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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zigrat on June 15, 2000, 05:21:00 PM
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Check this out! Its at the end of the tape. http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/film14.ahf (http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/film14.ahf)
WHO says buffs are paper!? They can fly WITHOUT WINGS.
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You are kidding, right zig? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) You do know that a bad connection can cause those sorts of things, right? And probably did in this case. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I would be very hesitant to call anyone a cheater. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you're just kidding, excuse my reply (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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BTW, I'm at work. When I get home, I'll watch the film before I blab too awful much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If it was Lag?
Why was it when he opened up with his guns, did Zig get killed so fast? This was right after Zig removed his tail also. I mean within second. You mean this guy didn't get an update that "Gee my wings are missing." then he didn't get the update that "Gee My tail is missing" but within seconds he gets the "That Nick in in Range and I can open up and shoot him down" update?
I am curious to know what Hazed has to say on this matter also he was in the area.
And Ultimately what HT and Pyro has to say.
I reccomend that you watch Zigs plane from the external view. IF that guy didn't take the update of that amount of damage, WOW.
Regardless, HT needs to adjust Zigs score.
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I gotta admitt, That's odd. I don't know if I would jump right to the conclusion that he is cheating, but it is odd...
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Greg 'wmutt' Cook
332nd Flying Mongrels
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Updating my score doesn't concern me, score doesn't concern me.
I didnt see him warping at all, and his lag was apparently good enough to kill me like DT said.
I just want to hear what HT or Pyro has to say about what could cause this.
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we can never tell, maybe u guys used to have always an awsome connect. As far as I'm concerned, I have cable and sometimes a guy pass near me and i see no tracers, nose not pointing at me and 1 sec after he passed....ping ping ping boom.
That's frustrating but that's net lag. When I gun a buff, sometimes I shot a guy, light him up for 2 secs, finally his wing rippes and while he strats spining to the ground i eard pingpingpingcrack.
Sometimes for a buff, some bullets rip the wings off, sometimes at same distance, I light him up like a chrismas tree and it's still flying.
It's frustrating, I understand that, but start being clever and live with net lag mysteries. Calling someone a cheater is not nice.
<cheer up, we all more or less gentlemen>
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I downloaded the film but couldna watch it for some reason... guess I'll try again later.
Zig did this guy have a gunner on board? Once I was riding as gunner with someone and we got bounced hard by 3 bandits. I got 2 before the 3rd got the outer half of the right wing. Even with the damage the 17 kept flying straight and level, so the bandit (spit I think) made a second run. This time I got him. Flew on like that for 45-60 seconds, maybe a touch longer. Long enough for the 3rd bandit to ask me how I was keeping that 17 flying with half a wing missing. Then it tumbled to the earth, taking me with it (couldna jump out)
Turned out me pilot had been discoed. He came back in saying his ISP had dropped him. This lead to the theory that the server kept the 17 going straight and level since it couldna reach his FE.
anywho.. just thought I'd throw this out...
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hmmm, had the same thing happen to me in another sim, guy was basically flying a flaming rocket, 20 guys shooting at him and nothing, he was flying a ju52 at the time. I got irate, people started squeaking at me that its just lag, that the other sim couldnt be hacked.
little while later, found out the sim was hacked, guys were packet sniffing. Not saying it is or isnt just that its not always lag. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Well HT is the one who would best know the answer but from what people are saying I would definitely say it sounds like a hack. I really haven't examined HTs protocol but if the protocol data that says "dmg here" is removed or the code that calculates dmg is removed you'll get this problem.
It would have been better if the individual in question was contacted and the problem discussed.
There are a lot of unscrupulous no lifers out there who do this kind of crap. CS has been hacked countless times, although it is it does have a larger fan base and its architecture is open to the public.
You know what the solution to cheating is? Remove the 2 week free period for the main arena, then us real players don't have to deal with the dimwits. But then again I guess it's kind of fun to kill the dimwits.
