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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ASASIN on February 20, 2003, 12:50:20 AM
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81st squad knows its a bug that manable ack can't be killed. So they sit in all 3 manable acks at port 39. MTwd81st, Heff and usagirl.
This Shows what your squad is made of. Your actions represent your squad. To say hey its on boards everyone knows its a bug. so its okay to sit in gun, Is about as low as you can go in game. It saddens me to see a squad that had rep of being first in battle. Stoop to soo low.........
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We had the same problem at V69. Guy knew what he was doing and tried to justify his actions by saying "it's the first time I've ever done something like that".
Uh-huh. Right.
He told me I'd do it too if I had the chance. Hhmmm, maybe he knows me better than I know myself. Highly doubt it though.
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Voss dont like it when he dies by a simple map bug LOL. What a whiner
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Voss dont like it when he dies by a simple map bug LOL. What a whiner
It's the curse of the statpotato. (And generally having a high k/d ratio)
Some pilots fly to survive to such an extent that most deaths come from bugs, or just bad luck(i.e. instant 1-hit ack death).
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Originally posted by ASASIN
Now I see why you got another name. You were worried that Gpreddy might get banned for stuff like posting bug abuse instructions on the general board.
Very clever!
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Is this just at certain fields, or this entire map or what? I've never heard this before. I actually kinda enjoy using field acks sometimes just for fun, and I've been "kicked out" of them by enemy fire quite often.
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A lot were exploiting this bug tonight, guys that have been around since I started like Behindya and Turbo. To me, exploiting a known bug to gain an advantage is cheating and have sent the films it to HTC. To make it worse, there seemed to be a lot of new players trying out the game tonight (possible marketing promotion being done?) and they log on seeing this happening. I wonder how many will go away thinking AH is nothing but a bug ridden, cheater's paradise?
Ack-Ack
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Yes tonight sucked. Got to find out who the losers are. Seen one guy do it all night his name started with a S, something like striago or something. This is happening at all fields and when CVs and cruisers die there guns still work as well. AKAK dont suprize me Turbo would be one to do it. Thanks to the guys that didnt do it. I was hounden the guys doing it most of them stoped but others just didnt have the respect for the game. There has been alot of new guys on last couple days, where they all coming from?? Kind of nice feeling like a vetran:D
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It's a game guys, relax.It will be fixed today I'm sure. Just keep the CV's away from the never say die shore battery,lol. The guys like me should be complaining cause it effects field capture the most. You furballers should still have fun.
Again, it's just a game.
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I may have inadvertently 'exploited' this bug in the past because I didn't know about it. Are you sure the others mentioned knew about it? Here's a thought on this. If you are in one of these acks that can't be destroyed when manned, should you un-man it so the other side can kill it?
Until reading this post, I would have just thought I'm lucky they haven't killed my gun yet and kept firing away.
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I have to kinda agree with Gloves there... I have been playing for about 10 months now (yea I know.. my flying does not look like it.. ) and this is the first I have heard of this... I don't man the ack's much.. (can't hit squat with them either) but this is new to me......
mdbaker
XO - Commanding 106th Air Group
http://www.106thvag.org
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Originally posted by akak
...To make it worse, there seemed to be a lot of new players trying out the game tonight (possible marketing promotion being done?)...
You are correct. I received an email from HTC yesterday for another account I had to come back and try AH for free until March 15. It was a freebie account that never bought a subscription. There are going to be a lot of new people on.
Side note to HTC, the previous account was only temporary until I could get a billing problem sorted out (holiday and no one was in the office) and as a current member I will not abuse the offer and have unsubscribe from the list.
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Hey GhostRider2110, which part of Indiana are you from? I'm in Westfield.
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You gentlemen need to lighten up a bit. A lot of people were doing this in ships, SBs and acks. I lost a P-47 to a "dead" ack. Thereafter, I avoided flying low over enemy fields. No big deal. Later, I got my revenge - in spades. It's also true that a lot of guys didn't realize it was a bug. Even if they did, so what? Recently we had a reset bug in the CT that allowed people to fly late-war aircraft in an early-war scenario. Shane and I tried for hours to keep people in the aircraft listed in the MOTD. However, after running up against P-51s and C-Hogs over and over again, I said "screw it" and grabbed one too. The bug was fixed a few hours later.
I fully expect people to take advantage of a bug, and you had better expect it too. Why? Because, once it starts, there's no stopping it.
My regards,
Widewing
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I have to admit that today was the first time for me gunning since the update which brought us trinity, and i was dumbfounded when i was strafed by a typhoon and kept firing until i realized that my gunsight was missing. Didn't know what the deal was so i flipped on the recorder to send it to HTC (which i will do) and since i didnt know wha the deal was stayed in the gun (after all rook hoardes were attacking, and i was essentially the only effective defender for some time). It was made known to all where i was and what i was doing, and i admit i sat in it. I have noticed this bug (didnt know EXACTLY what it was) when i was flying over what i thought was a perfectly dead Vehicle base and found myself exploded (after all, i had deacked the field myself). Hopefully HTC will get it resolved, in the meantime, and i will speak for myself and my squadron, the U.S.M.C. that we will adhere to a code of honor and not use the already-dead field guns. Got that gloves
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Terre Haute Gloves
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The respondants to this thread are demonstrating the unigue class inherant to this genre. All you new guys take note! Dont post any comments that anyone might disagree with. Dont dare complain about anything. Dont mention score. If you do make sure you insult voss because that will make it okay.
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As a resident of Arizona.. I must tell you.. nobody ever got so much as a headache from a scorpion bite. No one... ever in the history of mankind has suffered any ill efects from a scorpion bite.
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It is not about Score. I could careless about score. There are ways to score in here. And Base taking (except for Goon or m3's ) is not the way to score.
This is about guys that knew it was bug and still continued to abuse bug. And as a matter of fact mtwd81st even wrote me in private. Hey its on boards so STFU. We will do it all night.
Meatwad your showing your IQ now it explains your squads actions IQ's below 6. Did not know that squad was so dumb. But I guess those with No Class will always abuse a game.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Got that gloves
I'm in full agreement with ya Golfer.
Just don't try to take my FM-2 away!!! :D
As I said, I didn't know about the bug until I read this post. Now that I've read it and know what's up, I simply won't man the acks. (Okay, so this isn't a sacrifice as I rarely do that anyway :p )
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MAW's are just as bad at abusing known bugs. Today AmReo is sitting in a *dead* field gun at V64. MAW leadership doesn't give a rats bellybutton either. (40DogMAW said "I dont approve or disapprove")
Abusing a known bug is cheating...period.
It's not like you can't know something is up either. I jumped into a field gun last night and the gun was laying in pieces on the ground. It had already been shot out. I pulled the trigger to see if it would fire and it did. Then I left the gun. (just as I left the gun I got credit for a kill, one of my rnds had hit a P-51 at 2.7k. Pure luck on my part as I didnt even try to aim, but it was really bad luck for the Mustang pilot, forget who it was :o )
Please fix this asap HTC, to many people have no integrity :rolleyes:
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
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This had happened once before that I remember (I think it was when 1.10 was first released). Hitech did something which involved a map reset and it was fixed. (I tried do a serch, but the archive doesn't go back that far.)
So this isn't a new bug - just one that has popped up again.
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Originally posted by Steve
As a resident of Arizona.. I must tell you.. nobody ever got so much as a headache from a scorpion bite. No one... ever in the history of mankind has suffered any ill efects from a scorpion bite.
http://wrbu.si.edu/www/stockwell/faq/sting.html#poisonous
heh
dh
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Completely predictable.
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Hey Horn.. that's from a scorpion STING. Want me to say it again?No-one has ever ben hurt from scorpion bite.
Sigh
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*snicker* *snicker*
Voss saying someone has no class.....mwuahaha!
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Originally posted by Elfie
MAW's are just as bad at abusing known bugs. Today AmReo is sitting in a *dead* field gun at V64. MAW leadership doesn't give a rats bellybutton either. (40DogMAW said "I dont approve or disapprove")
Get a grip ELF. It's a game dude. This is not reality. I was shot down several times yesterday by dead manable AAA as were many of my squad mates. I had 5 or 6 kills on each occurence. You didn't here me whining. We know it's a bug. We know HT will fix it. In the mean time stay away from manable guns. I might be there waiting for you........mmmmmuuuhhhhhaaaaa aaaa
40DogMAW
M.A.W. CO
Marine Air Wing (http://www.marineairwingah.homestead.com/enter.html)
(http://www.marineairwingah.homestead.com/files/MAW_Plaque.jpg)
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Love BiGB
P.s. THsi post has been sensored
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mmf quit ur whining and kick some arse....
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Honestly, I never knew this bug existed, 'til about yesterday.
I guess it turned out that it is undeniably an exploit. I was very surprised to be able to go in a destroyed manned ack and actually be able to shoot down stuff with it.
My apologies to the people that suffered from this:
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People purposely doing things to ruin fun of others is never right. Interesting to see same people taking similar positions here as another recent game bug thread, yes? Maps can be reset a lot easier than reputations.
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BGB.........you know I love you but saying you'll cheat as much as possible is not cool. Some might interpret that the wrong way. Also the use of so many colorful metaphors is not apropriate here either. Please take it easy. I don't need HT booting you. You're too valuable to the squad.
40DogMAW
M.A.W. CO
Marine Air Wing (http://www.marineairwingah.homestead.com/enter.html)
(http://marineairwingah.homestead.com/files/MAW_Plaque_B.gif)
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"Maps can be reset a lot easier than reputations."
great line.
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Originally posted by Innominate
It's the curse of the statpotato. (And generally having a high k/d ratio)
Some pilots fly to survive to such an extent that most deaths come from bugs, or just bad luck(i.e. instant 1-hit ack death).
Puhhhlease, don't let all of Voss' talk get to you... he's not that good.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
I will CHEAT as Much as Possible...
F U Guys...I dont give a CRAP>>>>
WHO is alive AND WHO IS DEAD!!???
If im alive then ...SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!! You are a loser..
Yes report bugs..get them fixed.....then STFU.....
Its a game...and is there rampant cheating here??..HELL NO!! there is not..and if there is ..over half the peopl suck who are cheating...
I always cheat...especially if that moo mother fuker Preddy is around...lololol...oo h hPreddy dont get your panties in a bunch,,Im just screwn around...
