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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Animal on February 20, 2003, 03:46:39 PM
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How about a forum for political/religious/sociological, and other such discussions, separate from the O'Club? Something like "The War Room" would be a nice name, in homage to Dr. SL :)
To me, and I bet to a lot of other people, coming to this BBS is simply not much enjoyable anymore because its been riddled with political/religious threads. Any other thread not political will quickly fly away from the first page.
Threads about aviation, technology, "funny" threads, good old rants, lifestyle threads, threads about computer gaming and flight simming, etc, are pushed away in a matter of minutes to give way to the same hostile discussions by the same people.
IMO it harms the comunity because it gives the impression that there is only conflict among members. A year ago you could come here and find a relatively friendly enviroment. Not anymore.
The other forum I frequent in http:///www.arstechnica.com does this with nice success, they simply have a separate forum called "The Soapbox" which is specifically for that kind of discussion. It works like a charm.
I think this is a good idea and I doubt it will take much effort to implement.
So, what do you think?
And to the others reading this, do you agree? if not, why?
PS: This would NOT be a forum to flame others, but to discuss political/social/religious/etc discussions. Flamewars and ad-homs should not be allowed, not even there.
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seconded
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I just did a count. And of the 25 topics showed in the first o'club page in my browser, 16 fall into 'War Room' category.
The others are almost on the bottom of the page, except for this one, which I am keeping up.
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Originally posted by Animal
I just did a count. And of the 25 topics showed in the first o'club page in my browser, 16 fall into 'War Room' category.
The others are almost on the bottom of the page, except for this one, which I am keeping up.
Was the duck poo thread a mover or a keeper?
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lol, keeper
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Great idea- then I won't have to read through political threads authored by people who feel like they have all the answers and are, in fact,clueless. LOL I'd visit that forum as often as I've visited the Bug Reports forum.
:rolleyes:
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good idea
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Airhead is gay.
SOB
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Animal is just saying this because he is a communist. Down with Mexico!!!!
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Go easy on that Down With Mexico stuff Funked. Who do you think will work in the oil fields after we kill off the Iraquis?
Psssstttt....Animal, LOOK!! ->:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
hee hee hee
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Anti-war protestrors suck!!!! Any comments?
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Airhead
:rolleyes:
Aww toejam how I could forget, thanks for reminding me!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I agree - politics and religion in a separate forum.
Mike/wulfie
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As an avid political poster, I feel as though my rights are being trampled by the Nazi HTC administration.
Perhaps reperations are in order... lets PROTEST!
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punt
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"To me, and I bet to a lot of other people, coming to this BBS is simply not much enjoyable anymore because its been riddled with political/religious threads"
Very true.
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Good idea Animal. I agree.
Until then, SOB has a pretty good way of dealing with potentially scurrilous posts, by changing the subject.
And when SOB speaks, people listen.:D
We CAN fight back by just following his que, and following up. Soon, the thread will become so discombobulated, it will lose its inertia.
But SOB can't do it alone, and it won't work without a core group of supporters.
Its been my observation you FDBs are talented BBS operators, and I can honestly say I have never (in two years) seen any of you hurl a personal insult at anyone on this board. Some here may disagree, but IMHO you're darn good role models. It takes guts and self-discipline to be that way. Keep on keeping on. However it is you do it, you're doing it right.
Now, on a more serious note, I want to talk about
"gruel"
with SOB. Was a time I used to take roast beef, rice, mushrooms and soup (which kind doesn't matter), and mix them all up into a concoction I dubbed gruel (not the original gruel by a long shot.) Darn good stuff. Each time, the ingredients changed, with various combinations of whatever there was to eat.
Any of you guys ever do anything like that? And what were the most unlikely combinations of ingredients used? Please just post serious replys. Example: Tomato soup, pickles, boiled peanuts and bananas would qualify as "gruel" only if it was good. Btw, I haven't tried this one yet.:D
Les
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Guess nobody's ever been to an O'Club.
:D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p
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I disagree.
I mean suppose I hate all the cat-threads or all the look at my car/gun/house/di*k threads where people post pictures of their cars/guns/houses/whatever. I think those threads should be moved to a sub-forum under the Bug report forum...
BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION
People like to talk about different things. When I see a thread about something I dont want to talk about, I simply avoid clicking on it. If you want more funny threads Animal...just start more funny threads...if the funny threads dissapear from page 1, but the war/politics/religion/evolution threads stay, that should tell you something about what people want to discuss. You should not try to enforce your personal opinion on the rest of us here.
To diversify the O'club, to split it up into several smaller forums will only lead to a loss of interest in this BB.
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Hurl bigtoe,
The problem is, that when I, and many other (probably dozends) of people click on the o'club, expecting to see a discussion on something interesting and entertaining, we only see the same old tired discussion about politics and religion.
Mind you, I dont want you to stop discussing those issues that you oh so love to disagree with others about, I just want there to be two separate forums, one for entertaining morning readings about technological/entertainment/media/funny facts to start the day, and another new forum for serious political/religious/socio topics.
It would not be taking anything away from you.
All I really want is a place where I can talk with CyranoAH about aerospace, with MiniD about movies, with Curval about Clockwork Orange and other masterpieces, with miko2d about genetics, with Hangtime about RC technology, with bloom25 about computer technology, with Ripsnort about fitness, with straffo about european lifestyle, with eagl (who's gone now) about an interest on military aviation, etc, etc, without the constant interruption of people who want to impose their political agenda, pushing back any other subject.
Thats it.
And I want to hear Skuzzys/HiTech words agreeing with me, or telling me it cant be done, for x and y reason.
I like this comunity, I just dont like the way its going. IMO, it was better before.
PS: As of 4:20AM (coincidence I promise) 76% of the threads on the O'Club are about political/sociological/religious discussions. Wouldnt that be reason to add a new forum for these topics?
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I dont get it. Apparently 76% of the threads in this forum is about war/politics/religion. Doesnt that tell you that YOU are in minority when you say that you dont want to talk about stuff like that?
I *promise* you that if you start a thread where you talk with CyranoAH about aerospace or whatever, the persons wanting to talk politics and war will not dive into that thread and attempt to hijack it.
You say you want
All I really want is a place where I can talk with CyranoAH about aerospace, with MiniD about movies, with Curval about Clockwork Orange and other masterpieces, with miko2d about genetics, with Hangtime about RC technology, with bloom25 about computer technology, with Ripsnort about fitness, with straffo about european lifestyle, with eagl (who's gone now) about an interest on military aviation, etc, etc, without the constant interruption of people who want to impose their political agenda.
Well, guess what, you've got that place right here. Its called the O'club. What exactly is it that bothers you so much when people talk about subjects you find not-so-interesting?
And I think its nice of you to say that you have no problem with me talking about stuff I find interesting...as long as I do it somewhere else. Because that is EXACTLY what you are saying here: I dont want you to stop discussing those issues that you oh so love to disagree with others about, I just want there to be two separate forums, one for entertaining morning readings about technological/entertainment/media/funny facts to start the day, and another new forum for serious political/religious/socio topics.
The O'club has a way of moderating itself. Topics that many people want to talk about tend to stay on top, topics that few people want to talk about tend to drift down to page 2. Your solution to this is to take all the "popular" topics and move them to another forum.
It solves the wrong problem, and will only cause people to lose interest in this BB. These things move in cycles. Sooner or later, people will get tired of bashing the French, or talking about Iraq, or talking about politics. Then they will start talking about something else. Right now everyone wants to talk about Iraq, wmd's, war, simply because it is on everybodys mind these days.
You should respect that. And as I said, what exactly is your problem anyway? No one is forcing you to read the posts you find uninteresting.
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Yeah, the o'club has a way of moderating itself; threads that are NOT political or religious tend to die. Not because more people like those threads, but because peoeple who like those threads, post more.
How about this - a separate forum for threads that are NOT political/religious?
The O'club remains the way it is now, and another forum for threads that do not fit into the political/religious format of the o'club.
You dont have to read it if you dont want to. If you are more interested in arguing the virtues of x or y political philosphy, you'll have your own specialized place to do so, NOTHING WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOUR DAILY FLAME WAR.
I'd talk to CyranoAH and others there, and I wouldnt be interrupting You.