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He didn't fly straight and level after Zig removes the first wing. He may have gone into auto-climb just after that. He does go pretty straight, with not too violent of a climb. Just before zig takes his tail he does a manuver (goes level?) and then he is starting to bank when he takes zig out, (he is banking to the left. I assume he was on the gun position, and used the rudders to unmask the left waist and tail.
It shows better on the External (F3) View, I kept moving the view to watch the B-26 in question.
The thing here is the update, just before he kills Zig, you can see the tracers, that had to be a pretty recent update, and like ZIg said, no Lag?
Tis odd!
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Watch it with trails on, watch the B-26, he is manuvering, without wings, they aren't violent manuvers, but they do show up with trails on.
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I havent looked at the film cause im at work too, but i will look when i get home. Anyways while we are on the topic of hacking the code...
THE best way to stop pr*cks who hack their code (cause they're too much if a usless pilot to kill any other way) is to put a CRC check routine at the start of the executable that checks the dll files and the exe files and other pertinent files against alteration. There is NO way you can even change a single bit without the CRC checksum changing dramatically. And to avoid people taking the checksum code out, the server will refuse to connect them untill it gets the CRC code back. It could even be seeded by the server sending a random seed to the FE and using that to seed the CRC calculation to avoid people hacking the code to send the 'correct' CRC chcksum.
This will kill any idoit who feks with the code. Wont stop packet filters tho - but i imagine there'd be a way round that too.
Food for thought.
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[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 06-15-2000).]
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"pingpingpingcrack" ROFLOL Frenchy I could not think of a better way to describe it ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I watched it. Looks like a case of extreme lag to me. He prolly took those shots at you several seconds before you took the damage.
Dnil, the 'ol indestructable flyin' fuselage in WB was a bad connx thing.
Seen it on several occasions. It even happened to me once. Was flying along, everything normal, then a squaddie on RW tells me I have no wings and am smoking. I promptly relogged and it went away.
Guys don't get me wrong, I've been on the cheater witch hunt myself. A year ago in WB's I knew a guy who told a squaddie of mine that he had been playing with C+ (or whatever, had a *screenshot* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) and could fly around invisibly. My squaddie smartly took screenshots of the conversation, we sent them to his CO, who dumped him and he quit the game.
I then appointed myself as "conquerer of cheaters" (LOL). I sent iEN a letter telling them of the *hacker*, posted it on AGW, etc. was pretty much like yelling 'shark!' at a beach. Everyone thought they saw cheaters/hackers for a long while.
I thought I had it all figured out. Found out through the grapevine the lil terd was only using a windows keystroke to make his plane dissapear for a few seconds(no, not alt-F4, and if you know it don't say it on this board please). He was a *hacker wannabe*.
Anyways, after going through all that BS, what did I figure out? The word cheater should never be used. If you see suspicious stuff, email pyro and HT and tell them who you saw. I believe they have ways of monitoring their gameplay.
If I had my guess, I'd say 99% of guys who get accused of cheating are just victims of a bad connection themselves.
That is why you won't see HB on open channel yelling cheater, seen to many crazy things to be so easily fooled. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW, you WB's guys know of something called FH, I guarantee you HT and Pyro have all our connections monitored. Why do ya think the H2H is played on HTC's servers anyway?
To sum it all up, I aint skeerd of no cheaters here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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well i watched it--have yet to se anything like that in this sim. There is definately something fishy here.
Whether it is a bug ( my belief, but we dont know the circumstances becuase the pilot hasn't spoke up) or he has figured a way to hack in, I dont know. Definately needs looking into by the management.
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HB--are we allowed to say the "FH" word over here? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Just my 2 cents..
Now....I'm willing to give ANYONE the doubt with connections. (what your FE shows may be different than mine) I have been butting heads with both my ISP's about discos. The last 3 weeks have been the pitts!!!!