Elfie...and Ill hear your response.."Typical MAW"..ya ya...Im defntly going to cheat now..(hope i know how)..so i can keel ya..and hear u./.SQQUEEEEEEEEEE..(no offense to the SOG:))
anyways... Please no more personal attak guys this is not good for the game..
this thread is funny..... and I think all of you are funny.......lookin......hahah ah..Dam i make my self laff
Love
BiGB
xoxoxo
P.S. where is this gun again?..and hey can you guys forward the unlimited ammo code again??
If this idiocy goes unchecked its going to make HTC look very very bad.
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Originally posted by FortyDog
Get a grip ELF. It's a game dude. This is not reality. I was shot down several times yesterday by dead manable AAA as were many of my squad mates. I had 5 or 6 kills on each occurence. You didn't here me whining. We know it's a bug. We know HT will fix it. In the mean time stay away from manable guns. I might be there waiting for you........mmmmmuuuhhhhhaaaaa aaaa
40DogMAW
M.A.W. CO
This bug can be fun too! Last night, our Cruiser was sunk by an invisible enemy Cruiser (already sunk). So, while their "stealth" Cruiser pounded our CV, our guys sank the enemy CV with their stealth Cruiser a few minutes later. Well, within 5 minutes there were four invisible ships shooting at each other’s Destroyers. It was actually quite funny. After our fleet respawned, their stealth fleet continued to pound our airfield. All quite amusing....
My regards,
Widewing
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Ghosts as a trainer for HTC. You shouldn't be here on bbs stateing abusing bugs is okay. And I'm sure you will be hearing from them on this.
wetrat Still talking like a little Girl I see. wooho you killed me after I killed 3 of your friends, which all were trying to save you as you ran away..........{:
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Originally posted by Steve
Hey Horn.. that's from a scorpion STING. Want me to say it again?No-one has ever ben hurt from scorpion bite.
Sigh
OK mr semantics man.
To me, it looked like you were saying that scorpions never hurt anyone. I was merely pointing out the mortality rates.
Perhaps the play on words was meant to be amusing? Clever? "Stung by the asp" was how an old bard put it, but nowadays, one merely gets a snakebite.... :)
dh
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This is a frikn game!!!!!
Who the hell wants any1 to cheat at this game....??
I dont and neither does any one who wants a good fight
My skill is high enuff not to need to cheat...
Preddy...(insert finger here)..hehehehe..
Pleasse get a life..other then this game....Whats so idiotic??
And how is what i wrote make HTC look bad?? I have never cheated so whats ur point?
people saying they will do anything to win in war?? No thats reality..If i saw you and you were killing my friends and family Im going to shoot you in the head with out saying..lets duel...THAT IS HOW WAR GOES..
it is HTC' s job to find and stop these loopholes..... Its a whole nother thing if soem one is deliberatly cheating..NOT FINDING A BUG IN THE GAME..but rewriting code for unlimted ammo or what ever...
So.......Report bugs and dont call out soem squad or person for using it...Cause if they werent using it.. ..it would not get reported as much or if at all....
You guys and the personal attaks dont help anything (asasin)
Film that and send it in....thats how we fix stuff .lololol...You should actaully thank these guys...They are paying to beta test right?? We should thank anyone who finds this stuff.....
waaaaaa ...Mooooo
40Dog...yes..you know im joking......
owell..this is fun..:D
Love BiGB
xoxo
LOLOLOL
Sorry if this post is a bit mixed up..frikn peopl from my work keep bothering me...Fukin Executive Chef here is a bitter man...Lobster Nights he hates..and everyone alwasy wants some discount..lol..And we are not going to do the Stuffed Lobster tails anymore..its sad..I loved them....Stuffed jumbo prawns we keep..and I dont like them..waaaaaa
P.S. Is it legal for a company to say employees cant smoke on property..but you allow guests too?? this is a Golf Club
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Originally posted by GPreddy
If this idiocy goes unchecked its going to make HTC look very very bad.
Agree Gpreddy, He didnt have to talk out his ass
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This may be a known bug to some, but I can assure you I had never heard of it before! Last night it seems I also exploited it without ever realising. I was manning a field gun when I suddenly lost the sight...... after seeing weird things happen from the minute I logged on, I thought it was just another glitch and carried on shooting. To be honest, I'm still not convinced it is a bug! To me, it seemed that the gun took some damage, but was not destroyed! That's how it appeared to me at the time, anyway..... and, as I could found I could still hit stuff, I continued to use it, eventually landing 2 kills. Heck, let's be honest. If a gun is still working, it is going to be used, right? :p
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Horn I was chumming... pulled you up. :)
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Originally posted by ASASIN
It is not about Score. I could careless about score.
Umm? Oh really? :D
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This is my first post for sometime now and i would just like to say. Im dissapointed in all of you. You all now some goody goody that finds a way to cheat using a bug is going to do it. Alls you have to do is pull your pants back up and give it another try. I can agree that H.T.C. needs to fix this problem, but that gives you no right to blame somebody that wants a couple more perks for doing this. Just get over it...:rolleyes:
P.S. Bigsqueak i liked your posts lolol
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Originally posted by ASASIN
Ghosts as a trainer for HTC. You shouldn't be here on bbs stateing abusing bugs is okay. And I'm sure you will be hearing from them on this.
Well, if you addressing my comments, understand this: Taking advantage of a bug is going to happen. It sure as hell isn't cheating either. It may not be very sportsman like, but it's a far cry from cheating. So, I'd relax on the vitriol a bit if I were you. Okay, you got whacked by a dead ack, big deal. If that ruined your day, you may want to reconsider your personal priorities.
Also, if you think HTC is going to penalize anyone for taking advantage of this bug, think again. I'll bet a hundred or more guys took advantage of it. All three sides were doing it, no one broke or re-wrote code to do it either.
We had a bug exploited by dozens of players in the CT. It was unfortunate, but it wasn’t cheating and no one was penalized, scolded or otherwise reprimanded by HTC. They didn’t create the bug, they merely used it to their advantage.
Think of it this way. Auto racing organizations have specific rules governing what can and cannot be done to racecars. Should someone find a loophole in the rules that allows them to use a more efficient cylinderhead, and therefore have a faster car, are they cheating? Frankly, no, they are not cheating. Race driver Mark Donahue wrote about his years with Penske Racing and their extraordinary ability to find loopholes in the rules. He titled it “The Unfair Advantage”. What we have with this bug is an “unfair advantage”, nothing more.
As it is, the bug in question has likely been fixed by now. So, go back to doing your thing, whatever that may be and don’t be so fast to call people cheaters.
My regards,
Widewing
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Right On The Head of the Nail Widewing.;)
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Voss is just mad cause he was shot down over and over again at P39. I have to thank him for the target practice there in his B17's that were 500 feet from the deck. Then all I get from him is "WAA WAA WAA you killed me I'm telling." He is the biggent whiner I have ever seen lol!
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Meatwad: Voss is just mad cause he was shot down over and over again at P39. I have to thank him for the target practice there in his B17's that were 500 feet from the deck. Then all I get from him is "WAA WAA WAA you killed me I'm telling." He is the biggent whiner I have ever seen lol!
If your gonna insult somebody, try not to make spelling errors. :D:D
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LMFAo..meatwad..please post some screenies...
Cause to see Gpimple fly 17s at 500 feet!!! Classic,,,he cries about sucide buffs and there he is....lmfao..
empire2..salute..good to see ya..and Dam you must hate me now..cause my spelling can be really bad..
Good day to all..
BiGB
xoxo
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"cause my spelling can be really bad.. "
replace with "ALWAYS IS" ... :D
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Originally posted by Widewing
Well, if you addressing my comments, understand this: Taking advantage of a bug is going to happen. It sure as hell isn't cheating either. It may not be very sportsman like, but it's a far cry from cheating. So, I'd relax on the vitriol a bit if I were you. Okay, you got whacked by a dead ack, big deal. If that ruined your day, you may want to reconsider your personal priorities.
Also, if you think HTC is going to penalize anyone for taking advantage of this bug, think again. I'll bet a hundred or more guys took advantage of it. All three sides were doing it, no one broke or re-wrote code to do it either.
We had a bug exploited by dozens of players in the CT. It was unfortunate, but it wasn’t cheating and no one was penalized, scolded or otherwise reprimanded by HTC. They didn’t create the bug, they merely used it to their advantage.
Think of it this way. Auto racing organizations have specific rules governing what can and cannot be done to racecars. Should someone find a loophole in the rules that allows them to use a more efficient cylinderhead, and therefore have a faster car, are they cheating? Frankly, no, they are not cheating. Race driver Mark Donahue wrote about his years with Penske Racing and their extraordinary ability to find loopholes in the rules. He titled it “The Unfair Advantage”. What we have with this bug is an “unfair advantage”, nothing more.
As it is, the bug in question has likely been fixed by now. So, go back to doing your thing, whatever that may be and don’t be so fast to call people cheaters.
My regards,
Widewing
Ghost Try posting on topic. I never called anyone a cheater or a cheat.
My point and topic was abusing a bug. No honest person should abuse bug. . When HTC staff thinks its not okay.
Widewing i got you confused with Ghost the ta trainer
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
LMFAo..meatwad..please post some screenies...
Cause to see Gpimple fly 17s at 500 feet!!! Classic,,,he cries about sucide buffs and there he is....lmfao..
empire2..salute..good to see ya..and Dam you must hate me now..cause my spelling can be really bad..
Good day to all..
BiGB
xoxo
first bgbmaw wasn't suicideing anything. Killed VH and all ack was dead so I went low to see why we were all getting killed by MTWD81st HEFF and USAGirl. I went low to see where thier Gv's were hidden. Then and only then Did most of us find out about bug. And all I said to 81st was abusing a bug is against coc . and That I was making a flim on what was going on.
Some fly with dignity and then some fly for MAWS, you should get 81st in your squad it seems they fit in your squad well.
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Originally posted by ASASIN
Ghost Try posting on topic. I never called anyone a cheater or a cheat.
My point and topic was abusing a bug. No honest person should abuse bug. And most important a so called trainer shouldn't be on boards telling players its ok. When HTC staff thinks its not okay.
First, you are correct, you never actually called anyone a "cheater" as some others did, you merely implied that at worst they cheated, or at best they were less than sportsman like. The post is dead nuts on topic, it addresses the over-reaction to a very minor incident, coming about via the occasional bug caused by a reset. It happens, it'll happen again, I'm sure.
Second, I see your point (and I suggest a tall hat ;)), however, I am not a trainer, nor is my CPID "Ghosts". I in no way speak for HTC nor represent them whatsoever (man, I'll bet that sent a shiver down HiTech's spine :D). My opinion is solely my own, but probably does represent the opinions of many players who find this whole thread to be way over the top.
