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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Stickman on February 25, 2003, 11:37:25 PM
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Only had a chance to fly half a dozen or so (mostly unsuccessful) sorties, but my main take is that it's a decent enough sim. The aircraft aren't rendered that nicely, but the terrain makes up for it I suppose (very nice looking terrain, ask is NASTY, and base layouts are excellant). Gunnery does seem significantly easier than in Warbirds (was tossing out hope shots trying to get someone to break off a guy's six and was astounded to see my rounds start connecting), but that's no deal-breaker to me. As bad as my shooting is I can use all the help I can get:).
The big problems I have are getting people to answer questions, and finding someone willing to respond to a request to join them on a sortie. I've asked the latter probably a dozen times, no response at all. People will answer a general question, sometimes, if the arena is slow or if you ask it often enough, but even after no more flying than I've done I've about been broken of asking simple questions about interface keys, etc. and of asking to wing with someone. To me, this is severe negligence on the part of the guys who've been around awhile. I hate to compare Warbirds to AH, but in this area I have to; when someone asks a question in Warbirds, there are ususally 3 to 12 people responding with answers, and if they ask to wing with someone usually the same results. I really figured that people are pretty much the same all over and that I'd have no trouble getting a hand up in AH, but I have to admit being wrong here, though I'm not sure why. So, next time I get ready for another AH sortie and start the game up, when I see the box that asks "Would you like a trainer to help you get started?", I'll be answering in the affirmative this time. I gotta tell you guys, you're missing the boat; few things are as fun as helping someone get started and seeing them begin to have fun and decide to stick around.
Will I be keeping a subscription to AH? Dunno.....I'd kind of like to, as cheap and interesting as it is, but this is a big mark in the "CON" column, my friends.
I'll post on this thread again after a few more sorties and say more when I know it.
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Hmmm.......Haven't had that problem? I have been here for a month. 2 week trial is all it took and I closed my WBs account. In that month I have asked numerous questions and got answers the same as if I was still in WBs. Ahhh well mileage varies. You might just try switching countries. I started out knights and switched to Rooks. Seemed good in both of those. I haven't flown Bishops so I can't say. Also, I flew quite a bit in the CT Arena. Those guys will hand your hat to you in a heart beat. Your heads usually in it though. CT guys are very helpful. Me well I'm here to stay. I love it. New maps all the time. Tons of stuff to do and so many to do it with. Try joing a mission! I flew my first with the MAW. Excellent expierence. Look up a guy here called daddog. Just stepped down as CM lead. Awesome guy. He will answer anything you need.
Hey, I hope things straighten out here and you stay. You can bet if I'm on I'll answer what I can. I have been reading a lot :) I met many old WB buds here. One of them, Bizket from the WBs 352nd, just started a squad the 339th. I joined him. Wanna fly with us? You would be welcome anytime: http://www.geocities.com/p51_339thfg/menu.html
or click on my profile and "E" me. No you wouldn't have to join, just come have some fun!
Good Luck,
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My two cents, and only based on AH as I joined here during beta and haven't flown any other mmol sim... Asking questions in the MA would seem to be the easiest way to learn, and if pilots aren't currently busy, I am sure help is usually forthcoming, at least in my own experience. But anyone who gets "snubbed" must remember something; that person is logging in to a "game in progress" and asking openly of everyone that they stop playing and help a "noob" get started. I would say that, unfortunately, much of the time the aforementioned "noob" hasn't bothered to spend any time learning offline, hasn't read any of the fairly detailed documentation available, or helped himself in any significant way. When I first joined AH, many of the current resources weren't available, so I fired it up offline, experimented a bit, figured out half an idea about what I was doing, and then logged in, and this was with NO prior flight sim experience. I asked questions, but at this point they weren't the all too frequent, "How do I take off?", etc. questions that are particularly nerve-wracking. I would say that the rudeness lies more with those willing to interrupt the gameplay of others than spend a little time "helping themselves." Unfortunately again, this happens so often that some folks act as if ANY question is a stupid one, and so the rudeness perpetuates itself.
As far as the "request to join" complaint, I assume you are referring to asking to join a pilot's sortie as an observer. If this is the case, I can assure you that nothing ticks me off more than closing on a con's 6 and, just as I reach for the trigger, a large text box blocks my view entirely with someone's totally uninvited request to hop in my lap for a quick look-see. As far as I am concerned this feature should either be removed, or the message should appear in the normal text buffer or some other non-fatal area of the screen.
We as a community should (and usually do as far as I am concerned) help out the new pilots among us, but the courtesy should go both ways. BTW, for anyone who needs help figuring out pretty much ANYTHING in AH, I highly recommend FT_Animal's AH Tech Hangar (http://www.icongrp.com/~stagemon/ah/) . I have only looked over a small part of his very extensive site, and it should answer most questions and even teach tactics and ACM fairly well. I close with apologies for such a long reply. :)
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Give some examples of your questions.
I wonder if the reality of your old game for a newby in an arena of 700 people..would match your memory of it.
I myself have probably answered 2000 questions online since 1999 in this game. Amazingly unrewarding pastime answering questions. But people answer them for me too.. Typically a question that can be answered quickly or isnt too lame will have a barage of answers. Dumb ones can go un answered for ever..
Maybe you came off as arrogant? You do here..and people dont like to waste their time with arrogant question askers.
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Hiya Stick,,Most all of our 24 man squad are ex or current members of Warbirds
Please look us up,,, 367th FG "Dynamite Gang"
we fly for Knights, Be glad to assist
While my home gets a new foundation and some roof work done,
this is a dam fine hotel ;)
my handle is "cooley"
Peace < S >
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I'll answer questions based on a few factors:
A) How much effort is required to answer the question
B) How much effort is the asker demonstrating
C) How is the asker behaving
If it is a simple question, e.g. how do I start my engine I'll answer pretty much regardless of the other factors.
If the asker isn't demonstrating that they are putting any effort into learning the game, then I can't really be bothered to try to teach it to them.
If the asker is abusive, rude or incoherant I will not help them. If they don't speak english I will attempt to locate someone who does speak their language to help them.
The last time I tried helping a new player I spent three frusterating hours in the TA slowly getting the person better equipped to play. I have no idea how successful or unsuccessful I was.
One point I have noticed is that when I answer a question my response is nearly always simply one of manyy responses.
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Stickman try this. Switch to rooks metion your from Warbirds and you will have guys tripping over each other to help you. I've never really flown for bish, but I spent a lot of time as a knight and a few weeks now flying for rooks. I might be wrong but the largest percentage of old WBs flyers seem to be there. I just recongnize more names on the rook side.
Look for Dracon, asmech or myself will be happy to wing up with you. Also a squad called " the flying zoo" has a lot of the "old guard" from warbirds.
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stickman, normally people are pretty helpful but these are not normal times, as HTC has given out all these free trials till march 15th I think?
this means that the MA has been swamped with noobs, and the questions seem to be unending.
about the only answer I have been seeing com up regularly is the old " hit ALT + F4" (quit game) answer put to everything.
there are alot of people willing to help, try asking in on country channel (green) as your more likely to get help from teammates.
Also something I used to do alot is if i needed to find out a key i would open the clipboard (ESC) and look at key mapping to find the key and function)
:)
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I do answer questions if I see them. Although, if it's a "what key..." question, I point them to the key Mapper generally. I think knowing where that is would help any new player to get to grips with the game.
