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Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 19, 2003, 04:36:29 AM: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/02/19/germany.trial/index.html

Unbelivable....
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Duedel on February 19, 2003, 04:54:21 AM: you're welcome
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: StSanta on February 19, 2003, 06:54:25 AM: Grünherz, penalties in most European countries is very lax by American standards. You can kill someone and be out in a couple of years. Here, a life sentence lets you sit 15 years - then out and kill more. It's sad.

Also we use professional jurors, and establishing guilt is in many cases harder than in the US.

He got the harshest possible punishments for what the state could *prove* against him. German law doesn't allow harser punishment for what he was convicted of. Disagree with this you may, but Germany is a sovereign state and allowed to have its own criminal justice system.

I believe our laws need to be augmented to cover mass murders like this, but that is just me.

The US could work for an extradiction and try the guy when he is released from German jail. There'd be some issues, like serving twice for one offence, but I am sure it can be worked around with some bogus charge or something
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Suave on February 19, 2003, 07:07:07 AM: What country was that guy in who admitted to stabbing his daughter to death and only got 6 years for it ?
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 19, 2003, 07:23:41 AM: 15 years is almost 2 days per life...

I don't know about the stabbing, but some lady in Texas just got 20 years for accidentally running over her lyin', cheatin', son-of-a-squeak husband twice... or was it three times?
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: JimBear on February 19, 2003, 07:42:40 AM: Accidently? What kind of drugs are you on? Ohh I forgot Adultery is a captial offense if your a guy.
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 19, 2003, 08:40:59 AM: Well at least they convicted him... Lets see what kind of a jihadi he will after devoting the next 15 years of life to study of Koran a paid for by german taxpayers..
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Fishu on February 19, 2003, 11:01:38 AM: I just wonder why was he convicted in germany about something which happened in US?
Shouldn't it been dealt in US court, handed over by germans..?
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Krusher on February 19, 2003, 11:18:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
I just wonder why was he convicted in germany about something which happened in US?
Shouldn't it been dealt in US court, handed over by germans..?

probably wouldnt extradite him because of death penalty issues..
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: hawk220 on February 19, 2003, 01:26:43 PM: well, maybe this guy will fall on a shiv in the shower a few dozen times...
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: SLO on February 19, 2003, 01:30:42 PM: justice.....german style has been served.....wtg Germany!!!
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: devious on February 19, 2003, 01:32:58 PM: I certainly hope they don`t release him prematurely.

Now would you care to pick up the soap, please?

Such a juicy handsome guy.
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: funkedup on February 19, 2003, 02:33:12 PM: I don't know much about German prison culture, but if was imprisoned in the US he would have a life expectancy of a few hours.
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: StSanta on February 20, 2003, 08:19:34 AM: Funked, there is a marked difference between how prisoners are treated in the US and in affluent European countries.

Here, we say that being robbed of freedom is the punishment. Living in a toejamhole being constantly raped or threatened isn't. That Americans cannot or will not enforce the law within their own prisons is a shame. Someone once said that a country should be judged by how the prison population is treated. Interesting. I totally disagree with the US 'they deserve to get anally raped every day' attitude - even if it is a tacit acknowledgement. It shouldn't be there at all - a society is supposed to be better than the lowest scum it contains.

There is also a much larger emphasis on rehabilitation where possible. And sentences aren't nearly as tough.

And so far, we haven't needed stricter sentences. I believe the law should be augmented, so that people like Lundin (killed his girlfriend and her two kids, cut them up, disposed of them) would never be out again. Well, with Lundin that wouldn't have been an issue if the US had taken care of him when he killed his mother when he lived there.

Anyway, the Danish society has no need for law such as three offenses = automatic imprisonment til you're dead. We're getting by without and crime rate is relatively low despite humane treatment of prisoners and relatively short sentences.

But it cannot handle extreme cases, like terrorists or serial murderers. They can be kept indefinitely if they are judged to be mentally insane, but not otherwise. So in these cases, a special sentence would be welcomed.

Lunding will be out in 12 years. He's killed four so far, including his own mother. Think he'll stop?
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Suave on February 20, 2003, 09:47:05 AM: Santa, you have to consider the problems of having the third largest national population in the world .
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Fridaddy on February 21, 2003, 12:24:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by StSanta
Here, we say that being robbed of freedom is the punishment. Living in a toejamhole being constantly raped or threatened isn't. That Americans cannot or will not enforce the law within their own prisons is a shame.

StSanta.... I take offence to your comments. I doubt very seriously you have ever been inside a US Prison. Can you tell me what "shithole" you have been in? Where do you get your information? Gemeral comments made by ignorant people on the net, or really being there? What facilities are you speaking of or is this a general comment about...about somewhere you havent been and do not know about.

I have walked the tiers and the yard with the worst of the worst. I can say for a fact its not like that.

The we do not enforce the law inside is an INSULT to every Correction Officer/Deputy in the USA. The laws are enforced even more on the inside and the prisoners have every right as freepersons. The facility I worked in has 4000 inmates, and I have only heard of 1, count it ONE sexual assualt in the past year.
Title: Thank You Germany.... 15 YEARS!!!!!
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2003, 12:31:38 AM: I would not be a bit suprised if this guy trips and breaks his neck within weeks of being released from prison.

Or is in a fatal auto accident or something similar.