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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on March 01, 2003, 08:54:37 AM
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Can anyone tell me about this Voss gulf war/F15/scorpion thing?
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To summarize; Gay, gay, stupid, gay, stupid, gay, gay, gay. Gay.
SOB
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*thump* *thump*
"the parrott is no more!"
"pardon?"
"this parrot is DEAD, sir!"
*thump* *thump*
"see??"
"no, it's sleeping."
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Do a search for "Biggest "egos" in the game?", in General Discussion. Sort br # of replies, it had 320 befor it was locked.
Its all in there
eskimo
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Do a google "groups" search for Paul Hinds.... you will learn all you will ever want to know.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Do a google "groups" search for Paul Hinds.... you will learn all you will ever want to know.
Damn! I never even had a clue the real thing was that bad. I just thought it was some sort of inside joke. :eek: :eek:
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From what I remember...
Voss decided to start his own MMPOG flight sim. He recruited a few people to help out and someone donated some hardware to help him develop the game. He announced it as a game that would do everything. The most realistic FM, the most realistic strategy and the most realistic everything he forgot to mention.
The threads started to get a bit fun at that time. People started with "WB sucks... TAS is going to have this in it..." threads and things got ugly quickly. Side note: this is why nobody with experience with on-line sims should weigh promises against existing product - lesson learned.
People got a little tired of promises and wanted to see some results. Voss posted a "screenshot" from the game that was quickly identified as a drawing. This opened a can of worms as voss had given us a brief look at his true nature. People began to question everything.
He'd also claimed to be a PhD and to have graduated from the Air Force Academy. Someone who had attended the academny wanted to know when. Voss answered vaguely, but it was about the same time he'd graduated from there so he checked to see if he was in a class ahead of or behind him. It turns out Voss had never attended.
Voss also claimed to have flown an F-16 in Desert storm (for the CIA) and to have had a couple of kills. This "lie" I find particularly funny. Voss has an RC model of an F-16. He still maintains that flying it is just like flying the real thing and still calls himself an F-16 pilot. The "I'm an f-16 pilot" thing grew into a totally uncontrollable lie.
As all of his lies were being unravelled... the really wierd stories started up. First, he was out because he was bitten by a scorpion in the desert. Then, the brain tumor (shich would definately explain everything else). Both of those turned out to be lies too.
That's about when everything TAS pretty much died out.
Of course, this community has a long memory, so when voss came back to AH and started getting preachy about morals and ethics, it wasn't too warmly received. Thus "the biggest egos in the game" thread grew to about 350 posts, most of which were bashing voss.
That's a great thread to read. Voss still manages to get a few gems in such as "You've all violated your NDA from the TAS beta. Be expecting a call from the FBI shortly.".
Damn... he's a constant reminder that even the worst people in the game pale in comparison.
MiniD
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Oh... almost forgot...
He claimed he owned a P-51 and posted a picture with his face superimposed over another pilot's face saying it was a pic of him in his P-51. As it turns out, he also had an RC P-51 and thus the "I own a P-51" lies managed to spiral out of control.
MiniD
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Wow, I'd only heard wispers... thats some funny crap.
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I am a fighter pilot.
I also own a P-51. It's made by Revell.
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Yeah, posting on a BBS....... where people can and will save your illuminating thoughts...... is not too good for later deniability.
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"Not all fighter pilots fly fighters. Being a fighter pilot is not a thing you do -- it is an attitude.
Pete "Boomer" Bonanni, F-16 Pilot.
I know... I'm digressing. :)
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It may seem like I am exagerating, but I'm actually understating things. Go to http://www.google.com and click on "groups" above the search text box. Then click on "advanced search" and enter "Paul Hinds" in the author box. It will pull up about 13 pages of old usenet stuff... but it should be enough to give you a better picture.
