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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sabre on February 19, 2003, 02:18:05 PM
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I feel the need for speed. Late war ETO using the excellent Rhine terrain. Plane-set is as follows:
Allies: P-51D, P-47D-30, P-38L, Spit-IX, Typhoon, Mossie, B-26, A-20G, B-17 and Lanc-III (two rear bases), C-47, Pnzr-IV, Osty, all the M's
Axis:
bf109G2/6/10, Me110G-2, Fw190A8/F8/D9, Ju87, Ju88, C-47, Ta152 (only at fields east of the Rhine), Pnzr-IV, Tiger, Osty, all the M's
Downtimes:
30 min for ack, 15 for hangers, 30 for other field objects, 60 for field towns, 120 for strat targets, strat disabled.
The RAF aircraft will be limited to two Allied fields in the North, while the heavy bombers will be limited to two Allied airfields behind the front. Only the Tiger will be perked, at about 15 points. I may enable Me163's at one or two of the rear-most LW bases (Schweinfurt, for example), as a means of aiding their last-ditch defense against a reset. Still considering that. I believe the map is large enough that it would marginalize its use until the front line was more or less on top of them.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Can we start this today ?
Currently the Burma setup is a CT KILLER.
It obviously does not appeal to many people, all week i dont think i have seen it break 10 people playing.
This kinda makes it hard to find a fight cos half of a country are likely to be in GV's which means if your lucky 2 or 3 may actually be flying.
At this time there is NOBODY playing in the CT and 30 mins ago there was a grand total of 3 "playing" well i say playing cos they were all on the same side !
Perhaps the previous weeks of this month have spoilt me as there was never a lack of targets until Burma was loaded up.
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Can we start this today ?
Currently the Burma setup is a CT KILLER.
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No. In fact, I find it quite the opposite. The matchups are interesting and the map is fantastic. I find myself enjoying the CT more than ever with the current setup.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I am happy with Burma.
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i myself don't really care for the burma setup, but it sure as hell beats the ma, imho...so i won't whine. :rolleyes:
next setup sounds sweeeeeeeeetttttttttttt! too bad my 109f4 won't be there. :rolleyes:
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Their were 43 people in last night.
Almost 60 at one point this weakend.
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Originally posted by brady
Their were 43 people in last night.
Almost 60 at one point this weakend.
Seen 51, 40s, and even 90 once.
I've enjoyed Burma immensely, think it is one of the more balanced setups. The upcoming fight will be a nice change of pace though.
Sakai
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I like Burma.
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Dont misunderstand me i do like Burma and the plane set, but i am fed up with the low numbers, tonight in the end was better with a grand total of 16 players.
Was fun no lack of fights to be found, perhaps its just the time zone i fly in.
It was very noticeable with the previous setups that a lot more people were flying them in my time zone.
If your getting over 40 people playing in CT then i envy you all those targets.
Having made a decision to not play in the MA at all this month, then i go to CT and find nobody playing or all on 1 side I figure its time to comment on it.
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Havent been motivated to fly MA myself.
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Will perk points be reset? Only fair thing to do if you are going to use the perk system. Thanks
Duke
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The only thing perked is the Tiger, most people dont have a ton of GV perks, and German Tanks were Much better than US or Brit tanks for the most part during this timeframe, be thankfull HTC did not model the Panther or King Tiger:)
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Ponys, Jugs, Lightnings, against Gustuvs, Butcher Birds, Doras, and TA's.......YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! TYTYTY!:D
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I've been meaning to say that AH could use the Sherman tank (and it's minimum perked* Firefly variant) for quite some time. Remind me to someday. ;)
Originally posted by brady
The only thing perked is the Tiger, most people dont have a ton of GV perks, and German Tanks were Much better than US or Brit tanks for the most part during this timeframe, be thankfull HTC did not model the Panther or King Tiger:)
*maybe close to the Tiger Perk points
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FireFly would be Nice to be shure, I beleave the 17pounder actualy had better pentration the the Tiger 88. But the Firefly was easy meat for the 75mm Panzer IV gun.
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No perked Spitfire Mk XIV?:(
Some day I want to use that aircraft when it isn't just fighting Me262s and Ta152s.
I don't know where the idea that it is a mid-1945 fighter came from, but for Spit XIV fans it is frusterating. It was in service long, long before the Fw190D-9, and was built in greater numbers.