I dont see why you would disagree, only for the sake of disagreeing, and you'd have plenty of that if my wish is granted.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I *promise* you that if you start a thread where you talk with CyranoAH about aerospace or whatever, the persons wanting to talk politics and war will not dive into that thread and attempt to hijack it.
LOL
Originally posted by Leslie
Its been my observation you FDBs are talented BBS operators, and I can honestly say I have never (in two years) seen any of you hurl a personal insult at anyone on this board.
Les
Obviously you have missed the times when I called Toad a souless scumbag retard with mud flowing thru his veins, but thats irrelevant because deep inside I really do like him :)
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It's OK, Animal.
Common Sense and an Accountability/Responsibilty philosophy often bring out insecurity, feelings of inadequacy and outright hate in some people.
But you're still not getting any of my beer............
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I bet you're gutted, Animal. Now you'll have to buy your own beer! There's personal accountability for you. :D
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Originally posted by Toad
It's OK, Animal.
Common Sense and an Accountability/Responsibilty philosophy often bring out insecurity, feelings of inadequacy and outright hate in some people.
But you're still not getting any of my beer............
You can have one of mine but you need to cross the pond (*) first ;)
(*) it's the correct expression ?
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That's the correct expression, Naso. :)
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Hey ... I'm not Naso :)
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's the correct expression, Naso. :)
:confused:
He is Straffo!!!
:)
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After this demonstration we can conclude that Naso is not me and that I'm not him ... I thing :D
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Animal said:"snip....with political/religious threads"
You mean political and ANTI-religious threads.
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Doh! Sorry guys. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You mean political and ANTI-religious threads.
Nothing like an acutal example to make Animal's point.
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I for once am with Animal. 100%
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good idea Animal, seperate them.
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Isn't there allready a 'gameplay' forum and an 'AC and vehicles' one? You can be funny in them too I bet.
you would have to change this one to... what? the "stay on topic" forum?
lazs
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Pitiful whine. Animal and LDV are definately disgruntled elitists who seek to dominate all life on earth and spread hacked DNA across the universe.
I say we find a brickwall to catch the strays and get it over with :)
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sure, since it's causing a problem and potentially driving people away.
Originally posted by Animal
And to the others reading this, do you agree? if not, why?
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I thot this forum was to keep off topic stuff away from the "general discussion" group?
Perhaps a new forum that called... "anything but religion, politics, guns or cars cause i don't know squat about any of those things"?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I thot this forum was to keep off topic stuff away from the "general discussion" group?
Perhaps a new forum that called... "anything but religion, politics, guns or cars cause i don't know squat about any of those things"?
lazs
Or, know more than you, but am not morbidly obsessed by it?
No need to be defensive, nothing would be taken away from you...
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Its the O'Club and by tradition the O'Club is "no holds barred" yet some who seem "unhappy" or have had their "feelings hurt" want to change the long established order of things.
Lets sudivide the catagories. People are unhappy with the O'Club. People may leave the game so change we must.
Wulfie has already opted out. The end is near.
Religion = Baaaaaad
Politics = Baaaaad
Iraq smack = Baaaaad
Load of tripe methinks.
Getting upset is just one of the things that happen when you discuss topics not belonging in the general forum.
Just get rid of the O'Club altogether. Problem solved.
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Yeah good idea squeak about off topic posts in an off topic forum
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I don't understand the need to move politics to its own forum. Then again, I don't understand 192 threads saying the exact same things on the exact same subjects.
Maybe we could just have a new forum for "Tired discussions of the same old toejam".
MiniD
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No animal... I think you and the other 5 guys deserve your own forum. The CT forum is pretty polite.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mini D
I don't understand the need to move politics to its own forum. Then again, I don't understand 192 threads saying the exact same things on the exact same subjects.
Maybe we could just have a new forum for "Tired discussions of the same old toejam".
MiniD
Hear hear!!!
I'd rather see a 300 post thread on Iraq, than 30 with ten posts each.
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Leslie is gay! ...and I agree with Animal. Nothing against political/religious-type threads, it's just that there's so many of them that they merit their own forum. The fact that there's easily a page and a half worth of posts in the Oclub now every day says enough for me.