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Originally posted by Skorpyon
As far as I am concerned this feature should either be removed, or the message should appear in the normal text buffer or some other non-fatal area of the screen.
Skorpyon, you can make join requests appear in the text buffer by typing .showjoin, which toggles join requests between the box and the text buffer. Not sure, but that might need a 0 or 1 after it to turn it on or off, but the Help files don't mention that. :)
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Alot depends on attitude, I've seen plenty of WB'ers arrive with an open mind to AH and give it a try and got help by just fitting in where as some seem to turn up, grit their teeth and grumble only to return to their previous sim to tell everyone how unfriendly the AH skies are when there is really not much to pick between them at all.
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Howdy Stickman. I don't fly a great deal lately but if you see me up ask away. I know my former squadies of the Flying Circus on the Bish will help you. Look for guys like Anton,Rob53, Vati66,Shamus,Pipz,Hajo etc.
Anyway and good luck.
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hey stickman
Good to see you here, I'm usually on around midday EST (5.00 pm uk) and fly for the much malinged and numerically challenged rooks.
If you want to hook up or need anything just shout.
I have been here for about 7 months (?), the learning curve in terms of FM was around 3 weeks, I agree about the gunnery, yes it is a lot easier, but it's the same for everyone so that's not a problem in the arenas, and I also agree about the amount of help available to noobs. However, in WB's a lot of the guys were veterans and maybe a bit more mature (not knocking AH) and more eager to help, In AH there are probably the same amount of guys that will help, but you have to sort those out from the "alt F4 answer type of guys.
All in all I have been impressed here (not that that is much of a recommendation) and am enjoying the game. There are a few things I don't like, but heck who am I to complain.
101 Squadron have a fair amount of ex WB's players including =viff=
Stick around, it gets better.
wipass
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Welcome, stickman!
I'd also add that you should try the CT. The crowd there is closer to what I remember the old Warbirds gang was like as far as being helpful and friendly. Maybe it's the smaller population, dunno...
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Hiya stick.
Most of the people I've talked to here are pretty cool. Maybe you just hit a time when most evreyone was busy. I dont ask a lot of questions ingame, seems that there are a whole lot of newbies with the free trial thing.Hehe..I had a bunch of questions answered the other night watching someone else get answers.Still having trouble with the 4 engine bombers, but I'll give it a little time to get sorted to give this an honest go.If ya see me, give a yell. I'll wing with ya mate.
Drac !
blkmgc
BTW- alt -f4..what a stupid thing to tell a newbie.
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The "Join" function is intended for a person to join as a gunner in a bomber; I guess most of these flights are pre-arranged on country/squad-channel first... Just scrolling through the clipboard pressing "Join" on everyone is probably considered rude by the recepients, and will make them hesitant to answer your questions....
The Join-function should be reworked so that the pilot of the bomber selects his gunner when hes on the runway, not vice versa. That would put an end to the tower button-pushing.
As to help online - the MA is a mess now with all the try-outs. When all settles you'll be answered. I guess trainers are overworked too. Reading help-files and searching BBS will always answer your questions anyway (and usually faster). If you choose to stay I'm sure you'll get all the help you need... U got a lot of friendly answers here, right?
Good luck!
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Hmm, I went to try out WBIII a month or so ago, with only 50 or so online I recieved 0, Zip, bupkis replys to my questions. I dont think it is relegated to one community.
That said, every night I see new folks asking questions and always getting a reply (unfortunately alot of the Alt+F4 kind) but always a reply.
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I haven't seen you yet in the arenas, but that is because I haven't had much time to fly lately.
Like was mentioned by others, whether or not you get answers to your questions, and what kind of answers you get depend a lot on how the question is posed. Take an arrogant attitude, or act rude and obnoxious, and you will get a like response. Ask nicely, politely, and courteously, and you will find folks falling over themselves to help you.
That being said, almost any question a person could have about the game is available on the HTC website, and others have posted similiar information on their own websites.
I'm not saying that you were arrogant, and I am sorry that some or all of your questions went unanswered or rudely answered. You will find those type folks in ANY online sim. I had numerous incidents when I played WB's, yet I have had overall good responses in AH whenever I asked a question.
I've been here 3 years now (Gawd, how time flies!!!), and to me, there is no comparison between the two sims. I hope your AH experience is as much fun as mine has been. Just sit back, enjoy the game, and remember that each sim has particular qualities that are unique to that game. I've seen too many guys in the arenas trashing AH because "it's not like (BRAND X), so it sucks!"
While I'm glad to see new blood in the game, players like THAT cannot leave soon enough for me.
My attitude to players coming over from other sims is simple: Give it a try, if you like it, great! Stay and play. If not, best wishes, good luck, hope ya find a sim that suits you.
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also bear in mind if questions are being asked in prime time when there are more than 400 people on, the text buffer can really fly and you just might have overlooked a valid answer among the usual suspects of alt-f4 and hit enter 3x.
it's probably best for those with otehr flight sim experience to look for a name they know and ask in private - much more likely to get valid help.
for the total noobs, well, a little self-effort in reading the manual will go a long way as well. when i first started playing AH i printed out the common dot commands as well as poring over the keymap (and setting up my j/s map).
i do, think, however, that the help file that exists should be more easily directed to for new users, perhaps with a message similar to the "do you want a trainer" message, or better yet added to that, "the help file can be found in the downloads section and will have many answers to basic questions."
on the d/l page i think also a few helpful referral links to some good sites would be nice as well.
and to be honest, the help file is probably in need of a revision or tweaking, somewhat.
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Well some of us have our key's so map'd we don't know what the defaults are anymore :D... look under keymaping .. no reason you can't spend 1 min mapping your own keys
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There weren't that many people on at any time (I think the max was about 75 or so). I haven't been in the Main, just the CT. There were about 40 there last night when I logged on for a sortie. Asked once if anyone would tolerate a newbie wingman, no answers, so I promptly rolled from a CAPped field, got shot down, and logged:D.
And if I come off seeming arrogant, well, dunno what to tell you. When I ask a question it's on my country channel, politely. If that's arrogance, I'll stop it immediately.
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One of the bigger questions I had (and have asked several times online), how exactly do the voice coms work, and what do I need to do to set them up so I can use them? People have been talking to me, but I'm unable to respond and they may have thought I was being rude. One guy did tell me I needed to set it up in Windows and AH, but didn't give detail. To be fair, though, I'm pretty sure he was engaged.
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Stickman, drop me an email and I can get you hooked up with some one-on-one help online.
I never flew Warbirds, but from what I gather from several of the players that came from Warbirds, the FM differences can be managed pretty quickly.
We do have trainers, for the advanced sim-pilots and the newbies as well.
Be happy to hook you up. Being frustrated is not fun, and fun is what it should be about.
I am not in the office today, due to the ice storm here, but will be getting to my emails tomorrow.
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For voice, see if this helps: Radio usage (http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/radio.html)
On that same page is a link to the Voice setup and help section as well.
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Guide for new WB's palyer in AH:
Ask any nme player to shoot off one airleion, one elve and you should feel right at home
(mostly jokeing .. but when i tried WB's felt like i was flying with half my stuff shot off) :D
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Ya stickman, comeover and stay on the Rooks. Lots of guys there willing to help. You can wing with me anytime. I fly with a few guys that jump all over anyone asking questions.
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P.S When is that ice storm going to be over, I'm having "stats" withdrawal! The .score just isn't fullfilling my needs!!! :)
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Some words of sage advice you new guys might find useful.
