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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on February 18, 2003, 01:27:15 PM
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(in case he is browsing these boards...you never know)
You americans are damn lucky to have a great President at these times.
BUSH SAID that the size of the protests against a possible U.S.-led war against Iraq was irrelevant.
“Size of protest, it’s like deciding, ‘Well I’m going to decide policy based upon a focus group.’ The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security — in this case — security of the people.”
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Originally posted by Hortlund
(in case he is browsing these boards...you never know)
You americans are damn lucky to have a great President at these times.
Hortlund,
Right now Bush is starting to scare me. He is on a crusade and gives a damn about what the world thinks let alone his own people. This is a world community now days and we have to think internationally to keep everything moving smoothly. If US attack Iraq without UN agreement, this would create a HUGE rift in the UN. I would say to the point that UN may disband. Its happened before,, a long time ago. I believe it was called the LEague of Nations. It collapsed because the US didn't want to particpate, if I remeber right.
The UN is the only thing that holds the world together at this point. Other countries automatically look to the UN when situation arise. If there is bickering in the UN then god knows what will happen when the quit looking there for guidance.
God help us all.
Alexander
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Chimpy sounds more like the leader of the Borg than an American.
The UN is irrelevant......
The protestors are irrelevant......
Iraqs attempts to comply are irrelevant......
The French are irrelevant......
The Germans are irrelevant......
World opinion is irrelevant......
The US Constitution is irrelevant......
The Bill of Rights is irrelevant......
The opinion of anyone but me is irrelevant.....
Resistance is futile...prepare to be assimilated.
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bahaha I knew you were a Trekkie!!
Anyone else get the mental image of those goofs in X-files when Weazel posts? My bet is he looks like the one with unwashed long hair and glasses.
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WTG GeeDubya!
The guy just gets better and better, Fu*k the germans, Fu*k the french! Fu*k the UN. Fu*k weazel! My kinda Prez :)
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Sorry but your post is uncomplete (I corrected it a bit) :
WTG GeeDubya!
The guy just gets better and better, Fu*k the germans, Fu*k the french! Fu*k the UN Fu*k the american! . Fu*k weazel! My kinda Prez :)
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Lol, straffo ;)
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It's OK, GWB has it all under control.
Don't let the suggestion to by duct tape and plastic to seal off your house from deadly gas fool you. If that really worked, they'd be handing it out to soldiers instead of the multi-thousands-of-dollars-per-unit protective suits.
The real reason for the plastic and tape is so that the military will have something to neatly roll the contaminated victim's dead bodies up in for proper disposal once things go bad.
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The mental image I get from your postings is of an effete, pimply faced, weak chinned man, with a sunken in chest and receding hair line.
No glasses but my hair is getting kind of long, I like my pony tail. :p
Originally posted by Hortlund
bahaha I knew you were a Trekkie!!
Anyone else get the mental image of those goofs in X-files when Weazel posts? My bet is he looks like the one with unwashed long hair and glasses.
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LOL Im 28 weazel. No receding hair line here.
What is "weak chinned"? Can you give an example of a famous person that is weak chinned?
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League of Nations collapsed because it could not or would not enforce it's own ruleings , sounds like the UN
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"As we head for war with Iraq, Americans should reflect and be grateful for combat sacrifices
made by our veterans, such as Sen. Inouye (lost an arm), Sen. John McCain (six years as a POW),
Bob Kerrey (lost a leg) and Max Cleland (lost both legs and an arm).
However, we veterans are most impressed by the sacrifices of Vietnam-era veteran George W. Bush,
who lost his memory for nearly a whole year concerning where he was and what he was doing from
mid-1972 to mid-1973 when he was supposed to be serving in the Texas Air National Guard.
Loss of limbs pale in comparison with our president's unique personal sacrifice.
We are fortunate to have such a selfless and patriotic man leading us to war."
Chris Riser,
a veteran of Desert Storm.
Monte Burns
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Originally posted by john9001
League of Nations collapsed because it could not or would not enforce it's own ruleings , sounds like the UN
Someone paid attention in History class.
(PS: Im convinced Weazel is a freshman at Berkley - hes studying to be an ACLU lawyer)
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weazel wrote:
The mental image I get from your postings is of an effete, pimply faced, weak chinned man, with a sunken in chest and receding hair line.
Why use your imagination? Just look in a mirror!
But be sure to throw in Loser, retard, tree hugger, Limp wristed idiot to your list.
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BUSH SAID that the size of the protests against a possible U.S.-led war against Iraq was irrelevant.
“Size of protest, it’s like deciding, ‘Well I’m going to decide policy based upon a focus group.’ The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security — in this case — security of the people.”