SOB
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What Gay SOB said. I can't keep up, which sucks when you're really ripping someone good and making brilliant points and suddenly your post warps three pages back. Oh well, weather's getting nicer which cuts into my computer time and I'm having more fun on the PETA boards discussing chickens.
I'll still check in here, just not as much. Maybe only once an hour- or even less.
Gay Airhead
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God is a Republican. :p
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it sounds good...really why wouldent someone want a special place for themselves so they can flame each other mercilessly over silly topics while topics with some real meat are left to die??#???
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so they can flame each other mercilessly over silly topics while topics with some real meat are left to die
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I nominate you to be the Chief of Topics Police.
Really, some of you guys need to go get laid.
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I dont understand what the difficulty here is in starting more "my cat took a crap that looks like Jesse Jackson - PICS!!!" posts if thats what youre into.
If you dont want to read political posts, dont read political posts. Its really that simple.
No need to exile a topic you dont find interesting to another board - just mentally "squelch" it.
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You dont seem to get it.
No posts will be censored, no political topics banned.
All that we are saying is that there are so many political/etc threads that they merit their own forum.
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But what happens if someone hijacks a thread in the "fun with dirt"-forum and turns it into a political discussion? It might hurt the feelings of those not wanting to read political stuff.
Can you please moderate the new forum to make sure that no thread is ever hijacked again?
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I hardly visit the O'Club at all now and if I do spend seconds there where once I used to hang around and read. This is for the same reasons I no longer read the AGW Off topic forum. Too many idiots who believe their particular choice of politics is the right one and everyone else must be stupid to think otherwise and get called names and derided for having an opinion opposite to theirs. There is a nastier side to AGW with a small number of posters posting up racist comments, using current affairs to forward their own grubby xenophobic feelings and for a time I was worried that this would happen in the AH forums.
My own politcal views are personal, I will discuss politics if someonewants a proper conversation but I feel that the forums are allowing people to post offensive messages to deride anothers political view whilst hiding behidn their monitor, it's not debate and cowardly as these posters would not often dare to be so outspoken in a RL situation. It's this kind of posting that splits a community.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
But what happens if someone hijacks a thread in the "fun with dirt"-forum and turns it into a political discussion? It might hurt the feelings of those not wanting to read political stuff.
Can you please moderate the new forum to make sure that no thread is ever hijacked again?
This is a moot point, you put it as if hijacking threads was an acceptable behaviour in the first place.
It should never happen in any forum.
You are an adult, you are supposed to understand the concept of maturity...
And I dont see how your "fun at dirt" jab is funny. Threads about aviation, for example, wich were the most common around here are not as trivial as "dirt" since its the same thing we all share and is arguably a subject more worth discussing, since at least it leads somewhere: learning.
IMO what is silly is you and your constant need to shove your beliefs up anyones throat, even if it means hijacking threads NOT about those subjects. The attitude you show towards this idea of mine is you being defensive because you feel that your routine of silly propaganda is threatned, when in fact, its not.
No one will be losing anything.
And again, hijacking should never happen, it only shows that you are so desperate and insecure about your beliefs that you HAVE to cry them out all the time even if it means interrupting a discussion about something totally unrelated.
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Animal's Idea is pretty good. I don't see how the O'Club would be hurt by creating a sub-category or two. The patriots vs anti-chimp debate alone could support it's own forum.
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Originally posted by Animal
IMO what is silly is you and your constant need to shove your beliefs up anyones throat, even if it means hijacking threads NOT about those subjects. The attitude you show towards this idea of mine is you being defensive because you feel that your routine of silly propaganda is threatned, when in fact, its not.
So I take it personal attacks will be tolerated in the new forum though?
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Animal's Idea is pretty good. I don't see how the O'Club would be hurt by creating a sub-category or two. The patriots vs anti-chimp debate alone could support it's own forum.
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Bad idea.
Ever heard of the phrase "Divide and conquer"?
The whole thing stinks of minority scensorship!
Screw em.
The choice is yours:
Be a whimp like wulfie or just be a man and take the crap.
Any other scenario is pro chimp!
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Originally posted by Hortlund
So I take it personal attacks will be tolerated in the new forum though?
Seeing what you choose to reply to, I can safely assume you have no good argument to latch on against the original topic.