Here's some to see:
I recently flew a real P38 (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Paul+author:Hinds&start=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=01bb9041%24900bff80%2477e361ce%40nwark.com.nwark.com&rnum=109)
My stang flies like it is on rails (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Paul+author:Hinds&start=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=01bbeb72%24e88a56c0%2468e361ce%40nwark.com.nwark.com&rnum=108)
TAS CK AW2 WB (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Paul+author:Hinds&start=80&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=01bc3cce%24df92ca40%2477e361ce%40vosswars.ppp&rnum=82)
Testing the "real" 109 (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Paul+author:Hinds&start=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=01bc4eae%24e3028340%2467e361ce%40vosswars.ppp&rnum=54)
Voss refutes claims and gets squeak slapped (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=33989f87.395619%40news.concentric.net&rnum=3)
Trust me... the truth is stranger than what I've written above. Paul in action is truly a sight to behold.
MiniD
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Well, let's see! I am the head programmer at Pro-Line. I do have a form of
brain cancer, but I am going to out live you all! :)
Pro-Line has 38 very bright programmers/CADists/etc. working on TAS the
FEW. This wasn't true just a month and a half ago. Things change. I started
a lot of them out by having them put together parts of TAS BoB. True, we
still haven't put all of the pieces together,...yet.
Will the average flier prefer TAS to AWII, or WB? I doubt it. TAS has a
very realistic "handling model." Notice I didn't say "flight model." I am
referring to, not only the flight model, but the ground handling of every
aircraft. Users will have to learn the specifics of aircraft types, cockpit
load, gunsights, radio procedures, even weapon specific ballistics are
included. You won't catch any German 20mm's possessing one muzzle velocity
in one plane, and another muzzle velocity in some other plane. It's the
same round, it flies the same. The cyclic rate of fire may vary, as it
should for specific weapons, but the velocity will remain the same.
I took great pains to make sure that every plane flies exactly as it
should. I went so far as to hunt down specific types and check them out
myself. That isn't easy, and you can still argue that actual aircraft of
the war period had different configurations from planes of today. While
that is true you will find that the essence, or flavor, of each aircraft is
well represented. (When you climb out of the Hurricane make sure you look
for the glycol soaked pants cuff on your right leg ;) )
Technology of the Second World War has been carefully considered, and is
represented realistically. Radar? Well, yes, but not the radar you might
expect. Radar information is related verbally. Yes, TAS includes voice
communications. For people without microphones we have included a default
"Command" and "Intercom" vox command summary. Hit a button and your wingie
will hear your "Break right!" signal blare through his PC speakers (if you
have your radio set correctly). You can even use our built in utility to
change your "Break right" to Top Gun's "Holy ****, it's Viper!", if you're
so inclined.
I have seen furballs in these other sims last for 15-20 minutes, with ever
increasing intensity. I will be surprised to see a dogfight last even a few
minutes in TAS, and there won't be any dead guys killing you a mere minute
after you kill them.
We have weather too. Not just fog, or haze. We have actual weather fronts
that move. Weather can shut down flight operations for a particular field,
and you won't like that! We even have seasons represented. The camo schemes
on your planes will vary (if morale and operational levels permit
repainting) as the seasons change.
Oh, and there's much, much more...
Bear with us, as many have said you would. I have never understood how a
game can be a matter of life-or-death.
I made them all sign NDA's, though, so this ***hole is going to shutup and
sit down. :)
Paul "Voss" Hinds
Creator of "Tactical Aero Squadron"
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oh my god...
lol
and is this our Toad?
">Well, in a way I suppose you're right, and I must apologize. It's just
>that he's become so familiar, so common, so .. dare I say ordinary? You
>know, like the village idiot that the locals ignore but the tourists
>find so amusing?
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>Toad
Hey Toady...... one more thing....
You REALLY didn't know Paul was sick?
You REALLY think that calling TAS "vaporware" was O.K.?
I'm just curious as to whether you only got into this because you hate
me (O.K. by me) -or if ya got into it because you are really that
STOOOOPID? (not O.K. by me)
Hating me is preferable to being completely clueless. (although not
mutually exclusive)
Your Pal,
SkyWolf
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Countdown to thread lock...