(a) Lately there have been a lot of new players in the Main Arena (MA) so if you ask a question and don't get a quick answer, its probably because your voice was lost in the sea of questions, or the players online got tired of answering questions and just wanted to go out and play. Or, in my case, I've remapped my keys to sync up with AW and CFS2 so any advice I give you about keypunching would probably be incorrect.
(b) You'll find that the players in the Combat Theatre (CT) are going to be the better ones overall. Those are the guys that can fly a limited planeset and make those puppies dance. The CT is a very good place to learn Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM) because the aircraft tend to be balanced for both sides and the fights tend to involve fewer numbers of pilots. And you'll be flying with some of the more mature players in the game.
(c) Very few experienced players will want a new guy to wing with them unless that new player knows how to work the radio and give a "Check 6" call. There's not much benefit to a vet pilot otherwise. Its nice to have a wingman, but keeping the new guy from getting his butt flamed can take some work. I've winged with new guys and the first thing I tell them is to stay at least 1.0 back from me. This allows them to see more of what's going on in my attack and also keeps me from being distracted by the sound of their engine in my earphones. You don't need to fly a nice tight formation if you're on a fighter sweep. In the CT, its not unusual to see wingmen 2.0 or 3.0 apart because it allows them to cover a maximum amount of area and still react to threats as a team.
(d) Until recently, the Rook nation was the underdog in most of the battles so the pilots there learned to work together and get the most kills with the fewest pilots. AH introduced a perk balancing system that helped keep the numbers balanced, but generally you'll find a better core group of pilots there that will cooperate. Until recently, there was no such thing as a Rook horde. On the other hand, Bishops are known for being able to put up aluminum overcasts at will. There's safety in numbers, but it can also be a crutch. Knights have sort of been the middle-child of the family.
(e) First-time pilots have the most success in the Spitfire IX, the P-51D, the LA-7, and the N1K2 (and to a lesser extent the F6F and 190D). These are good planes to learn basic ACM and learn the various tactics for attacking enemy planes. But, you should try to get away from these planes eventually if you want to participate in Tours of Duty or full-fledged scenario re-enactments. And, who knows, you may find that the 190A8 or FM-2 or F4U or Yak9 or P-38 are better suited to your flying style.
(f) Join a squad. You'll get a lot of good help from guys that you'll fly with on a regular basis.
(g) Don't ask how AH is different from other flight sims. That's a question only you can answer as you learn the ins-n-outs of the game.
(h) Don't fly a perked plane or drive a perked vehicle until you're able to get a positive kills-to-deaths ratio in one of the normal rides.
That's all that comes to mind offhand.
Oh, let me attach this, too.
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How to get started?
1. Don't ignore the "Do you want a trainer?" message. You want help? It's offered, you ignore it, and complain about no help. Nice attitude. What other game/sim offers one-on-one help the first time you log on?
2. Find some WB friends and fly with them. When I joined AH I was lucky to find some friends from AW who were patient with me. Their best advice was...
3. Read the help files. And print out the key commands, the dot commands and the base maps.
4. Wait until you're paying for the game to whine. You haven't yet earned that right.
HONK!
Gooss
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My most important questions were concerning the voice coms and another unrelated keymapping issue, things that are somewhat vague in the readme. If you expect someone to either memorize or keep pasted in front of them the entire keymap file, I'd say that's a bit unrealistic. Everybody, from time to time, needs to ask a simple, even stupid, question of someone who's been around awhile. How much trouble is it to type out a 5 word answer to someone?
Secondly, I don't recall asking "what's the difference between WB and AH". That'd be impossible for anyone to answer short of a 10 page essay, and if I couldn't figure it out for myself anyway I wouldn't need to know. I don't even like to compare the sims themselves except on the most basic levels (do you enjoy, etc.). They're vastly different, as are the communities inhabiting them.
Finally, if mentioning that I was unable to get answers to questions seems like a whine, maybe I'm wasting my time here as well. I was initially pretty excited about trying AH again after a few years, but that's wearing off quick. It seems that, no matter how polite you try to be, someone is ready to freely hand out sarcasm, insults and rude remarks.
P.S.
I've flown Warbirds for a couple of years, flying only the last 2 weeks out of a 3 week tour of duty, and I generally manage to place somewhere in the top 10 in fighter rankings (usually in the top 2 or 3, actually). I do have a decent grasp on what's going on, my ACM aint' bad, and I definitely know how to give 6 calls. Any "old timer" who decides he doesn't want me to wing with him is missing the boat, as I rarely lose a wingman to enemy fire, and if I say "I've got your wing", you can bet your bellybutton you won't get bounced unless I get shot down first.
My appologies if that seems like bragging. I don't mean it to be.
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Stickman, as I said, I am stuck at home today, but if you can let me know when you are online, I will be happy to meet you and help with any voice comms questions you might have.
I would ask that anyone thinking of responding in this thread do so, if you are willing to offer some help. I find the questions being asked are well put and cannot fathom why a negative response should be forthcoming. to those offering to help.
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Originally posted by Stickman
One of the bigger questions I had (and have asked several times online), how exactly do the voice coms work, and what do I need to do to set them up so I can use them? People have been talking to me, but I'm unable to respond and they may have thought I was being rude. One guy did tell me I needed to set it up in Windows and AH, but didn't give detail. To be fair, though, I'm pretty sure he was engaged.
I've mapped my R key to be my range mic (meaning if you can see their icon, you can broadcast to them, though it may also apply to anyone launching from your base - not sure about that).
I've mapped my T key to be my squadron mic.
To map your keys, you'll need to go into the Clipboard and find the keymapping button, then follow the prompts. I found that remapping the keys to match the commands in AW and CFS2 greatly improved the learning curve. I use:
D=drop flaps
F=rasie flaps
G=Gear
H=Hook
A=alternate secondary weapon
R=Range radio
T=Tuned radio
O=Open/close doors
E (3times) = Eject! Eject! Eject!
P= WEP
X=autopilot level
Alt X = autopilot max climb
Z = bombsite
Esc = Clipboard
, = left brake
. = right brake
; = both brakes
Spacebar = dive brake (nice and big so I won't miss it when I panic)
To use the voice, you need to have a microphone. Then, you can adjust the volume in Windows. I also adjust the volume in AH so that voices stand out over the sound effects in the game.
To broadcast, you'll need to hold the key down while speaking, then release the key when you're done. If you want to know who's speaking to you, you'll see their name in the upper right corner of your screen.
To tune my text radio, I just hit the / key to bring up the text window. You'll see different boxes above the open text line and each one has a different command for it. You can click your mouse over the box and it will show you a pull-down menu of different options. For instance, I have / as my country channel, Cntrl / as my squad channel, and Shift / as my mission channel. So, if I wanted to talk to the whole country, I'd hit / and type "GoFaster is your master. You will obey." (but without the quotes). If I wanted to communicate with a squaddie, I'd hit Cntrl / and type "Shillelagh Squadron rocks!". And so forth.
Is this what you needed to know?
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Originally posted by Stickman
The big problems I have are getting people to answer questions,
I'll presume you check "No" in the training box when you first logged on? This was probbaly not the best way to go about it.
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Originally posted by Stickman
How much trouble is it to type out a 5 word answer to someone?
Absolutely none at all - and if I see you asking any such questions, I will definitely answer. :)Finally, if mentioning that I was unable to get answers to questions seems like a whine, maybe I'm wasting my time here as well.