LOL I can see these discussions are really important for your daily routine.
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Originally posted by Kanth
sure, since it's causing a problem and potentially driving people away.
I agree the O club is like reading a bad Iraqi newspaper lately
give us a new forum for the politics....
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How about a:
Bash Me - Bash You - I Quit - Player 63545 is a Cheater - "Look How Great I Am, But Stop Calling Me Voss" - I hate Spit HO Ack Running Warp Vulchers forum?
eskimo
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No, just a "Soap Box" Political/Religion Forum would suffice.
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I think making new Forums is only going to lead to the end of the forums myself. After all if there are 100 different ones to read the odds are you will not read any of them. It is like having a TV with 5 channels or 500. When you have 5 you know all about every program. When you have 500 you hardly turn it on. I know because I have 500 channels.
Regarding political threads. If you see a topic you do not like then don't read it.
If you thread gets bumped off the first page then bump it back.
Easy.
Why ask HTC to change everything just because you do not like some of the threads?
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Oh yes, the HTC BBS will collapse, and we’ll all wait in the checksix forums for them to load.
HTC wont change everything, they will just make a rational and easy BBS addition for political and religious topic based posts. It will enhanse the offtopic forum topics.
Of course a few will feel slighted that they don’t have the attention of everyone, but I think that’s Animals point. You don’t. Again, see above.
Its just thread burying nonsense to the Offtopic. And if it's so viable, it will get read.
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Originally posted by Animal
Seeing what you choose to reply to, I can safely assume you have no good argument to latch on against the original topic.
LOL I can see these discussions are really important for your daily routine.
Why the attitude?
I have already said what I think about your idea. I think it is a really bad idea, and I cannot understand why you are bothered by the fact that people want to talk about different things than you. All you have to do is not click on the threads you dont want to read.
wtf the idea is absurd, its just you trying to shove your opinion down on all our throats. "Animal doesnt want to talk politics, so all you politics talkers go to a different forum, "Animal doesnt want to talk about religion, so all you people who wants to do that go away to another forum." etc etc.
Maybe the General forum should be split up into several sub forums too? LW whiners forum, Spitdweeb forum, perk whiners forum...? Because I can guarantee you that there are many more people sick and tired of the perk whiners than there are people upset like you with "uninteresting" topics in the O club.
Get off your damn horse. If you dont want to read about something, then stay out of the thread. You have no right to tell others what they should be allowed to discuss in here.
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LOL
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"Hurl bigtoe" .... hehehe, that'll have me giggling for a few hours ;)
I do agree with Animal too.
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Yes, that was incredibly witty
(bumping this one back up)
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Why don't we just make say 100 forums, each with its own specialty? Then we'd each pick and choose.
And lots would be dead.
There'd have to be a critical mass of posts for it to be worthwhile. The way I see it, today people post stuff in the O' Club they want to talk about. Perhaps we should establish the possible consequences and likelihoods - a cost/benefit analysis - before we venture into forum-splitting.
I have a dozen or so forums I participate in - everything from sky/scuba diving to philosophy and evolution. I see no need to split a well functioning forum in two. If one visits the O' Club once every two days, one can still have a good overview over the topics at hand.
And one can elect NOT to take part in threads that aren't interesting. Seems to me the problem isn't the forum, but posters :).
I say 'no'. I like it the way it is.
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8 hours since I last visited the O'club and it's to two pages already.
SOB
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Anybody else notice how Animal resembles Michael Jackson when his nose gets all bent out of shape?
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Originally posted by StSanta
The way I see it, today people post stuff in the O' Club they want to talk about.
Actually, this is wrong.
There are more political posts on the o'club because the same group of people post MORE than the rest.
If you look closely at those threads, its the same small group of people making them and keeping them alive, by hundreds of posts at a time.
Its not that more people like those threads, is that the minority that do likes them, post so much more than the rest, hence you get a forum that belongs to 8 people who like to debate the same subjects, and the many others, simply get washed away.
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I agree.
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Originally posted by Animal
Its not that more people like those threads, is that the minority that do likes them, post so much more than the rest, hence you get a forum that belongs to 8 people who like to debate the same subjects, and the many others, simply get washed away.
Help me out here. The "many others" get "washed away" because?