As to the bug, I have seen HiTech come in on a weekend to fix reset bugs, so rest assured that it will be fixed ASAP.
My regards,
Widewing
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voss wrote:
My point and topic was abusing a bug. No honest person should abuse bug. And most important a so called trainer shouldn't be on boards telling players its ok. When HTC staff thinks its not okay.
So you have no problem doing it then?:p
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all this from the same squad that got all haughty when shane called ice on his BS "here's some more cheats we'll use"?
what happened to conducting yourselves with respect in the community - or is that just the current recruiting line to keep the warm bodies coming in?
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hmm..SlapSHOT!!! dam you ..hehhehhe
and Asa..... what teh hell are you talking about???
the quote you regard is talking about Gboy..Meatwad said he shot his 17' sdown at 500 feet..
And Flying B-17's at 500 feet to vulch or what ever is no t fare in Voss' world... He staretd the post on using Buffs as Sucide planes ..so im just trying to hold his bellybutton to his "high Standards".. He would never intentinally put him self at harms risk.."or his Bomer crew" Cause his Kill /death Ratio would get all wacked out cause he lost his crew..lololol....if it did run like that...
So im lost cause i didnt Know your were Meatwad or Preddy...
And the Remark about the Marine Air Wing.. whaaaaaaaaaaa
Fly ...Die ...And have fun..I do..and laff my bellybutton off Dignity..please....Let me cry about people taking advantage of a bug...waaaaaa....
My life has changed alot...especially knowing about your "dignity"..lololo in a game..lololo.....
Was it tuff in Online Candly Land.??..I heard those 10 year olds hack alot...You ever see the Purple Gum Drops that never get soft??? Dam hackers..where is the Dignity!!!!..loloo
Nothing to see here..move along....
Love BiGB
xoxo
Dam Fun...
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Sorry..no more from me...I have been locked out...
I guess the Controllers at 'The CandyLanddrom" heard me ...they said cut it put or we kick you out....
And I swear to god..im not losing my rank as Head of the Sugar Daddy Brigade...( I hate those Gum drop guys..they think there the Cherry on the Sundae)
See you all in Chutes and ladders..
Love BiGB
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Last nite i jumped in ack at 69 to ward off incomeing nit lemmings
and noticed the gunsite missing !!!! WTF i thought to myself.
So i landed and jumped back into it,same thing again ,no site.
I then pulled trigger and it fired,ok cool must be gunsite glich.
so i fired a few rounds and positioned my mouse curser as a
gunsite and it worked great :D I got 26 kills and ran out of ammo,landed them went back and got 10 more.my adventure ended when base was finally overwhelmed:( After this i got some flak from a nite or to on how i was cheating,and a few congrats
buy some that did the same thing(they too were nits )
Look at it this way field gun kills dont count for any score or rank so nothing was gained xcept lotsa nit plane and gv parts laying around v69:D
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parents live in Mary Esther/Ft. Walton..
Love the Gulf Area...Gimme your shrimp please
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I reported this in the correct forum - Bug Reports. As I stated in there, they may not have even known what was happening until half way thru their gunning. Sure it's upsetting. But, I can't believe so many are making such a big deal about a bug that HTC will fix like all the other past and future bugs. All you whiners about this problem be sure to cancel your second accounts tomorrow that you use for spying on other countries.
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Voss, you should try using a toilet brush to get the sand out of your vagina. and maybe a decongestant to clear your nose so you will realize that your watermelon does in fact stink.
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First of all Called Skuzzy. reported bug. second when it continue into afternoon today I called skuzzy, And was told it will fix at next reset. I said to Him You should reset its getting out of hand, And when He came in 90% agree reset fix it now.
This wasn't a whine as it was to show those who think abusing a bug is ok. And read post more think its wrong than the few of you think its okay.
Bgbmaw Meatwad is talking about my bombers, so I guess your posting without reading Text.
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LOL I bet those phone calls were the high point of Skuzzys day..
Got a solution here but I know it's way over the top, but I'll put it forth because my pant cuffs have already got stained in what I'm wading through..
When you choose a "sortie", choose one where you fly like a bird with little things in front of the contraption that go puta'puta'puta' when you pull that red button that you use your index finger for..
When your flying this "plane" try to kill the red "plane" coming in on your 12..
Wussies..
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viking73: All you whiners about this problem be sure to cancel your second accounts tomorrow that you use for spying on other countries.
Since im not whining about it i will not cancle out my spy account, the test for you is to find out who he is:D...
Bgb...salute...your posts are sooo true, and very humorous...and yall a big whoppin' <> to you. Some of you are the most pathetic, sad people ive ever seen;okok read. Anyways the summary on this thread should be"Some people use mannable glitches for perkies,HTC will fix problem but not yet,some people are glad, some people whine, and some people think it should get fixed or theyll start whinnin' "...Get my point, I say all this because i was the Ex-Co of The Smart tulips Of America(*Hells Angels* 303rd Bomb Group) and frankly, i dont give a damn, because thats who i am and that what i stand for...and assassin your one of the few,the proud, and the brave(if you know what i mean)...
P.S.-no use talking back to me,...unless i find it use arguing for i will not reply,cause my ego and self-conciousness is so high, thats how i want you to think of me...:D
so SHAD AP will ya'... naaah :p
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Elfie...and Ill hear your response.."Typical MAW"..ya ya...Im defntly going to cheat now..(hope i know how)..so i can keel ya..and hear u./.SQQUEEEEEEEEEE..(no offense to the SOG)
Have fun trying. Btw, he's not in the SOG squadron, he's in the Armageddon squadron who wings with my squadron the 441 Silver Fox.
I wasn't there, but I'm surprised to hear that a player with your character felt the need to exploit a bug BGB and then defend your actions. I do think you're a great asset to the community, but can't agree with posts of the sort that you made.
Cya in the skies.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Taking advantage of a bug is going to happen. It sure as hell isn't cheating either. It may not be very sportsman like, but it's a far cry from cheating.
My regards,
Widewing
No matter what spin you put on it, exploiting and abusing a known bug to gain an advantage is cheating, it is not an apples and oranges kind of thing. You try to put a different spin on it because even by your own admission you're also guilty of abusing this bug.
I know this isn't Air Warrior but had those that exploited this bug last night had done it in that game they would have been immediately ejected from the game for 24 hours and then after a TOS review either a ban for 30 days or maybe even a perma-ban for cheating using a bug exploit.
Ack-Ack
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BGB! Where in No Cal you located? My stepson lives up there (we in Central Cal) and his complaints about work sound eerily familiar. (Lobster problems, etc.) :D Just curious.
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Air Warrior isn't the only game that would ban you for abusing known bugs, Everquest will perma-ban you for repeated offenses.
Those who jumped into a gun and thot the graphics were screwed or who realized that something was wrong and then left the gun did nothing wrong. It's those who KNEW the guns were bugged and stayed in them that did wrong. This bug effctively put players in shot out guns in *God Mode*. Players that sat in shot out guns for hours SHOULD be banned. It disrupted normal gameplay in some cases, especially at ports and vbases where the manned ack is still in range of goons/M-3's/troops.
Whoever said that this was a very minor bug is totally wrong, any bug that puts a player in God Mode is a major problem since it obviously gives that player an unfair advantage over everyone else in the arena.
There is a difference between a whine and a legitimate complaint, this bug was a legitimate complaint.
40DogMAW, I used to respect you, you are a decent stick, but when I PM'd you about one of your squad members abusing the gun bug and you said something to the effect of STFU beach on channel 1 I lost all respect for you. I thought you had more integrity than that.. I was not disrespectful or discourteous in my PM's to you, yet you immediately disrespected me in front of everyone logged into the MA.
Cheating doesn't mean you have to rewrite game code. If that was the case then *speed hacks* aren't cheating because you didn't change any game code right? Speed Hacks give a player an unfair advantage over others and is therfore considered cheating.
Abusing a known bug that effectively puts you into God Mode is also cheating since it again gives you an unfair advantage over other players.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
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Originally posted by akak
No matter what spin you put on it, exploiting and abusing a known bug to gain an advantage is cheating, it is not an apples and oranges kind of thing. You try to put a different spin on it because even by your own admission you're also guilty of abusing this bug.
I know this isn't Air Warrior but had those that exploited this bug last night had done it in that game they would have been immediately ejected from the game for 24 hours and then after a TOS review either a ban for 30 days or maybe even a perma-ban for cheating using a bug exploit.
Ack-Ack
My, my akak, your squeaking about this is becoming increasingly shrill. Moreover, the repeated use of the term “abuse” is nothing more than demagoguery. We had Knits and Bish and Rooks firing from “dead” (and invisible) ships, blasting the victorious fleet. So, the same method was used to counter it. There were dozens, maybe hundreds of people who had no idea that a bug was responsible for the situation and assumed that their gun was only damaged, not destroyed. Surely, some guys knew they were exploiting the bug, and clearly they were “gaming the game” so to speak. Yet, I submit that this is no less unsportsman like than camping a vehicle spawn with a Tiger.
There is absolutely nothing in the Terms of Service addressing “bugs”. Furthermore, where would you draw the line between an honest misunderstanding and deliberate exploitation? Besides, who elected you as chairman of the ethics committee anyway?
“Off with their heads, for they hath offended my sensibilities!”
It is an undeniable fact that bugs WILL be exploited, either by intent or by accident. Invariably, some will decide that if you can’t beat them, join them, and who can blame them for that? Either that, or avoid situations where the bug can effect you. Like the guys who repeatedly respawn at camped locations, I have no sympathy for guys who were popped over and over again by “dead acks”. I lost a P-47 to “dead ack”, but thereafter avoided flying low over an enemy field. In all likelihood, the guys who suffered most where probably vulching anyway, another sportsman like activity!
Please take a few steps back and perhaps you’ll see how ridiculous this tirade and name calling sounds to most of us.
My regards,
Widewing
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Frankly, Elfie this is a question of scruples.
I don't man guns much and knew nothing of this bug until I read about it a few days ago.
But I equate this situation to a person walking around a store, and finding a $20.00 bill on the floor. Now, we all know the right thing to do is to turn it into the manager, and walk away. But how many would do that?
I can honestly say I would pocket the cash. That's my honest answer. On the other hand, rank and score mean nothing to me if I have to play a bug to do it. The fact is, you did not earn those kills, so it has no value. It's like cheating at solitaire. Your only fooling yourself.
I do not judge others for what they may or may not have done. I do not consider this a bannable offense as no one hacked the game to give themselves an unfair advantage. I would guess the bulk of those in the guns did not even know they were exploiting a bug.