It certainly does not appear like a whine to me, but I was most surprised to hear it..... at first I thought it must have been due to the huge numbers in the MA recently, but then realised you were referring to the CT. Unfortunately, I very rarely go into the CT due to it being fairly empty at the times I am online (UK timezone) but, from what I have heard of the players who fly there, it seems highly surprising that you got no answers. As someone else said, I can only think that everyone was busy at the time and didn't see your questions.... :(I was initially pretty excited about trying AH again after a few years, but that's wearing off quick.
Please don't be discouraged by the negative responses you have received. I hope you will continue to try AH again, and maybe decide to stay. You would be most welcome to take part in any of our special events too while you are here..... see the Calendar above, or my Special Events Announcement for detail.
Meanwhile, you may wish to check out the Radio page at Netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org/ahradio/radio.html#title) for very comprehensive details of the radio system.
If you are in the MA anytime, and see either Flossy or FL0SSY online, please do give me a call and I will help you all I can. :)
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Stickman, in a game with upwards of 700 people you're going to find that there will always be at least a few that are immature and/or rude. Here's a useful radio command: .squelch
If you can thicken up on your skin just a bit you may find Aces High to be a very satisfying if not addictive experience.
BTW, I've found that alt-F4 does just about everything. ;)
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Did you play a few months back under the handle "Mandie"??? :) Just kidding, inside joke... Seem to remember you from somewhere. You're more than welcome to wing with me anytime and I'll answer any question I can for ya. I play on the Knights and I'm up most week nights and saturdays. Cya up
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If you can't find help in-game Stickman, then here on the BBS is the place to do it. Finding good help in ANY game is pretty much a hit-and-miss experience. It's the same way in WB's...sometimes you get lots of help, other times you're ignored.
I'm afraid I can't help you with voice coms though...I never use them (no mic).
There is a "CT" arena as some have noted. I'd rate the pilots of the CT about equal as the MA pilots (contrary to what pro-CT players will want to say), and the overall fighting tends to be slower-paced for the most part. The CT is a decent place to try if you want a historically-based setup, although it will likely not be for you as the P-38 isn't usually available (the planesets rotate in no particular order). Otherwise it has little to offer over the MA.
Speaking of the P-38, it's a highly capable plane in AH (P-38L) not unlike its WB's counterpart. The largest problem you are likely to have is with the automatically retracting flaps. Unfortunately this is a known issue with AH that is not going to be fixed in the near future (posibly when AH2 comes out next fall). As with any P-38, rudder/flap use is a must and it'd help to have dual throttles.
If you haven't already, ditch that default gunsight for a custom one. Also download Mitsu's soundpack (backup your original sounds first). That will add unique sounds for every plane and vehicle, which is important since sounds are sorely lacking in the default AH download (probably its worst problem). I pick and choose which of Mitsu's sounds I want to keep; some I like and others I replace with different ones or the original ones. If you're interested, search for the link in the Sounds forum.
Hope you find this useful.
J_A_B
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Look up a guy here called daddog. Just stepped down as CM lead. Awesome guy. He will answer anything you need.
:) THanks dracon. Made my day. I am happy to help out "any" new player.
jwg11@mlode.com
Stickman You have lots of answers and help here in this thread but I will gladly help if you need. I will even fly target for you. :) I am really good at that, just ask the CT folks.
Cooley! Man we are just about neighbors! Just look east and you will see the hill I live on. :) Twain Harte, east of Sonora. :D
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Hmmmmmmmm, I've seen many requests for key commands, and I rarely answer them because I have mapped most of them to my throttle and stick buttons, and I don't even remember what the key commands are.
If I know the answer, I have no reluctance to respond.
As far as the recent preponderance of "Alt F4" type responses, this seems concurrent with overwhelming number of new players we've seen in the last month or so. I think that for most of the players who have been around awhile, that "joke" has gotten pretty old and stale.
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One thing that puzzles me yet is consistant over many of the online games reviews, is this 'nobody answered my key questions'.
Now round Christmas I got the 'Welcome Back Soldier' email from WW2OL. So I decided to use it as an AH 'holiday' and give WW2OL another try and see how it went. I downloaded maps, vehicle specs, printed out the keymappings, spent one night setting up my joystick for aircraft and vehicles. Once I thought I had a comfortable setup I jumped online.
The only questions I ever had were related specifically to weapons ability and stuff like that (where to hit a Maltida) and so on. Even then I found plenty of websites with printable diagrams to make life online easier.
I believe AH is the same. Theres plenty of stuff out there.
I've seen this in many AH and WW2OL player reviews. It puzzles me that people just don't prepare properly. It would help their enjoyment of the game tenfold.
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Stickman,
If you need some help or would like to wing with anyone give me a shout. We have a few old WB guys as well as some AW guys and a few newby's in our squadron and are always looking for new blood. If you need a "trainer" make sure you click on the yes when you first log into the game and someone will pick you up. I generally make it a habit to check through the players listing for the ones asking for help and I will contact one I see asking questions over the different radio channels. That seems to work a bit better even when the text buffer flies by as rapidly as it does with 500+ people in one arena.
Good Luck with you search for help and give me a shout if you need some. Hell I always need a good wingman and if you are that good come fly my wing and cover my stupid flying tricks. :D
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I've seen this in many AH and WW2OL player reviews. It puzzles me that people just don't prepare properly. It would help their enjoyment of the game tenfold.
I feel the same. I've got no compulsion to answer "how do you start the engine" questions and absolutely no bad feeling about blasting anyone who's too lazy/cool/ignorant/whatever to RTFM.
The original poster claims that it's unrealistic to expect someone to memorize the entire keymapping. Yet, he expects to get the assistance of someone who HAS taken the time to do so. Why? Why NOT print the thing out and keep it accessible? I've got mine right here, and I've been flying online games with similar keymaps since the early 90's.
You guys see the "Offline" button when the game boots up? Why not learn to get your plane off the ground there, free of vulchers and other distractions? Learn how to make the engine start, the gear go up & down, the flaps to extend, the views to switch, etc there. Follow the instructions in the Help file and test your VOX offline. Read the manual and learn how to get to another base, set your convergance, change country, join missions, etc BEFORE you get into the midst of 699 other players, all of whom have their own agenda. Most of which don't include teaching you stuff that you could have taught yourself.
Sorry guys, I pay for my online time and nowhere in the game description does it say I need to spend any of that time answering questions that can easily be found in the AH Help file.
One of the many signs of our degenerating society is the feeling of entitlement that many folks have. Like it's someone else's job to bring them up to speed.
You guys want me to fly the plane and get the kills for you too?
If someone DOES answer your questions online, you should feel grateful. But in NO WAY should anyone be upset when their questions aren't answered. It's not our job.
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Stick, read the help files. Do your part.
THEN, remap everything identical to the way you have WB mapped.
All my keys with the exception of a few are identical. And old shoe..
My buttons on my flight setup ARE identical.
Change your voice activation button to the space bar. Then you don't have to look for it, ( it's the long one at the bottom of the key board :D ) Go online in an arena, tune vox to yourself and test it to get your volumes correct.
And try not to be wound too tight, relax, have fun.
The only question I remember asking online was if it was fair to call time out if you were grabbing a beer...
I might add that everyone said yes..
Hook up with some WB guys and fly..
Put a few weeks in and have fun..
I don't see a shortage of help here, you'll get your questions answered.
Online with alot of people it's hard. Post here or in the help forum.
Or grab a hold of Ghosth, besides being a hell of a nice guy, he knows this game inside and out.