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or all of us being abducted by the FBI
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EDIT: Hey Pongo... use the [quotes]... :)
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Now I don't feel so bad over making up the Elfenwolf Bungee Jumping story. :D
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Originally posted by Mini D
From what I remember...
Voss decided to start his own MMPOG flight sim. He recruited a few people to help out and someone donated some hardware to help him develop the game. He announced it as a game that would do everything. The most realistic FM, the most realistic strategy and the most realistic everything he forgot to mention.
The threads started to get a bit fun at that time. People started with "WB sucks... TAS is going to have this in it..." threads and things got ugly quickly. Side note: this is why nobody with experience with on-line sims should weigh promises against existing product - lesson learned.
People got a little tired of promises and wanted to see some results. Voss posted a "screenshot" from the game that was quickly identified as a drawing. This opened a can of worms as voss had given us a brief look at his true nature. People began to question everything.
He'd also claimed to be a PhD and to have graduated from the Air Force Academy. Someone who had attended the academny wanted to know when. Voss answered vaguely, but it was about the same time he'd graduated from there so he checked to see if he was in a class ahead of or behind him. It turns out Voss had never attended.
Voss also claimed to have flown an F-16 in Desert storm (for the CIA) and to have had a couple of kills. This "lie" I find particularly funny. Voss has an RC model of an F-16. He still maintains that flying it is just like flying the real thing and still calls himself an F-16 pilot. The "I'm an f-16 pilot" thing grew into a totally uncontrollable lie.
As all of his lies were being unravelled... the really wierd stories started up. First, he was out because he was bitten by a scorpion in the desert. Then, the brain tumor (shich would definately explain everything else). Both of those turned out to be lies too.
That's about when everything TAS pretty much died out.
Of course, this community has a long memory, so when voss came back to AH and started getting preachy about morals and ethics, it wasn't too warmly received. Thus "the biggest egos in the game" thread grew to about 350 posts, most of which were bashing voss.
That's a great thread to read. Voss still manages to get a few gems in such as "You've all violated your NDA from the TAS beta. Be expecting a call from the FBI shortly.".
Damn... he's a constant reminder that even the worst people in the game pale in comparison.
MiniD
:D HAHA Great stuff.. Does this nut believe himself? Just trying to get a feel for how whacked this guy is.
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Pongo,
You'll have to post a link.
In WB, the "Toad" was another guy. I was "Toed" in WB.
So without seeing a bit more, I can't tell you if that was me because I don't remember writing that. But I was involved with writing an early "blurb" for one magazine about the game. And when I wrote that blurb, there were no indications I could find that it was all bogus. I interviewed both Hinds and Hobuss by telephone, asked questions and they had decent answers. I had "flown" with both online for quite a while. Yeah, I got taken in early on, along with a lot of others.
So, show me where you found that and if it is my stuff, I'll admit it. If I wrote it, I wrote it.
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(When you climb out of the Hurricane make sure you look for the glycol soaked pants cuff on your right leg :) )
that ain't glycol i smell.
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This is the thread Mini-D mentions... http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64327
It's a fun read.
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I bet this thread doesn't get locked for awhile. Players of Aces High aren't the only ones with long memories.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Toad
thread (http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=332f85ea.26473247%40news.mindspring.com&rnum=29&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522Paul%2BHinds%2522%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D332f85ea.26473247%2540news.mindspring.com%26rnum%3D29)
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I just hope the guy gets medical help, because he needs it. I don't want to read about another dead AHer. :(
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I got bit by a black widow once, really.
P.S. It hurt.
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Hah, thanks Mini D, I KNEW I had read something similar to all that once before, twas nice reading the old group stuff and seeing it first hand.
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:::Waves to all the old flight sim junkies that arent playing AH but reading this anyway::: ;)
Hopefully this thread will turn into a lesson about why you shouldnt get too excited about a product that doesnt exist instead of a Voss bashing session.