I'm sure HT is working on this if he did not fix it already.
So my point is, this is not a question of hacking. It's a quesiton of scruples. I really don't see how someone can be banned for this.
Even the most honest of players, like Flossy, was manning a gun. Did she know it was bugged. She says she did not. Should we ban her anyway? If not, they no one can be banned, because everyone can say, "Hey, I did not know."
In my opinion, we really need to let this one go, let HT fix it, and move on, before we create even more animosity.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Frankly, Elfie this is a question of scruples.
It's a quesiton of scruples. I really don't see how someone can be banned for this.
Even the most honest of players, like Flossy, was manning a gun. Did she know it was bugged. She says she did not. Should we ban her anyway?
In my opinion, we really need to let this one go, let HT fix it, and move on, before we create even more animosity.
agreed, banning is a little extreme in this case, but... flossy was unaware, and i bet once she knew she'd not take advantage of that. i don't think certain other someones can say the same. they *were* aware/made aware, and yet....
that scruples thing, i guess.
i was manning a cruiser's guns, it got sunk... i /.efluffied even tho' the base we were hitting was almost point blank range.
beleive it or not, that's what *I* did, and i didn't man *any* field guns at all.
scruples, i guess.
;)
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Originally posted by cobia38
Last nite i jumped in ack at 69 to ward off incomeing nit lemmings
and noticed the gunsite missing !!!! WTF i thought to myself.
So i landed and jumped back into it,same thing again ,no site.
I then pulled trigger and it fired,ok cool must be gunsite glich.
so i fired a few rounds and positioned my mouse curser as a
gunsite and it worked great :D I got 26 kills and ran out of ammo,landed them went back and got 10 more.my adventure ended when base was finally overwhelmed:( After this i got some flak from a nite or to on how i was cheating,and a few congrats
buy some that did the same thing(they too were nits )
Look at it this way field gun kills dont count for any score or rank so nothing was gained xcept lotsa nit plane and gv parts laying around v69:D
AA gun kills go to GV rank and will raise it.
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Originally posted by Shane
i /.efluffied
Not sure what this means.
I just don't understand why anyone would man the guns. I don't even think it helps your rank, so we can rule out the contestants for the monthly prize.
I look at my score as a personal report card. I go back over the tours prior and see if I'm improving. I read which planes I'm doing well in, and concentrate learning why I do poorly against certain A/C. Sure it would be great to be #1 in everything. But that's just gravy. I play the game for enjoyment, and as a challenge to test myself. Running this bug is like taking a helicopter to the Summit of a mountain. Sure, you made it to the top, but how did you get there?
But this is me. Different strokes, I suppose.
I would be surprised if HT has not fixed this already.
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Originally posted by whels
AA gun kills go to GV rank and will raise it.
Geez, God knows I could use the GV rank improvement, after Whels had his way with me a few times last week.
I must have called you every word in the book....(Not transmitted, of course!)
You really did a number on me, Whels.
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Originally posted by Widewing
My, my akak, your squeaking about this is becoming increasingly shrill. Moreover, the repeated use of the term “abuse” is nothing more than demagoguery. We had Knits and Bish and Rooks firing from “dead” (and invisible) ships, blasting the victorious fleet. So, the same method was used to counter it. There were dozens, maybe hundreds of people who had no idea that a bug was responsible for the situation and assumed that their gun was only damaged, not destroyed. Surely, some guys knew they were exploiting the bug, and clearly they were “gaming the game” so to speak. Yet, I submit that this is no less unsportsman like than camping a vehicle spawn with a Tiger.
There is absolutely nothing in the Terms of Service addressing “bugs”. Furthermore, where would you draw the line between an honest misunderstanding and deliberate exploitation? Besides, who elected you as chairman of the ethics committee anyway?
“Off with their heads, for they hath offended my sensibilities!”
It is an undeniable fact that bugs WILL be exploited, either by intent or by accident. Invariably, some will decide that if you can’t beat them, join them, and who can blame them for that? Either that, or avoid situations where the bug can effect you. Like the guys who repeatedly respawn at camped locations, I have no sympathy for guys who were popped over and over again by “dead acks”. I lost a P-47 to “dead ack”, but thereafter avoided flying low over an enemy field. In all likelihood, the guys who suffered most where probably vulching anyway, another sportsman like activity!
Please take a few steps back and perhaps you’ll see how ridiculous this tirade and name calling sounds to most of us.
My regards,
Widewing
widewing,
do u vulch in a fighter? thats no different the camping a spawn point in a tank.
whels
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.ef is the dot command to end a flight/sortie. It's the equivalent of clicking the Tower button on the clipboard once a flight/sortie has been landed.
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Originally posted by whels
widewing,
do u vulch in a fighter? thats no different the camping a spawn point in a tank.
whels
Which is why I compared vulching to spawn camping. As to whether I vulch; rarely, and only if protecting troops or if I'm capping a field alone and several try to take off. I don't care for vulching just 'cause it offers easy victories, it's a lame way to run up kills.
I spend most of my online time in the CT, where vulching is deemed very bad form and rarely occurs.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well, as one of the "new guys" (yeah right I was here before some of y'all graduated from Pre-K)
I came back to inspect what improvements had been made
--Clouds
---more ground vehicles
----more planes
-----same buncha clowns bashing each and every person,place or thing because they know they're safe from retribution
I'll give it a weeks trial, just to be fair,
But I left because of the, umm, "community", so I'd say there hasn't been ANY improvement.
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Gotta admit I manned one of the dead acks, but ONLY after being nailed at least 7 times and losing upwards of 24 kills at other bases.
My apologies to the knits at those bases where I called you allsorts for leaving a manned ack up again.
Its human nature to want a bit of payback and thats exactly what I did. Would it have reasonable to expect everyone to stop manning them once they were dead - I don't think so. If I remember correctly when the new version was first released the same bug existed on the first map. Funny how that time everyone was laughing about it and how it needed to be fixed. Funny how everyone still manned them then also. Exploiting a bug - yes, cheating - no. How many people will own up to using the "shoot your own hanger" to raise their hit % ratio before that was fixed.
Just a few thoughts.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Not sure what this means.
I just don't understand why anyone would man the guns. I don't even think it helps your rank, so we can rule out the contestants for the monthly prize.
/.ef means... ended flight, i.e. exited the gun back to tower and went to another base for a new sortie. manning the big guns on ca's is a fun diversion at times, and can really tear up a town/base being worked on. it has no effect on rank, that's correct.
my point was that the cruiser was sunk, yet i could still fire the guns from the "inviso" bug.. i chose not to take advantage of that bug, instead getting out of gun and doing something esle, even tho' the base we were working was was almost at point blank range and still had stuff up.
i don't really care about rank or the contest. but then it's not really hard to rank fairly high with not a lot of effort, and my decent rank in general flies in the face of the "landing is gud" concept. if anything i enjoy showing that k/d is a fairly meaningless stat in general.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I just don't understand why anyone would man the guns. I don't even think it helps your rank, so we can rule out the contestants for the monthly prize.
Well I enjoy manning the guns, and really couldn't care less about rank! LOL, yeah, go ahead and check my score/rank..... I have no interest in what it is myself. You can definitely rule me out of the monthly contest too..... unless there is a booby prize.... :) I usually man a gun if the VH is down at a field, otherwise I would be defending it in an Osty.... or on a ship that is under attack. Like gooning, somebody's got to do it! :D
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Originally posted by Flossy
unless there is a booby prize.... :)
So many sexual innuendos....so little time....
Must....hold....on.....
Must....not.......post....... :D
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I say we grant general amnesty to those who exploited the invisible ack bug and lay this stupid thread to rest already.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by whels
AA gun kills go to GV rank and will raise it.
I don't think that is correct:
"The field gunner mission type is how your sortie is scored should you choose to man a gun on a fleet. This type is not ranked nor included in the overall rank calculations."
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/scoring.html
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Manx...ya I wasnt saying he was in the SOG..I liek those guys..but i was just giving him the Stuck pig sound ..you know..SQUEEEEEE..lololo..
I didnt exploit this bug..never saw it..never shot it..never been shot by it..I havent been playing much...
But....If there was an Invisble bug..and my country needed me to use it i would...It will be fixed and thats the end.....If a nme kept getting killed and he didnt know why..he should move on to anothe base report it and be done..
But i understand Manx...I defntly dont go looking for this stuff..
but again..I never stepped foot in this bug...In fact i dont think i ever have "cheated"..But as our Freak Show Pale White Skinned (400hours amonth) buddy GPuddy says..
......"I call up the vetrans hotline if i need to find your CV"....lmfao..what a nerd
Skorpyn...I live North of Sacramneto next to Auburn...Between Sac and Lake Tahoe..I work at High End Golf Club..wheres your kid work?
Salute to all..... See you up in TOD!!!!!
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
Skorpyn...I live North of Sacramneto next to Auburn...Between Sac and Lake Tahoe..I work at High End Golf Club..wheres your kid work?
Salute to all..... See you up in TOD!!!!!
Love BiGB
xoxo
How can it be high end if you don't serve lobster?
:D
Can I get some Butter with that Lobster?
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nonono..its the Live lobster my Chef wants to get rid of..our food costs go way up when they arent all sold...
So now He wants to use frozen lobster tails...but my GM say.."are you kidding "..they tatse lik toejam..But he syas..Golly-geeIT keep your costs down..but have a Fresh product..oh..its funny...
ANd of Course Muck..we have some clairfied butter for your tails..
Personaly..I like the Chilean Sea BAss bettr..ooo and some very lightl seared Ahi
BiGB
xxoxo
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Originally posted by crowMAW
I don't think that is correct:
"The field gunner mission type is how your sortie is scored should you choose to man a gun on a fleet. This type is not ranked nor included in the overall rank calculations."
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/scoring.html
Crow,
all i know is , when i kill GVs with field AA guns
or planes/PTs with ship guns, my GV rank get better.
1 day we went to Uterus map, we had 44, i killed about 30 GVs with field AA gun, my GV rank went from 2000+ to 80.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Geez, God knows I could use the GV rank improvement, after Whels had his way with me a few times last week.
I must have called you every word in the book....(Not transmitted, of course!)
You really did a number on me, Whels.
field AA guns can hit GVs 6k out too :)
Whels
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BGB..
The kid lives in Stockton, works at Red Lobster. They are in the middle of "Lobsterfest" right now, so it's pretty insane. I knew it was a huge longshot, but figured I had nothin' to lose by asking. :D
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've been shot out of field guns before and when I 've tried to get into one I've gotten "That gun has been destroyed." Is this only at certain fields or maps or what?