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Think most will admit I answer more questions in 2 hrs than most players do in a week...
Lately though with the influx of newbs due to the promotion I can't keep up, my replies are getting shorter, and sometimes ruder! +) and I think the veteran community as a whole maybe feeling abit the same way..
I won't even touch questions which obviously prove the newb just downloaded and clicked play....
I wish more of them would READ!!
Nothing against you Stick, I haven't been in the CT I typically spend all my time in the MA.
After Mar 15th i'll be able to relax more +)
SKurj
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STICKMAN: If you don't have the entire keymap memorized, do what I do when I forget a seldom used key.... open "setup" and scroll through the key commands until you find the one you are looking for, which requires NO effort on the part of someone else, only your effort... again, help yourself a bit, and you will most likely be helped when you really need it. Oh, and don't get me wrong, I answer questions when it is convenient, and I feel the "asker" isn't being lazy and disregarding my desire to play uninterrupted.
BigUC: The "join" command I was referencing was not to join as a gunner in a bomber, but to join as an observer on a pilot's sortie in any type of craft. A big obnoxious window pops up asking for your permission to let the offender observe.
FLOSSY: Thanks!!! I appreciate the tip on removing the aforementioned obnoxious join window. Hmmm.. maybe I should have just gone on open channel and asked someone for instructions! :D
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There is no point in answering WB players questions since they lack the skills needed to ever do well in AH anyway... It is a waste of time.
lazs
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gonna need more bait than that lazs2
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Originally posted by Skorpyon
FLOSSY: Thanks!!! I appreciate the tip on removing the aforementioned obnoxious join window. Hmmm.. maybe I should have just gone on open channel and asked someone for instructions! :D
LOL Skorpyon! :D Just wish I would remember to use it myself! Last night, I joined a Lanc mission, which turned out to be quite a long one across a few sectors and around a couple of hills. It was getting late for me, and I knew I would have to log after I finished it.
I reached the target and, for once, actually managed to hit something! 2 "structures", and ammo bunker and 2 BHs. Feeling very pleased with myself at finally achieving this success after months of failures, I turned to RTB and made my way back to our take-off field.
By now, I was feeling pretty tired, but was determined to land my one remaining Lanc safely - I'd lost the others during a brief attack at the enemy field - and was nicely lined up for the runway.
I was almost down, about 200 feet off landing, when a box popped up from some idiot wanting to join me! I quickly clicked Decline and managed to land my plane intact and brought it to a halt. Needless to say, I then had a few choice words for the person who had tried to join me, suggesting he asks permission first in future! Never received any apology either.
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I realize now I was wrong and you gentlemen are absolutely correct.
Ciao.
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LOL
the beginings of wisdom..
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FLOSSY: Yup, exactly the kind of situation I was talking about. A big LOL and congrats for nailing the landing despite the "intrusion." :D
STICKMAN: I'm hoping you didn't take some of the responses too harshly, or that your "ciao" wasn't an exit from AH. My opinion is that obviously you have a sense of concern for having a "community", and not just a group of freelancers flying around. This is admirable, and I for one hope you will stick around a while, just understanding that the successful "community" is the one where considerations are expected and given on all sides. Hope to see ya up in the skies, as long as it isn't on my 6! ;)
And finally, an ironic exchange I witnessed last night, ....
"Where are the bad guys?"
"How do I join a squad?"
"How do I find the bad guys?"
"Where are the bad guys?"
"Somebody please help me find the bad guys."
"How do I pull up the map?"
"Where is the mission?"
All questions asked by the same guy within the span of a few minutes, despite the effort by some (including me) to give him a couple of quick pointers so he would quit pestering. These are the guys who try the patience of those of us who otherwise don't mind helping out once in a while. :)
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Cobra
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Originally posted by Stickman
I realize now I was wrong and you gentlemen are absolutely correct.
Ciao.
Is that it? :confused:
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WB guys are a touchy lot these days. I think he needed an excuse to stay in whats left of WB. Now he can go back and say that we were mean to him.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
WB guys are a touchy lot these days. I think he needed an excuse to stay in whats left of WB. Now he can go back and say that we were mean to him.
lazs
Man you nailed that.
dh
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Hehehe! Yeah if you guys didn't read it, that was an OK! Whatever! I'm back at WarBirds post. Oh well, we tried.
Dracon
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Originally posted by Oedipus
If you'd ever had the chance to read Stickmans' comments re:AH on the WWIIO boards or AGW you'd know he came to the trial with no intention of giving it a fair shake. At least his "Ciao" was polite - which is a bit out of character for him.
Oh I see.... not looked at the WW2OL boards for a while. I did expect a bit more than that, though, after all the positive replies he received in this thread. Two little words come to mind.
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I hope you'll stick around a while longer Dracon but after reading Stickman's opinion of AH and the community here I don't think he had any intention of giving it a fair trial.
I've seen other pilots come here almost with gritted teeth determiend not to enjoy it and they go back to where they came from. You see the same 'I gave it a good try' BS over and over but those players forget their stats tell a different story ;)
Shame really we're all just sim pilots
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After reading this thread again this morning, I'd like to clear up a couple of misconceptions.
First, that I had no intention of giving Aces High a "fair shake".
Wrong. To be perfectly honest, even from what little I've seen, I think I could grow to enjoy the current incarnation of AH even more than I do Warbirds, after I've managed to get accustomed to the flight models. The strategy is there, the base layouts are excellant, flak actually does what it's supposed to do, terrain is very nice to look at.....all in all, it's a great package. Easily the superior to the current Warbirds build in most respects. The only thing I find lacking in the game iteslf is the aircraft art/resolution, and the easier gunnery, and as I said at the beginning of this thread, that's no deal breaker for me.
Secondly, that I intended to close my Warbirds account and fly AH exclusively: Again, WRONG. I have no intention of closing my WB account, but that doesn't at all mean I wouldn't keep an AH account as well. I have alot of free time in the evenings, and if my squad isn't online in force, or if the RPS in Warbirds is pre-Lightning, I could definitely imagine myself spending a great deal of time in AH and enjoying it. I kept a WWII Online account for over a year (though admittedly I didn't fly it for the last 8 months or so) in addition to my WB account, no reason not to keep active accounts to two sims if you enjoy them both.
Also, there seems to be some misunderstanding about the point of this thread. Initially, it was intended simply to state what I was impressed with about the game, and to let the community itself know that failing to help out a new guy in the game (within reason) could turn people off right away.
Wellnow, it's turned into a bashing session for people to feel like I've insulted them personally, or that I was being unfair when I stated that it seemed a bit difficult to get other players to answer a question or two. No problem, if you guys want to bash, feel free. I'm too old and too busy to worry about the goings on in this thread, especially considering I've been nothing but polite in my responses. But you might consider this: I was honest in my intention to try out AH, and and just as sincere in my intent to subscribe to the sim after the trial period is over. I'm not 100% sure I don't still want to try it some more (more like 98%, thanks to all the genteel remarks here), but with some of the openly hostile remarks I see from some people in the community, I'm beginning to wonder if there's any point at all. The game, for me, is only about 25% of the experience. The rest of the fun I have is teaming up with other guys and having fun, and it's hard to imagine myself having a good time with some of the people who've responded here. I'm sure there are plenty of great guys flying AH (I know many of them from Warbirds, in fact), but there seems to be also a great number of people who, secure in the anonymity of the internet, prefer open hostility to geniality in their relations with other players.
