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Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on February 28, 2003, 11:55:14 AM: Today I got a new joystick and I started to play AH with it and everything was working fine on it except for when I would move the joystick the plane would bounce back and forth a little (not sure if thats supposed to happen). I was told to go calibrate it and I went to calibrate on AH and it says to move your joystick around then move the crosshairs to the center (or something like that)...I did move everything around but the crosshairs won't move to the center, it jumps everywhere when I try to move it. Anyone know what the problem is? The joystick is the Logitech Freedom 2.4
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: spiffykraits on February 28, 2003, 01:35:12 PM: First you must calibrate the stick in the Windows control panel under game controllers, and while there also check that "poll with interupts" is blank and not ticked under the stick id properties, before calibrating in AH. If its out of calibration in the system, it may cause out of calibration errors in AH.

Calibrating in AH you move the stick to the limits of its movement in ALL directions including the twist rudder control if it has one, then let the stick go to its self center, and press finish. The throttle control you also move that to its limits in each direction, but it is not important that it is centred when finishing the calibration. The stick should be showing centred once that's done. If its jumping around increase the damping on each axis, and make sure there is a little deadband set. 5%-8% is usually enough on the deadband slider. Damping set about 25%-30% initially on the damping slider, except rudder which can be more. See if that improves control. Adjust damping to suit. By setting the right amount nose bounce in AH can be reduced. More damping -smoother control but slower response. Less damping - faster response but prone to bouncing around. Select the different axis in the drop down box.

A lot of nose bounce is caused by large rudder movements, if it has a twist stick reduce the response curve about center in the sliders, you can do that for roll and pitch too, but you cannot reduce the overall "throw"
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Martlet on February 28, 2003, 02:02:23 PM: what operating system are you running?
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on February 28, 2003, 03:57:04 PM: I did all of that stuff you said before I posted. The problem I am having when calibrating is when I go to calibrate I move the joystick around and do everything that is needed, then when I let the joystick go the crosshair in the box doesn't go to the center, it goes to either the far left or the far right side and when I try to put it in the center it goes way too fast and jumps to a different side, I have adjusted the damping and other stuff and it still didn't work.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: spiffykraits on February 28, 2003, 04:25:32 PM: So is it working correctly on test in Windows control panel?
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on February 28, 2003, 05:10:38 PM: Yes, it works perfect on windows, it came working perfect on windows. It was working ok in AH when I first tried it but when I went to fine tune it I clicked on calibrate before I touched anything else and I moved the joystick a little and the crosshair jumped to the side and won't go back now...my plane fly's to the side whenever I start. I tried switching back to mouse so I can still play AH and that won't work now either. Grrr.... ;)
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: spiffykraits on March 01, 2003, 03:04:02 AM: You could try this:

Close AH down.
Locate the file "stick.cfg" in the Settings directory of your AH installation and delete it after backing a copy up somewhere else.

This controls the position information for your stick in calibration, so then rerun AH to see if it will calibrate anew.. A new stick file should be generated.

There is another file "jsmap.cfg" which identifies the stick and stores the keymapping for it. This should be ok, but try the first one initially.

If that doesn't work I suggest you delete both files, and re-install AH again over the existing installation and start stick id and calibration from the beginning again.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 01, 2003, 10:39:50 AM: That stick.cfg thing did work...it made the stick go back to where it was in the begining....
It won't calibrate now. When I fly my plane and move the joystick a little the plane bounces back and forth. How can I get rid of this problem...remember, it won't calibrate right because once the crosshair in the box is moved, it won't go back to the center of the box.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Maniacal81st on March 01, 2003, 11:04:40 AM: <>

Make sure you have the joystick selected as the preferred controller for AH. The default is the mouse, make sure you highlight your joystick. (in the joystick setup screen of AH)

If you do not have a FF joystick, make sure you "disable all forces" in the "forcefeedback" section under joystick setup

Hope this helps!

<> Major MaNiaCaL

~*81st*~ Krewsaderz

ROOKS!!!!!!!
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: spiffykraits on March 01, 2003, 11:33:53 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Maniacal81st
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Make sure you have the joystick selected as the preferred controller for AH. The default is the mouse, make sure you highlight your joystick. (in the joystick setup screen of AH)

If you do not have a FF joystick, make sure you "disable all forces" in the "forcefeedback" section under joystick setup

Hope this helps!

<> Major MaNiaCaL

~*81st*~ Krewsaderz

ROOKS!!!!!!!