Put it at one base, perk it at 5 or 10 and wipe our fighter perks to 0. It is already crippled by it's type specific icon in a way it was not in reality. But the thing was in theatre and was being used heavily.
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So was the Tempest.
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There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.
The Ta152 won't hang with the Tempest considering all their attributes in the aggregate? (I don't fly either one).
Sakai
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No way the Tempest is much fater ans climbs much better at low alts. Plus it seems our Ta152H is wierd because it models the extra 1000 lbs of the H-1 model but seems to have only the performance of an H-0.
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I say free Spit14s.
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d9, g10 and the ta152 but no spit XIV? lol!
EDIT:
I don't know why you guys don't call this the anti-spit arena.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.
The only problem with this GRUNHERZ is that every time they do it they put such a low price on the 262 that the Allies are fighting nothing but 262s by the end of the second day.
That is the problem I have with all the setups that have included the Spitfire Mk XIV. I was only fighting jets. I wan't to use it against early, mid and late 1944 German props, the fighters it most commonly faced in reality.
Frankly, with a free Bf109G-10 and a free Fw190D-9, the Germans don't need anything to counter a Spitfire Mk XIV perked at 10 and a Tempest Mk V perked at 20. I don't know about Bf109G-10 production totals using the engine that our Bf109G-10 uses, but I do know that the same number of Tempest Mk Vs were built as Fw190D-9 and more Spitfire Mk XIVs were built than of either of those.
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Production numbers are not revelent when diciding plane choices.
Preformance, on all levals is.
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Originally posted by brady
Production numbers are not revelent when diciding plane choices.
Preformance, on all levals is.
i'd call spit14 and 109g10 a very even matchup.
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Originally posted by Shane
i'd call spit14 and 109g10 a very even matchup.
For you honchos, it might be. For us average players, it's a no-contest matchup. Put the Spit 14 into this mix, and that's all you're likely to see flying on the Allied side.
- oldman (not to mention that I will be flying, yet again, for the outnumbered Axis side)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
For you honchos, it might be. For us average players, it's a no-contest matchup. Put the Spit 14 into this mix, and that's all you're likely to see flying on the Allied side.
- oldman (not to mention that I will be flying, yet again, for the outnumbered Axis side)
i'd much rather see spit14's than spit9's. two totally different beasts. spit14 is like a very torquey p51d with better climb and acceleration.
plus, 1/2 the goombas wouldn;t have much of a clue as to how to fly a spit14 properly. now tempests otoh, would be all that's seen if enabled at too low a cost. if temps are around, i'd like to see them cost about 20-30 perks to keep them manageable... maybe even higher 40-50. spit14 could be fine at 3-10 perkies.
if 262's... i'd say 50-100 perkies and limited to further rear bases.
maybe arados at 20-30 perkies.
we need something to spend CT perkies on... and i agree that perkies should be reset each time time something is enabled as a perk, even tigers.
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so it's ok when the Allieds have to fly against nothing but Me262s after the first day?
There are enough Mustang, Jug and Lightning fans to counter the Spitfire fans (and those that just refuse to fly anything else) to where even a light perk won't result in Spit XIV's everywhere.
Anyways, here is the Spit XIV and relevant planes to this setup that were introduced after the Spit XIV.
(Spit XIV - March 1944)
(Tempest V - May 1944)
P-38L - July 1944
P-47D-30 - October 1944
bf109G-10 - March 1944
fw190F-8 - March 1944
(Me262) - July 1944
fw190D-9 - September 1944
Ta-152H - February 1945
Not my setup though, so this is just opinion. Karnak, my next Snapshot I write will be Spit XIVs against something. I promise. :)
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The CT staff has discussed the Spit-IV issue at length, taking into consideration the views and opinions of you, the CT community. I will enable the Spitfire Mk-XIV (instead of the Mk-IX) at the two British bases I'll be setting up in the northern sector of Allied territory. No perks required. I will not be enabling the Tempest. I will re-evaluate this decision on Monday, to determine if the Mk-XIV's inclusion is detracting from overall gameplay or not.
I have to work today, and will not be able to set up the arena until approximately 2000 EST. So get your P-40/A6M fix before than:). As always, thank you for your feedback.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Will perk points be reset? Only fair thing to do if you are going to use the perk system.