Several times I have been 2 mins out the drop zone in a Goon and discoed!! Several times I have been within 2 mins of dropping 1,000 lb'ers on the airfield and discoed!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
IMHO.. less than 2% of the folks could really care less about score! Please don't be too quick to judge others about being Alt-F4 dweebs.
To give a general distress about the 2% (or less) that MIGHT even think about Alt-F4 is REALLY a insult to the TRUE vast majority of the AH pilots. However, the True Alt-F4 dweebs Really needs to get a grasp on the true and faithful bonds of the world of on-line WW-2 flight sims!! (in other words...it's a game...let's have fun) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
OTOH: After watching the video....REALLY cool setup on your targers. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hey...I learned something from watching. <S>
Ozark
[This message has been edited by Ozark (edited 06-15-2000).]
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....and this post is for #100!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I haven't watched the film, because I simply never accuse anyone of hacking.. even if they are. Someone else will do it for me if they are hacking, right? I mean, if he's hacking more than I will see it, so I leave it up to the other person to say so. Just to explain why I won't get involved in this particular matter. What I DID want to throw my worthless copper coins in about was that you don't necessarily have to hack the game/software in order to avoid damage or anything to that effect. You can run a TSR program that you write using any code to detect what packets are coming in to your PC. If it's a packet that carries damage information, that TSR program can throw that packet out(just like a blackhole). HTC could throw code in there to check what's loaded into memory, but who's to say that roger wilco isn't a TSR program designed to delete unwanted packets? There's many ways to ensure that a TSR isn't run, but then again, there are a few ways that you simply can't do(case in point checking to see what's loaded into memory). You can make it so it's impossible to alt-tab back to desktop to run, say, Winamp and play your MP3s while you are flying, or log onto Roger Wilco while you are in the air(unless HTC incorporates a jukebox.. RW is already OTW, then they could probably disabled alt-tab/alt-esc). Either way, HTC's code is pretty well secured as far as encryption goes(note; NOT unhackable by any means, but really well done), but there are external programs you can run designed to do such a thing as refusing damage/hit packets.
Just wanted to drop this lil' tidbit off.
(looks at ground and sees he added more fuel to the fire.. oops!) But you all needed to know that information anyway...
-SW
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WB had this problem too. Sometimes the damage updates would not make it from the host to the client. So you get wingless planes flying around because the guy's FE doesn't know he's been shot.
One time in WB I was nearly killed in a dogfight with a... flaming chute spewing tracer fire.
The bug also extended to ground targets. Sometimes the ack at a field would be bombed, but one guy's FE wouldn't get the info that the ack was down. So everybody's saying "ack's down" but when this guy shows up he gets blasted even though nobody else sees any ack emplacements or tracer fire.
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Actually hblair, your wrong, the guy was banned for cheating, some cases were lag, but some werent, they both looked the same. Funny how people bury their heads about things, trust me stuff can be hacked with anyone determined to do it. The guy I was talking about was -busy- anyone remember him? I thought so, but nice to here I'm full of crap once again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil
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I couldn't watch the film. Somehow it combined itself? with my film 14. When I went to view the film I got some strange results. (MAJOR FILM BUG!!!) My original film 14 was of the large b17 raid in the SEA back in 1.0. Now all the b17s have been replaced with p51s and all the cons are bishops. Not only that but all the icons have been corrupted. I have a screenshot from the film:
edit: I removed the image and posted it in the game bugs forum. It would slow this thread down too much.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-15-2000).]
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Remember guys AH uses UDP data transfer not TCP/IP. Missed data packets are NOT resent when missed.
So lets look at it like this. This guys has a pretty bad connex. Zigrat shoots him. The con's FE doesn't receive the update. Now this data is not, repeat, not resent to the guy in the buff, so he will never know that his wings just got blown off.
Zigrat gets in range, the buff shoots at him, and Zigrats FE does receive the update. Bang Zigrat dead.
No I'm not saying that this guys hasn't somehow hacked his system to selectively disallow packet updates. (I don't even know if that's possible) But having seen this same thing in WB and knowing that AH uses a data protocal that doesn't resend missing data, it seems more likely that it was just a fluke of the internet.
