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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: mitchk on February 26, 2003, 08:15:49 AM
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Instead of ATOM BOMBS how about those b1200(12,000lb) bombs that the lancs used to sink the Turpits(sister of the bismark).
If you thaught about it proportionaly with the 1000 and 4000lb bombs the 12,000 would probably take out half of a large airfield.:eek:
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if that much weight is properly modeled for the Lanc, sure why not? But I't had better not be the case that the lanc has any speed or climb rate with it...
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you mean the Tirpitz? :)
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We need the lanc mk 1 special for the tall boy (12k) penetration bomb & the 22k Grand Slam Earth quake bomb
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joeblogs,
The Lanc already carries a heavier load than that. It wouldn't be any worse than our Lanc is already.
Guys,
An easier loadout would be the 8,000lb and 12,000lb bombs that were simply two or three 4,000lb 'cookies' bolted together. Those bombs were dropped from standard Lancaster's like we already have.
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The 12,000lb "blockbuster" would be more effective against a target like an airfield than the Tallboy anyway.
The tallboy had a fairly low explosive content, and was intended to penetrate deeply before exploding, for tagets like sub pens, bunkers etc. The "blockbuster" had 10,800 lbs of explosive, and would detonate on the suface for blast effect.
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Love the idea BenDover
I wasn't thinking about the 22k bomb when I made this post
:) :p ;) :cool: :rolleyes:
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Unless they put in Sub Pens at the ports or a hidden underground V-2 factor somewhere on the map then there is no targets that call for the TALLBOY bomb.
You would get better bombing results with the 12,000lb "BLOCKBUSTER against the types of targets we have now plus the Lancaster we have now wouldn't have to be altered as Karnak & Nashwan have pointed out.
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Well, we could use a Tallboy as soon as hardened bunkers are featured properly, or when we get a BATTLESHIP.
Quite amazing really, that the Brits scored several hits on the Tirpitz from 17.000 feet.
Now the Grand slam would also be nice. Something that penetrates 7 metres of concrete, and anyway on normal soil shakes down buildings in a good radius and leaves a Huge, Deep crater.
The blast bomb would be nice also, would blow down almost a whole field ;)
Lets hope they all come :)
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Well, we could use a Tallboy as soon as hardened bunkers are featured properly, or when we get a BATTLESHIP.
Quite amazing really, that the Brits scored several hits on the Tirpitz from 17.000 feet.
Now the Grand slam would also be nice. Something that penetrates 7 metres of concrete, and anyway on normal soil shakes down buildings in a good radius and leaves a Huge, Deep crater.
The blast bomb would be nice also, would blow down almost a whole field ;)
Lets hope they all come :)
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here are some really cool pics I found of these giant bomb.
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and another, sorry for the need for a second message:
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and another
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Angus,
Umm.. but they didn't hit it single time with the big bombs
Problem was that the shockwave caused the ship to capsize...
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When I made this post I was not talking about just the tallboy I
was pointing out that lancs could carry big bombs(like thetallboy,
blockbuster,and grand slam bombs)that are much bigger than the b400(4,000lb) bombs that they currently carry.:)
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Umm.. but they didn't hit it single time with the big bombs
Problem was that the shockwave caused the ship to capsize...
The first raid scored one hit despite smoke obscuring the target. It went straight through the deck near the bow, but emerged through the hull, below the waterline, before exploding.
On the second raid, the Tirpitz was obscured by cloud, and no hits were scored, although a near miss caused some prop damage.
The third raid scored 2 hits, one level with the bridge, one level with C turret. There was an internal explosion blowing C turret off, and the Tirpitz capsized.
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There were only 854 TALLBOY's & 41 GRAND SLAM bombs dropped operationally during WW 2.
Would be interesting to see what they would do to a target though! :D
My problem is getting the damn things on target! They completely screwed the bombsite when the switched it up. I realize the bombsights weren't like the laser bombsights we used to have but neither were they as bad as the crappy version we have now. At least you could hit a city with the damn thing.
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As far as I know, it was 3 near misses of tall boys which capsized Tirpitz.
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Originally posted by Andijg
There were only 854 TALLBOY's & 41 GRAND SLAM bombs dropped operationally during WW 2.
Would be interesting to see what they would do to a target though! :D
My problem is getting the damn things on target! They completely screwed the bombsite when the switched it up. I realize the bombsights weren't like the laser bombsights we used to have but neither were they as bad as the crappy version we have now. At least you could hit a city with the damn thing.
How many A-bombs were dropped? 2
Is the A-bomb the most requested bomb? Yes
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andijg, almost all bombsight where far worse than what we have now. I have heared that some japanese bombsights where little more than holes in the floor of the bomber.
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That would be cool to see 12,000# bombs for killing tanks, I was about a mile away from Roseville,Ca. tracks when the munitions train blew up with 500 and 1000# bombs, my left ear is 80% deaf from it ,being there gave me a very good idea what being in London was like during the blitz with explosives landing everywhere,and chunks of smoking metal passing thru our roof even bombs landing in our backyard(luckily not exploding). Thats why i wonder seeing 1000# bombs in this game land next to tanks and it doesnt do anything, when I'm pretty sure it would at the very least kill the entire crew from the overpressure and probably take out multiple internal systems if the modeling for bombs is correct. I dont bother with bombs in this game since i've found that a single rocket can kill a tank easier.