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ANOTHER FRIGGIN RERUN!!!! Golly-geenit, I'm starting to get pissed over here. Voss has been beat to friggin death already- you guys are starting to sound like old people in the old folks' home reminicing about the good old days. diddly Voss, who cares what drives his pathetic failures as a human being that causes him to feel the need for acceptance among an equally pathetic group such as us? Seriously, we are ALL bozos on THIS bus.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Now I don't feel so bad over making up the Elfenwolf Bungee Jumping story. :D
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we are ALL bozos on THIS bus
Loved that album.. Firesign Theater
Well I'm back in the saddle again
Out where an Indian's your friend
Where the vegetables are green
And you can pee right into the stream
Yes I'm back in the saddle again.
:D
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this is dam funny...
I think homeboy should go into recluse and stfu..lololo
Salute All..thx for smiles
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Pongo
Toad
Pongo, that's not me.
It's this guy: "David Kirschbaum " judging from the address in his messages.
That's not me, nor has it ever been me. :)
Those lines just didn't sound familiar. I rarely use the "i" word except when talking to or about myself.
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it wasent me writing as towd either. i cant stand voss also but dont write that well :)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Now I don't feel so bad over making up the Elfenwolf Bungee Jumping story.
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Next thing ya know, I'll be calling HTC about your special monthly rate of $10.95...
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Loved that album.. Firesign Theater
George LeRoy Tirebiter... Nick Danger and The Case of the Missing Shoe.. Communist Martyrs High School... Don't Crush That Dwarf... Hand me the Pliers!
"Offer not good after curfew in sectors R or N."
(damn, they won't come up into the hills!)
"where's your school spirt, mudhead??"
'in the rumble seat.. wanna snort??'
Shit... didn't know anybody else had ever heard of 'em... hell I hadn't even thought about 'em for 30 years!! LOL!!
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I used to listen to 'We're all Bozo's on this bus' in quad, was trippy hearing the voices come from behind while, I think his name was, ummmBob or maybe ummmBill, was on the conveyor.
That's about all I remember 'bout the '70s ;)
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I had all of Firesign's albums. Should've kept 'em.
Of course, you can still get them and new ones as well.
Firesign TheatreFiresign Theatre New & re-released albums on CD and DVD (http://www.firesigntheatre.com/albums/index.html)
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see; voss is still good for something...
"we're marching, marching, to omaha, with the eagle and the sword..."
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This is the most amazing thread ever. Now here's the question, is Gpreddy really Voss or not. I know it's an old subject but frankly, I'd change my name two with all this past history constantly resurfacing. Oh yeah, and here's a little bonus pic:
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This soap opera post on TAS has been going on for 6+ years!
please let it die so or kids dont have to read it about in 6 more years!!
T0J0
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This normally comes back up when VOSS gets on his high horse and starts talking to others about "Morals" or "Honor" neither of which he has much of.
I really love to hear the guys who actually defend him.
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Isnt Voss "GPreddy" in AH?
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I remember when CombatSim.Com ran its editorial about how they'd been duped into hyping TAS and, to their credit, they had the guts to apologize for misleading their readers because CombatSim had been mislead, too.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Isnt Voss "GPreddy" in AH?
Yes
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I wasn't previously aware of the Voss saga...
But I'll say this... OH MY GOD! That was some of the funniest stuff I've read in quite some time.
A scorpion bite in the Iraqi desert.
A CIA Operative in an F16.
And my particular favorite: Shot down by rifle fire in the last authentic BF109 and forced to belly land.
Uh... Pilot to CIA Headquarters, PILOT TO CIA HEADQUARTERS!!!!Come in! COME IN! I've got a scorpion in my helmet and have to bail out! Roll the Navy Seals for an immediate extraction! I'll destroy my secret decoder ring in case I'm captured.
:rolleyes:
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It was the real military pilots that had the harshest reactions to most of Voss's ramblings. Can't say as I blame them.