Sharky
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Sharkey, you are wrong. Damage packets are send TCP/IP.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Cheating Bug Disco not going to judge but I like spat's suggestion. Anything HT could do to insure the integrity of the model and art files would be make a lot of folks feel better.
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Ok, I got the film to work. I had to delete, redownload and rename in windows to view the film.
Viewing the film all I can say is WOW! Obviously Mogura's FE did not receive damage packets. On the other hand he was obviously still connected to the internet as he was able to shoot you down. Judging by film only, I'd agree with you that he is cheating. To confirm my hypothesis I looked up his score. Mogura's score would seem to provide conclusive evidence that he does not cheat. (Look it up for yourself.) This leads me to conclude that more is going on here. Somehow Mogura's FE did not receive the TCP/IP damage packet from your FE. Now judging by the N1k you killed earlier in the fight, I'd say the problem was not your connection. (N1k cannon sure seem powerful compared to p51 .50 cal though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) IMO something is happening between the server and Mogura's computer. Obviously he was still able to send packets to the server to update his postion. (He was manuvering after all.) His FE was also able to send a TCP/IP damage packet to your FE. This leads me to conclude that somewhere between your computer and Mogura's computer packet loss is occuring. I'd recommend you run a traceroute and check for packet loss.
My $.02 say that if Mogura is cheating his scores certainly don't reflect it. I think one of you was having some sort of strange connection issue at the time. (I have been having repeated bad connects, along with many others, over the past few days. Could this all be related to those solar flares? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif) )
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Sharky you are wrong.
AH uses both UDP and TCP. If the UDP packets don't work it switches to TCP mode. This occurs if you are behind a firewall (like I am).
Question is does it advantage/disadvantage me? I have always seen the 'rubber bullets' thread but have never had this issue. Likewise I have been with other guys who have been unable to ping a plane yet I have been able to take them out no problems.
Could it be that my forced TCP mode ensures all my bullet packets going to the server guarantees hits are registered properly?
-vlkn- in!
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Originally posted by Dnil:
Actually hblair, your wrong, the guy was banned for cheating, some cases were lag, but some werent, they both looked the same. Funny how people bury their heads about things, trust me stuff can be hacked with anyone determined to do it. The guy I was talking about was -busy- anyone remember him? I thought so, but nice to here I'm full of crap once again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Reread my post, I said his squad booted him and he quit the game. Didn't mention iEN booting him. don't know where ya got that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
We're not even talking about the same guy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
How common do you think that is over in WB's?
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hblair, u said that my experiences were lag, I said that you were wrong, thats it. I have no clue who you are talking about. My point is what happened is not just lag. Remember a whole russian squad seemed to be doing fishy stuff, oddly enough they fly FH now. I wasnt talking about your guy but mine, we werent even on the same page (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil
JG-2
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Hey westy you here ? You see this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I guess its worse than simple 2 account cheating. Now we got hacking just like in aw3 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well I don't know if such anomalies can be called cheating...
Yesterday I had a fight with a pony. He lost his wing during the fight but kept flying. He flew nice curves, split-sed and even scissored me... because we were above his field I ate too much ack damage and had to land... I was already very pissed off as I saw his plane exploding in mid-air without any external influence and I was arwarded the kill!
Well I guess in games played over the internet strange things happens... I wouldn't call someone cheater if I catch him in such a strange situation... keep an eye on him if the anomalie repeats itself other measures maybe appropriate!
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Oh, Zig....you killed by B-26 gunner?
it's pretty weird.
it may be bigger lag, I have ever experienced thing like you.
One day, I blew off F4U's both his wings however, he flew for a while, and he did turns, too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But...unlike you, I got "splash one" message from him after that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
By the way MOGURA means the MOLE, so I think he's Japanese player. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Mitsu
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I have to say that these last two weeks have been a little weird, in the sense that I've seen quite a few planes Disco around me (No ALT F4 reason, since they were cruising or , anyway out of danger). I am also suffering about more Discoes lately than usual... checked the log and usualy is a router somewhere in NY that fails to respond for periods longer than 60seconds... the Bastid !