Any other Britishers see the irony of this statement?
Blair is a pathological focus group policy maker - it's the cornerstone of his Premiership.
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ACLU Lawyer?
Oh my Cod! A person who wants to uphold individual rights you mean!!!??
BURN HIM!
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MT,
I think you meant to say "The ACLU wants to selectively uphold individual rights."
Just though I would help you out. Us old farts gotta stick together.
No need to thank me...it was my pleasure.
Regards, Shuckins
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Hehe. ;)
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if he cared what most Americans wanted he wouldn't be the pres.
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By the Wez
Bush's 'sacrifice' can't be matched
quote:
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"As we head for war with Iraq, Americans should reflect and be grateful for combat sacrifices
made by our veterans, such as Sen. Inouye (lost an arm), Sen. John McCain (six years as a POW),
Bob Kerrey (lost a leg) and Max Cleland (lost both legs and an arm).
However, we veterans are most impressed by the sacrifices of Vietnam-era veteran George W. Bush,
who lost his memory for nearly a whole year concerning where he was and what he was doing from
mid-1972 to mid-1973 when he was supposed to be serving in the Texas Air National Guard.
Loss of limbs pale in comparison with our president's unique personal sacrifice.
We are fortunate to have such a selfless and patriotic man leading us to war."
Chris Riser,
a veteran of Desert Storm.
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Uhhh..ookkkaaaayy. We had 2 pres in ww2. I dont recall ethier being Vets. Being a vet isnt a something required to lead a nation in times of strife. It requires balls... something that GB has.
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I hate the lil donutwood.
But, he's the damn President. When he slips on that CIC hat and sez "Lets Go!", I ain't gonna screw the troops by bad mouthing the miserable lil bag of toejam.
I've already informed him of how charmed I am regarding the tax cuts, and in a sepaerate note, give him an 'attaboy' for taking a firm stand on terror and saddam.
I keep him informed, he keeps me humored... and next election, I'm voting for ABB (anybody but bush).
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Originally posted by Hortlund
bahaha I knew you were a Trekkie!!
Anyone else get the mental image of those goofs in X-files when Weazel posts? My bet is he looks like the one with unwashed long hair and glasses.
Weasle is the cigarette man.
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Originally posted by straffo
Sorry but your post is uncomplete (I corrected it a bit) :
WTG GeeDubya!
The guy just gets better and better, Fu*k the germans, Fu*k the french! Fu*k the UN Fu*k the american! . Fu*k weazel! My kinda Prez :)
You fight like a child! Stop mocking us!
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Originally posted by Dowding
Any other Britishers see the irony of this statement?
Blair is a pathological focus group policy maker - it's the cornerstone of his Premiership.
I respect Blair.
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The Post-Standard (an affiliate of Syracuse.com) is reporting that Bush tried to halt the NYC anti-war rally.
Last week, the NY mayor's office told organizers of the rally they could not march on the UN, citing "security concerns."
Then, a three-judge federal panel upheld the mayor.
But the Bush administration had filed a brief with the judge panel, urging it to support Bloomberg's decision to halt the march.
That last line bears repeating; The Bush administration filed a brief in an attempt to stop the rally.
This was a blatant maneuver to discourage the growing protests against the White House and the rush towards war.
It was a denial of 1st Amendment rights. This latest effort marks yet another assault on the Bill of Rights by this administration.
The 100,000 to 1,000,000 (numbers depend on who you talk to) people who rallied in NYC were not deterred, but this does not change the fact that Bush wanted to shut them down.
The question that begs to be asked is this; If "We The People" can't march, should our soldiers be allowed to?
Heißen Sie willkommen nach Amerika!
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Two scenarios.
1.) Bush is trampelling on the rights of American citizens because he has secret plans to invade the rest of the world and become Emperor and kill everyone and nuke the whales and burn churches and make money and avenge his father and goose step and increase the deficet and murder babies.
OR:
2.) He was concerned that a terrorist group might think that a protest would provide wonderful cover for an attack.
You decide.
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Inaugural Demonstrations (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/INAUGURAL_protests010120.html)
Protesters Prominent on Parade Route; Some Arrests Made
"Despite rainy winter weather in the nation's capital, protesters also congregated prior to the parade at the U.S. Supreme Court on Capitol Hill, chanting, "No Justice, No Peace!"
Earlier, just at the moment Bush was taking his oath of office, police were clashing with protesters at an intersection just a few blocks from the parade route in downtown Washington.
With a helicopter hovering overhead, the Secret Service and busloads of police, some in riot gear, blocked off the intersection, though the vast majority of the protesters were congregating peacefully.
