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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sascha JG 77 on August 05, 1999, 07:02:00 PM
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What kind of weapons other than guns, gun pods and bombs will be modelled?
Any plans to model more "exotic" stuff like the 262s anti buff rockets or glide/skip bombs?
Sascha
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How about the 40mm mortar the ME-262 and I thing ME-163 Komet had, the would launch them into Bomber formations.
Cratering/Penetrating Bombs for Runways and hardend Bunkers?
"Fatman" and "Little Boy?"
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Well, Bf 110G-2 would not be perfect without ruztsatz which added 'schräge musik' (jazz music) ie. up and forward firing 2 X 20 mm MG FF cannons.
Imagine creeping to belly of unsuspecting terror bomber and then calmly kill his all engines one by one and see the wreck falling from the sky...
Oh sorry, I think I just come.
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Obfr. jochen 'Stern von Afrika' 2./ Jagdgeschwader 27 'Afrika'
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Well actually "schräg" means "oblique", which is a jeut des mots cause "schräg" has several meanings. First of all it denoted the way in which the cannons were firing of course: up and forward.
"Schräge Musik" in its original meaning describes unpleasent, weird music or music that is badly played.
So if you don t like Jazz, I guess your translation IS a correct one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sascha
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Actually that was a 40mm AT gun on the 262! It was also used on the Me 410.
There were also rockets of many types used on the 262 and other planes, including some with guidance systems. MUAHAHAH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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in my book 'Fighting Aircraft of WWII' it said that one ME262A model had a 50mm BK 5 gun on it. It also says that the ME262E model could be fitted with a 50mm MK 114 gun or A-2-A rockets and the ME262B-2a model had the MK108 behind the cockpit in the Schrage Musik configuration. (http://www.thewormhole.net/UBB/smile.gif)
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joness
=IAF= Collective
[This message has been edited by joness (edited 08-06-1999).]
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Yeah joness, I remember seeing a picture of that 262 with the 50 mm gun barrel sticking out of its nose. That must ve been a HUGE gun, the muzzle break looked like the ones they use on tanks.
Sascha
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Hey they just added nukes to f15. We've got the bomber group that did it in WW2 already! Hey Pops how about low level chute release A bombs, would sure give you a good tail wind home! HAHA
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What about napalm?
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How about the X-4 guided A2A missile (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
stimpy
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Napalm would be great for ack, hangars, troops, setting small vilages ablaze, etc. If the graphics were really great it would make a very cool addition to the available armament.
I know napalm was deployed on the F4U, P-51 etc. - how about other nations (axis). Was the US the only armed force to use napalm on a large scale during WWII?
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
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They did not use napalm from the airplanes in WWII, but they often dropped their fuel tanks on target and then ignited the fuel with bullets.
miko--
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That's incorrect miko. I have footage of F4U-1D's dropping napalm I believe as early as 1944. OTOH I've NEVER heard of someone dropping a fuel tank then igniting it with bullets.
That's one wild anecdote! (http://www.execulink.com/~jafo/Smileys/biggrin.gif)
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
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Actually Windle, I have heard of the dropping of fuel tanks on targets, too. Supposedly, as an example, I remember mention of P47's dropping them on trains, then trying to start them on fire. How the hell they ever aimed the things I don't know, or how wide-spread the practice was. It may have been more wishful thinking of the pilots than anything, but nevertheless, I have heard of it.
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Definately creative on the part of those pilots. Would have been interesting to watch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyone have an idea exactly when Napalm was first used in the field. I cant remember the name of the island but I have footage of F4U's taking off and dropping napalm on enemy so close that the planes still had their gear down! The Japanese were attacking the airfield itself and the planes were dropping landing loading and dropping again. Lots of great improvisation going on during the war (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
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Me 163 "SG 500 jagdfaust"
Five vertical mounted firing tubes each loaded with a 50mm shell to be fired in salvo. The system fired when a light cell was activated by the shadow of your target. The Komets just had to fly under the enemy bomber and the guns would fire automatically. This weapon shoot down a B17 during the war but was only used experimentally.
Wingman beware around this plane
laika-
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The Japanese were attacking the airfield itself and the planes were dropping landing loading and dropping again. Lots of great improvisation going on during the war
aawwww.... sounds like vulching (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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My dad read me a story by a U.S.M.C. lieutenant in WWII.
It was about the Japanese Americans that served as translators for the U.S. Forces.
I want to say it was on Iwo. someplace with lots of caves.
About a platoon of Japanes Infantry was in a cave. The Marines surrounded the cave, tossed in some pineapples, and bounced some rounds off the cave walls to startle the Japanese.
Then the Marines sent in the Japanese American Interpreter, to try and talk the Japanese out of the cave.
The Japanese promply shot him.
The Marrines rolled a few 55Gallon Drums of Gasoline into the cave, shooting them with their tommy guns, so they leaked quite a bit.
Then someone touched off a flame thrower.
Aparently most of the Japanese in the cave suffocated, they didn't burn, but the Fire sucked up all the oxygen.
Then the marines moved on to the next cave to repeat the process.
When the called for the interpreter, he started rolling the 55 Gallon drum of gasoline towards the cave.
He didn't see any point in trying to convince the Japanese to surrender.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Mossie , with 57mm Molins .
Mmm , wheres them hun uboats (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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kzcole
RNZAF
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Chuck Yeager in his auto-b a few years back described trying to set fuel tanks, (external stores) on fire w/0.50's...
JHL
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No offense meant Windle, but if your clip and mine are the same, the hog dropping napalm with gear down, is dropping an auxillary drop tank filled napalm and a contact fuse. This particular engagement was on Pelilu(<spelling?) island of the Palau invasion. The ridge in question was known as Bloody Nose Ridge, and as far as I know still holds the record for the shortest bomb run to date, 1000 yards from take-off to target. This engagement took place I think in September, 1944, prior to the invasion of the Phillipines and for the support of.
DRAHN
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That's the one DRAHN! So napalm was in use by early as September of 1944. That would give us almost a year worth of Napalm fun in the RPS. (http://www.hawkmodels.com/ubb/smile.gif)
Whadaya think HTC? Would it be a viable option for the arena?
All we need to do now is figure out which aircraft deployed napalm during the war. Was the US the only armed force to utilize the stuff?
Pelelieu - I shoulda remembered that one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
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Thanks for the spelling correction Windle, for the life of me, I couldn't remember that.
On simulating napalm in the game, I'd think the hard part would be damage editing, I.E.
1. It didn't have a big bang, so no shock wave to contend with on collateral damage.
2. It did burn for a long, long time thus anything burnable would continue to take damage as long as it burned.
3. Unarmored targets would be nailed right off, like say AAA pit or a platoon of grunts, or maybe sheep. Enclosed and armored targets probably wouldn't inless the tanks and flak panzers run around with their hatches open, then look out!
I'm by far no expert on this, but it looks like there be could several problems to deal with right off, if your gonna make "realistic". It would be fun to have and maybe something to work on down the road.
I haven't heard or seen any evidence that anyone else but us used napalm in WWII, that's not to say they didn't. Can't imagine the Germans NOT using it on the Eastern front at the very least, had they known or thought of it tho. Heck maybe they did, just never saw any eveidence of it.
DRAHN