesday, suggesting that France will face serious challenges in exerting its influence over an expanded European Union.
"France has a right to its opinion, and Poland has the right to decide what is good for it," said Adam Rotfeld, deputy foreign minister of Poland, the largest of the candidates for the union. "France should respect that."
The tensions between Poland and France are particularly notable because the two countries have traditionally been close. But President Bush is clearly regarded, at least for now, as a better friend to the Poles than President Chirac.
Sorin Ionita, director of the Romanian Academic Society, a leading think tank in Bucharest, said: "If France wants to lose all the sympathy it has in the East, this is the way to do it, to say you little guys will have to listen to us forever. You don't hear this kind of language from the United States."
Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, who initiated one of the controversial letters supporting Washington, insisted today that the candidate countries should not be silenced.
"They have as much right to speak up as Great Britain or France or any other member of the European Union today," Mr. Blair said.
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Sorin Ionita, director of the Romanian Academic Society, a leading think tank in Bucharest, said: "If France wants to lose all the sympathy it has in the East, this is the way to do it, to say you little guys will have to listen to us forever. You don't hear this kind of language from the United States.
looks like he don't have any access to any information source.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Newsflash #1:
EU not private club, but gathering of democratic states.
Ever heard of lobbying ?
Newsflash #2:
The only ones thinking France is influental in world politics these days are the French themselves.
if we don't have any influence why all this bashing ?
Newsflash #3:
What France has done in the past weeks has alienated them with the majority of Europe.
It happen I recall the trouble their was with UK sheep coming directly from New Zeland ...
I know many EU countries that were furious at the French arrogance even before Chirac insulted 10-15 democratic European nations.
Your knowledge is so encyclopedic that I publicly thank you for providing me so valuable information.
Want to speak about nazism or isreal ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Want to speak about nazism or isreal ?
Want to talk about spelling?
Or more seriously why would I want to talk about that?
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Originally posted by straffo
looks like he don't have any access to any information source.
In reference to Polish and Bulgarian views of France...
How others perceive us is sometimes just as important as how we truly are. Looks like the USA is not alone, looks like France has some international relationship fence mending to do as well.
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We are in complete agreement.
I was not negating the idiocy of Chirac statement.
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Originally posted by straffo
The great USA can do whatever they want and the other should only shut-up ?
No thats not the american way - thats how an pissant arrogant France does foreign policy.
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So why is Rumsfield acting like a dork ?
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Because he seems to recall european history better than the europeans do.
And he didnt threaten countries to shut up or risk their UN membership or somethiing similar - he just tweaked you a littlke bit for being cowardly and irrelevant as you are. Frankly Chiracs coments reflect that because he started beating on the weaker coutries who agreed with the USA because he knows there is nothing a weak country like France can do to challence america.
I fact I'd say what Chicrac did was one of the dumbest most fearful and insecure things I have ever heard a politician say...
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I'm so pissed by your unconditional support that I won't answer anything.
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Better watch it Grun...soon he'll put you on his ignore list...
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Je crois que tu gaspilles ton temp straffo...ne leur reponds pas...
Je pense que ca resume bien la situation :D
http://Icare83.free.fr//lol.mp3
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm so pissed by your unconditional support that I won't answer anything.
Support of what straffo?
BTW dont hate me cuz I'm beautiful... :D
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Look at Europe 1938. See any unity? Personally I see 3 blocks that all hate eachother. West (UK-Fra-Benelux-Gre), Fascists (Ger-It-Spa-Balkan) and Communists (USSR)
What in your opinion did Hitler do to unite Europe? Besides invading it and annexing it?
What do you mean besides invading it and annexing it? Why should that not be considered. It was pretty much his defining action don't you think?
So that's what he did, and afterwards Europe swore never again and immediately started building bridges with each other, where possible and not divided by the 'Iron Curtain'. The Common Marketand now the EU, misguided, perhaps, but attempts at unity, certainly.
Europeans have always been divided, we still are now, otherwise we would be in a federalist superstate.
We all argue constantly, it's what we do. Like the British and the French. Great partners in trade and culture, but with a well documented antipathy.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
What I meant was that Chirac has done enormous damage to the EU in the past month. Apparently you missed that.
Agree 100%....il a raison straffo(i just said that he's right)
but instead of you all bashing on straffo like he's really responsible for chirac....gimme a break...you are all putting his country down....the guy is just tryin to defend himself against you all.....try a relax on your direct comments about his country and pick on Chirac instead....after all....he's a virtual sky dweeb friend....just like the rest of us.
BTW just to correct some of ya's mistakes.....the biggest client for iraq is RUSSIA & China for weapons...not France(only oil)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BTW dont hate me cuz I'm beautiful... :D
That's 99% of the problem I swear ;)
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Time to fire this back up again...