I hope not! Some guys fly in a day what I do in a weeks. It takes me a long time to earn my perk points.
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Spitfire XIV was in service operationally in January 1944 with No.610 Sqn, based at Exeter.
By September 1944 the Tempest and Spitfire XIV were the two most important air superiority fighters operated on the continent by the 2nd ATAF, which comprised RAF and RCAF Wings.
Just some info.
Regards.
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Thanks for listening and be flexible, Sabre!
I like to fly the P-51B and the P-47D11 and -25 more than the later models. Any chance those planes could be enabled as well? I don't think they would be unbalancing; but would add more variety and plane choices. I'm pretty sure these models would've still been flown alongside the newer versions during this time frame.
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Thanks for listening Sabre. If it hurts gameplay, I'll understand it being switched out for the Spitfire Mk IX.
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No problem...just trying to give the best AH experience I can for all. Hope it doesn't take me too long to set this up when I get home. Got a going-away bash for a friend to get to;).
Sabre
CT Staff
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No way the Tempest is much fater ans climbs much better at low alts. Plus it seems our Ta152H is wierd because it models the extra 1000 lbs of the H-1 model but seems to have only the performance of an H-0.
I am ignorant of actual plane performance for the most part so I believe what you say, it is just that the Ta-152 has such a reputation and the Tempest does not. You know? I would have thought the 152 was a better dogfighter while the Tempest was faster and that both accelerated well.
That modeling thing could be corrected sometime, no?
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sabre
The CT staff has discussed the Spit-IV issue at length, taking into consideration the views and opinions of you, the CT community. I will enable the Spitfire Mk-XIV (instead of the Mk-IX) Sabre
CT Staff
Yeah, but no La7, I knew it, no one ever listens to me.
Sakai
Seriously, sounds reasonable and thanks for listening.
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The Burma scenario was the most fun I have had in AH for a long time :-). 10 out of 10 points.
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just a punt to say I noticed no problems with the Spitfire XIV being overly dominant as they were relegated to the two RAF bases. Most of the time I was in USAAF iron going against endless swarms of 109G-10s and the occasional Dora. Was a lot of fun, and ol' Shane smacked me down (the punk got rid of all his E to stay on me. shame on him! ;) ) Later in the evening, I went up to the RAF side of things and had some fun in the Spit XIV. It's a beastly plane, but the 109G-10 is a good match for it, and even a 110G-2 flown well can hang with it. I raked a 110 flown by Nuttz in a rolling scissors and swore I broke him in two so I broke off. It was just an engine fire and the next thing I know, 30 mm are ripping my Spit apart. :eek: The rest of the night was spent outnumbered, low and slow with the likes of Brady and Nuttz on me at the same time.
Overall, I think I had some of the best fights I've ever had in the 1944 setups. Anytime I flew the Spit XIV before, the sky was full of Me262s (or the Axis side was so understaffed I flew Axis.) The numbers were perfectly balanced both nights I flew over the weekend and I had a lot of fun, even though I lost a lot of planes. ;)
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agree, spit14 v 109g10 a very close match up. the spit14 isn't a "spit" like a spit9 or spit5 - it's a whole different beast.
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I treated it like a P-51D that can turn like a P-51B with combat flaps extended and faired well against most. My first death in the Spit XIV was a 700 yard miracle tailgunner shot from a 110. As soon as I heard the first ping, I went to disengage, but I heard 2 more pings then CRACK and there went the entire left wing! That was a 5 kill sortie down the drain. ;) Nuttz got me fair and square for another death. Then some guy got me in a 4 v 1. Then Brady got me in another outnumbered situation. Then Nuttz and Brady teamed me a little bit later. You just cannot make a mistake against 30mm when the guy is a good shot. ;)
I tell ya, that Spit XIV is a lot more fun than being in a P-51D when a 109 comes in with E... and the pilot is Shane or Vulcan. :) I couldn't get Shane even close to overshooting. I got Vulcan on the path to overshooting, but he got one hit in, and that's all it takes with the 30mm. Frustrating to always lose, but good fun in retrospect. :)
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TY Nifty I was lucky:)
Yes I compleatly over rated the Spit XIV, it is not the uber beast I expected it to be.