Law enforcement officials said the protesters were being surrounded and moved because they did not have a permit to gather on the street. The demonstrators began to disperse at around the time Bush finished delivering his inaugural address. So far police have made a total of nine arrests for disorderly conduct."
You probably think he should call out the National Guard in their riot gear?
The marchers faced the biggest show of police force ever for a presidential inauguration. For the first time in history an inauguration was declared a “national special security event,” which placed the Secret Service in overall charge of security.
At least 10,000 uniformed and plainclothes officers of 16 federal, state and local police agencies were present. The parade route was lined with steel barricades and uniformed police stood five to eight feet apart. To get close to the parade route, people had to pass through one of ten checkpoints where bags were searched while helicopters flew overhead and sharp-shooters watched from rooftops.
Police justified the buildup by claiming that the protesters would be violent. However, the only violence came from the police themselves. When a contingent of demonstrators who had left Dupont Circle heading for Freedom Plaza, where they had a permit to protest, they were blocked by a line of police in riot gear standing shoulder to shoulder. As the demonstrators approached and chanted “let us through” the police began swinging their clubs and arrested 15 people.
At another point during the parade the Secret Service had all the checkpoints closed but two. This meant that thousands of both protesters and supporters of Bush had to walk as many as ten additional blocks to enter the parade area. At the first of these two checkpoints the line stretched more than three blocks as people waited to enter.
These are the facts, chimpy doesn't believe in the right to assemble or protest....and it started on Inauguration day.
The boy ain't right.
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
He was concerned that a terrorist group might think that a protest would provide wonderful cover for an attack.
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Imagine if your local law enforcement functioned like the UN .
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Two scenarios.
1.) Bush is trampelling on the rights of American citizens because he has secret plans to invade the rest of the world and become Emperor and kill everyone and nuke the whales and burn churches and make money and avenge his father and goose step and increase the deficet and murder babies.
OR:
2.) He was concerned that a terrorist group might think that a protest would provide wonderful cover for an attack.
You decide.
Attacking & threatening middle eastern countries just creates more unhappy people ready to become terrorists...
Heck, their primary target is US, Europe is the secondary.
Tells something.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
(in case he is browsing these boards...you never know)
You americans are damn lucky to have a great President at these times.
Some of don't feel so lucky. Hell, most of us didn't even vote for him.
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Sandman wrote:
Some of don't feel so lucky. Hell, most of us didn't even vote for him.
Just the important ones did!:p
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Originally posted by Turdboy
Sandman wrote:
Just the important ones did!:p
I'm from California... my vote would be worth more if I lived in Wyoming.
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If you'd have lived in Wyoming the score there would have been:
Official Totals Gore = 60,481 + 1 Bush still = 147,947
;)
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Imagine if your local law enforcement functioned like the UN .
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ya imagine. lets do that.
UN is our law enforcement/justice system.
Iraq would be the criminal under invetigation by detectives (un inspectors).
and our presedent is the vigalanty with a rope trying to incite the crowd into breaking into the jail, dragging the deffendant out and hanging him, because the he thinks the investigation is taking too long, he doesn't have faith in the system, and he just can't wait to use his new rope.
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LOL!!
Toad, wuz that a shack?
and this kinda leaps off the thread if yah think about it....
Originally posted by Suave
Imagine if your local law enforcement functioned like the UN .
no toejam. I'm pretty certain my school board already IS the UN.
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Hehe "you stop the car and pull over right now or else, or else.. we're going to search your car really good this time ! You should pull over now or we'll ask the legislators to make another law. Now you know you're not supposed to point that gun at us, c'mon now you've got to meet us halfway on this"
Thats the trouble with laws and criminals .
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
and our presedent is the vigalanty with a rope trying to incite the crowd into breaking into the jail, dragging the deffendant out and hanging him, because the he thinks the investigation is taking too long, he doesn't have faith in the system, and he just can't wait to use his new rope.
Yup. And just think, this is only the third investigation! No faith in the system! Bah, third time's the CHARM!
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Bush on anti-war protesters
Mr President
(in case he is browsing these boards...you never know)
You americans are damn lucky to have a great President at these times.
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BUSH SAID that the size of the protests against a possible U.S.-led war against Iraq was irrelevant.
“Size of protest, it’s like deciding, ‘Well I’m going to decide policy based upon a focus group.’ The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security — in this case — security of the people.”
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Just as a quick reductio ad absurdum:
Bush believes that the size of the protests against the war was irrelevant.
A protest by 1000 people is irrelevant.