Anyway, my entire point of this post (which has now become lost in my wordy response) was basically to tell you guys who think I came here just to screw around and annoy a few people on the board....you're wrong.
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Just wanted to add something here:
Why do you suppose that, after being offered another trial period several months ago, I decided to wait awhile? The reason (strange as it may seem) is because I wanted to wait until I was sure the game was pretty much finalized (and with another version due out this fall it must be), and until I'd have plenty of time to give it the time it'd need for a really square evaluation. Do you honestly believe I'd have recommended trying it to my 25 Warbirds squaddies if this weren't the case?
So, here's how things came out in my somewhat abbreviated trial:
Game=Outstanding
Community=Somewhat lacking
So, don't blame my failure to return to AH for the remainder of the free trial (if I don't, and even with all the assenine remarks directed at me here I still might) on my opinion of the game itself. There's nothing wrong with AH, at least as far as I could tell.
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Ya know what, I'm giving this sim an honest go of it.Not on a freebie mind you, I've had a paid account here for some time.;) Albeit there is not the same participation of bomber squadrons here as there is there..no biggie. The gameplay is ok, Most of the people I have met are pretty decent. I've asked questions about different things (coincedently a readme doesnt tell all;) ) and have gotten different reactions. On the most part, people are generally willing to help out. Ocassionally you get the RTFM reply.
To the ones that help... You are a credit to this community and I am very happy to have had the opportunity to meet and talk with you and am very gratefull of the help you offered freely . And I believe (from what I've seen) you make up the bigger part of the playerbase here. :)
To the ones with the RTFM replies. I perfectly respect that you are in the middle of gameplay and that you really dont have the opportunity ATM to help out.Seriously...perfectly understandable. NP here with that.
To the few who not only give the RTFM reply, but also take the time to click on the link to here, post paragraph after paragraph elaborating on "RTFM" (probably the same ammount of typing as 200 or so ingame answers)...must suck to be you.
feel free to pick this post apart and not focus on it as a whole ...if you choose.But its intention is as a whole.
blkmgc
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Originally posted by Stickman
Wellnow, it's turned into a bashing session for people to feel like I've insulted them personally, or that I was being unfair when I stated that it seemed a bit difficult to get other players to answer a question or two.
Thanks for responding again, Stickman..... however, looking through this thread, I see lots of very helpful posts..... one or two "bashers" maybe, but the majority of us have genuinely tried to help you. I'm sorry if you see this differently, but can assure you that I for one was only trying to help you understand the radio better.... and others have tried to help with other aspects. I do hope you are not tarring us all with the same brush.... :) There really is a great community here, which I am sure you will discover for yourself if you do decide to stay - nothing wrong with playing both WB and AH; I did the same with Air Warrior and AH before making my final, albeit enforced, move.
I sincerely hope you do continue to try Aces High and keep on playing once the free period has ended. If you ever see me in any of the arenas, please feel free to ask for any help you need directly.
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stickman... everyone here gets along fine... it is a lovefest but... We simply don't like you personaly.. so far.. you are the only guy that is universaly ignored.
Community "somewhat lacking"?? there are more former WB players in here than there are players in the current WB. Probly if they haven't made the move yet they're not worth having.
lazs
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"Thanks for responding again, Stickman..... however, looking through this thread, I see lots of very helpful posts..... one or two "bashers" maybe, but the majority of us have genuinely tried to help you. I'm sorry if you see this differently, but can assure you that I for one was only trying to help you understand the radio better.... and others have tried to help with other aspects. I do hope you are not tarring us all with the same brush.... There really is a great community here, which I am sure you will discover for yourself if you do decide to stay - nothing wrong with playing both WB and AH; I did the same with Air Warrior and AH before making my final, albeit enforced, move."
I should've said there are certain portions of the community that are severely lacking, rather than state that the community as a whole was found wanting, you're right. At any rate, there are far fewer childish squables on the air in Warbirds than in Aces High. This was evident in the first 10 minutes I spent online (mostly because there is but a fraction of the playerbase in WB, vs AH), but that's not exactly what I was trying to convey in my initial post either.
And again, about getting questions answered online, I believe you're missing my point. Aside from the occaisional moron who jumps into a flight sim without knowing anything at all about flying and expects every little question to be answered by other players, I think it's perfectly reasonable for other players to be expected to be happy to answer simple questions about keystrokes, etc. that aren't the same from one sim to another. A good example is the key to expand the text buffer...in Warbirds it's the Tab key, in AH it's the Grave key. Without reading through and memorizing the entire keymapper, it's unlikely a former Warbirds player would know this, and asking another player should be perfectly reasonable. I asked, and a few minutes later another player gave me the answer, I thanked him and that was that. This was, I'm pretty sure, the only thing I found out from another player in-game. You see, I wasn't asking for help here, I was merely stating that it seemed difficult to get other players to be helpful in the game. Maybe the times I was on the other players were very busy, or not in the mood to answer my stupid questions, or maybe Lazarus was on and instructing everybody to ignore me. Whatever the case, I'm just trying to tell you, all of you who don't take the time to answer legitimate questions from new players, that it could prove to be more harmful than not. It was meant to be polite and constructive criticism. And instead of taking that for what it's worth, some people have decided to take it as a personal insult, and an opportunity to initiate a flame war on the forum.
"I sincerely hope you do continue to try Aces High and keep on playing once the free period has ended. If you ever see me in any of the arenas, please feel free to ask for any help you need directly."
Thanks, the extended hand is appreciated.
"stickman... everyone here gets along fine... it is a lovefest but... We simply don't like you personaly.. so far.. you are the only guy that is universaly ignored. "
Yes, of course they do. That's why so many insults are slung to and fro, both in the game and on this forum.
"Community "somewhat lacking"?? there are more former WB players in here than there are players in the current WB. Probly if they haven't made the move yet they're not worth having.
lazs"
And thank you, lazs (is that Lazarus, or Lazyass?;)). You're a shining example, ain't ya buddy?
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I also do my best to answer questions but there is another side to this coin and that is when you do take time to help and then YOU yourself are ignored.Quite annoying too! :)
70% of the time you get a thanks for the help but all too often the player uses the info and doesnt even bother to answer when we ask 'has it solved your problem?'. Im afraid its the way of the internet as the world is full of rude players as well as helpfull and polite ones.
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Stickman avoid this General BB. About the only time I read this General Forum is when squadie points something out to me or a CM does.
Just like the real world this place is full of egos.
I sincerely hope you come to enjoy Aces High as much as I do.
daddog
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail more than his tongue – Unknown
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Revvin,
Thanks!! Nope I am here to stay. I love it! Yep channel 1 is a bit much but with 5-700 guys the .squelch 1 works for me.
Warbirds FM is just lacking. The WBs servers are just too "flakey". I have 1 Meg cable and tweaked and just got dang tired of the F15 to F20 nightly fight on the same Terrain for 2 years. IEN missed the boat. For me it ended a 6 year run. I'm not an Ex-WarBirder. I am a Aces High Virtual Pilot....and happy 'bout it
blkmgc, yeah I think we just need some dedicated bomber squads to move in with some dedicated escort FG's and the bomber part of this would "Rock & Roll".
This is so good and AHII is on the way. It's Christmas every night.
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Originally posted by Stickman
You see, I wasn't asking for help here, I was merely stating that it seemed difficult to get other players to be helpful in the game.
