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"Iraq poses no threat"
Your own government knows this is false, but tries to hide it from you to bolster their anti-American stance.
http://www.faz.net/IN/Intemplates/faznet/default.asp?tpl=faz/content.asp&rub={2A936BB1-8BB4-4BBA-8134-C9AD285C8C81}&doc={007FEDEA-C7CA-405C-BED8-27B98B3E552F}
Translation of article courtesy No 6 of AGW:
Biological Terrorism : Danger Hushed Up
Secret Service: Iraq possesses smallpox pathogens / Federal Government kept the information secret for months / The text of the document
Berlin. The Federal Government has apparently concealed information that Iraq possesses biological weapons of mass destruction and is threatening Germany with them.
In a government document dated August 9 of last year, which this newspaper has in its possession, it was warned that in attacks using smallpox agents, in which up to 25 million Germans could fall victim, there was not sufficient vaccine available. Not publicizing the document has fueled suspicion that the Red-Green coalition hushed up the actual threat by Iraq a few weeks before federal elections and that it is still not informing the public completely about the extent of the threat.
The document is a copy of the text from the Federal Health Ministry that according to the FAX header information was distributed widely in the Federal Government and, among other things, was known about by the Federal Interior Ministry since August 12. Due to the acute threat by Iraq, procurement of smallpox vaccine for the entire population should be undertaken. According to the document, the "German secret service" has just not "vague indications" as the government has claimed so far, but "documented knowledge" that Iraq possesses biological weapons. The document says further that smallpox agents are stored "illegally" outside of official American and Russian laboratories, in Iraq and North Korea among other places. There are even indications that terror groups are striving to produce biological weapons. In case of an American military strike against Baghdad, there is "fear" that Iraq will retaliate with the biological weapons they have in their possession, including smallpox.
The extent of the threat is described openly for the first time. "In a - no longer safely dismissed - biological attack" the most "devastating scenario" is an attack with smallpox agents. Without vaccination one could figure on 30 to 40 percent mortality, meaning 25 million people in Germany alone. Furthermore, "In the case of an epidemic, public life would collapse on the day of the awareness of the attack, even before the deadly effects of the plague."
In the meantime the Federal Government has ordered a complete supply of vaccine that must be secured by March. Even a biological attack outside of Germany is dangerous: "A release of smallpox viruses somewhere else in the world creates an extraordinary danger for Germany due to the highly contagious nature of the agents and the mobility of the world's population."
The Ministry of Health confirms the existence of the document, but points out that such drastic language was chosen so that funds for vaccines would be quickly allocated by the Budget Committee. The number of deaths are exaggerated and would only apply if all residents were infected, which is "completely unrealistic". The minister herself used the document to use for speaking notes to the Budget Committee in November, but edited out most of the sections about Iraq and the effects of an attack. FDP Chairman Westerwelle, who has been criticizing the Federal Government for glossing over the danger for some time now, told this newspaper: "The level of danger from Iraq is a lot more serious than the government wants to admit".
The Text of the Smallpox Warning
Bonn, 9. August 2002
BMG
Ref. 329
Complete Rationale to the apl. -/apl. VE-Proposal from 08/09/2002 Re: The Procurement of Smallpox Vaccine
The immediate allocation of 10 million Euro as well as VE in the amount of 20 million Euro for the procurement of smallpox vaccine is factually irrefutable and temporally non-deferrable.
1.Probability of an Attack
The foreign policy appraisal and especially the reports of the news services indicate an acute escalation of threat levels: The German security services have at their disposal documented knowledge that smallpox agents are stored illegally outside the official laboratories in Atlanta and Koltsovo, for example in Russia, Iraq and North Korea. Likewise there are indications that terror groups are striving to produce biological weapons. Even the release of smallpox viruses somewhere else in the world creates an extraordinary danger for Germany due to the highly contagious nature of the agents and the mobility of the world?s population. The signs of a possible short notice imminent attack on Iraq by the US are increasing There is reason to fear that in such a situation Iraq will retaliate with any biological weapons in its possession, including smallpox viruses.
2. Effects of an Attack
In an - no longer safely dismissed - attack in the realm of bioterrorism the most devastating scenario by far exists in the event of an attack with smallpox agents. The population of Germany - even those persons who were inoculated until the 70?s - shows insufficient immunity. We would calculate with 30 to 40 % mortality, i.e., about 25 million people in the Federal Republic alone. In the case of an epidemic public life would collapse on the day of its knowledge, even before the deadly effects of the plague.
