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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FortyDog on March 02, 2003, 11:12:04 AM
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MAW began November 1998 in a WWII flight simulation known as Air Warriors. We had a rag tag group of about 9 members. Though a few of us were very good pilots and loved to dogfight, most of us were interested in capturing bases. We decided that was going to be our calling. We quickly found out that if we hit an enemy base knocking out all its assets (fighter hangers, etc.) and then auger that we could return to that base before it upped (30 minutes) with 7 or 8 fighters escorting 1 or 2 goons and capture the base. We became extremely proficient at this tactic and it attracted a number of prospective members. As our squad grew to 30 plus we were able to turn a two-trip excursion to take the enemy base into a one-trip affair. It wasn’t long before we started earning the praise of our countrymen and the ire of our enemies. We started hearing crap like “How many M.A.W. does it take to capture a base” or “M.A.W. can’t fly without their friends around” etc. We didn’t mine the contempt from our enemies as we new it was our success that was pissing them off. There was however one other thing that pissed our enemies off even more. It was the fact that we were kicking their butts with a bunch of Newbies. I have to laugh here for a moment. You see I’ve always believed it is easier to mold a newbie in to the type of player you need than it is to get an experience player to do the things you need. Newbies are very eager to please and they are extremely motivated to prove themselves. Imagine telling a veteran to fly to a base, hit a target, then auger. I can hear him saying, “and mess up my rank or kill to death ratio! Are you out of your mind?” Anyway you can see how Newbies were easily the best choice. Before long we had 60 plus members. We were now attacking 2-3 bases at a time. We got so proficient in our tactics that on some squad nights we totally ran the enemy out of the Big Pac Arena.
Our enemies’ hate grew as fast as our squad. One day we were challenged to a duel by one of our nemesis squads. I won’t mention their name. We accepted the challenge. You see what most squads didn’t realize was though we were a base taking squad; we had some awesome sticks that sacrifice rankings for the squad. They said meet at the appointed time and place. We were there in a heartbeat. Now just so you understand this was a big squad with a reputation as big as ours or even better. They showed up with 11 guys we showed up with 35. Our number of shows tells you about MAW comraderie. The idea was to duel 2 vs. 2 and the squad with the most wins won. To make a long story short we won. We earned their respect and they earned ours.
Fast-forward a few years and low and behold we find a new WWII simulation (Aces High) that’s even better than AW. We decide to start a squad there. As with Air Warriors our squad grows quickly. We learn new tactics needed to succeed. We hire Newbies. Teach them the ropes. Give them the opportunity to fly with a great squad and a great bunch of guys. We still have great sticks too. As with Air Warriors our success brings admiration from our countrymen and disdain from our enemies. We still hear “M.A.W. are a bunch of gangbangers” or “M.A.W. can’t fly without a bunch of friends around.” We have come to the conclusion that until we hear these things from our enemies we have not succeeded. We now know we have succeeded in Aces High. Salute M.A.W. Job well done.
Semper Fi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40DogMAW
M.A.W. Commander and Chief
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MAW!
dh
The Damned
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I,ve always admired you guys---------from afar:)
Great squad and great history
Salute
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"We quickly found out that if we hit an enemy base knocking out all its assets (fighter hangers, etc.) and then auger that we could return to that base before it upped (30 minutes) with 7 or 8 fighters escorting 1 or 2 goons and capture the base. "
It was precisely for this behaviour that you were so dispised as pork and auger dweebs, and, in the opinion of many, especialy in the FR arenas, ruined beyond redemption what was a sim about aircombat, changing it into a very poorly modelled war game WHICH IT NEVER WAS!!.
AH is a totaly different ball park, with a totaly different aim; and here your tactics match perfectly HTC's stated purpose; to win the war; and I have no argument with that (wiether I agree or not) and I can only have admiration for your organisation and to be honest, the way your squad grows and prospers shows you guys must be doing some thing right; people like to fly with you and you all seem to have fun; which is great.
However, having pride in the "pork and auger" routine in an AW context is pathetic. You should have been banned.
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In light of 40dog's last paragraph, I'd just like to say...
You MAWs are doing great. You're a find upstanding squad and I respect your members and your tactics. :p
SOB
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Originally posted by Seeker
It was precisely for this behaviour that you were so dispised as pork and auger dweebs, and, in the opinion of many, especialy in the FR arenas, ruined beyond redemption what was a sim about aircombat, changing it into a very poorly modelled war game WHICH IT NEVER WAS!!.