What he said. :)

In the joystick setup screen there is a button "Select Joystick" above the calibrate button. make sure it "is" your stick type that is matched to what you have and highlighted.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 01, 2003, 01:24:07 PM: That is the first thing I did when I got this joystick. ;)
Every time I go to calibrate the stick, it messes up and I have to go and delete the stick.cfg file.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Anyone else got any ideas that could help me?
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 03, 2003, 04:58:31 PM: Anyone else want to try and help? I e-mailed support about this a couple days ago.
Title: Add Deadbands
Post by: rpm on March 04, 2003, 06:41:53 AM: If it's calibrated perfect in Windows, but is twitchy in the game try adding Deadbands when calibrating in the game. You may have to do it for all Axis. You probably have 1 spring a little tighter than the rest and it's grazing a contact. Will work it's self out in time as springs start to give.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: SKurj on March 04, 2003, 07:54:27 AM: try a different stick... borrow one or buy one if you have to..

SKurj
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 10:28:01 AM: That is what customer support told me to do but I have tried that. I have changed the deadband/dampening in so many ways and none of the changes I make seem to help even a little.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: straffo on March 04, 2003, 10:28:39 AM: MSG try to make a short film to show us your problem.

alt + R to start the film same command (alt +R) to end the film.

The film should be located in the \films of yourAH directory.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: akak on March 04, 2003, 10:40:59 AM: Have you made sure that Poll with Interupts is disabled in Windows Game Controller?

ack-ack
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Martlet on March 04, 2003, 12:02:33 PM: This happened to me, and I worked around it. What OS are you running, I asked once already.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 01:29:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
This happened to me, and I worked around it. What OS are you running, I asked once already.

Huh?
Quote
Have you made sure that Poll with Interupts is disabled in Windows Game Controller?

Huh?
Quote
MSG try to make a short film to show us your problem.

I did, it doesn't seem to work. It says "Windows cannot open this file:" "To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it."
I will try to explain the problem I am having. The joystick is "loose" when I go to calibrate it. If I barely touch the joystick with one finger the crosshair in the calibration box jumps to one of the sides and when I try to move it back into the center, it won't go, it keeps jumping to a different side.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: straffo on March 04, 2003, 01:46:41 PM: It create a filer name filmXX.ahf which can be read by AH.
On the 1st page when you enter AH there is a film button.the best way is to create a film like a said previously ,to zip it and then post the zip in this thread (look at the attach file edit box under your message)

In fact I just wanted to know if you weren't pushing to hard on the stick like I was doing when I was a newbie.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 06:19:37 PM: Sending the joystick back to amazon.com tomorow. I lost $15 in shipping but who cares :D . Thanks for all the help, I will be going back to a mouse. :)
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Martlet on March 04, 2003, 07:35:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MSG
Sending the joystick back to amazon.com tomorow. I lost $15 in shipping but who cares :D . Thanks for all the help, I will be going back to a mouse. :)

OS is operating system. Are you running Windows XP?

It's most likely a very easy fix. Send me an email or post here telling me what operating system you use.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 08:55:41 PM: Yes, Windows XP
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Martlet on March 04, 2003, 09:42:40 PM: ok, windows xp defaults to read only and causes problems with some sticks. There are files you can delete, but the easiest way is to uninstall AH, then look on your c: drive and make sure the whole folder is deleted.

Then re install, and make sure your stick and settings files are deleted.

Calibrate your joystick in windows, if you can.

When you log onto AH, DO NOT CALIBRATE YOUR JOYSTICK.
Leave it as is, and don't change your sliders, either.

The calibration in windows should be more than enough.

The same thing happened to me, and I've been flying 3 weeks now since I did that fix, with no trouble.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 09:58:33 PM: I didn't have to calibrate it because it flew fine, only thing I didn't like was when you move the joystick the plane bounces back and forth...just like it does with a mouse.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: Martlet on March 04, 2003, 11:08:32 PM: If your only problem is it's reacting like the mouse, then check to make sure you have the joystick selected in your setup.
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 04, 2003, 11:15:31 PM: The joystick is selected. That is my only problem, but when I go to fix that problem, I get a brand new problem...
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: SKurj on March 05, 2003, 07:35:00 AM: Don't touch calibration..

try adjusting the scaling, deadbands, damping etc.. perhaps that will help

SKurj
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 05, 2003, 11:10:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SKurj
Don't touch calibration..

try adjusting the scaling, deadbands, damping etc.. perhaps that will help

SKurj

Tried that:D
Title: calibrating problem
Post by: MSG on March 06, 2003, 11:22:11 PM: I got rid of the joystick and now I can't fly with a mouse, my plane does a nose dive when it gets to a certain speed when I am taking off.