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Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: muckmaw on February 24, 2003, 02:25:20 PM
This looks like the last straw fellas.

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has  challenged President George W. Bush to a live international  television and radio debate about the possibility of looming military action, CBS News reported on its Web Site Monday.
  Saddam made the comments in an interview with CBS's Dan Rather.
  Saddam also flatly denied that Iraq's al-Samoud missiles  are in violation of U.N. mandates and indicated he doesn't intend to destroy them or pledge to destroy them as demanded  by chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix, CBS News
reported.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: bounder on February 24, 2003, 02:35:33 PM
Time to break out the duck tape
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: funkedup on February 24, 2003, 02:38:35 PM
I guess the UN will finally have to authorize use of force.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Kanth on February 24, 2003, 02:44:54 PM
I'm sure France and Germany will find a way around it..

perhaps they will reinspect them and find that they aren't really a problem.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Toad on February 24, 2003, 02:48:21 PM
Yeah, Funk, you're making a might big leap there. It is the UN ya know.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: bounder on February 24, 2003, 03:00:29 PM
If the UN SC is to vote on the US/UK plan I predict the following votes from Permanent Members

US:For
UK:For
France:Abstain
China:Abstain
Russia:Abstain

Which means they will need 7 votes from non permanent members, which shouldn't be too hard to ensure...
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Gunthr on February 24, 2003, 03:14:04 PM
Human Shields, report for duty!
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 24, 2003, 03:14:05 PM
Challenged him to a debate?  WTF?

SH must be laughing in his bunker right now - this is downright embarressing.  You know the UN is handling the situation incorrectly when one of the leading candidates for the Third Anti-Christ is challenging the President to a fuggin debate.

I say we support the debate.  Bush can go down in history as the only President to get his hands dirty when he shoots Saddam mid sentence.

Bomb him and get it overwith - sick of hearing about it, and I hate Peter Jennings.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on February 24, 2003, 03:15:28 PM
duct tape... trust me on the spelling, I've seen it on TV atleast 100 times this past week.
-SW
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: john9001 on February 24, 2003, 03:25:33 PM
france and germany are already passing around a memo to increase the number of inspectors, they are saying war should be a "last resort" but they never say when the UN will run out of the other resorts and reach the "last resort".
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Wlfgng on February 24, 2003, 03:42:54 PM
lol seawulfe.. I missed the original spelling of that!

hehe..so that's what keeps a duck's bellybutton watertight!
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on February 24, 2003, 03:55:54 PM
If it's good enough to seal a duck's ass, it's good enough to entomb me in my home during a bio/chem/nuke attack!
-SW
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Dowding on February 24, 2003, 04:07:29 PM
Saddam has just made the biggest mistake of his 'career'.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 24, 2003, 04:08:42 PM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
If it's good enough to seal a duck's ass, it's good enough to entomb me in my home during a bio/chem/nuke attack!
-SW


Hopefully HTC will barricade themselves into the office with some ducT tape and plastic so when the server goes down I can still fly when the bad germs are floating outside my house.

Think Domino's will still deliver?
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: boxboy28 on February 24, 2003, 04:13:23 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Saddam has just made the biggest mistake of his 'career'.


Finally nice to hear DOWDING is coming around!
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Sabre on February 24, 2003, 04:14:33 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Saddam has just made the biggest mistake of his 'career'.


Not a troll, Dowding, but an honest inquiry.  If this in fact is Iraq's official answer to the U.N. order to destroy those missiles, would you consider that it's time then for "the last resort?"  After all, what good are inspections if disarmament does not follow any discoveries of contraband? Just curious regarding your take, as I know you've been an outspoken opponent against military action.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Hangtime on February 24, 2003, 04:48:15 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I say we support the debate.  Bush can go down in history as the only President to get his hands dirty when he shoots Saddam mid sentence.

Bomb him and get it overwith - sick of hearing about it, and I hate Peter Jennings.


LOL.. the 'shooting' sentance struck me as the funniest damn thing I've read in days.

Nice one, Saur!!

Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2003, 05:00:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Saddam has just made the biggest mistake of his 'career'.