Well Seeker, I have to laugh at this statement. First of all we didn't fly FR. We flew RR Big Pac. Second of all, we never once heard anyone in the 3 years we flew there call us dweebs for porking and augering, which we only did when we were a smaller squad. Thirdly, unless I'm some how confused, the essense of the game was to take the enemies base and win the war not show off our fighter skills. It's my guess maybe you are mistaking AW for CFS or Fighter Aces where you do show off your fighter abilities, but in AW it was all about turf. One more thing. MAW ruined AW? Come on! You are saying we were that powerful. We have a lot of ex-AW here. What do you guys think? Can you believe what Seeker is shoveling here?
Originally posted by Seeker
AH is a totaly different ball park, with a totaly different aim; and here your tactics match perfectly HTC's stated purpose; to win the war; and I have no argument with that (wiether I agree or not) and I can only have admiration for your organisation and to be honest, the way your squad grows and prospers shows you guys must be doing some thing right; people like to fly with you and you all seem to have fun; which is great.
You do know that AW was about winning the War too, right? You actually just contradicted your own statement above. Oh and thanks for the kind words here.
Originally posted by Seeker
However, having pride in the "pork and auger" routine in an AW context is pathetic. You should have been banned.
You have to be kidding I'm sure. As I stated above you contradicted your own statements make your argument totally erroneous. Then you add the we should have been banned. Unbelieveable!
Semper Fi!!!!!!!!!!
40DogMAW
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I have seen Maw's upping at a vulched base with resolute determination to save it... very admirable. I have run into packs of Maw's.. 20 or so enroute to whatever mission they were on, and been beaten off by the swarm... good teamwork.
I have seen Maws bring in 20 to 30 planes to attack a base... and had a hand in wiping them out to the last man, without hearing a peep of a whine from any of them.
But it is my opinion that any group or individual that deliberately augers his/her bird is a cowardly, piece of toejam gamer.
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Um, there was no war you could ever win in AW. You could only take so many bases before you reached the uncapturable ones.
AH is focused on "winning the war". You can run a country completely off the map and even get rewarded for doing so. In AW, the base capture was but a diversion from A2A combat--there was no reward for it, although certainly some players (such as yourself) enjoyed the base capture aspect. The AW arenas were really more open-ended than the AH MA.
I remember the MAW's being a fairly respected squad in AW although I didn't fly in Big Pac much (mostly an ETO player myself).
J_A_B
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Sorry about this ignorant question:
What does MAW mean?
Marine Air Wing?
M(?) Air Wing?
M(?) Air Warrior?
Something else?
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Marine Air Wing
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Originally posted by FortyDog
We have come to the conclusion that until we hear these things from our enemies we have not succeeded. We now know we have succeeded in Aces High. Salute M.A.W. Job well done.
Semper Fi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heheh I always heard if the competion is talking good about you ,
you are doing something wrong.
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Originally posted by FortyDog
We quickly found out that if we hit an enemy base knocking out all its assets (fighter hangers, etc.) and then auger that we could return to that base before it upped (30 minutes) with 7 or 8 fighters escorting 1 or 2 goons and capture the base.
Uh. Maybe you should move to bishland - Suicide Tiffies anyone ?
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You couldn't *win the war* in Air Warrior, at least not in the sense that you can in Aces High. Air Warrior had bases that couldn't be captured, so no team could be *run off the map*.
I recall when MAW first started in AW. They would hit a base and then when resistance showed up they would move to another base and hit that one. (this was the beginning of their *bad rep*) It was also during this time frame that we saw AW people who had been or were Marines IRL giving the MAWs crap about calling theselves *Marines*. Later when their numbers grew they would just over whelm you with numbers. (nothing wrong with that, this is a war after all)
I think (and this is just my opinion) that most of the *hate* directed towards MAWs in AW was the because of the smack on channel one when 50 of them raped you :rolleyes: (kinda like getting jumped in a bar by 10 guys and while you are laying there bleeding one of them gets in your face saying...YEAH!! I KICKED YOUR AZZ!! )
It's also my opinion that BOTH games are sims and as such I've always tryed to survive each mission. (After all real pilots don't auger after bombing thier targets. Kamikaze pilots are the exception, but they only got one auger :p ) The other side of this coin is that each person pays their 14.95/month to play as they wish :)
Like every squad MAW has good guys, jerks, good sticks, bad sticks, and average sticks.
40Dog...from the perspective of someone who never flew with the MAW, but against them...I have to say this.....It wasn't the fact that MAWs took bases (you guys learned to do this quite well) that earned the ire of your enemies. It was your tactics (thinks like pork 'n auger) and your general attitudes.