BEHOLD!!
THE COMPLETE MILITARY HISTORY OF FRANCE
Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of
French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who
inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are
victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.
Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages
toget invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
The Dutch War - Tied.
War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War -Lost,
but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their
first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.
American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.
Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by
a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of
Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to
the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish,
Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history,surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese
ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
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::: SNORK :::
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BEHOLD!!
THE COMPLETE MILITARY HISTORY OF FRANCE
*snort* OMG!!!! That is too friggin funny ! :D
Sorry Straffo, no offense intended to you, but I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
*snort* OMG!!!! That is too friggin funny ! :D
Sorry Straffo, no offense intended to you, but I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.
But it is so true :D :D :D
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yet France is still there.....with over 1000 years of history
you who only have 300 years of history is judging the 1 with 1000 years....
now thats funny....:p
now I'm gonna go research american war history and point out all your losses.....
Including the Indians that whooped your ass
Including my countries whoopin of your asses
your gonna find soon enough that with only 300 years of history....ya won't look any better then France:eek:
please flame on :D
side note: 2nd most read book in the History of Books is.......French....lol...yup French.....Napoleon....the 1 that made the English/Prussian/Dutch...well most of Europe....... shake at there knees....:cool:
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Originally posted by Vermillion
*snort* OMG!!!! That is too friggin funny ! :D
Sorry Straffo, no offense intended to you, but I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.
No problem Verm :)
As we said : "On peut rire de tout mais pas avec tout le monde" (we can joke about all but not with all)
The character who posted after you is in the "not with all" categorie ,not you ;)
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Originally posted by straffo
No problem Verm :)
As we said : "On peut rire de tout mais pas avec tout le monde" (we can joke about all but not with all)
The character who posted after you is in the "not with all" categorie ,not you ;)
Hey staffo :p
:D
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Originally posted by SLO
yet France is still there.....with over 1000 years of history
you who only have 300 years of history is judging the 1 with 1000 years....
now thats funny....:p
please flame on :D
side note: 2nd most read book in the History of Books is.......French....lol...yup French.....Napoleon....the 1 that made the English/Prussian/Dutch...well most of Europe....... shake at there knees....:cool:
Lets compare what the US accomplished in a mere 300 years compared to France which had a 600 year head start.
:D :D
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ouch and by the way it's not ya .. it's yall:)
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i just have to type it... tierd of political stuff...
why all of them are using so polite words to express his opinions and feelings?
"It is not really responsible behavior. It is not well brought-up behavior. They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet."
Chirac's opinion and feelings are clear... for me anyway :)
Who the hell is he to "judge" us? I can't see even ONE reason to talk about this "big deal" :) Chirac said this.. bike killa could say "France just missed great opportunity to shuddup about Poland"... but bike won't say this :D
Our dude said "France has a right to its opinion and Poland has the right to decide what is good for it. France should respect that." And maybe that is the reason that he is politician and i'm the IT guy... but believe me, next time when i see Chirac telling me what to do, i will be the first one who post "Kiss my prettythang mr Chirac" :)
We already have enought of politicians who "knows" what's good for us... we don't have to import them from France as well as France don't have to import guys from Poland... let's just all take care of our things... not stuff of others. thanks
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Straffo, your patience is definitively infinite.
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Yeah, I commend straffo.
He's been under assaultfrom virtually everyone here. If there is a comment that CAN be interpreted as critical towards the US, ten or more people will gang up on the author.
Straffo faces daily valls of cowards, chickens, losers and whatnot. Too bad people cannot be civil, just because they're pissed off.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Yeah, I commend straffo.
He's been under assaultfrom virtually everyone here. If there is a comment that CAN be interpreted as critical towards the US, ten or more people will gang up on the author.
Straffo faces daily valls of cowards, chickens, losers and whatnot. Too bad people cannot be civil, just because they're pissed off.
Straffo defends the undefendable, takes a post with 5 excellent examples of France's misdeeds and zeros in on one word in one sentance to defend France (as if every other point is then also not credible), uses smokescreens as a technique instead of debateing the relavent points. When he can not defend France any other way he says the source is not credible (regardless of the source, he even said the Air Power Journal was not a credible source).
If he is under attack from everyone here then I would have to conclude that he is wrong. It was not good for France to help the Argentines with their exocets in the Gulf war, it was not good for Chirac to tell the eastern european states to shut up, it was not good for Chirac to try to split NATO apart (by trying to block defensive planning on Turkeys behalf) etc etc etc.
I could defend Hitler with all sorts of crazy arguments too. Would you commend me too?