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Originally posted by gofaster
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've been shot out of field guns before and when I 've tried to get into one I've gotten "That gun has been destroyed." Is this only at certain fields or maps or what?
it was an old mindanao terrain bug where you could man "destroyed" mannable field acks. people flying would see a "dead" gun, that could still shoot them.
it's been fixed, i think.
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CROWMAW, you fast sucker I went to copy the readme file to post this as I have repeatedly told people that and they dont believe and when I get back you have already posted it.
(S) from now on when I see you I will call you SPEEDYGONZALES
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I will CHEAT as Much as Possible...
F U Guys...I dont give a CRAP>>>>
WHO is alive AND WHO IS DEAD!!???
If im alive then ...SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!! You are a loser..
Yes report bugs..get them fixed.....then STFU.....
Its a game...and is there rampant cheating here??..HELL NO!! there is not..and if there is ..over half the peopl suck who are cheating...
I always cheat...especially if that moo mother fuker Preddy is around...lololol...oo h hPreddy dont get your panties in a bunch,,Im just screwn around...
Elfie...and Ill hear your response.."Typical MAW"..ya ya...Im defntly going to cheat now..(hope i know how)..so i can keel ya..and hear u./.SQQUEEEEEEEEEE..(no offense to the SOG)
anyways... Please no more personal attak guys this is not good for the game..
this thread is funny..... and I think all of you are funny.......lookin......hahah ah..Dam i make my self laff
Love
BiGB
xoxoxo
P.S. where is this gun again?..and hey can you guys forward the unlimited ammo code again??
I guess Hitech isnt policing the board as often as he promised,
Its quite funny to see all the MAW members jump in and try to outdo each other in a squad mates defense.
Total justification of the Bad reputation that the MAW has,
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Hammy..its a joke...Go get a Dam life...
Oh..I suppose you believe everything you read on the internet...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
moo
I laff my bellybutton off just reading my post again....
And then I laff again..cause you are crying to HTC //LMFAO!!!!!!
Bad reputation!!..lololololo YEs people cry alot when others have more ..or bettr ... things then you do
Ham Bone..I suppose We should tax more of the rich to help the poor?? Ehh?
P.S. Hammy..i really dont know you..but you seem to think you know me ..or us...I just like your name cause it reminds me of Hamm's...The Beer Made from Sky Blue Water!!! God I loved that Jingle commercial..
P.P.S Also..does that mean you want to join the MArine Air Wing?
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
The Beer Made from Sky Blue Water!!! God I loved that Jingle commercial..
The saying is "From the land of sky blue waters"....
I grew up on Hamms and Oly with a bit of Coors Banquet tossed in at times.
Did ya salt the top?
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ARGGHH please dont beta me..im Soory for messn up the jingle...
Salt!!?? Dam u are fancy..
lolol
Salute
BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Hammy
I guess Hitech isnt policing the board as often as he promised,
Its quite funny to see all the MAW members jump in and try to outdo each other in a squad mates defense.
Total justification of the Bad reputation that the MAW has,
Hammy this idiot falls into a realm five levels below stupidity and maybe more. The sad thing is if I gave this moron the medicine he needs he wouldnt understand a thing I said and Id get banned just the same. I can take satisfaction in knowing that he flies about as good as an Auk and that even if he had nerves of steel and a body of iron hed still have a brain of solid stone. Regardless of what these jerks that call him friends and squadmates think of him neither their opinion nor HTs lack of responsiveness can refute the fact that BGB is adamantly stupid.
BGB I fail to see the humor in that two-bit gutter induced crap pile you call a response. Your fantasies pertaining to anatomical impossibilities is indicative of your countenancing recessive behaviors. Id paraphrase that but it would get nasty. If you showed up on gay-pride day theyd send you packing as socially unacceptable. Any three-faced devil chewing on the bitterest slime in the universe would regurgitate his last meal at the thought of taking a bite out of your disgusting hide.
MAW? Maw disgust me. The whole lot of you. You let this social buffoon respond like this and dont ask him to edit any of it out? None of you have the class it takes to spit. I suppose you think this is fun? Why dont the lot of you get together and go pig pile the homeless. I bet youd get a good laugh out of that.
What you morons dont seem to fathom is I dont give a crap what you idiots do. The problem is your ruining the entire genre. We will never get the place aired out now. Its going to stink of scum and villainy from now on. It can only go down and never up and all becase a few MAW have the social graces of dog excrement. Arent you excited MAW? Your going to be knee deep in guys that share your love for stink. No you dont care. Its all in fun right?
No. Its unacceptable. Police your own trash.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
MAW? Maw disgust me. The whole lot of you.
edit....why bother.....no need to stoop to vossyboy level.
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If i confused the bit o fun I have actually playing Aces High with this UBB, I would be gone. not that it matters to anyone.
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WOW,,,,lololol
get a life...:D
Here you go ..another classic quote from Pale Whitey......
"Ill call the vetrans hotline to find the CV"......
Love BiGB
xoxo
VASS..your obsession with me is pitiful..leave me alone and go camping...
O yaa.. and PLEASE REPORT ALL BUGS...thank you
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I haven't been up since this past Saturday night, when did this bug with the acks begin? I have always been blown up or strafed when I'm in an ack. If this is a bug, it ought to be reported. However, until the bug is fixed, ya really can't blame a guy for having some fun with it. Its not as if nme or field owners would realistically stay away from the place. I recommend that folks take a chill pill and let it drop.
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When a major bug pops up like manned acks not kicking the gunners out when the guns are shot it is our jobs as players to report these things to HTC. However, that is not where our responsibility ends. It is also our job to NOT exploit the bug to our benefit and give HTC time to make the necessary fix. We should police our own community in this regard. I believe that is the kind community involvement HTC is looking for.
As Shane said, it's a choice, he chose to leave a gun that was destroyed instead of staying in it and fighting. That one simple act has earned my respect for someone that I never really saw *eye to eye* with in the past.
Just because this game is nothing but computer generated images on the internet and is in no way *real* does not excuse bad behavior in any form, sadly to many feel they can do *whatever they want on the internet* because they say it's not real. Acting like a jerk is just that....whether its on the internet or in real life.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
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Originally posted by Don
I haven't been up since this past Saturday night, when did this bug with the acks begin? I have always been blown up or strafed when I'm in an ack. If this is a bug, it ought to be reported. However, until the bug is fixed, ya really can't blame a guy for having some fun with it. Its not as if nme or field owners would realistically stay away from the place. I recommend that folks take a chill pill and let it drop.
The biggest problem with the manned acks was at Vbases and ports on Mindanao. Players stayed in manned acks for hours sometimes, killing goons and M-3's that tryed to capture the bases and there was absolutely nothing any other player could do to stop it. In some cases it actually held up a teams progress.
Yes I can blame a guy for having some fun with it. Why? because it takes away from the game and other peoples fun. No one has the right to exploit a bug in a manner that ruins someone elses fun. Period. One of my high school history teachers taught us this: Freedom isn't the right to do whatever you please. Freedom is the right to do what you know is right.
Games are meant to be fun, if a game isn't fun for everyone, then it is no longer a game.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
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Originally posted by Widewing
My, my akak, your squeaking about this is becoming increasingly shrill. Moreover, the repeated use of the term “abuse” is nothing more than demagoguery. We had Knits and Bish and Rooks firing from “dead” (and invisible) ships, blasting the victorious fleet. So, the same method was used to counter it. There were dozens, maybe hundreds of people who had no idea that a bug was responsible for the situation and assumed that their gun was only damaged, not destroyed. Surely, some guys knew they were exploiting the bug, and clearly they were “gaming the game” so to speak. Yet, I submit that this is no less unsportsman like than camping a vehicle spawn with a Tiger.
There is absolutely nothing in the Terms of Service addressing “bugs”. Furthermore, where would you draw the line between an honest misunderstanding and deliberate exploitation? Besides, who elected you as chairman of the ethics committee anyway?
“Off with their heads, for they hath offended my sensibilities!”
It is an undeniable fact that bugs WILL be exploited, either by intent or by accident. Invariably, some will decide that if you can’t beat them, join them, and who can blame them for that? Either that, or avoid situations where the bug can effect you. Like the guys who repeatedly respawn at camped locations, I have no sympathy for guys who were popped over and over again by “dead acks”. I lost a P-47 to “dead ack”, but thereafter avoided flying low over an enemy field. In all likelihood, the guys who suffered most where probably vulching anyway, another sportsman like activity!
Please take a few steps back and perhaps you’ll see how ridiculous this tirade and name calling sounds to most of us.
My regards,
Widewing
LOL! Your nothing but a Lemming since you pretty much use the arguement that since everyone else was abusing this bug to gain an advantage, you might as well to. Who cares if cheating ruins the fun for most of the players. Like I said in my post before, you spin it the way you want because again by your own admissions in previous posts, you were one of the 'Lemmings'. So if you have to cheat in a game, that's pretty much your problem I guess and rather sad in my opinion.
And as for trying to compare this to 'spawn camping', sheesh, talk about trying to pull gold out of your ass. While spawn camping might be a little on the gamey side of things, it is in no way comparable to someone abusing a known bug to gain an advantage (i.e. cheating) and pretty much just shows that you really don't have a leg to stand on.
Anyway, the bug has been fixed but as maxtor pointed out on his post, the map can be reset easier than some reputations. I used to consider you one of the better peoples in the game but now I consider you no better than anyone else that cheats.
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Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Originally posted by MrLars
The saying is "From the land of sky blue waters"....
I grew up on Hamms and Oly with a bit of Coors Banquet tossed in at times.
Did ya salt the top?
As a kid I loved watching those commercials for HAmms with the bear and Doug Mclure.
ack-ack
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anytime i see the Saying.."from the LAnd of Sky Blue Waters"...
I always say it like the Commercial..Deep voice..with a bit of a ramble draw when you say Waaateerss..lololo....Kind of like a Indian Chant
Good toejam
BiGB'
xoxo
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Originally posted by akak
LOL! Your nothing but a Lemming since you pretty much use the arguement that since everyone else was abusing this bug to gain an advantage, you might as well to. Who cares if cheating ruins the fun for most of the players. Like I said in my post before, you spin it the way you want because again by your own admissions in previous posts, you were one of the 'Lemmings'. So if you have to cheat in a game, that's pretty much your problem I guess and rather sad in my opinion.