Smallpox vaccination can protect the spread of the plague. We must, therefore, maintain sufficient vaccine for the entire population. The army has stored 6 million doses of smallpox vaccine from an older supply in October 2001. With the procurement of these vaccines, of which no larger quantities are available at this time, we can only build an emergency reserve. It will not be sufficient in any way to stop an outbreak. For these reasons BMI, BMVg and BMG have initiated intensive efforts to introduce further stores.
Also, in comparison with other countries immediate precautions are vital:
- The USA has already stored or ordered vaccine for the entire population. The USA is preparing for the immediate immunization against smallpox of more than 500,000 people in the health services.
- Israel is actively preparing for the possibility of a terror attack with smallpox viruses and possesses vaccine for the entire population.
The degree of the supply of smallpox vaccine in individual countries is public knowledge. Because it is one of the most important industrial nations in the West and due to the insufficient provisions Germany is, as a largely unprotected country, an especially attractive target for bio-terrorist attacks.
Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, 16.02.2003
German officials desperately try to plug this leak: http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1430_A_781802_1_A,00.html
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Oh God I hope they are wrong on the smallpox part.
The document says further that smallpox agents are stored "illegally" outside of official American and Russian laboratories, in Iraq and North Korea among other places
Stuff to lose sleep over.
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Dont worry about it guys - Im sure more inspectors can sort it out. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Dont worry about it guys - Im sure more inspectors can sort it out. :rolleyes:
Iraq does not threaten Germany in any way.
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Regarding the panic and desperation in the argumentation-line of the pro-war-writers I think it is not Blitz who has become a victim of national propaganda...
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Regarding the panic and desperation in the argumentation-line of the pro-war-writers I think it is not Blitz who has become a victim of national propaganda...
We could have a poster-boy competition...
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Iraq does not threaten Germany in any way.
ROFL!! :D
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Records from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a 1994 Senate Banking Committee investigation show that during Reagan's presidency, the United States sold Iraq anthrax, bubonic plague, and botulinum toxin, all supposedly for medical research.
Over congressional opposition, Reagan sold Iraq twin-engine Bell "Huey" helicopters, which appear to have been used in his chemical attacks on the Kurds.
The Bush administration's current outrage at Saddam's crimes is bogus.
If people like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, and Richard Armitage (all of whom held prominent government positions in the '80s) really cared about the Iraqi people, they wouldn't have helped Saddam brutalize them in the '80s.
And, since the US doesn't care about the Iraqi people, our real motivation for war must lay elsewhere--either in a thirst for world domination, or oil, or both."
This is how chimpy knows Saddam has WMD - because RoNaLD RaYgUnZ and Poppy Bush sold them to Saddam.
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Weazel you fool Iraq has no wmd...
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Has anyone noticed Boroda, Blitz and Babek all start with the letter "B".
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
;)
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Hey Weazel ... let me get your logic right...
Reagan sold this toejam to Saddam... right?
So you think Bush shouldn't fix the problem... right?
So you think America should walk away and let Saddam use his weapons coz they sold them to him and he has every right to murder and use his weapons of mass destruction... right?
Makes perfect sense.
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Originally posted by Toad
Has anyone noticed Boroda, Blitz and Babek all start with the letter "B".
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
;)
well you missed braffo (I was not able to find the "B" key at the time I was creating my account :D)
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And Buedel
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Or Bunked up
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Oh God I hope they are wrong on the smallpox part.
The US Army has been vaccinating soldiers who are deployed to certain locations against smallpox since at least the 1980's .
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Ok, so here is an absolutely terrifying subject. Not only that it shows that the German government tried to lie to its citizens to motivate the governments pacifist stand on the conflict in Iraq.
Now it has been proven that
a) Iraq does (according to German intel) indeed pose a most serious threat to Europe, and
b) the German government lied about that threat to score political points.
Some might say that this is alarming indeed. In fact, the conclusion that Iraq does have smallpox virus, that it is documented knowledge that Iraq has biological weapons is about as omnious as news can be. Frankly, it doesnt get much worse than that.
Now take a look at the hippies that were out protesting last week and how they are reacting to this FACT...some might say that you are trying to avoid the real isse...I'll simply say that you disgust me, you are either naive idots or despicable cowards and your behavior puts us all at danger.
