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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on July 28, 2000, 02:59:00 PM
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My description of the padlock system wasn't great but covered most of it. There are some finer details that haven't been set yet and can't be commented on too much. I had an error in my initial description that stated if you switched to your regular views while in padlock, it would return to the last view the locked-up plane was in. That is incorrect, if you start using views to look around at other stuff while in padlock, you have to manually reaquire your target with your views for padlock to become active again. Padlock does have a max range. Selecting or switching targets is done through keys, but to padlock or switch, the target has to be in your current view and in range of the minimum padlock range. Friendlies can also be padlocked if desired.
Basically, this implementation of the padlock system has been an easy one for HT to write. I haven't played with it much but right now my main concern is whether it will be useful enough. I'm not the best judge of that since I don't prefer padlocks, but we'll know soon enough. I can't ever see myself using it, but then I don't even use the "crutch" of a joystick with view hats and can't really see myself ever switching to that.
Anyway, you're just going to have to wait and see. Y2K didn't end the world, maybe we can buck the odds and go 2 for 2 this year. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Other questions are on the Lancaster. The Lancaster we're modeling is a late Mk III. The maximum bomb size will be the 4000 lb cookie and the maximum bombload is 14000 pounds. Sorry, no tall boys or grand slams. This plane is equipped with the Rose-Rice tail turret (2 x .50). This armament became popular late in the war as Lancasters were moved back into the daylight role due to the Allied air superiority.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Thanks for the clarification Pyro.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Any idea when we can get a look at the Lanc? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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So if you have a view selected, the padlock can lock on to an airplane, even if you don't see it?
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Darn. Hysterical speculation is much more fun without any facts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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Funked,
based on what they've said so far, if it is blocked from view by terrain, clouds, smoke or your structure, the padlock won't work. If its not blocked by one of those, the big neon, come kill me sign insures that you'll see it. Thus you can't target anything that you can't see.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I doubt it, Funked. If you can't see it, then it would be out of range of the padlock anyway.
LOL Popeye, you beat me to it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by banana (edited 07-28-2000).]
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So, if I padlock on a enemy plane it will just blow up? Is that what your saying Pyro?
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Yeager
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[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 07-28-2000).]
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Lol Yeager!
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Originally posted by Yeager:
So, if I padlock on a enemy plane it will just blow up? Is that what your saying Pyro?
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Yeager
No, No, No.
Pyro is saying all ya have to do is look in the general direction of a con, padlock him, and he and at least 5 of the closest enemy planes blow up, rewarding the kills to you, as well as the nearest enemy field is captured and awarded to you.
Sheeeesh, some people just can't read.
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um....padlock can be disorienting.
In other sims (EAW) I generally switch back and forth between padlock view and front view....to keep an eye on my orientation and the dials......
Sounds like this will not be possible with the Aces High padlock.
"I had an error in my initial description that stated if you switched to your regular views while in padlock, it would return to the last view the locked-up plane was in. That is incorrect, if you start using views to look around at other stuff while in padlock, you have to manually reaquire your target with your views for padlock to become active again."
I see the future.....I see plenty pilots flying into the ground while in padlock view. I see pilots getting really target fixated cos they dont wanna look elsewhere cos they'll lose the lock. We'll see.
Swoop
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Originally posted by Swoop:
um....padlock can be disorienting.
In other sims (EAW) I generally switch back and forth between padlock view and front view....to keep an eye on my orientation and the dials......
Sounds like this will not be possible with the Aces High padlock.
"I had an error in my initial description that stated if you switched to your regular views while in padlock, it would return to the last view the locked-up plane was in. That is incorrect, if you start using views to look around at other stuff while in padlock, you have to manually reaquire your target with your views for padlock to become active again."
I see the future.....I see plenty pilots flying into the ground while in padlock view. I see pilots getting really target fixated cos they dont wanna look elsewhere cos they'll lose the lock. We'll see.
Swoop
Swoop, you misunderstand.
If you PL a plane, and move your head with your manual controls, and the plane drops out of your FOV, then you have to reacquire the view of the plane manually for the PL to start working again.
You are free to manually move your head about as always.
Better?