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I see habu has all the answers.....why bother....just ask Master Habu.
and yes Habu lets do check what France has done in its past History compared to yours.....here I'll post the 1st one
PAST....
Father to one of the greatest navy's of the world
Father to one of the greatest empires of the world....
England
yes my friend...France is the Father who helped create what is now England....
now come back with something similar if ya can....
if ya can....
then I'll tell ya an even bigger 1...so ya better make yours count Master Habu.
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You forgot to say that an ugly french spited in you feeding-bottle when you were young.
Now EDIT your post Habu you've lost control somewhat.
Originally posted by Habu
Straffo defends the undefendable, takes a post with 5 excellent examples of France's misdeeds and zeros in on one word in one sentance to defend France (as if every other point is then also not credible), uses smokescreens as a technique instead of debateing the relavent points. When he can not defend France any other way he says the source is not credible (regardless of the source, he even said the Air Power Journal was not a credible source).
If he is under attack from everyone here then I would have to conclude that he is wrong. It was not good for France to help the Argentines with their exocets in the Gulf war, it was not good for Chirac to tell the eastern european states to shut up, it was not good for Chirac to try to split NATO apart (by trying to block defensive planning on Turkeys behalf) etc etc etc.
I could defend Hitler with all sorts of crazy arguments too. Would you commend me too?
If ever the US bomb Rio instead of Bagdad I wont be surprised ...:p
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and yes Air power journal is not credible when publishing articles without any sources nor references.
(60 minutes too is not credible)
MANDOBLE && StSanta I'm almost alone here so I've to have the patience of several.
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oh ya...on a side note:.....Straffo is really not alone...we distant cousins:p
when i see 10 on 1.....I side with the 1:D
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm almost alone here
No, you are not alone here, but for some reason you are the only one finding these posts (IMO mostly ofensive and stupid) worth a reply.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Straffo faces daily valls of cowards, chickens, losers and whatnot. Too bad people cannot be civil, just because they're pissed off.
Well, there are several good reasons as to why people are pissed off at the French right now. I'm sure you dont need a list.
If straffo defends the French policy and leadership, he will rightfully catch flak for it.
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You are right MANDOBLE.
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my god ! hope you guys dont carry guns when you have a hard conversation/arguing in real life :D
No wonder how wars can break out, and god bless my country for still standing outta EU.
there will never be a United states of Europe, the history is too long and bloody for that to happen i guess. But it sure woulda been nice.
Hortlund you Swedes did i mistake on that Eu membership, i heard the liverproblems is already increasing :D
we still go liqour that costs about a couple of days hardworking job and it keeps the drinking down muhahhahha
Straffo you have my respect expression you opinion like this in here, That cant be easy my friend :(
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all yall do not forget that the french people's also gave us in the USA, some mighty fine cookin's cept here we call it CAJUN style.yes, SOME OF the good ole folks in Loiusiana also distant cousin's to SLO and STRAFFO:D say cheese yall
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Originally posted by krazyhorse
all yall do not forget that the french people's also gave us in the USA, some mighty fine cookin's cept here we call it CAJUN style.yes the good ole folks in Loiusiana also distant cousin's to SLO and STRAFFO:D say cheese yall
Not all of us :mad:
There's a lot of Italians in Louisiana!
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And a lot of norwegians in minnesota ugh ugh lets all smoke a peace pipe (pot) :D
USA is a great and nice country and its is mixed with people from all over the world, but as any country like mine there will always be bad smelling eggs.
Like my country is still doing that toejamty whalefishing and i dont like it, for not saying the wulfe slaying 2 years ago grrrrrrr :(
resulotion is demonstrate get involved and vote diffrent if you disagree.
seems to be forgotten that all we humans (who is normal or whatever that means)have the same needs and wishes for our lives and our closest.
meaning : food, house, car, fun, job, peace last and not less safety.
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Originally posted by krazyhorse
all yall do not forget that the french people's also gave us in the USA, some mighty fine cookin's cept here we call it CAJUN style.yes the good ole folks in Loiusiana also distant cousin's to SLO and STRAFFO:D say cheese yall
From Louisiana here...and I claim no kinship with french or candian.
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Ah yes, the sooo smart move to get turkey in... we'll talk about it in 10 years. you just don't learn, do you ?
Straffo, you have too much free (lost, if you ask me) time with this sh*t. Do I have to drive up there & drag you out for a beer?
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Ya'll have seem to forgotten one important fact, two towers fell on 9/11/2001 and the trail of the perpetrators has led to where it has. But most importantly, citizens of many nations died that horrific day.
:(
Krotki, 308th City of Cracow (Polish Air Force) RAF
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edited last message to include SOME OF