As far as banning them from AW....NO WAY!! you guys were far to much fun to kill ;) Still are :D
For some fighting your way up the ranks with a 500-1 k/d ratio is a fun way of competing, who are we to judge them for that? After all..it IS their 14.95 :)
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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Um, there was no war you could ever win in AW. You could only take so many bases before you reached the uncapturable ones.
I recall one time in Big Pac when the 555 squad had taken all the capturable Az bases. The remaining Az bases were bugged and there was no way for the Az to regain lost ground. Once someone finally got ahold of Mage he came in and reset the arena. The 555's were so pissed off they left the arena for some time. Mage stated when he came in to do the reset that the game wasn't about taking bases, it was about WWII air combat and base taking was just a diversion. But hey...what did Mage know? He was just the Game Lead at Kesmai ;)
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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Originally posted by Sikanauta
What does MAW mean?
Marine Air Wing?
M(?) Air Wing?
M(?) Air Warrior?
Something else?
Massed Auger Weenies? :D
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I have never before seen so many people fail to take a base as the Maw does. I respect thier focus and dedication. But when 35 guys cant take a vehicle field from 3 in less then an hour and a half, you have absolutely nothing to brag about. Yes there are some OK maw sticks. Many seem to have finely progressed beyond the fly into a hanger or ever a fuel to kill it. Imagine. Kamakazing a single fuel. But what they do primarily is fly like dweebs.
Like I said. I admire your focus. And I have posted that here. But to brag about it...silly
Is this silly form of game playing what killed AW?
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Neh ... what killed AirWarrior:
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Originally posted by Elfie
You couldn't *win the war* in Air Warrior, at least not in the sense that you can in Aces High. Air Warrior had bases that couldn't be captured, so no team could be *run off the map*.
Well Elfmiester, much like most of what you say, you're wrong. There were many times that we ran BZ or AZ out of the arena. Maybe you don't remember because your were one of the score junkies who realized there rank would go down with the hordes of CZ on the prowl. Notice I said maybe. You may even remember the number of times that the arena had to be reset due to CZ having control of the map. I still remember the whining come from your side begging for a reset. I say that's winning the war. Of course that just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
I recall when MAW first started in AW. They would hit a base and then when resistance showed up they would move to another base and hit that one. (this was the beginning of their *bad rep*) It was also during this time frame that we saw AW people who had been or were Marines IRL giving the MAWs crap about calling theselves *Marines*. Later when their numbers grew they would just over whelm you with numbers. (nothing wrong with that, this is a war after all)
I doubt you remember when MAW started in AW though I appreciate the idea that we made such an impression that you think you remember when we started. It's more likely you remember the early periods when we first had an inpact on your life Air Warriors. As for attacking a base and having no luck then moving on, I'd say most squad do that unless they are dumb or a glutten for punishment. Was this the beginning of our bad rep? You make me laugh. IRL....who the heck is he? I've never even heard of him. You are right about overwhelming numbers which is where the bad rep originated. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
I think (and this is just my opinion) that most of the *hate* directed towards MAWs in AW was the because of the smack on channel one when 50 of them raped you :rolleyes: (kinda like getting jumped in a bar by 10 guys and while you are laying there bleeding one of them gets in your face saying...YEAH!! I KICKED YOUR AZZ!! )
Wrong again. You're good at this. The problem on channel one much like in Aces High was from MAW haters. Same old BS about MAW flies with numbers, you kill one MAW and there's another to shoot you down. You see MAW members are very proud of their squad. Our members consider each other like family. You attack one there's a good chance another will attack you. I'm referring to on chan 1. You attack the whole squad as some do on chan 1 then you will have the whole squad attacking you on chan 1. Now I know I have a few guys that mouth off on chan 1. But I guarantee you their replies are counter attacks every single time. You had the nerve to PM me one time with an assinine remark (been waiting to get you back with that one since you used it on me) to which I countered in a negative manner. You see this is pretty much what happens on chan 1 also known as dweeb chan on my part. As for the rape...LOL again.. If you are stupid enough to come to the bar of your enemy looking for a fight....LOL again.......out numbered.....LOL....we are going to kick your butt, talk about you and send you home whining. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
It's also my opinion that BOTH games are sims and as such I've always tryed to survive each mission. (After all real pilots don't auger after bombing thier targets. Kamikaze pilots are the exception, but they only got one auger :p ) The other side of this coin is that each person pays their 14.95/month to play as they wish :)
I so admire you for wanting to be like a real pilot. But like you said, we all pay 14.95 a month to play. I believe that gives each individual the right to enjoy the game as they please within the rules. Of course that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
Like every squad MAW has good guys, jerks, good sticks, bad sticks, and average sticks.