MiniD
P.S. Anyone flying military aircraft for real is a tard and I hate you.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Yes
Voss...err ASASIN for some reason a few days ago sent me a private chat claiming that he wasn't G.Preddy and even gave the name of the who G.Preddy supposedly is (forgot what it was). Of course it's funny how if you look at the G.Preddy threads on the AH boards, he always answers to Voss. Same thing with his new 'persona' ASASIN. He was threatening someone and HTC the other night with legal action if whoever it was didn't stop calling him Voss. Of course we're supposed to believe he's not Voss, especially after the thread he posted where he says he'll no longer answer to Voss.
Ack-Ack
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Agreed AKAK,
ASASIN and Voss are the same person. If not, he has an identical twin personality! LOL
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If they both threaten with legal action all the time saying how they are in good with the men in black, i strongly doubt that two people of similar levels of schizophrenia or insanity (though they go hand in hand) would play this game at exact times the other person would log off. Voss, you are a true weenie.
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I bet nobody who was supportive of him in those threads has the same handle today...e.g. skywolf. Must be embarassing for them to read those old threads.
bowser
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Everyone was duped to some extent... some moreso than others. Its not something I'd really hold against someone.
And GPreddy is voss... dunno if either are asasin or not.
MiniD
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I bet people would just let it go if he were the slightest bit.... repentant but... he still acts like he did nothing wrong and all the fault lies with the accusers.
lazs
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I totally agree lazs... except its not just the TAS thing... its his hollier than thou attitude with every post in the General Forum. Its like he's trying to write the book on morality in AH.
I find that ironic.
MiniD
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lMfao...
Golpher..love the Al Gore pic..lololo
Vass-ass- assasin .is a jerkoff...... when i find him "camping"..i pee on his tent...
He cried last night when he was "camping" on the ridge in tiger town....Well i pee'd on his sleeping bag..and he started to cry about my 110 up there..heheh:) ..oh the joy
anyways..assboy started a post about HTC going down becuase of people like the MAW..
anyways he was quoting -tal;king the same exact way as Gpudd and voss did..
So to hear him saying ..su & legal ..and its not me..just makes it a classic case...
LOSER...........
Heres a hint..
STFU.....stop drawing atention..and you wont have to LIE so much..lololo
all you other guys are funny too..but not in a sad way..:)
Love
BiGB
x0xo
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I'm glad you guys posted this info about Voss. I wouldn't believe one word the guy says.
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I'm dense guys forgive me.. I thought Voss was an arrogant salamander/pretender. I got along OK with GP, in fact he was a decent wingie...maybe because we were on same side?
I've never heard Voss or GP on vox but I heard that ASASIN guy squeakin at bish on vox the other day.. he sounded like a kid to me(nuts in a vice?) *shrug*
I feel sorry for those that were duped, truly... but it makes a fascinating read. Depending on how much was lost, and how good records were kept... some folks could get him on criminal fraud if they were interested. Civil recourse is self evident.
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and sue him for what? the hubcaps on his 20 year old double-wide?
god will deal with him. god hates trailer parks.
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We're obviously dealing with a superior intellect here, guys. Be careful lest we anger the beast within. Voss, Gpreddy, Asasin--you've been an unstoppable force in the world of AH, undoubedly giving up dozens of hours behind the stick of a real fighter aircraft to douse us with your infinite wisdom of both Flight simulators and now, more recently, the idiosyncracies of the Law.
Now, for those really interested, I've pulled all my strings at Immigration, and have unearthed a photo of all of Voss's former alter-egos(none of the them legal citizens). I hope you enjoy the fruits of my efforts:
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Hangtime... good point.. if the guy has no assets. mayhap the only satisfaction one could garner is runnin him thru the system.. making his name a matter of public record?
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You take the good-You take the Bad..somthen somthen...Teh Facts of Life...The Facts of Life...
Cant remeber all the song,,....lmfao
Nuke..where you been!!>??
Havent seen you up
Love
BiGB
xoxox