A protest by 1,000,000 people is irrelevant
A protest by 1000,000,000 people is irrelevant
A protest by the entire population of the world is irrelevant
That is absurd, I'm sure you agree
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wow... weazel has a pony tail and a low I.Q.? who'd a thunk?
and that's one reason that generalizing has allways worked for me...
lazs
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bounder... I believe "focus group" was used. I am sure that by world population standards that you would agree that even 1,000,000 people is "irrelevant". When you get to 100,000,000 it will be worth discussing.
lazs
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Originally posted by bounder
Just as a quick reductio ad absurdum:
Bush believes that the size of the protests against the war was irrelevant.
A protest by 1000 people is irrelevant.
A protest by 1,000,000 people is irrelevant
A protest by 1000,000,000 people is irrelevant
A protest by the entire population of the world is irrelevant
That is absurd, I'm sure you agree
Protests by any number of foreigners don't count. They don't vote.
In America the protestors were only some minute fraction of the total population, and the polls still show strong support for Dubya's policies regarding Iraq.
So yeah, the size of the protests was irrelevant.
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Having had a closer look at the post, it seems the source quoting GWB made the assertion that the size of any demonstration is irrelevant.
That statement (that the size of a demonstration is irrelevant)is still absurd. ALthough I concede it was made by some unattributed person adding a little meaning to something GWB didn't say.
The london demo was very relevant to Tony Blair. He wants so to be loved by his people. After the march his popularity fell through the floor. Why? because on the day of the protest he misjudged the mood of the nation which was broadly (if a little nebulously) behind the march and made some very ill judged statements.
Members of his own party are openly talking about leadership challenges (mostly to unerve him I think!)
Voting is not a prerequisite for demonstration. Voting is another form of demonstrating. You get protest votes, in the same way you get protest demonstrations.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Any other Britishers see the irony of this statement?
Blair is a pathological focus group policy maker - it's the cornerstone of his Premiership.
If that were true, then why is he supporting the US?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ACLU Lawyer?
Oh my Cod! A person who wants to uphold individual rights you mean!!!??
BURN HIM!
You must be speaking of the old ACLU....I think their focus has changed the past 15 years, ya think?
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Originally posted by Rude
You must be speaking of the old ACLU....I think their focus has changed the past 15 years, ya think?
Does this mean we can still burn him? :confused:
The AXIS OF WEAZEL MUST FALL!
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Originally posted by Rude
If that were true, then why is he supporting the US?
Well for Tony its a toughie. It is true, he has been wedded to his focus groups the entire time in office, but he's also a sucker for meeting the rich and the famous, often quite in awe of them {edited - wrote 'him' by mistake}
Now George is:
a)Rich
b)The most powerful man in the world
c)Charming
Tony will do anything for him, even abandon his focus groups.
I'm no fan of tony Blair, but in a weird way its good to see him finally sticking to something he thinks he believes in.
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bush must go.
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BUSH SAID that the size of the protests against a possible U.S.-led war against Iraq was irrelevant.
“Size of protest, it’s like deciding, ‘Well I’m going to decide policy based upon a focus group.’ The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security — in this case — security of the people.”
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. (http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/03-09.ra)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Some of don't feel so lucky. Hell, most of us didn't even vote for him.
most of "us" didnt vote for anyone
I did
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Smells like Lazs made poopy again, I'll send your girlfriend over to change your diaper after I'm through servicing her.
Originally posted by lazs2
wow... weazel has a pony tail and a low I.Q.? who'd a thunk?
and that's one reason that generalizing has allways worked for me...
lazs
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... sticking to something he thinks he believes in.
But even he isn't that sure. ;) But I'm glad the focus groups have gone, in a way.
Blair is running a huge risk politically, and is placing his Premiership in Bush's hands. I'm not sure Bush would reciprocate if the Presidency was on the line.
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Originally posted by weazel
Smells like Lazs made poopy again, I'll send your girlfriend over to change your diaper after I'm through servicing her.
Now thats just diddlying dumb.
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Weasle reminds me of those saturday night live satires of political debate TV shows, when the host's and guests are saying things infantile and insane .
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You people sound like the Islamic leaders in IRAN...
You praise goverment (the islamic leaders) and discredit anything and anyone who has another view of things..
Weazel = Rushdie (spelling?)
This is america, if weazel or any other american wants to show their dissent then let them do it... Dont discredit them.. Allowing them to Freedom of Speech is what makes america, America with a capital A...
Do I agree with everything weazel says no.. Does he have some valid points. yes...
Censorship is the first step to Americas Downfall.....
These are times that are testing. Do not fall into the stupidity that is current state of the 3rd world nations..
2 cents
DoctorYO