No arguement here. You got one right. wtg!!! Of course, that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
40Dog...from the perspective of someone who never flew with the MAW, but against them...I have to say this.....It wasn't the fact that MAWs took bases (you guys learned to do this quite well) that earned the ire of your enemies. It was your tactics (thinks like pork 'n auger) and your general attitudes.
I find it kind of interesting you never mentioned the pork n auger until now. But anyway, you know what I enjoyed most in those early days about the pork n auger as you put it. One it brought my squad closer together. If guys were willing to dump their planes for the better of the squad I knew we had something special. The other was that guys like you who only wanted to take advantage of the newbies upped their planes and no one was there to kill. Then after you landed you couldn't up there and we popped in and took your base. Great strategy for a bunch of newbies, eh? As for attitudes, like I said earlier, 99.9 times out of a 100 MAW was only counter punching. I will admit though we had a few MAW (and I only remember 2 off hand) that I had to talk to about their attitudes. But as a whole our guys were professional. Of course, that's only my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
As far as banning them from AW....NO WAY!! you guys were far to much fun to kill ;) Still are :D
Elfie, as MAW didn't hang around fightertown, I doubt you kill many of us. I however do remember killing you. You were just ELF back then right? Killing you here is a hoot for me too. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Elfie
For some fighting your way up the ranks with a 500-1 k/d ratio is a fun way of competing, who are we to judge them for that? After all..it IS their 14.95 :)
I must agree. Of course, that's just my opinion.
40DogMAW
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I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
corse I mainly flew FR but as far as I am concerned I first saw you in AH.
Guess I just overlooked you all...
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same here.
Originally posted by faminz
I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
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40Dog...
I didn't just fly at FT, although for me that was some great fun.
You are correct that sometimes MAWs were just responding on ch1, other times they were the instigators.
I recall only ONE instance where Cz had every base in the arena. (every one that was capturable) (Only talking about Big Pac), and that was what you guys called Green Millenium :)
Had a riot that night :)
I was -Elf- in AW 40....AH wouldnt let me use the dashes and Elf was taken *shrug
Hordes of Cz 40Dog?? come on...everyone who played AW knows cz didn't have *Hordes*. Cz were under manned in every arena. (every arena I flew in anyways and I flew them all at one time or another except FR was that way)
I flew for the fights in AW, not for score. I did accumlate high scores but it was never a goal of mine. (Well it was once. I was gonna try to end the camp #1 fighter but some 555 guy had 3 weeks vacation and only slept 30 minutes each day hehe)
My original post was just others perceptions of your squad 40Dog. I am not wrong in what I stated. That was how others percieved MAWs and why so many jokes have been made about them. It was not in any way a MAW bashing post. (To a certain degree others perceptions are also mine)
Almost funny you had to get defensive about it though :)
I did notice you have NO comments about any compliments I made in my post....typical :) ok, ok...it was just one :mrgreen:
I recall some sweet fights with you in AW 40MAW :)
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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EVERYONE KNOWS THE ARE THE BEST SQUAD FROM AIR WARRIORS.WHO ARE THESE MAW PEOPLE NEVER HURD OF THEM IN AIR WARRIORS.AND WHAT IS THIS AUGER STUFF DONT AUGER WE FIGHT TILL THE LAST.I THINK I MISSED THE POINT HERE.BY THE WAY
TO THE MAWS LOL I DO REMEMBER KILLING A FEW OF YOU
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knife shut it.......:D
knife u don't remeber your attempt to rope-a-dope a f6f while i was following with the maruader.
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Main reason I fly with MAW is because it is fun & I have grown to know several squadies haven been with the squad for several years.
As far as the auger & suicide stuff, I never see it happen & haven't been instructed to. If we are trying to take a base, my goal is to shoot down, deack & vulch as many enemy as possible, then land. Also have never participated in any suicide/pork base operations.
As I stated before, main reason I fly with MAW is because of FUN & Friendship. Some good sticks to wing with. There is also always someone online to wing up with which is nice.
And that BGBMAW, if you think he is obnoxious on BBS & text channels, you ought to hear him on VOX. Funny, funny stuff. That is one of MAW i have had chance to meet & golf with. Have also had pleasure of meeting others. This type of friendship & interaction is why I fly.
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Originally posted by faminz
I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
Me either, probably because I flew FR after 1996. But I do know the MAW have saved Knightland from obliteration several times by running amok against the Rooks to open up some bases, then turning against the Bishops and creating a grand conflagration where horde meets horde. Very impessive to see.
Speaking of AW, I flew that sim for 2 years and never got a positive K/D ratio. I accomplished a positive K/D in AH in 8 months. I guess there's something to be said to having a more challenging flight, ballistics, and damage model in a sim.