And as for trying to compare this to 'spawn camping', sheesh, talk about trying to pull gold out of your ass. While spawn camping might be a little on the gamey side of things, it is in no way comparable to someone abusing a known bug to gain an advantage (i.e. cheating) and pretty much just shows that you really don't have a leg to stand on.
Anyway, the bug has been fixed but as maxtor pointed out on his post, the map can be reset easier than some reputations. I used to consider you one of the better peoples in the game but now I consider you no better than anyone else that cheats.
Ack-Ack
You fail to understand my point. I’ll try again.
Back in 1978 I was working as a part-time race engineer (I was a minor player in the organization) for a Formula B team fielding March 78B cars powered by Cosworth BDA engines. The team owner and driver was competing for the National title. We looked at many different ways to circumvent the rules, without actually violating them. After all, we had to pass pre-race tech inspection and those guys miss nothing.
We found that the rule governing rear wings allowed creative thinking plenty of latitude. Therefore, we fabricated one of the first bi-plane wings used in this level of motorsports. This allowed us to nearly double downforce without infringing on maximum size of the individual airfoil, or restrictions on height. We also used endplates that were separated by less than .100 inches, effectively channeling air rearward. Combined with fixed Lexan side skirts and a hand laid up fiberglass diffuser, our cars generated up to 40% more downforce than the competition. Yet, the car met the letter of the rules, if not the spirit. Naturally we had to go to much higher rate springs but lucked out with damper settings.
We went to Roebling Roads raceway outside Savannah, where the car qualified on the pole and set a course record for the class. The howls of the competition were deafening. Tech people were badgered without relief. Nonetheless, the car was LEGAL. Come race day, our driver lapped all but two of the entire field, but with just 4 laps remaining the BDA dropped a valve, ending our day.
Three weeks later the sanctioning body issued amended rules, essentially legislating our cars out of existence. We had to return to a single airfoil, eliminate the side skirts and shorten the diffuser.
We lost 95% of our advantage. We obeyed the rules, and looked at the engine, where we found some HP by changing cam timing and overlap. Eventually, we made it to the championship race, and finished 5th.
We always passed tech inspection, and we even suffered through several engine teardowns to satisfy the inspectors. Those were expensive for the protesting team, as they had to foot he bill if nothing was found to be in violation. Nothing was.
Guys who took advantage of the bug did not violate any rules. Sure, it was unsportsman of them to varying degrees. Yes, it was an unfortunate situation. However, it was not “cheating”.
Furthermore, look up the meaning of "cheat", as it requires the existance of fraud and deception. Everyone understood what was happening... All you had to do was avoid the situation and you were unaffected.
Finally, show me where I admitted to have “abused the bug to gain an advantage”.
My regards,
Widewing
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Why are beer commercials always the best ones? I remember those *From the Land of Sky Blue Waters* commercials also :D
The Budwieser frogs and later the lizards had me in tears more than once :p
Is this thread being hijacked? :)
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
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I like widewing
1) cause he states clearly
2) cause hes a fellow race enthusiasts
Salaute
Have a good Day
Love BiGB
xoxo
YEEEEEE HAWWWWW
I finally got my 1975 RD 125 Running like nEW!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
Ill be popping wheelies in your neighborhood soon
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Originally posted by Elfie
40DogMAW, I used to respect you, you are a decent stick, but when I PM'd you about one of your squad members abusing the gun bug and you said something to the effect of STFU beach on channel 1 I lost all respect for you. I thought you had more integrity than that.. I was not disrespectful or discourteous in my PM's to you, yet you immediately disrespected me in front of everyone logged into the MA.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
Elfie
Nine times out of ten if I told you to STFU and called you a beach you had to of really pushed my buttons. I usually only reply like that if someone refers to me in kind. It's my guess that I went off on you like that due to your calling me a cheat or something simular or maybe it was your statements refering negatively to my not chastising a member of my squad for abusing the bug. Either one of those reasons would probably induce a response from me like the one you say you recieved. Elfie, unlike you, I see this totally as a game. Sh*t happens. As long as everyone has an equal share of it, WTF! LIke Widewing said in an earlier post there was some really great fun to be had with the bug. I didn't WHINE when it happened and I don't think you should have either. In your infinite wisdom though you chose to single me out and my squad for abusing the bug all while your country men were doing the same thing. Why weren't you saying anything to them? Why didn't you post something on the web mentioning the name of guys in your country that were so called abusing the bug? It's my guess because they would have told you the same thing I did. For the record I would like to apologize for saying the things I said that offended you. I'd also like you to understand that I and others don't see this game the same as you do. I do not run my squad like a drill sargeant. Most of my members are 30 years and above and get enough of that boss sh*t at work. We come here to relax and have fun. If all of a sudden we have an invisible ship then holy sh*t. Look out. Man the guns. It's all about fun for the MAW. Do you starch your underwear?:D
40DogMAW
M.A.W. CO
Marine Air Wing (http://marineairwingah.homestead.com/enter.html)
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everyone knows I don't play for score!
How come nobody told me of this!!!!!!!
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DAMN MY KIDS ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE IM CRAZY IM LAUGHING SO HARD Any ways i cant but help respond its all gotta be set straight.
GPreddy-BGB I fail to see the humor in that two-bit gutter induced crap pile you call a response....Any three-faced devil chewing on the bitterest slime in the universe would regurgitate his last meal at the thought of taking a bite out of your disgusting hide. MAW? Maw disgust me. The whole lot of you. You let this social buffoon respond like this and dont ask him to edit any of it out?...What you morons dont seem to fathom is I dont give a crap what you idiots do.
Damn 40...kick ass...
So im back in black and i want to say something once again. Gpretty,...Oh i guess that GPreddy huh,...anyways ill attack you first mm,k. First of all, you probably dont find the humor in it because they arent laughing with you anymore, they are laughing at you. but i guess you havent noticed that yet, so ill lay it all out for ya. You need somebody to come over there and give you a swift Kick in the ASS, and when you choose to dis one of the squad members of the MAW your damn well right every other one will be on your back. Then you go for the MAW!!!YOUR DIGGING YOUR DAMN GRAVE!As 40 calmly and completly stated all us MAW are mostly above 30, i myself being 41 enjoy flying a plane and shooting down others,it gives me joy to have clean hands after working with toejam and Sewage all day after day. Us maw,...we dont fly to live, we fly to play...and allthough you dont you better cool your jets or im possitive you will loose almost everyones respect, if not already. And ill be damned if im gonna have some punk face kid screw up my day with his goody goody roadkill.:o And on to the next topic of your super nova explosion, the one about not making him edit out what he says, its the squeakes life he doesnt need another mother to craddle him and make him suck your hind tit so shut the hell up,wuit blamin this crap on others, and just get a whoopee life. I never read your first statement and i never will,BGB kids around and i thought you were an allright guy to let that slide off your shoulders but once again i was wrong. You make me sick, and i want nothing to do with you.:p PEACE OUT
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"Come race day, our driver lapped all but two of the entire field, but with just 4 laps remaining the BDA dropped a valve, ending our day."
I'd imagine more than 1 of your competitors were thinking of the phrase "Poetic Justice";).
Carry on the flame war here, fellows, just wanted to chime in here with a little humor, since there's very little of it evident in this thread.
By the way, my opinion (not that it matters, and it doesn't) is, if you know it's a bug but you're taking advantage of it anyway, shame on you and no excuses. Your parents should've (and probably did) teach you better. Using a cheat because others are is a poor excuse, and personally I'd rather lose a game than resort to it just because others are. At least I'd know my integrity remained intact. I wouldn't presume to toss flames or insults over it, not knowing what any of these guys are like in reality, but they're probably more fair minded when not in the secure anonymity of the internet. No flames or insults intended, just my personal opinion here.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Is this thread being hijacked? :)
Yep, remember the Budman commercials?
Then there were the Colt45 commercials..."Ask you haid". :)
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All over a game...I hope im not the only one that thinks this is stupid...
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I was one of those speaking out against the alleged bug abuse, even sent film to HTC thinking that it was cheating. HTC's response was nada so I guess I was wrong.
p.s. My sincere apologies to those I wrongly accused of cheating.
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*lifts head from desk*
Is this thread STILL ALIVE?
Awww hell, I just booted it to the top did'nt i?
*Continues to bang head on desk*
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this is my last reply to this thread, and only to answer questions 40DogMAW put forth.
Nine times out of ten if I told you to STFU and called you a beach you had to of really pushed my buttons.
PMing you asking you if you would ask AmReo to leave a dead gun pushed to many buttons? When you said STFU BEECH on ch 1 I PM'd once more asking if you approved of his behavior (I see now that you do and in fact would copy his behavior), that's when you said 'I don't approve or disapprove' and I said nothing more to you about it. I never called you a cheat in game nor did I call AmReo one in game.
Elfie, unlike you, I see this totally as a game
So do I, we just have differing ideas of *fair play* and acceptable behavior.
As long as everyone has an equal share of it,
2 wrongs dont make a right, never did and never will. Let's use V64 on Mindanao as an example. There is only one mannable field gun there and it obviously belongs to whoever owns the base. Once that gun is shot out how does the opposing team at v64 have *an equal share*? The answer is they don't. In fact the only option the opposing team has is to give up on that particular base.
I didn't WHINE when it happened and I don't think you should have either.
As I posted earlier, there is a difference between a whine and a legitimate complaint. ANY bug that puts a player in GOD MODE is a legitimate complaint, not a whine.
In your infinite wisdom though you chose to single me out and my squad for abusing the bug all while your country men were doing the same thing. Why weren't you saying anything to them? Why didn't you post something on the web mentioning the name of guys in your country that were so called abusing the bug?
If you go back to the beginning of the thread others did name Rooks who were abusing the bug. I did not feel the need to rename those who had already been named. I named MAW's and one particular MAW once as an example. I did say something to those on my team while in game also. Responses varied from as asinine as yours to very polite responses.
For the record I would like to apologize for saying the things I said that offended you.
Apology accepted :)
Actually...would like to respond to Widewing's last post also.
First of all, very ingenious work on that race car :D
Second of all, I submit that what you guys did with that race car is essentially no different than what we do in Aces High. We grab altitude, use flaps, chop throttles, use manual trim....all to gain an advantage over our opponents, the tools are different, but the concept is the same. You found ways to gain an advantage within the framework of the current rules. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Third....you call abusing the manned ack bug *unsportsmanlike*. In sports players get penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct while on the playing field. 'nuff said.
MuckMAW, I have read your replies and I am greatly pleased by your attitude towards abusing a known bug. If you ever feel like you want fly for a Fighter squad, let me know. We'll save a spot for ya :)
I'm done with this thread, in fact I'm not even gonna read any more replies to it :)
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
The Ends do NOT justify the means.