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Eye, you are one strange duck. You don't have the first clue about what you're talking about in regard to the software here or in AW3. You're kind of like the daft peasant in the Monty Python scene who claims he was turned into a newt. You could earn an ounce of respect if for once you could, just once, actually back up just one of your accusations. BTW. Is "English" a second language for you?
Back on topic. As an outsider (never flew WB's online type) looking at this I can readily see the damage done by FH in the way the community of WB's had thier faith in their sim deeply eroded and hurt by the wanton violtaion of thier sim. But too many are ready to holler out "hack! cheat! packet changer!!" at the first sign of something "odd"
If you (no one in particular) really wanted to really bring attention to HTC this occurance and try top help resolve any possible abuse any films would have been emailed to HTC right off the bat. To post about it in the open forumn is actually counter productive because you end up with simpletons, like Eye here, that just suck this stuff up and regurgitate it here later on, whenever they also see anything strange, or far worse they say AH is hacke, and rife with cheats in other venues.
Take a moment to think about the consqeuences of stirring up a crowd too often to gather torches for a witch burning. If it is a witch then HTC wil take of it. Not us. A lynch mob only makes things ugly. It never makes anything "right" again.
-Westy
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Another thing you have to realize is that film lies . For isntance I'll shoot someone down in MA and watch them go down and impact like a meteor and get a kill message, but watching it in playback, I shoot the guys wings off and fuselage in two but he just keeps flying on like a drone . Anyone else notice this ?
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Nobody's got the packet scheme right yet.
(hell I probly won't either)
Unless it can't get UDP to work (Firewall case above), it runs using both TCP/IP and UDP. Maneuvers, plane positions, tracer stat, etc. are UDP. Damage, building destruction, and comms are TCP/IP. So, a wingless bird would be one that never received the TCP/IP packet, but was transmitting UDPs.
Does this happen?
I dunno. I disco a lot at certain times of day (when my conx sucks). When you get the "host connection lost" message, you can no longer transmit comms, but your position does get updated, and you do receive ib comms. I even had a 109 attack my c47 today when I was in the "Disco" state. I kinda clicked "OK" before getting shot down though.
So perhaps he'd already discoed.
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I have seen the exact same thing Zigrat. Once I was flying a B17 and 190 jumped me from dead on my 6. I manned the tail guns and opened up on him. I blew both his wings off, and his tail off. But yet he continued to fly. I continued firing on him to the point where I had ran my tail guns out of ammo. He had 3 fires, no wings and no tail but yet he climbed up 2k then dove on me (screwing up his dive he landed dead on my 6 again) I opened up with the ball turret, and at about that same time he fired 1 shot and off came my wings and down I went. He continued to fly with no wings and no tail, even after he had already got the kill. So don't start saying that buff pilots are cheating, it's happened to me and I'm sure a couple of others have seen it too.
It's just all net lag problem, and it only happeneds once in a blue moon.
P.S. I did manage to get one pic of the 190 just before I blew up. It's not that good but it shows that it did happened to me.
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Same here Beef, had that with a Spit... his wings were both missing yet he continued to fire and blow me out the sky. This happened over 30 - 40 seconds so I haven't a clue whether lag would last that long>!?
'Nexx'
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Wow Zig! I just watched the entire film several times and it "appears" to me this person was cheating.
If this was simply a lag problem then HTC needs to increase (or decrease) what it allows for lag and kick these types of connections off when the lag threshold is met.
I've always said having a fast connection in AH is a disadvantage, and I can prove it at least on my current LAN connection. I know Dale told me that he only needs 3000 baud to make the game work but maybe it's time to double or triple that to make it fair to the majority of players.