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Originally posted by faminz
I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
Me either...
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Started flying FR when AW moved to Gamestorm. Don't recall the MAWs much, flew Big Pac FR most of the time. Had some fun fights with ARM and Hammerheads in RR tho.
The past is the past. Now I join MAW missions when I can and always have a good time. You are a decent bunch of guys, fun to fly with. MAWs
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My .02:
I have never flown with the MAW, only against. Every time I find myself facing one of them, I know there are plenty more nearby looking to fill my ride full of holes. I posted a bunch of months ago about a fight I had with one member of the MAW. We were both in P51Bs and the fight, to this day, remains the best dogfight I've had in AH. It was literally the first time I actually had to get up from my seat after it was done and crack a beer and have a smoke to calm down. Another fight I remember in particular was when I was in base defense mode. I was in a SpitV and two guys flying in a nice formation were coming in on my 6. I turned to engage and they executed great teamwork. I managed to knock the first one down because he got greedy, but seconds later 40dog nailed me, because I made the same mistake his squaddie did: I got greedy. There was no banter. There was no name calling. There was an exchange of salutes over channel 1, and 40dog offered some suggestions that might have helped me live longer.
I have run into many missions the MAWs have led. I see a horde of big blue, and I know it's going to be a long fight. I also know that I had better get a bunch of my countrymen to rally against the MAW to stop their raids. More times than not I'll fire across the squad channel, "Ok guys, we've got a MAW raid inbound A6. At least 5 flights coming in hot."
I have seen many missions by the MAW in my year and a half here. I have yet to see a single occurrence of pork-n-auger. I've seen that far more times from the infamous Bishop tiffie raids.
As a former Marine, I had no issue with 40dog calling his squad the Marine Air Wing. This is, after all, a game. We have many historical squads here: 56th, 357th, etc. His is just another example of the use of historical names. Besides, look at his website. You'll see at least one picture of a squad member wearing dress blues.
I, for one, respect the MAWs and look forward to the opportunity to meet them in the virtual skies.
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--The variants of the 229 over the years..last few years led by Huck and Teeg, was at LEAST as effective as Maw in bigpac! Green Millenium hapened at least twice..though by the end, aw was no longer fun, as Gamestorm finally figgered out how to piss everyone off and make them play AH
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yes... there are a lot of you and you think the world of yourselves.... but we allready knew that.
lazs
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FDB history is far more rich and filled with less man titties and more womens titties
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Originally posted by Elfie
what did Mage know?
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
I wondered when someone was going to bring that *edited for the sensitive* salamanders name up.
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I have been flying with the MAW for almost a year now. Since joining the MAW, I have NEVER heard of, nor been given instructions to execute the "pork 'n auger" strategy. Any mission that we fly, we fly to live, fly to kill, and fight to the death if needed. Semper Fi !!!!
I never flew AW or any other sim, but what I get from 40's original post was the "pork 'n auger" strategy was used "back in the day" when the MAW consisted of only around 9 members. With that, the only way to take a base with those numbers was to "pork 'n auger". Hardly the case these days !!!
The only time you will see a MAW auger, on purpose, is when we are running ops. Between missions, if one cares to up and fly CAP at a newly captured base, and a new mission has been announced, don't be surprised if you see MAW planes drop out of the sky and straight to the ground.
I have never before seen so many people fail to take a base as the Maw does. I respect thier focus and dedication. But when 35 guys cant take a vehicle field from 3 in less then an hour and a half, you have absolutely nothing to brag about.
Please ... :rolleyes: ... is there anybody besides you that thinks that if the MAW brought 35 people to a VH base, it would take us that long to take it, from 3 pilots and/or GVs. Secondly, we wouldn't waste that amount of manpower, and send that many to take a VH base ... we usually send 3 ... 2 fighters/jabos and 1 goon, and thats usually 1 too many planes.
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The best thing about flying around in AH is getting a "name" kill. something like Rude or Drex and possibly my favorite Frenchy and Ammo, although they are hard to find because they avoid rooks.
A MAW kill gives me a nice warm feeling too. Not quite an "A" kill but a nice second level and there's a lot of them.
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Always enjoy fighting you guys.
MAW
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Originally posted by bj229r
--The variants of the 229 over the years..last few years led by Huck and Teeg, was at LEAST as effective as Maw in bigpac! Green Millenium hapened at least twice..though by the end, aw was no longer fun, as Gamestorm finally figgered out how to piss everyone off and make them play AH
If Green Millenium happened twice..I wasn't there for the 2nd time. I agree that 229 squad was every bit as effective as the MAW, maybe more so......and thats with alot fewer members :)
Slapshot...I haven't seen MAWs doing the pork 'n auger thing in AH yet, however it did seem to be a standard tactic for them in AW days. (And it did contribute to the *bad rep* )
Other squads that were very effective in Big Pac were Hammerheads, 444th Air Mafia and those 555 guys.