Because people don't post in them, I'm thinking. Would that be why they sink so fast?
Or is there some other reason why a thread that is supposedly interesting to a lot of people doesn't draw posters?
Are you saying that once a thread drops off the first page BBS users can't find it if they're truly interested?
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Not everyone reads the boards every hour toad. Some of us here at work forget that upon occassion. There just get's to be alot to wade through for those that just stop by occassionally.
Its not that the discussions aren't apreciated or needed or whatever... its just that they are the same thing over and over again. Like its a competition to see who can get the most responses with their take on a subject.
Throw that and a dab of "let's insight a post riot" and you get a pretty good feel for what has happened in the O'Club as of late.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Toad
Are you saying that once a thread drops off the first page BBS users can't find it if they're truly interested?
I thought once a post was off the board it had expired. What's this about other pages??????
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Deja, I think part of it is living in "exciting times". There HAS been a lot of serious stuff going on, particularly with respect to going to war. That issue alone generates a lot of posts and a lot of corollary threads.
When the world scene is calm, the O-Club generally is as well.
Nonetheless, all the threads that "sink" are still there. And even if you come back a day or two later, they're easily found by flipping through the pages or by doing a quick search.
Not that I care a whit if they split the Forum. I'd still skim both. How many extra mouse clicks would it take, after all?
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God is Dead.
No, Leslie, you can't suck yer way into the FDB's.
Saddam is a Chump.
Cumpie is Saddams butt-monkey
Animal is correct, this forum has sucked hind tit ever since France recognized we had an O'Club and they did not.
Though I think Animal has had yet another stroke of genius with this suggestion, I'd suspect that the Skuz would much rather spend his day running connectivity issues than baby-sitting a buch of no-life kissingers in this forum.. or any other.
Nuke Paris, save europe.
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...and another day, and another two pages.
SOB
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Maybe we're going about asking for this forum all wrong... Seems we should be posting the request in about 50 different threads adressed to each other answering questions/comments from this thread.
MiniD
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This thread, in and of itself, is PROOF that the O'Club is operating as designed.
Another thing is the call that 7 or 8 posters have brought about this call for a more diversified sub catagorizing. Im thinking its genuinely 7 or 8 die hard posters that are complaining about an opposite 7 or 8 die hard posters.
Like has been said several times by many more lucid than I:
We are experiencing tremendous upheaval in the political spectrum and coupled with the usual God lovers vrs God haters, things just seem unberable.
I believe things are generally operating as designed.
Ive grown disdainful or changing the normal scheme of things on whims such as this. Honestly, it aint broke....so dont fix it.
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I am less lucid than Yeager so what he said.
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Actually, as has been said by others in this thread, I don't have a problem with any of the posters or what they post. It'd just be nice to have a choice. Most days I'd visit both forums, some days I wouldn't. On the days I didn't, I wouldn't have to wade through twenty-something active topics of the same general category to find other posts. Fairly simple reasoning, I thought.
SOB
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I think the idea has merit... works for me.
But I also kind of think that from HTC's perspective it's a bit weird. The BBS revolves around Aces High, not some cultural/news-type website. So here you get a bunch of AH related forums, natch, and then you get an anything goes off-topic forum. For HTC to start branching off into politics and religion and what-not on a commercial flight sim BBS would strike me as a strange move for them to want to make.
I wouldn't mind seeing it, but a forum list along the lines of: general, gameplay, connectivity, bugs, training, special events, politics, religion, music, poetry, sports.... would be pretty strange.
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I'm scared....SOB is making sense :eek:
Time to shoot out Rip's porch light, steal his moldy bread and government surplus cheese.
Cobra
Oh, and I agree with Airhead.......wait.....that would mean Airhead made sense.....time to also take Rip's overpriced generator too!
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Originally posted by Cobra
I'm scared....SOB is making sense :eek:
Time to shoot out Rip's porch light, steal his moldy bread and government surplus cheese.
Cobra
Oh, and I agree with Airhead.......wait.....that would mean Airhead made sense.....time to also take Rip's overpriced generator too!
Gee Cobra, you sure like paying attention to me. Sorry bud, I'm not available :D
In regards to stealing my MRE's? See below.