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
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tanks+padlock hummm I might have fun with this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Skuzzy.
I believe you have misunderstood what I mean.
You're right in saying that if a padlocked plane moves out of my FOV (by me moving the view) then the padlock is gone and I would have to re-aquire. No argument. What I'm saying is that to remain in full control of the plane (and to keep up some SA) I would have to move the view back to forward view, etc, which would move the padlocked plane out of FOV therefore breaking the padlock.
I like to flick back and forth very quickly between forward view and padlock view so that I am always fully aware of my aircrafts orientation/speed/etc. This cannot be done with the Aces High padlock system.
better?
Swoop
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Originally posted by Yeager:
So, if I padlock on a enemy plane it will just blow up? Is that what your saying Pyro?
LOL! Well, it's not quite like that and that's why I wonder whether it will be effective enough. Currently the way HT has it set it up, you have to press another button after padlocking a target to detonate the padlocked target. Personally, I think that's a superfluous button push that detracts from the padlock's usefulness. I don't see where you would want to padlock a victim and not blow him up, so why require an extra button push? But that's something that HT and I disagree on and it could be different in the final form.
Swoop, I know what you're saying and I apologize for the original misinformation on that. I just got an idea that might solve that problem easily. I'll run by HT.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Is this anything like the "Evil Capt. Kirks death button? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Can we see a Martin mid-upper on the Lancaster as well(50 late production Mk III were fitted with them)? Will the Lancaster have a day or night paintscheme?
Will the rear turret have AGLT radar? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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So if I'm padlocked I will have to manually reaquire the target every time I want to check my speed? How would a person check their instruments every few seconds during a fight?
TS
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Originally posted by Tailslide:
So if I'm padlocked I will have to manually reaquire the target every time I want to check my speed? How would a person check their instruments every few seconds during a fight?
TS
By flying by the seat of their pants! Use the physical cues to orient your plane to the bogey. Note the way yer head is turned upon yer neck and which way yer nose is pointing. That will help you orient to the dash instruments. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
For what it's worth, wait until it comes out and your questions will be answered. Then it can be criticized based on observation instead of suposition inferance and SWAGS (silly wild prettythang guesses). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheeze guys give Pyro a break! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Mav
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heh.. better yet, avoid the PL all together. I am no "realism freak", but I find it (for myself) extremely lazy to expect a padlock feature to do my work for me.. namely keeping track of where an enemy plane is. Half the fun (and frustration) of dogfighting is to have to use your wits, memory, visual acuity, etc. to track your opponent, ie; "o.k., he's over my left shoulder.. ummm.. if I look to my gauges, I will probably have to look over my left shoulder again... ummm.. he's not there! (frantically looks around to reacquire target) Ah-Hah! There's the bugger!" A bit more realistic, and waaaaaay less like a cheesy arcade game. Obviously the PL being optional should suit everyone, which is the bottom line I guess. AH is my first sim, and for kicks I tried brand W once... besides being unimpressed in relation to AH, I tried the PL and found it to be quite annoying. Manually tracking opponents is just another part of the adrenaline rush that is AH... for me anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Skorpyon
~900th Bloody Jaguars~
"Feel the Sting......"
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I don't follow the board I was surprised to hear about padlock getting added. I'll shut up and wait (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Re: padlock being realistic I believe a well implemented padlock would be much more realistic, but its like debating religion and politics (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
REAL men don't need wimpy hat views, they're a crutch ! When do we get the long awaited .lookleft and .lookright commmands???
TS
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I've always felt that view hats were a logical make-up for the lack of real time peripherial vision...in our normal vision, we have 'view hats' built in, with peripherial vision and a turn of the head...with a monitor, you have neither. View hats give them back to you.
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You should see what Padlock is stirring up on the WWIIOnline UBB. There is a FA Cat "Avenger" man I don't think I want his type in the sim.
Unless of course he is cursed to continually fly in front of me at convergence.
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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I hate to bring that thread here but my passion is WWII aircombat/online flying and I tend to try to watch or particpate in many different communities of the different sims.
This guy, kid, idiot, whatever was one of the worst characters I've ever had the displeasure to watch a community have to suffer. Mostly in Fighter Ace and then some troll & trash talk in a couple of private AirWarrior newsgroups.