BGBMAW....that was a fun fight at A98 (?) on pizza the other night, to bad some jerk had to bring a goon and end it :mad:
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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MAW's are always good sports. I was impressed by icemaw's skill last week in koth. Tonight's assassin squad night. Rumor has it we'll be huntin MAW. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
yes... there are a lot of you and you think the world of yourselves.... but we allready knew that.
lazs
pot calling the kettle black?
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Originally posted by hblair
MAW's are always good sports. I was impressed by icemaw's skill last week in koth. Tonight's assassin squad night. Rumor has it we'll be huntin MAW. :)
Hmm its our squad night too! Sounds like we gonna have quite a fight. See you in the air hblair =S=
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Originally posted by hazed-
pot calling the kettle black?
No...Blue.
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MAW. I enjoy being with or against you in our events and I am always pleased with myself when I shoot one of you down. ;) Good squad good folks IMHO.
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heheh elfie..i love upping at bases being attaked...was dam fun..yep it was 98... chased gorski in his typhie after he vucled me 2 times..h e tried to run to canyon..Little did he know..i own the Canyons _O-Death!!!!!...NEEDLESS TO SAY...HE NEVER CAME BAK OUT..i DID:)
STupid caps lok
And..daddog..hblair..salute.. .yes we will see you guys soon...
Dam..2 rounds on won in KOTH!!! so close...
ICEMAW>>>>>>KING !!!!!!!!!!!!! Salute again!!!KING o THE HILLLLLLLL
thx to all that keep flying...dam fun..
BiGB
xoxo
p.S. daddog..dam mighty big thx for the work for all the scenarios..I love them..and so do the rest of us who fly in them
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Originally posted by Lizard3
I wondered when someone was going to bring that *edited for the sensitive* salamanders name up.
Mage is an all around good guy. We were squaddies together in the ACCS, and we met at the 1999 Con in Dallas.
He served his country as a main battery gunnery observer on the USS Wisconsin; he got to fire those 16 inchers! He participated in Desert Storm, on the Wisconsin.
Mage was one of the guys who was most concerned about the PLAYERS of the game. Time and time again he risked his job (and by extension, his family's security) to stick up for what he believed to be right. Mage and I exchanged a number of emails during AW's last year, and I learned a lot that he asked me to keep confidential. Eventually, Mage got canned by EA, like everyone else.
I don't play this game of AH. I tried it, but IMO you guys are [edited for the sensitive, replaced by]no fun, especially here on the message boards. It's like watching crackhead jackals fighting with psychotic hyenas, with the rest of the crowd all dusted up and screaming for blood. God forbid anyone would want to jump in and participate.
Reply if you wish, but don't expect me to engage. I'm only here to defend my friend's reputation from some rabid coyote.
Mosca
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Originally posted by mosca
It's like watching crackhead jackals fighting with psychotic hyenas
Now that is funny!!!!
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Any MAW ever actually serve in the real Marines? Or just playin' Marine?
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Hi, Mosca! You're good people, bro. Come back. You can squelch channel 1 and ignore the bs ... errr ... bbs. C'mon .... it's free until the 15th. We'll cut up like old times. :D
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I served in the Marines......no action though, just a little side trip to piss off Khaddafi back in '85.
I was in the Air Wing (no jokes now....) :p
MAG-11
VMFA-314 ....yes...Black Knights:) and
VMFA-531 Gray Ghosts
314 and 323 were "sister squadrons"
Though I have been in the MAW only for a few months now, I have come to realize that this group is just what I was looking for in a squad. I never really considered any other........though there are some who could have had me in there screwin up their stats instead of the MAW's :D
I am not sure about all this MAW bashing thats been going on......kinda humorous really.....and it seems many just do it in fun. For those who think they are somehow superior because of the way they play this game I think you need to get out more......or get some more......or just GIT! ;)
BTW...of course we are just playing marines....its a game.....oops I already said that didn't I?
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I served in the Marines......no action though, just a little side trip to piss off Khaddafi back in '85.
well then, ooorrah to you from a bubblehead. I was hoping the MAW had a few good men. :cool:
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Originally posted by faminz
I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
corse I mainly flew FR but as far as I am concerned I first saw you in AH.
Guess I just overlooked you all...
I remember the MAWs from when they ventured into ETO for one campaign. Was fun flying with guys like 38MAW and JoMAW.