Ah, OK.... understood. As others have said, I think it is probably due to the sheer numbers in the game at the moment - I understand you were in the CT, but even there I think there have been a lot more players than usual, and the text scrolls past so fast questions often get missed. Possibly you missed any answers for the same reason?
As for experienced players asking questions..... if people realise you are experienced, they tend to answer sensibly - as I found out for myself a month or so ago, when I was flying a Stuka and wanted to know what key the dive flaps was. Others knew I wasn't a newbie and several people gave me the answer. However, if they see a name they are unfamiliar with, they tend to presume it is somebody who "hasn't a clue" and, unfortunately, the answers (if any) can then get silly. I've no idea why this is..... personally, if I know the answer to a question I see asked, I will always answer it. I am just sorry that your experience was not good, and hope that it improves in future.
Anyway, hope to see you in the MA sometime. :)
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Good to hear Dracon! I'd like to think Blkmgc and Stickman would stick around too but hard to take seriously from comments made before about AH and its community elsewhere but who knows perhaps they will stick around.
Nothing wrong with flying two sims and getting the best from both which is what I'm doing now with AH and WBIII but perhaps for the first time in a long time it feels like perhaps iEN is listening and I feel the current WB dev team more approachable than the last and perhaps the March release will be the start of good things.
Always nice to see familiar faces from WB, I approached the 31st FG about possible escort and would love to maybe hook up with you guys if timezones permit (we fly Sunday's at 8PM which makes it about 3PM EST I believe?) We're a historically based bomber squad always happy to get a few little friends come along with us as we go deep into enemy territory to hit the strat targets. There is an odd myth being perpetuated that there are no serious bomber squads in AH :rolleyes: ;)
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No Revvin, this is a week in week out serious bombsquad. :cool:
(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/1043364203095_rec1.jpg)
we generally dont use ai...screws the plane limit.heheheh ;)
Dracon, I hear ya man.HTC also needs the b24 (shameless Lib plug) even if just the d model puuuleaaaze.
blkmgc
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Saw that picture when it was trotted out the last time the state of bombing in WB was mentioned, was part of a multi squad meet up and not indicative of what I see online, hell for the past week there have been 25 players in the WB WW2A. No.9 stopped running ad-hock missions on squad nights after my comms starting messing me about but quite often you would see 14+ bombers in one mission...so much for the myth of no organised bombing in AH :)
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We dont do squad opps in the WWII arena (what squad does??) lest its non S3 time.
I'll post some fresh ones for ya if you'd like from this Sundays frame, or better yet just drop into the private arena and watch the 550th roll from F3. :D
Oh, and to your multisquad roadkill trot on over and match the callsigns here
http://www.totalsims.com/squads/squadrons.php?sall=1&op=all
Evreyone of them 550th to the core bud;)
blkmgc
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With tot theres not much to bombing in wbs come in 2k release kill yourself repeat.......
And to think theres groups of folks "dedicated" to such stuff......
:rolleyes:
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"...So, don't blame my failure to return to AH for the remainder....blah, blah, blah...".
Don't worry yourself over it. We'll just have to manage without you somehow.
bowser
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""""With tot theres not much to bombing in wbs come in 2k release kill yourself repeat.......
And to think theres groups of folks "dedicated" to such stuff...... """""""
Nope just dedicated to doin it this good :D...and foremost, having fun.Without that, gameplay means little to nothin.
(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/1046479220037_forms.jpg)
Hehe we even harass the CV dudes. :)
(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3909810/1046479219235_cvopps.jpg)
blkmgc
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What do you think the reaction would be over at agw if folks posted AH screenshots there?
That site isnt even owned by ien. Yet you, a guy who has jumped all over Ah'rs from posting stuff there, come here with your hypocracy and post screens on a company bbs.
Dont tell me the tot 3k daisy chain aint the norm there, I have seen it my self.
As for the "cv harassing" screen that just comfirms it. That and you get to hide behing 80% lethality and buff tuff.......
Like I said to think there are actual folks "dedicated" to such stuff.
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Hmm I don't even LIKE stickman,
But yep, the community here by and large sucks,
It's why I left in the first place,
It's why I've decided not to come back,
Spare me your virtorlic reponses, I do NOT fly very well, my gunnery is an open joke in 3 flighsims, but I wouldn't care.
What I care about is a tard loggin into the CT to ask on common why we are wasting resources, resources that I suppose could be dedicated to the uberlatewar hialt gangbang without end that some bemusedly call the MA.
well excuse us for not wanting to play AIRQUAKE, must really suck to have to try a different way to play
To my friends, later, it's still not ready
to my enemies, later, it's still not ready
To the clueless, forget you, you'll never be ready.
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And thank you, lazs (is that Lazarus, or Lazyass?). You're a shining example, ain't ya buddy?
Nah Lazs is a retired WB'er and Public Relations Officer for our squad.
Now, first impressions go along way. There are entirely different ways to say "howdy, I'm here, let's play."
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80087
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"Now, first impressions go along way......"
Well then, show me where I was rude, discourteous, insulting, derogitory, etc. and I'll be happy to appologize. I felt I was simply being politely truthful.
And that's the last post from me on endless stupidity unless it's to appologize for some insult I've unknowingly given to deserve being treated like a leperous lawyer/politician.
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Batz, The 3k daisy chain is the norm...in the WWII arena most of the time (not always) Its all in the profile you choose to fly.
as for the rest of your drivel, I'm here payin my 15 bucks a month...so whats your point?
as for CV landing ... YOU TRY IT I'll bring the popcorn and beer :D
blkmgc
EDIT- naw, thats not fair. Tell ya what. I'll land a 17 on a cv here and post a pic over there..k? As for the large squad pics...well we'll just have to work on that one. ;)
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Originally posted by pzvg
But yep, the community here by and large sucks,
It's why I left in the first place,
It's why I've decided not to come back,
Then what... pray tell... are you still doing here?
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as for the rest of your drivel, I'm here payin my 15 bucks a month...so whats your point?
I dont care what you pay your still a hypocrit. You didnt take "cost" into consideration when ah'rs post at agw, even though they have most likely paid far more then you ever will on wbs.
As for bombers no thnx. I am not as "dedicated" as you.
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Originally posted by Stickman
Well then, show me where I was rude, discourteous, insulting, derogitory, etc
Okay, but you neglected to add condesending..
Originally posted by Stickman
"The aircraft aren't rendered that nicely, but the terrain makes up for it I suppose"
"To me, this is severe negligence on the part of the guys who've been around awhile"
"I gotta tell you guys, you're missing the boat"
"Will I be keeping a subscription to AH? Dunno.....I'd kind of like to, as cheap and interesting as it is, but this is a big mark in the "CON" column, my friends"
"Finally, if mentioning that I was unable to get answers to questions seems like a whine, maybe I'm wasting my time here as well. I was initially pretty excited about trying AH again after a few years, but that's wearing off quick. It seems that, no matter how polite you try to be, someone is ready to freely hand out sarcasm, insults and rude remarks."
"I realize now I was wrong and you gentlemen are absolutely correct.
Ciao."
Now if I didn't know you, and been shootin stuff down for a year or so around here or better and in your first couple of posts you said things with "that" air..
My first question would be..
Who the F**k are you ???
Though I find myself still asking that question to myself on occasion..
That might go aways in explaining some of the reaction here..
..or anywhere else for that matter ;)
I realize you haven't a clue on how you come off..
It never lets up.
You will never "see it"
But I'd like to be the first to welcome you to our world..
It's just GREAT to have you here !!