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Originally posted by Elfie
2 wrongs dont make a right, never did and never will.
MuckMAW, I have read your replies and I am greatly pleased by your attitude towards abusing a known bug. If you ever feel like you want fly for a Fighter squad, let me know. We'll save a spot for ya :)
I'm done with this thread, in fact I'm not even gonna read any more replies to it :)
2 wrongs don't make a right.....but 3 left do!!! :D Sorry, could'nt help it.
I appreciate your position Elfie, and your invitation. I have been with the Marine Air Wing for almost 4 years now, which spans my entire career in online flight sims. Even if the MAW disbanded, I would still wear the name and carry on the squad in repect for the guys who have become close friends over the years.
I wish you well with your squad, and we'll see you up!
All the best...
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Originally posted by Widewing
You fail to understand my point. I’ll try again.
...We looked at many different ways to circumvent the rules, without actually violating them. ...
... Yet, the car met the letter of the rules, if not the spirit. ...
And I put it to you, Widewing, that you fail to get the point at all.
The information available to each pilot depends solely on what their FE shows them. When you shoot or bomb a field ack, and see the explosion, you know that the gun has been destroyed. If you fly over the gun position and look, you will see a wrecked gun.
IRL, wrecked guns are not capable of firing; the other players have an expectation that, if a gun appears destroyed, it is destroyed, and won't be shooting at them. If you find a bug in the system that allows you to jump into a wrecked gun and fire it, you are breaking the rules.
Let's turn it around a little differently. Suppose someone found a bug in AH where, if they were flying a C-Hog with one rocket on its rails, and they got shot down, everyone else would see an explosion and a kill would be credited, but they were able to continue to fly their now-invisible plane and shoot down other players. Would you handwave people doing this as being merely "unsportsmanlike", or would you call it cheating?
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Originally posted by Shiva
And I put it to you, Widewing, that you fail to get the point at all.
The information available to each pilot depends solely on what their FE shows them. When you shoot or bomb a field ack, and see the explosion, you know that the gun has been destroyed. If you fly over the gun position and look, you will see a wrecked gun.
IRL, wrecked guns are not capable of firing; the other players have an expectation that, if a gun appears destroyed, it is destroyed, and won't be shooting at them. If you find a bug in the system that allows you to jump into a wrecked gun and fire it, you are breaking the rules.
Let's turn it around a little differently. Suppose someone found a bug in AH where, if they were flying a C-Hog with one rocket on its rails, and they got shot down, everyone else would see an explosion and a kill would be credited, but they were able to continue to fly their now-invisible plane and shoot down other players. Would you handwave people doing this as being merely "unsportsmanlike", or would you call it cheating?
If you had read the entire thread, you would have noticed that I lost an aircraft to a supposedly dead field ack myself. I was unaware of the reset bug, having only just logged on. However, once I new what was going on, I avoided flying low over enemy fields. Pretty simple solution, no? Sure, it was rather sneaky, but I wasn’t overly upset. In this environment you learn to expect anything.
Furthermore, countless individuals manned field acks that had been destroyed, but did not realize it. Hell, if it’s available on the clipboard, it must be operational, or so you would think.
By the way, this is a commonly seen reset bug. The gun has no barrel or sight, yet can still shoot. I’ve seen it several times in the past.
You stated,” If you find a bug in the system that allows you to jump into a wrecked gun and fire it, you are breaking the rules.”
Okay, what specific rule were they breaking? Where can this rule be viewed?
How do you establish that they knew the gun was destroyed prior to manning it?
Your analogy is faulty. Field guns don’t fly, they have no mobility, and you could not take off in an invisible C-Hog. Indeed, the pilot in your hypothetical example may have had no clue that he was invisible. Your strawman example doesn’t wash.
Finally, if a situation arises from a software bug, it is impossible, short of an admission, to prove that the offender knew of the bug. Without proof of deliberate deception, you cannot claim they were cheating and have a leg to stand on.
As far as the bug’s effect in ship ops went, there was no advantage to be had, because both sides in the fight had the same capability. In fact, the channel 1 chatter clearly indicated that everyone involved found it entertaining. Even I found it amusing despite having a Hellcat damaged by ack from an invisible cruiser. I ditched it near our fleet and manned a turret on our cruiser, which was still afloat, although not for long, the invisible cruiser nailed it. We in turn sank their carrier while they slammed ours with their stealth cruiser. Where’s the advantage? Anyone?
One other point I want to address is this nonsense some have been tossing around about “reputation”. Do any of you people seriously think that this has the slightest intrinsic value? Let’s engage in an exercise of perceptual reasoning.
Think about this. You exchange comments with someone you don’t know at all, and their remarks were generally unkind. Days later that person essentially unknown by you, drops dead. Will you give a fiddler’s damn? Be honest. Most people will say no, they don’t give a damn. So, if someone does not care if you live or die, do you seriously believe that they give a damn what you THINK?
Remember, it’s just a damned GAME!!!!!
My regards,
Widewing
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I really want to say somthing to the Bendejo who is pale whit and logs 400 hours a month..and changes his name cause hes a scared little girl...but..nevermind ...mooooooo
Plane and simple...yo..Moo boy.....Here is my middle finger...It is great that we get ur panties all bunched up..ITS WORKING!!.....cause as long as the majority are happy..take your tent & Camp somewhere else...
Golly-gee...whaaaaaa
you guys are cheating.,,,,,whaaaaa..my rank waaaaaa
HT fixed it so get back to your spawn point 2nd accountmasterbating.....
Go to Hell
BiGB
666
P.S. Im going to get a restraining order on you...Girl..you need to get over me....Dont try to use the "im pregnant'line with me...
P.P.S..Chupa mi verga tu pinche hota
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
I really want to say somthing to the Bendejo who is pale whit and logs 400 hours a month..and changes his name cause hes a scared little girl...but..nevermind ...mooooooo
Plane and simple...yo..Moo boy.....Here is my middle finger...It is great that we get ur panties all bunched up..ITS WORKING!!.....cause as long as the majority are happy..take your tent & Camp somewhere else...
Golly-gee...whaaaaaa
you guys are cheating.,,,,,whaaaaa..my rank waaaaaa
HT fixed it so get back to your spawn point 2nd accountmasterbating.....
Go to Hell
BiGB
666
P.S. Im going to get a restraining order on you...Girl..you need to get over me....Dont try to use the "im pregnant'line with me...
P.P.S..Chupa mi verga tu pinche hota
What frightens me most is the fact that aside from English and Italian, I now speak fluent BGB.:D
Commander, I respectfully request the authority to receive all intended posts via e-mail prior to posting so I may add in the proper capitilization, and punctuation. Please be sure to fully describe any off color hand gestures you might be using at the time. I'll also ask that all posts be submitted in English until I have received my copy of "Conversational Filthy Spanish."
Finally, any and all animal carcases, including but not limited to road kill, and horse heads should be sent to me via the normal channels in specially marked, hermatically sealed containers before they will be forwarded on to the intended recipients.
Respectfully,
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lolo i love this place..makes work day fun!!..
Thx Muck..Salute:)
Hammy....you to. FROM THE LAND OF SKY BLUEE WATEERRSS!!
Salt on the can..lololo
Salute
BiGB
xoxo
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>>Yes I can blame a guy for having some fun with it. Why? because it takes away from the game and other peoples fun. No one has the right to exploit a bug in a manner that ruins someone elses fun. Period. One of my high school history teachers taught us this: Freedom isn't the right to do whatever you please. Freedom is the right to do what you know is right. <<
Whoa! :eek: Going back to High School, and a lesson a history teacher taught? :eek: Uh this is a game right? Or so I thought, and to equate it with the price of freedom etc. etc is a bit over the top. There are more serious topics related to freedom, and its history. Perhaps its time to reset and take a long look at the difference between the two.
Because this is a game, there will be those who treat it as such, and nothing more. By all means, report the bug, move away from that particular target area, or log off until the thing is fixed. <---- that is an example of "knowing what is right" ;)
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I was right the first time.
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Originally posted by Widewing
However, once I new what was going on, I avoided flying low over enemy fields. Pretty simple solution, no? Sure, it was rather sneaky, but I wasn’t overly upset. In this environment you learn to expect anything.
Including expecting that the parameters set out by HTC describing the manner in which targets can be destroyed and how long they take to rebuild will be adhered to?
Okay, what specific rule were they breaking? Where can this rule be viewed?
Go look at http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html#targets and look at 'Guns' in the section 'Field'. Destroyed by 1 100-lb bomb, downtime 2 hours. If you destroy a manned ack, and the player who was manning it jumps right back into it and shoots at you, without the eight player supply runs (or four supply convoys, or combination thereof) necessary to rebuild the gun immediately, then this is a violation of the parameters that HT has set up for the simulation. Jumping into a destroyed gun and shooting at planes with it is taking advantage of a bug in the code for your own benefit at the expense of other players -- breaking the rules.
How do you establish that they knew the gun was destroyed prior to manning it?
"I've just jumped into this mannable ack, and I don't see a gun or gunsight. But I don't know that the gun's been destroyed, even though not seeing the gun or gunsight is an indicator of the known bug that lets you man and fire a destroyed gun, so I'll stay here and shoot at enemy planes."
If you don't know about the bug the first time you do it, it's ignorance. The second time you do it, you're cheating. Or if you find out about the bug and do it anyway, it's cheating.
Your analogy is faulty. Field guns don’t fly, they have no mobility, and you could not take off in an invisible C-Hog. Indeed, the pilot in your hypothetical example may have had no clue that he was invisible. Your strawman example doesn’t wash.
Faulty? How? In both cases, there is a defect in the game that allows a player to shoot down other players while being completely unnoticed. The example I gave simply required a more complicated setup -- you need to take off in a C-Hog with rockets, fire all but one of them, and then find a group of enemy aircraft and 'fly stupid' until one of them shoots up your plane -- and then you're invisible and can shoot down planes without them knowing you're there, the same way manning a 'destroyed' field gun lets you shoot down planes without them knowing you're there. My reasoning stands. Doing it because you don't know any better is ignorance; doing it after you know that you're exploiting a bug is cheating.
Remember, it’s just a damned GAME!!!!!
If it doesn't have any rules, it's not a game, it's fantasy wish-fulfillment anarchy. The rules of AH are the parameters of the simulation that HTC defines; if because of a bug in the simulation, you are able to do something that would be prohibited by those parameters, you are breaking the rules of the game, and are therefore a cheater.