Ack-Ack
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First, I have no problem with the MAW... a great squad. And I don't care that they used to pork and auger in their early years... many others did too. Though I don't care for arena destruction, others are free to do so if they wish with my blessings. I was a member of the HammerHeads (from the beginning) and they were quite adept at porkage also (it was all that bastage Prowler's fault). But there are a couple things that were said about AW that I want to correct.
Kesmai did not promote nor desire arena capture in their game. Instead, they discouraged it. I worked for several years with Kesmai as a volunteer and was privy to their policies. It was their opinion that destruction of all bases for any country would result in unhappy customers. Imagine a player looking forward to a game in AW all day, only to come home, fire up his computer and find he couldn't play with his buds and favorite enemy because all his country's bases were captured in his favorite arena. Many times Kesmai reps told the players that no one could win at AW. Unlike AH, AW was not a game; it was a gaming resource.
In it's earlier years AW players could only destroy bases (for a half hour), not capture them. Only strategically placed neutral bases could be captured. It wasn't until AW3 that Kesmai included capturable country bases. They still discouraged arena capture, but felt the arenas were so large it wouldn't become a problem. IMHO, they were proven wrong, mainly in the RR arenas, and were constantly resetting arenas when a country's bases dwindled.
Mage is a great guy and did much to make the game enjoyable. But he couldn't satisfy everyone, and many who demanded things he couldn't deliver or the company wouldn't allow, were brutal in their criticizm. I worked closely with Mage for years and can state from personal observation and discussion that he loved the AW community and was very dedicated in making the game better for all. I was very impressed at the patience Mage and Moggy demonstrated in dealing with the volume of whining directed toward them. They weren't perfect, but darn close.
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doesnt anybody remember the "i got the goonMAW" incident?
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*cough*
Originally posted by bockko
well then, ooorrah to you from a bubblehead. I was hoping the MAW had a few good men. :cool:
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Originally posted by Hangtime
doesnt anybody remember the "i got the goonMAW" incident?
Damn RW we will never live that one down:o
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MAW:History?
Post it on your squad website and pat each other on the back.
Geez, I'm ticked I opened this thread that started nowhere and stayed.
HONK!
Gooss
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[note to moderator]
Doesn't this self-congradulatory tripe belong in the Squadron forum?
Does anyone here really care?
[/note to moderator]
Doesn't this kind of braggadacio smack of pre-adolescent playground banter?
I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone could possibly be proud of flying Relaxed Realism.
No offense meant to the MAW's as a squad in general (other than their being a bunch of them, they seem pretty nondescript as a squad in AH. As was already stated, a typical mix of abilites & personalities.), but this post was just rediculous.
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well then, ooorrah to you from a bubblehead. I was hoping the MAW had a few good men.
ooorrah!
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Originally posted by FortyDog
Well Elfmiester, much like most of what you say, you're wrong. There were many times that we ran BZ or AZ out of the arena. Maybe you don't remember because your were one of the score junkies who realized there rank would go down with the hordes of CZ on the prowl. Notice I said maybe. You may even remember the number of times that the arena had to be reset due to CZ having control of the map. I still remember the whining come from your side begging for a reset. I say that's winning the war. Of course that just my opinion.
40dog...
The point is that AW was NEVER designed as a game of conquest. In fact, the conquest 'features' that were added to the game were poorly thought out and implemented. AW was designed as an air combat simulation (planes fighting each other). Things like bombers, strat and field captures were added in as the years went by.
AH (in the main arena, anyway) was designed as a game of conquest built around an air combat simulation. Unfortunately, the MA (which in AW meant Melee Arena) will never stop rewarding suicide warriors for the same reason that the majority of the planes will never be perked...it is bad business to limit your customers :).
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Doberman...Liek Michael Jackson says..."Just Beat it"
Doesn't this self-congradulatory tripe belong in the Squadron forum?
Does anyone here really care?
You do...............go read and write somewhere else...
the effort you have shown already says you do...
Doesn't this kind of braggadacio smack of pre-adolescent playground banter?
There are many Player Haters out there and in this game...So stop PH'n....
whaaaaa I hope a german shepard bites u in the ass
You remind me of the dum motherfkrs who type on the Channel 1..Squeclh so and so's name...
Ya like we give a rats asss who you are squelching..like we care..
Same as this post...why even say what you do?..Move on..go somewhere else...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
P.S. Whats your Pilot name ?? or are you scared to say?
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Slapshot rolleth.