I spent some time playing a war of words and insults with him but he gets his kicks that way as that type of activity pollutes a communities environment.
And his textual attacks are quite frequently aimed at the game company itself for not seeing things his way. A side effect is he gets the gullible 13 yr olds all riled up and it turns ugly.
This is something WB's and AH usualy did, or does, not have to deal with as neither sim is a "game" and niether is trying to attract the low budget entertainment crowd. The crowd which is wrife with these kind of people.
-Westy
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The Lancaster carries 14,000 llbs of bombs? WOW!
Ignorance can be bliss, I though the B17 could carry more weight in bombs than the Lancaster.
I guess I was fooled because of the B17 bristling with 10 guns. so I thought it was the largest Allied bomber until the B-29. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I believe the B-29 carried more weight in bombs than the Lancaster??
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Since we have to be able to select a plane for padlock anyway, could we send a 6 call to the selected guy with one keystroke? Switch to his private channel with him and bring up the radio buffer with another keystroke?
You don't want the other sim to have a feature that you cannot match, do you?
moko--
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+:
The Lancaster carries 14,000 llbs of bombs? WOW!
Ignorance can be bliss, I though the B17 could carry more weight in bombs than the Lancaster.
I guess I was fooled because of the B17 bristling with 10 guns. so I thought it was the largest Allied bomber until the B-29. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I believe the B-29 carried more weight in bombs than the Lancaster??
[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 08-04-2000).]
Okay here's my question as i am still a relative newbie to the flightsim community, but is the b-24 lancaster the same as the b-24 Liberator only the RAF version? If so, yes it had a heavier bombload than the b-17 for sure, but i believe it was a lot slower, (B-17 being relatively fast for a heavy bomber) as for the bombload on the B-29, i read on an Air Force websight that it had a 20,000 pound bombload, and some of the armament that i can recall was 2x20mm tail gun, with turrets controlled remotely by a central fire control station ( and you feared OTTO?)
As for the "Padlock" system, I can't wait for it, for i will take great Joy in Smiting the Padlock Dweeb who shalt be "locked" on his target, forgetething the holy "SA"
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Hamish!
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ahh.. nevermind. best of luck all.
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Take heart TS,
The beauty of this whole thing is that if ya got some kind of disagreement, ya get to shoot the bastids down in flames... where the *guns* do all the talking.
Regarding the padlock... it's gonna be interesting. On the one hand, they are taking steps to make this un-God-like. On the otherhand, they still gotta make this thing functional. I get the sense that they are wrestling even now about it.
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doh! Shouldn't have edited yer post TS. It was perfectly valid.
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Hi Nash! Not going to piss off everyone on the forum my first week here I'll save that for next week (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
TS
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Hamish,
The Lancaster was a native made (except for those that were made in Canada) British bomber, not a B-24. It was lightly armed compared to a B-17 or even a B-24 but was used mainly at night. The heaviest bombload in WWII was carried by Lancaster Specials and could consist of up to a single 22,000lb bomb. Lancaster Specials had only the tail guns for defense. The advatages that the B-29 had over the Lancaster were many, such as 350mph with 20,000lbs of bombs internally. The B-29 was presurized and MUCH better armed. The Lancaster also could not reach 25,000ft in altitude. The Lancaster MkI was powered by 4 1280hp Merlin engines and could do 275mph. A Lancaster MkIII was powered by 4 1460hp Merlin engines or 4 1640hp Packard Merlin 28,38 or 224 engines.
Like the B-17 the Lancaster had a reputation for being tough. The Lancaster received the best review EVER given by the RAF to a new aircraft when Avro delivered the first Lancaster in 1941.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I was just looking at a S-Sugar profile shot...lol...notice it's side markings are POS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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hamish lancaster had largest payload of any bomber in euro theatre i think.(sure i read it somwhere)
as to th veiw hat..i hope it will be possible to use the hat veiws as they are now as i think they are the best ive seen in any sim so far.padlock veiw is exellent in migalley and i use it always so having one in AH will be great.I hope i have just misunderstood and the hat will remain the same if prefered.