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Originally posted by Shiva
Including expecting that the parameters set out by HTC describing the manner in which targets can be destroyed and how long they take to rebuild will be adhered to?
Go look at http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/map.html#targets and look at 'Guns' in the section 'Field'. Destroyed by 1 100-lb bomb, downtime 2 hours. If you destroy a manned ack, and the player who was manning it jumps right back into it and shoots at you, without the eight player supply runs (or four supply convoys, or combination thereof) necessary to rebuild the gun immediately, then this is a violation of the parameters that HT has set up for the simulation. Jumping into a destroyed gun and shooting at planes with it is taking advantage of a bug in the code for your own benefit at the expense of other players -- breaking the rules.
"I've just jumped into this mannable ack, and I don't see a gun or gunsight. But I don't know that the gun's been destroyed, even though not seeing the gun or gunsight is an indicator of the known bug that lets you man and fire a destroyed gun, so I'll stay here and shoot at enemy planes."
If you don't know about the bug the first time you do it, it's ignorance. The second time you do it, you're cheating. Or if you find out about the bug and do it anyway, it's cheating.
Faulty? How? In both cases, there is a defect in the game that allows a player to shoot down other players while being completely unnoticed. The example I gave simply required a more complicated setup -- you need to take off in a C-Hog with rockets, fire all but one of them, and then find a group of enemy aircraft and 'fly stupid' until one of them shoots up your plane -- and then you're invisible and can shoot down planes without them knowing you're there, the same way manning a 'destroyed' field gun lets you shoot down planes without them knowing you're there. My reasoning stands. Doing it because you don't know any better is ignorance; doing it after you know that you're exploiting a bug is cheating.
If it doesn't have any rules, it's not a game, it's fantasy wish-fulfillment anarchy. The rules of AH are the parameters of the simulation that HTC defines; if because of a bug in the simulation, you are able to do something that would be prohibited by those parameters, you are breaking the rules of the game, and are therefore a cheater.
I'm still waiting to see the RULE that defines it as "cheating".
I'm not interested in your personal interpretation of the MOTD.
SHOW ME THE RULE!!!!
We experience differences between the MOTD and what is actually happening in the CT quite frequently. Acks sometimes come up in a fraction of the time defined in the MOTD. So, you deack a V base, kill the VH and return with a C-47, only to find the manable ack up much sooner than defined. Is the guy manning the ack cheating, because he manned it sooner than the MOTD defined the down time? Heck no! These incidents are caused by how the arena is set up. Users have no control over that. This week, the CM set up the Spit9 to be available at selected fields. It turned out that it was available at all fields. Does that mean that the guys who flew Spit9s from those non-selected fields were cheating? Hell, it was on their clipboard!!!
Since several have determined to make this a legal type of argument, then I expect them to provide proof that cheating occurred. Cheating is a strong word, and it's being tossed around way too lightly. So, where is your proof that any individual "cheated"? Futhermore, you can't even prove it with film, because film does not address the issue of intent, and without evidence of intent, you have no case for "cheating" even if were determined to be such in the first place.
I can't recall when I last witnessed such anal reasoning. Nearly 150 years ago, American author Henry David Thoreau captured the essence of this anal thought and reasoning process when he penned; "Trifles captivate small minds."
Get over it gentlemen, it was trifling incident well in the past. Yet, I'll bet that this is too much to hope for....
My regards,
Widewing
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>> I fail to see the humor in that two-bit gutter induced crap pile you call a response. Your fantasies pertaining to anatomical impossibilities is indicative of your countenancing recessive behaviors. Id paraphrase that but it would get nasty. If you showed up on gay-pride day theyd send you packing as socially unacceptable. Any three-faced devil chewing on the bitterest slime in the universe would regurgitate his last meal at the thought of taking a bite out of your disgusting hide. <<
Hyuk, Hyuk... Gee you talk purty :D
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well if u cant say it was "cheating" u most certainly can say it was "wrong", on the occasions i saw it happen i saw people telling the player manning the gun what was happening but they chose to ignore it and continue exploiting the bug,
that is "wrong" and by other definitions it was also "cheating".
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40DOGMAW haben verhältnismäßig niedrigen Respekt für jedermann in diesem Spiel. Wie einige seiner Bauteile. Ich mag sie sehen, auf dem Meldungsbrett bekanntzugeben, weil es ihre Intelligenz an jeder in der Gemeinschaft mitteilt. Halten Sie es herauf MAWS!! So ist es am besten, ihr wenig verzögertes Erscheinen für alle uns gerade zu genießen, weil es Ihnen ein gutes Glucksen gibt, wenn Sie nicht nehmen, was sie persönlich sagen.
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Originally posted by TAILGUNNR
40DOGMAW haben verhältnismäßig niedrigen Respekt für jedermann in diesem Spiel. Wie einige seiner Bauteile. Ich mag sie sehen, auf dem Meldungsbrett bekanntzugeben, weil es ihre Intelligenz an jeder in der Gemeinschaft mitteilt. Halten Sie es herauf MAWS!! So ist es am besten, ihr wenig verzögertes Erscheinen für alle uns gerade zu genießen, weil es Ihnen ein gutes Glucksen gibt, wenn Sie nicht nehmen, was sie persönlich sagen.
According to free translation:
40Dogmaw have comparatively low respect for anybody in this game. How would unite its components. I like to see it to announce on the message board because it announces its intelligence at each in the partnership. Hold it up MAWS! So it is the best its little delayed appearance for everyone just to enjoy us because it gives a good gurglinging to you, if you do not take, what they personally say.
I think I understood it more in German.
:eek:
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I think it says...tailgunner suffers from MAW envy
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Originally posted by Hammy
well if u cant say it was "cheating" u most certainly can say it was "wrong", on the occasions i saw it happen i saw people telling the player manning the gun what was happening but they chose to ignore it and continue exploiting the bug,
that is "wrong" and by other definitions it was also "cheating".
Now we're getting closer to the proper description of what occurred. the term "wrong" is closer to appropriate. Indeed, it was certainly nothing less than "lame".
Earlier in this thread I described the efforts I made to limit the exploitation of a bug in the CT. I find it to be unfortunate that people may deliberately profit from a bug. However, in a general sense, I don't see it as "cheating". I have also pointed out that once people start taking advantage of a bug, there's no stopping it from spreading simply because others are going to want some revenge. Believe me, it's human nature.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
SHOW ME THE RULE!!!!
HiTech Creations Terms of Service Agreement
"11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse."
We experience differences between the MOTD and what is actually happening in the CT quite frequently. Acks sometimes come up in a fraction of the time defined in the MOTD. So, you deack a V base, kill the VH and return with a C-47, only to find the manable ack up much sooner than defined. Is the guy manning the ack cheating, because he manned it sooner than the MOTD defined the down time? Heck no! These incidents are caused by how the arena is set up.
To use your own words, Widewing, "Your analogy is faulty." You are citing an example where the acks come up faster than the putative arena settings would indicate. Fine. Acks come up; if you run eight goon loads of field supplies into a field, any acks that were down before you started will have come up when you finish, even if you bring all eight goons over the field 5 seconds after the acks were killed. What makes your analogy faulty is that the acks came up -- the gun is visible on the field as being there and being live, not wreckage in a blackened crater. If the goon driver lumbers in without looking to make sure the acks are down, then he deserves to get shot down. But if he flies in, checks the field, sees that all the acks are destroyed, overflies the field, and gets shot down by someone shooting a 'destroyed' gun, that shooter is cheating -- they are abusing a bug in the system for their own benefit.
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Originally posted by Shiva
HiTech Creations Terms of Service Agreement
"11. Subscribers are expressly prohibited from engaging in any activity that constitutes, in the sole opinion of HiTech Creations, system abuse."
You are aware, I hope, that HTC did not consider this incident to be "system abuse".
Case closed.
My regards,
Widewing
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> Widewing
You gave it your best shot ... its not penetrating the gray matter, so you just might as well save your breath.
Some people just can't see the forest thru the trees no matter how hard you try. I have to say that I have enjoyed watching you try.
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Well, YOU bear in mind that "the ends justify the means"
didn't hold up in Nuremburg either.
You know it's wrong, you state you know it's wrong, but you sidestep calling it cheating, interesting,
Never knew flightsims were home to so many "elected" officials.
Hey Hi-tech, Pyro, et al I know you really don't want to enter this discussion, but speaking as a re-eval guy, why don't you Email me with your view on this,
I'd like to know before deciding to commit where the line is drawn.
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Originally posted by pzvg
Well, YOU bear in mind that "the ends justify the means"
didn't hold up in Nuremburg either.
You know it's wrong, you state you know it's wrong, but you sidestep calling it cheating, interesting,
Never knew flightsims were home to so many "elected" officials.
Hey Hi-tech, Pyro, et al I know you really don't want to enter this discussion, but speaking as a re-eval guy, why don't you Email me with your view on this,
I'd like to know before deciding to commit where the line is drawn.
Now wait a minute! You are comparing this to war crimes!!!
Lolololol :rolleyes:
I never said it was "wrong", I said it the term "wrong" was closer to the truth than the term "cheating".
Words have meaning, and too many posters in this thread have used them carelessly. Some people appear to have profitted from a reset bug, and possibly did so intentionally. If unintentional, there is nothing to discuss. If intentional, then it is unfortunate and clearly lame. Only HTC gets to define cheating, and so far they haven't defined what happened with that minor and short-lived bug as being cheating.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by TAILGUNNR
40DOGMAW haben verhältnismäßig niedrigen Respekt für jedermann in diesem Spiel. Wie einige seiner Bauteile. Ich mag sie sehen, auf dem Meldungsbrett bekanntzugeben, weil es ihre Intelligenz an jeder in der Gemeinschaft mitteilt. Halten Sie es herauf MAWS!! So ist es am besten, ihr wenig verzögertes Erscheinen für alle uns gerade zu genießen, weil es Ihnen ein gutes Glucksen gibt, wenn Sie nicht nehmen, was sie persönlich sagen.
Huh?!? Anyways, im surprised to see this thread go this far, even if it was because Voss got mad because I killed him. Anyway, it was a simple map bug. Cheating is editing/hacking/modifying code to get around the set rules. This was just a simple ack bug that was fixed the next day. It was just 1 day where people cuold have fun in the acks before it would be fixed. Helped me with my accuracy when manning ack guns, so really the only harm done is just the score potatos whining because their score went down a few points.
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exactly meatwad....
too funny.."name" little whiny pinche hota:)
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BiGB
xoxo
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Wonderin why this hasnt been locked yet heh