Let me first say I dislike all cheaters of any kind. If I were able to find a way to cheat at AH I would call HTC and prove it to them so it could be fixed. I've caught several other players cheating in some really big name games (Ultima Online, Everquest, etc) and they've all been banned and fixed.
I've done a little packet sniffing on my end and I can tell you with my little knowledge I was able to do some odd things of which were no advantage to me or anyone else for that matter. I'm confident that a person with decent knowledge of sniffing and time on his/her hands "could" do some really interesting things in AH.
Mox
TWC
[This message has been edited by Mox (edited 06-16-2000).]
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Watch the film, Hazed was seeing the same as Zigrat, you can see Hazed comment on it.
Also, if you turn Trails on, you can see the B-26 manuver, I.E. he was updating his movements, and wasnt' on Auto-Climb/Auto-Level.
The B-26 manuvers, it makes turns and such after its wings and tail are removed, then IT SHOOTS ZIG DOWN?
So, he missed the packets that show,
1, part of one wing (clearly visible watching the film.)
2. The Other Wing.
3. The Rest of the first wing.
But the update that the engines were hit works because the plane starts smoking?
Zig then comes back and makes another attack.
So this guy misses the update that Zig removes his tail.
Zig makes a third pass.
And the guy kills Zig.
All this time, the B-26 is manuvering, watch the TRAILS in the film.
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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There is little that will divide a community faster than cheating/hacking accusations.
Personally I believe this matter should have been taken up in private with HTC and HTC alone.
Hopefully this board and the game itself does not degenerate into wild hacking accusations.
I'll wait to see what HTC has to say about the matter before I make up my mind. I have no idea how to code a game, I have no idea how to code network software, and I have little idea how the Internet in general works, much less how HTCs game works. Any information I have to add would be wild speculation that would just add to the witch hunt.
Fury
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Just looked at the film and I'm not sure what to make of it.
On one hand the B26 is still manuevering without wings or a tail and I only saw 1 small micro warp when u got real close.(Kinda looks like cheat)
On the other hand I also noticed that when you continued to fire at his wings the hits still registered like the wings were still there.(Kinda looks like lag)
I also noticed that it had 4 trails of smoke coming from it's engines. (doesn't the B26 only have 2 engines?) (http://www.nlcs.k12.in.us/dewey/hmm.jpg)
Not sure what to make of it so I'm gonna leave it to HT and the gang to make the call.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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I watched it a 7 and 8 time, the fuel leak starts from the flak hits he takes.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Not sure what to make of it either...
1st - He flies low through the base ack, where all ack at base was shooting at him
2nd - Ziggy absolutely pasted him, then flew alongside for a long time
3rd - Ziggy pasted him again, this time he got Ziggy and still died after Ziggy
The B-26B did not seem to lag at all, judging by the tracers and the smoothness of flight. Got me on this one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"I have returned"
Mitzu
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I take it back, watched it again, the Ack didn't touch him.
Zig starts a fuel leak (White) in the left engine.
He then removes the wing beyond the left engine.
He then walks his firing across the back of the plane. Hits the right wing root, and then travels outward along the wing. He gets about 2/3rds of the way out, and starts walking his fire back. The wing folds back toward Zig, you see two "Phantom" flashes where the wing was. Then the rest of the left wing breaks away.
Speed and momentum carry Zig past the now wingless B-26 which has four smoke trails one on each side of where the engines were.
Zig pulls up, gets set up for another pass, this takes about 15 seconds. Zig turns in and makes a great shot, about three rounds which remove the tail and elevators.
He continues in, turns around to the left, and zigs left wing is removes by the left waist gun of the now smoking wingless and tail less B-26.
THis guy had to miss at least four damage packet updates from Zig.
Also, I really reccomend you use the Trails, the B-26 is not flying straight and level, or even climbing straight. The Plane continues to manuver despite the damage?
I wonder what the story is.
Zig is a hell of a shot, watch his ammo counters too.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Very well said Westy.
ok Dnil, we both agree that we weren't talking about the same thing? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
DISCLAIMER** The following opinion was formed over the last few days in the arena. This isn't directed to zigrat, he is a nice guy and a great pilot.