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Actually I'm pretty surprised that Iraq has smallpox. I was pretty certain somebody had it but I didn't think that Iraq had it too. What is significant about this is that this is one bug that nobody gave them . This is an indication of the level of diligence at which it's biological weapon procurement network functioned at one time .
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i believe somwere else there were acusations we sold them the anthrax by we i mean reagan/bush during the iran/iraq war.
and hearing yall talk about propaganda is really sad. almost everything you post is some sort of repub/religious roadkill with no founding in reality. i.e. propaganda.
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Originally posted by Suave
The US Army has been vaccinating soldiers who are deployed to certain locations against smallpox since at least the 1980's .
Im safe, screw the rest of your fuggers. :D
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almost everything you post is some sort of repub/religious roadkill with no founding in reality. i.e. propaganda.
Talk about roadkill!
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I'll simply say that you disgust me, you are either naive idots or despicable cowards and your behavior puts us all at danger.
The bold word is a word you will have to not use to call others...
until you grab an assault rifle and go there in Iraq to show your balls.
The US soldiers there have balls
Even the human shields, wich choise i disagree, show balls.
You just type your hate on a keyboard, safely in your house, better, in you office payed by citizen's tax.
:D
You are not in the position to call someone coward.
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Originally posted by Naso
(1) The US soldiers there have balls
(2) Even the human shields, wich choise i disagree, show balls.
(1) No, they have a job to do. "Balls" has nothing to do with it.
(2) "Balls" and Stupidity are often confused.
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boys an girls.....we all agree that Iraq does have Bio-weapons right...there's no hiding that fact.....
question 1..
would saddam use those weapons?
answer..
he already did before....and he warned he would use em again.
question 2
if he says he would use em again...doesn't that mean he STILL has em:eek:
question 3
would you use bio-weapons do defend your own homeland....
answer
come on now....you know you would:D
on a serious note:...we gotta find those barrels of bio-chit
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
(1) No, they have a job to do. "Balls" has nothing to do with it.
(2) "Balls" and Stupidity are often confused.
No, Saurd, I explain better:
(1) They are volunteers, they will do thir job, and risk their life for the oath they made, this means, to have the courage to do the things, ACTIVELY, and not type word.
(2) I disagree with them, but someone that think different it's not stupid, he just think different, and in this case too, they have the balls to put their life in risk to mantain their ideas (even if wrong in my book).
I will never call someone coward (well, except to provoke ;) ), because I think that to call names on someone you have to be sure to not deserve the same definition. ;)
There's a saying here, i translate it litteral:
"The bull calling horned the donkey"
I hope make sense in english.
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Originally posted by Naso
There's a saying here, i translate it litteral:
"The bull calling horned the donkey"
I hope make sense in english.
Nope, sorry, that doesnt make sense at all.
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Naso, your English is better than most Americans/Brits on this BBS. :)
That said - I understand where youre going with this now.
I agree that someone typing on a computer at work doesnt have the same perspective as a front line soldier, yet sometimes those detahced opinions are worth listening to.
Also, I described the Human Targets as "stupid" not because I dont agree with them, but because you have to be a complete moron to blindly believe in anything so stongly that youre willing to wait underneath a 2000 pound warhead in order to "prove a point."
The only groups of people I can think of that are THAT committed to an idea they "think" they understand, I dont like. I am reminded of WWII era Japanese, the SS "Kinder" divisions, and fanatical religious groups when I envision that level of devotion.
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Propaganda?
Let us see how well government propaganda has affected everyone on this board.
I did a search on this forum for "Iraq."
One year ago and older, there were no matches.
One year ago and earlier there were 255 threads matching it.
Saddam Hussein, 1 year ago and older, had 26 threads.
One year ago and earlier there are 143 Saddam Hussein threads.
Why wasn't anyone calling for the ousting of Saddam one year ago? It couldn't be that most people are mindless sheep that jump on the administration's bandwagon and blindly believe what they have to say?
Nah...
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cause de monkey says so....so they follow the monkey:p
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Naso, if I understand correctly your saying, the American equivalent saying is:
"The pot calling the kettle black"
Now the English... ah who the hell knows what the crazy Brits say !! ;)
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Originally posted by Naso
Even the human shields, wich choise i disagree, show balls.
Some time ago someone posted a supposedly real story about the guy who (on a dare) placed his balls in a golf ball cleaning machine.
You can say he "had" (pun intended) balls. Not for long though, It took a hundred of stiches to close the gaping hole.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Naso, your English is better than most Americans/Brits on this BBS. :)
Thank you :)
[quoteThat said - I understand where youre going with this now.