Let's hope it's his last.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Turdboy on February 24, 2003, 05:04:48 PM
No hopefully he makes more mistakes and OUR people don't.
Title: Re: duct tape
Post by: ra on February 24, 2003, 05:05:20 PM
I find it saves a lot of duct tape if you just tape it over your nose and mouth.  That way, one roll will last a lifetime.

ra
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Sabre on February 25, 2003, 10:21:20 AM
Still interested to hear Dowding's response.  Thanks.

Sabre
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 25, 2003, 10:41:08 AM
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Originally posted by Sabre
Still interested to hear Dowding's response.  Thanks.

Sabre


:::drum roll:::
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Lance on February 25, 2003, 10:51:44 AM
I dunno, Funked might be right.  Weren't the balking nations all tossing out a new resolution wanting beefed up inspections?  If Iraq does not voluntarily destroy these missles that U.N. weapons inspectors are in violation, it tosses more weight behind Bush's arguments that Saddam will never voluntarily dissarm.

I think U.N. authorization is much more likely to be given after this than it was before.  At worst, I think you'll see France & Russia abstain.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: john9001 on February 25, 2003, 11:01:46 AM
the day before Blix gives his report to the UN saddam will destroy or say he will destroy the missles that were found ( but not the missles that were not found ). Blix will then say 'it's working , we are disarming iraq" and the french will say "give the inspectors more time to do their job, it's working", and saddam will say (to himself) "i'm winning , i'm winning)
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: medicboy on February 25, 2003, 11:13:58 AM
Well lookie here, I heard this actualy suprised GW.  He thought SH would destroy the rockets just to show he is cooperating with the UN and make Bush's case an even tougher sell.  I take it SH doesn't play chess.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: OZkansas on February 25, 2003, 11:16:19 AM
Hmmm, I thought the UN inspectors were in Iraq to confirm that the WMD that Saddam shows are distroyed.  So why would more inspectors be needed as there has been nothing to distroy?

I really think that the missiles not being distroyed is the trigger.  I know that invading Iraq appeaars to some to be the USA swaggering about the world stage.  I'm sorry that you feel that way, but we in the USA feel strongly that Saddam leading any nation is a threat not only to us but to you as well.  Force is the last resort and we have arrived at that point.
Title: News Release: Saddam Will Not Disarm Missles
Post by: Sabre on February 25, 2003, 11:32:37 AM
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Originally posted by john9001
the day before Blix gives his report to the UN saddam will destroy or say he will destroy the missles that were found ( but not the missles that were not found ). Blix will then say 'it's working , we are disarming iraq" and the french will say "give the inspectors more time to do their job, it's working", and saddam will say (to himself) "i'm winning , i'm winning)


Yes, that fits the Iraqi dictator's mode of operation thus far.  You'll note that just before very major report to the U.N. by the inspectors Iraq has pledged to increase cooperation, comply with a request (not all, just one or two), and/or release a handful of pages of documents (of dubious origins and value).  Thus Blix is forced to caveat his report with the words "increased signs of cooperations.  The fact that conditions are attached to any compliance, and that few if any of the documents released in a trickle (23 pages before the last report, 6 letters to the U.N inspectors this week) have proven to be relavent to the open disarmament issues is little publicized.  The half dozen letters this week that Blix referred to today as a "sign of substantial increase in cooperation" don't actually contain any requested information, only promises that they will provide it.  As I've said, Saddam is giving certain member nations on the Council just enough, and nothing more, to give them a reason to avoid "the last resort."  

My question is, what conditions should prompt the last resort?  Resolution 1441 was supposed to BE the last opportunity for Iraq, and stated pretty clearly what was required of Iraq.  Full and immediate compliance with all requests by inspectors, a full written disclosure of their WMD programs, including what happened to their remaining stocks, interviews in private with any and all scientists/participants involved (including a complete list of names, which has never been provided).  This was all supposed to happen immediately, with the initiative on Iraq to feed the process.  Four months later, none of these requirements have been met, or have been met only partially and reluctantly.  Iraq has treated 1441 in the same manner as every resolution that came before it, with contempt.