I'm just one of the guys who is damn sick of hearing dweebs on channel 1 after losing every fight claiming *suspicious things*.
Like,
Hey! nice warp!
Theres no way he did that!
I woulda had you if you hadn't warped so much!
Those kinds of statements after losing a fight show a complete lack of class and sportsmanship in my opinion. If a guy warps terribly, politely mention on channel 1 that he may have a connx prob. Any pilot with a brain will relog. The others are probably such bad sticks you could ignore 'em anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If a guy warps badly, disengage and politely make him aware of it. Don't continue after him like a neandrathal then spew garbage on channel 1 after he kills ya. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
*** Again this aint intended to ziggy, some new dude named 6guns is one who comes to mind. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ***
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Come On Though this was A Porn Flick!!
Dont get me all excited (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bash
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dnil. I was the CO who fired the kids prettythang. And he quit. Your talking about different case,s.
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Just getting your goat is the only reward i need. As far as being a simpleton yep i am. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) This simpleton giggles when i check your progress in ah.This peasent could help you alot regardless of how well i spell or my poor grammer. I love when guys who think smarter than me cant play a game as well. Btw monty python has aged poorly if you want to compare me to something compare me to a character in the kids in the hall. Im crushing your head! Im crushing your head! HA HA!
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I just snuck a look i know whats wrong! You still have the training wheels on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Question: I sit here and play my game and sometimes things look strange e.g. Tonight I'm 300 yards behind the guy giving him a hail of 30mm cannon rounds and I get squat. Though I've had computers since '81 I haven't the slightest idea about what UDP is but have heard of TCP. I haven't seen anything from HTC on these subjects or for that matter anything about how they program this awesome toy. How do you guys know the specifics of what these guys are using and the pros and cons of each. Is there any benefit to knowing this, is there anything we can do with this knowledge to improve our performance?
Beeg
Originally posted by Vulcan:
Sharky you are wrong.
AH uses both UDP and TCP. If the UDP packets don't work it switches to TCP mode. This occurs if you are behind a firewall (like I am).
Question is does it advantage/disadvantage me? I have always seen the 'rubber bullets' thread but have never had this issue. Likewise I have been with other guys who have been unable to ping a plane yet I have been able to take them out no problems.
Could it be that my forced TCP mode ensures all my bullet packets going to the server guarantees hits are registered properly?
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Easy, hehe we already established that, my incident eventually grew into FH. Me and HB just got wrapped up into 2 different stories.
Its All good now bros (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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The only conclusive way to finish this is to get a film from the guy in the B26, I think. If he'd care to step forward that is.
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Rickenbacker
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adding a CRC won't help because you are modifying the network packets the game sends, not the game itself. it's fairly easy to do if you have knowledge of networking programming and unix (can't do this on a windows box!). i have to modify packets myself in order to route them through my firewall. but i don't cheat; check out my score for proof. :-)
Black Hammer
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Gent's this could happen with the damage packets being held up getting to the b26.
He could still be recieving the positional updates but if one tcp packet is deleayd with posible multiple retransmits it is consivable for a huge lag. Did he die later?
HiTech
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No HiTech, You must be mistaken!!!!!
It's a conspiracy!!!
After all, what does HT know about how this game works? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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So HT at the Very least you will adjust Zirgrats score? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Another possible connection related weirdness would depend on whether he had a gunner or not.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Sounds like that would set a dangerous precedent, don't ya think downtown? I wouldn't consider the No Mans Land between HTC and my puter their responsibility, would you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by hblair:
No HiTech, You must be mistaken!!!!!
It's a conspiracy!!!
After all, what does HT know about how this game works? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 06-17-2000).]
Interesting reply hblair.
One person cheating is not a conspiracy.
A conspiracy would be like the whole 357th cheating for example.
What about the word "could" in HTs post dont you understand.