I agree that someone typing on a computer at work doesnt have the same perspective as a front line soldier, yet sometimes those detahced opinions are worth listening to.[/quote]
Well I am not exactly saying this, just pointing the fact that in this week in this boards, there has been a lot of name calling, but the fact that is disturbing for me is to call coward the above people, it's a.... miscalling (?) :)
Also, I described the Human Targets as "stupid" not because I dont agree with them, but because you have to be a complete moron to blindly believe in anything so stongly that youre willing to wait underneath a 2000 pound warhead in order to "prove a point."
Prove a point....
I dont know if this is what they want anyway, they can be naive thinking their life can be evaluated by the powers involved more than nothing, they for sure are placing a bet that I will not place, but they are for sure cowards... NOT.
The only groups of people I can think of that are THAT committed to an idea they "think" they understand, I dont like. I am reminded of WWII era Japanese, the SS "Kinder" divisions, and fanatical religious groups when I envision that level of devotion.
Wow, good examples ;)
Let's try some more example:
- The founder fathers of your country, they believed in their values.
- The first christians, they believed in a religion of love.
- The people that fought to free their country by a foreign invader.
- The founder fathers of my country, they believed in a dream forgotten more than 1.000 year before.
They were people ready to sacrifice their life for their ideals, and I respect them.
Now we are facing a new type of man, a type that has always been present, but that now has become the model.
The Sheep.
And I have not respect for him.
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Originally posted by mietla
Some time ago someone posted a supposedly real story about the guy who (on a dare) placed his balls in a golf ball cleaning machine.
You can say he "had" (pun intended) balls. Not for long though, It took a hundred of stiches to close the gaping hole.
Meitla, what was his handicap?
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Naso, if I understand correctly your saying, the American equivalent saying is:
"The pot calling the kettle black"
Now the English... ah who the hell knows what the crazy Brits say !! ;)
Yeah, seem almost the same meaning.
:)
Thank, I have to remember it (eh eh, BBS, best language school :) ).
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Originally posted by mietla
Some time ago someone posted a supposedly real story about the guy who (on a dare) placed his balls in a golf ball cleaning machine.
You can say he "had" (pun intended) balls. Not for long though, It took a hundred of stiches to close the gaping hole.
:) eh eh Mietla ;)
LOL airhead :D
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don't forget
BLO
Originally posted by Toad
Has anyone noticed Boroda, Blitz and Babek all start with the letter "B".
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
;)
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With my "I don't like bad news but i listen to them" shield acctivated i'm mostly immun against propaganda wheter it's comin from the outa left or the neo conservative side.
Shield in "off mode" is only happening lookin in the mirror at morn after 4 hours sleep and some beer lately :D
Regards Blitz
The worlds history is full of Propanda toejam like Bush is telling us, don't fall for it.
Mercy asked and given
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Originally posted by Airhead
Meitla, what was his handicap?
Before the accedent-
two under (his dick)
After
he is on a par now.
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Originally posted by Naso
Now we are facing a new type of man, a type that has always been present, but that now has become the model.
The Sheep.
And I have not respect for him.
I sort of agree, except it's not a new type of man. He's been here all along.
And he's always been on BOTH sides of just about every fence.
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Originally posted by UserName
Propaganda?
Let us see how well government propaganda has affected everyone on this board.
Last night I was asking myself if I was manipulated by the hype about Iraq offered by Bush and the media...I didn't think so until I asked myself the question: 'Why do I so dislike that Simon guy in that talent competition'? I've never watched the show but for some reason I want to punch this guys lights out...
When I learned of the truth about the Tonkin Gulf incident I learned to never blindly trust anything any administration offers as truth....that goes for damn near anything offered as 'news' nowadays.
Grains of salt should be liberaly sprinkeled when listening to either the media or an administrations 'facts'.
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Originally posted by mietla
Before the accedent-
two under (his dick)
After
he is on a par now.
ROFLMAO Well, I hope he finished the round :)
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Originally posted by Toad
I sort of agree, except it's not a new type of man. He's been here all along.
And he's always been on BOTH sides of just about every fence.
Naso wrote:
a type that has always been present
And you're right, is and was everywhere.
To be a sheep is easy, you can sit confortably in your place, you are spared the efforts to think, or decide.
You just have to buy what you are told to buy, to do what you are told to do, to think what you are told to think, to hate who you are told to hate.
Easy life.