I might add you accomplished whatever you were trying to accomplish in just a couple of posts !!
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I love you "who th fuq are you??" guys
Hey, who the FUQ are you? I was here for the game's launch, I left when they let pre-K (that'd be you) in.
Vulcan, I'm not "here" HTC invited me back, I came, I saw, the game still rocks and y'all still suck DO YOU GET IT OR DO I NEED TO PUT IT IN FRIGGIN' CRAYON?
I'm gone, cya ripsnort, someday you'll get tired of these yutzes and we can hook up in some other sim
FUUUUUUUUUUU!
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S3's are an organised event, you can do that anytime in AH. In the regular WB arena's I hardly see any bomber pilots so your screenshots mean nothing. I did'nt say that they were not in your squad dummy I said those screenshots came from a multisquad pre-arranged meet and they did and not indicative of an ad-hock assembly of bombers.
It's you that is trying to perpetuate the myth that there are no organised bombers in AH and that's BS, do a search of this board and see the threads started about ad-hock missions I've put together with no prior organisation that have seen many buffs in the air and been saluted by both those taking part and those who hunted us down. You're lucky to get 5 bombers together on any given night in WB WW2A out of the 40-50 online (although only around 25 this last week)
There are plenty of bomber pilots over here still waiting for the same old point and click bombsight to be updated then they might actually think about trying WB. Bombing in WB is no more complicated than a point and click browser game you'd find on Yahoo! and with ToT it's even easier which I guess is why you're so fond of it :rolleyes: Roll in at 2k and auger then rinse and repear...my my so realistic just as you bragging over landing B24's and B17's on CV's is. Bombing in WB has turned into a sad joke, a sideshow to a furball sim (can't understand why Laz's hates it so much)
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S3's are an organised event, you can do that anytime in AH. In the regular WB arena's I hardly see any bomber pilots so your screenshots mean nothing. I did'nt say that they were not in your squad dummy I said those screenshots came from a multisquad pre-arranged meet and they did and not indicative of an ad-hock assembly of bombers.
well were gonna "adhoc" meet tonight for training like we do evrey week, and "adhoc" meet tomorrow night for squad opps like we do evrey week.I have volumes of pics (with no ai;) ) if you'd like me to wast many megs of space here
It's you that is trying to perpetuate the myth that there are no organised bombers in AH and that's BS, do a search of this board and see the threads started about ad-hock missions I've put together with no prior organisation that have seen many buffs in the air and been saluted by both those taking part and those who hunted us down. You're lucky to get 5 bombers together on any given night in WB WW2A out of the 40-50 online (although only around 25 this last week)
aaaannnnnggghhh...wrong again. Members of the 100th, 550th proceded to bomb the living daylights outta F12 last nigtht with the fine escort of the 56th and 475th FG's. :D .....at alt no less;)
Never disputed the fact that there are good sized missions here, just disputed your claim that there are many bomber groups...if there is, where are they?
There are plenty of bomber pilots over here still waiting for the same old point and click bombsight to be updated then they might actually think about trying WB. Bombing in WB is no more complicated than a point and click browser game you'd find on Yahoo! and with ToT it's even easier which I guess is why you're so fond of it Roll in at 2k and auger then rinse and repear...my my so realistic just as you bragging over landing B24's and B17's on CV's is. Bombing in WB has turned into a sad joke, a sideshow to a furball sim (can't understand why Laz's hates it so much)
Yahoo has games!?...hmmm.
Your still missing the point. I did'nt post the pics to offend, I posted the pics to show how bombing could be here. I'm sure that most fighter jocks would have a heartstopping woody if they came across 15 live bombers with ai (count em thats 45 AC).
As far as skill..you try it. I'll put the skill of my squads up against anyone in any squad anywhere.My guys bust thier arses evrey week to be the best at what they do.And that they are.Moreso, the cv landing was for FUN you know...that thing that these sims are supposed to be about?Or have you and lazs forgotten about that for the sake of "gameplay" with the whines of TOT and crappy bombsight?
Lets all do some simple math here. you have 700 people online. If only 10% of that was bomber squads thats 70 pilots. 7 squads of 10 with ai...means 30 bombers flyin around in 10 different places at any given time. Sounds pretty damn cool to me. :) I posted the pics to attempt to show players to discover that there is more to this sim( same as in WB's) than flyin around perpetually furballing (to use your words)"Roll in at 2k and auger then rinse and repeat" Gives a whole new venue to fly for some who would enjoy it.
blkmgc
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BS Blktragic, in another thread on AGW you scoffed at the idea of there being organised squads here. I was never the one to try and say there was no organisation you did all that over at AGW you're two faced and full of s**t
The only skill left in WB is formation flying that's it period. Last few events I flew in had airstarts FFS. Bombing is no more complicated than a simple browser game on Yahoo!, ToT is a joke it does'nt work and increases the number of low level kamikaze runs but whatever suggestions put forward like ones I and others made were scoffed at by players like you who just want EZ mode bombing and not something a little more realistic..guess you just want to see pretty explosions and make things go boom :rolleyes:
A few arena numbers from over Christmas, you tell me how many of those were bomber pilots :rolleyes:
27th Dec 23:35
WB:54 AH:362
28th Dec 01:00
WB:72 AH:448
31st Dec 14:45
WB:19 AH:171
31st Dec 16:44
WB:24 AH:239
1st Jan 20:08
WB:59 AH:415
2nd Jan 17:00
WB:19 AH:187
2nd Jan 21:00
WB:43 AH:306
3rd Jan 20:00
WB:31 AH:316
4th Jan 16:05
WB:32 AH:276
5th Jan 16:25
WB:43 AH:290
6th Jan 22:34
WB:42 AH:286
7th Jan 20:00
WB:28 AH:220
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duh! Most people have a RL over Christmas. Even the AH #'s you post show that.
I usually like the debates and impending arguements we have, as they make me think and re-think gameplay, ect. But ,dude, you really need to tulips the mental reasons that you would "keep online score" in such a manner. I think its safe to say that the vast majority of multisim players really dont care how many is on where. WOW:eek:
Its also obvious you've lost your reason as to posting substance, and have once again turned to slanderous insulting crap...as usual.And, I know you will try and deny that, but anywho I will leave this debate so's you can have your obsessive last word. You really need to find some friends online. ;)
blktragic ...:D
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I think nopoop hit it... condencending... I merely pointed out that WB players have nothing to be condencending about. There are more former WB players here than there are actual WB players in WB. The vaulted WB community is here.
Anyone who remains in WB with the companies broken record of broken promises and the weekly "wheel-O-damage" and "wheel-O-flight model" is not worth having here.... they are sheep and probly pretty bitter sheep at that. No wonder they never argue... it would open the floodgates. pzvg... WB is still available... you might have to tone down the language a little tho...
In WB they have been "politely" complainging about the same screwed up things for years and have been either told that nothing was wrong or that if will be fixed..... in a week...or "soon"... "great things are just around the corner" you can't leave now and miss em"... I think that those who stay are doing so out of fear. fear of change.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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What's up? can't argue the facts when laid out infront of you? Numbers are traditionaly slower during summer months when players are out enjoying the sunshine, winter is a time of higher online numbers. The numbers were supplied as a point of fact in the face of the BS usually peddled by yourself about numbers online.
You've posted plenty of crap about the AH community and the sim on AGW just returning the favour ;) as usual you will now slink away with a few snide comments. Run along Blkmgc you've fallen short again.