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Originally posted by plumbob
andijg, almost all bombsight where far worse than what we have now. I have heared that some japanese bombsights where little more than holes in the floor of the bomber.
I remember seeing a film clip on one of the History Channel presentations showing an early-war bombsight that was an L-shaped bracket with two sliders -- the slider on the vertical arm was moved up to mark your plane's altitude, the slider on the horizontal arm was moved forward to mark your plane's speed; each slider had a pedestal to a sight ball; the bombardier adjusted his position so that he was looking down the sight line defined by the two sight balls (try doing that while the plane is bouncing around), and the spot on the ground marked by the sight was where the bombs were expected to hit.
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EXPECTED.........
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http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/germany/gersh-t/tirpitz.htm
Gives details of sinking.
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Originally posted by plumbob
andijg, almost all bombsight where far worse than what we have now. I have heared that some japanese bombsights where little more than holes in the floor of the bomber.
This is true. Some bombs that were dropped on germany actually landed in BELGIUM!!.
Often bombs fell up to 5 miles(!!!) off target so we have an extrememly good sight even though it is a bit of a pain to use.
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Once an American crew bombed England!!!
He (the navigator) said the map had the wrong types of grids, lol!
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Didnt the Nagasaki a-bomb land over the hill, in the wrong valley, cutting the damage in half? And that was with radar guidance!
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the only truly accurate bombing of WWII was done by the british, who achieved bomb accuracies of less than 100 yards, by night, using radio navigation devices.
In several mosquito attacks, the accuracy was as good as putting all bombs in less than 50 yards from the target, and hitting it directly several times.
Optical sights were never, by far, good compared with the british radio navigation systems applied to precision bombing by night.
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Fishu:
My source states that they DID hit 2 or 3 times. Another source also states that 1 of the direct hit peeled a 100 feet off the deck. She did capzise from near misses though, that is true as well.
RRam:
How about the German navigation aid, Knickebein and the X-Gerat? Were they not quite effective as well?
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the Germans did a pretty good job on Coventry city center in late 40-early 41 with radio guidance
What I would like would be the option of adjusting spacing in the formation so the blast areas of the large eggs dropped do not overlap, reducing total area of destruction.
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they were effective until the British started to bend the radio beams and make the german bombers attack sweet F* all :)
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the very large bombs, dropped in formation..would be GREAT way of wiping town/nearby gv's in 1 pass--remember even before the new buff model....a 4k laser-guided egg couldnt kill a 100% town
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Bring in the 50,000 lbs "Parking Lot Maker" bombs :) (NOTE: This was a poor attempt at a joke)
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I'd go with the Daisy Cutter or the MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Bust) which weights about 10000 tons :eek:
heaviest bomb in the world --> Massdestruction weapon!
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I understood the moab is 21,000lbs which in case i am right it is not he biggest bomb ever produced because the grand slam is bigger.
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Originally posted by NOD2000
I understood the moab is 21,000lbs which in case i am right it is not he biggest bomb ever produced because the grand slam is bigger.
it isnt?? what am I getting served from the media about Iraq then?
never thrust a journalist...
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Originally posted by frank3
it isnt?? what am I getting served from the media about Iraq then?
never thrust a journalist...
aload of crap, as usual.
UNLESS! It is 21k's worth of explosive
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I think the Grand Slam was approx 22.000 Lbs, but I'll look it up and post it as soon as I can.
It made a huge crater at times, up to 60 feet in diameter and dozens of feet in depth. It would knock down buildings from their foundations from "earthquake" effects rather than blast, using the bombs deep penetration to serve as a pressure holder for the explosion, - a bit like a combustin really.
In AH, the Grand slam and the Tallboy could both be of use if the damage model for structures was to be revised, i.e. Hardened against blast or not. As it is now, it's a bit senseless, for everything counts, - you can even strafe down a Shore battery if you have enough bullets.
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Originally posted by Angus
You can even strafe down a shore battery if you have enough bullets.
hmm, never tried that, how many runs do you need to do so? 10?
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Originally posted by BenDover
Once an American crew bombed England!!!
He (the navigator) said the map had the wrong types of grids, lol!
Sounds like Yossarian up to his shenanigans, booking for that section 8 :mad:
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Originally posted by Shiva
I remember seeing a film clip on one of the History Channel presentations showing an early-war bombsight that was an L-shaped bracket with two sliders -- the slider on the vertical arm was moved up to mark your plane's altitude, the slider on the horizontal arm was moved forward to mark your plane's speed; each slider had a pedestal to a sight ball; the bombardier adjusted his position so that he was looking down the sight line defined by the two sight balls (try doing that while the plane is bouncing around), and the spot on the ground marked by the sight was where the bombs were expected to hit.
This was the bombsight Doolittle's raiders used in April '42 instead of the Norden. Didn't want the Norden captured if the planes were captured (Good idea in retrospect). The bombings overall were like a bee sting but at least they hit what they were aiming for. Shows american ingenuity at its finest :)