Please ... ... is there anybody besides you that thinks that if the MAW brought 35 people to a VH base, it would take us that long to take it, from 3 pilots and/or GVs. Secondly, we wouldn't waste that amount of manpower, and send that many to take a VH base ... we usually send 3 ... 2 fighters/jabos and 1 goon, and thats usually 1 too many planes.
lol
must have been some other maw..
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lolh rotff
Will someone please get Doberman a tissue. I hate to see all those tears.
You didn't have to open the post lolh. It's just a game, just a BB. Take some time off go get la@d then come back you'll feel better, no matter what his name is.
to the AH community.
Mars - Maw Blacksheep
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Mage is a great guy and did much to make the game enjoyable. But he couldn't satisfy everyone, and many who demanded things he couldn't deliver or the company wouldn't allow, were brutal in their criticizm. I worked closely with Mage for years and can state from personal observation and discussion that he loved the AW community and was very dedicated in making the game better for all. I was very impressed at the patience Mage and Moggy demonstrated in dealing with the volume of whining directed toward them. They weren't perfect, but darn close.
Well said that man!! Mage and Moggy are both liked and respected by me, and many others.
I also flew AW for more than ten years, and I don't think I ever noticed the MAW. But for the last several years I rarely ventured into the relaxed realism arenas, so I guess I missed them.
Badboy
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Was flying last night and watched at least 10 assasins trying to shoot down 1 spit for what seemed at least 5 minutes .. was laughing so hard I almost augered !!!
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OH!
I felt that one like a knife!
but.
We do like to entertain.
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I always had fun flying with the MAW guys. 40dogMaw, SlapShot, Mars, Hammer and vspeed have been great to fly with and against. Maybe the problem people have with the MAW guys is more jealousy and envy.
TeeDog
332nd Flying Mongrels
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I hate the assassins...
they always steal my kills!!!!
:cool:
'specially Gurge
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Hey 40Dog, whatever happened to Reckless, Bosko and Red Phoniex?
Any of you guys hear from Ray or Wormdirt?
Speaking of MAW history is Painter still a flamin' Homosexual?
MAW!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Was flying last night and watched at least 10 assasins trying to shoot down 1 spit for what seemed at least 5 minutes .. was laughing so hard I almost augered !!!
That is pretty funny. Especially since there were only 5 of us on, and we were never all in the same place.
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It was 1 assassin fighting 10 maw..but dont burst his bubble.
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Originally posted by milnko
Hey 40Dog, whatever happened to Reckless, Bosko and Red Phoniex?
Any of you guys hear from Ray or Wormdirt?
Speaking of MAW history is Painter still a flamin' Homosexual?
Reckless is still around...he flys once in a blue moon. Bosko moved on to other adventures. Red Phoniex became RedMAW when we came to AW, and flys pretty regularly.
Ray7 blew a fuse and quit the MAW while we were still in AW...we think he is in AH but not sure. I'm sorry to say that I don't recall wormdirt.
And yes, Painter still compares technique notes with Jacko. ;) (jk)
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Originally posted by Pongo
I have never before seen so many people fail to take a base as the Maw does. I respect thier focus and dedication. But when 35 guys cant take a vehicle field from 3 in less then an hour and a half, you have absolutely nothing to brag about.
That is pretty funny. Especially since there were only 5 of us on, and we were never all in the same place.
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Originally posted by Regurge
That is pretty funny. Especially since there were only 5 of us on, and we were never all in the same place.
Huh...
hblair posted earlier that Tuesday was your squad night:
Originally posted by hblair
MAW's are always good sports. I was impressed by icemaw's skill last week in koth. Tonight's assassin squad night. Rumor has it we'll be huntin MAW. :)
Well Gurge, if you are saying that on your squad night that out of a 20+ member squad you only had 5 guys on and they were scattered, well that is pretty pathetic. No wonder FreeBirds and the MAW were able to take 18, 19, 7, 8, 27, 26, 30, 38, 40, and 42 from rooks in 3 hours on Tuesday night. ;)
Honestly though, I know at least Gurge and hblair were defending 30 that night cuz they both shot me down. :) It was a good defense Assassins...but we did have a LOT of numbers to throw at those bases. I know I fear hitting rooks more than bish cuz of you guys.
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Originally posted by Gooss
MAW:History?
Post it on your squad website and pat each other on the back.
Geez, I'm ticked I opened this thread that started nowhere and stayed.
HONK!
Gooss
Awww Gooss............You opened the thread expecting something else. The title must have confused you eh? It's okay.
Originally posted by Doberman
[note to moderator]
Doesn't this self-congradulatory tripe belong in the Squadron forum?
Does anyone here really care?
[/note to moderator]
Doesn't this kind of braggadacio smack of pre-adolescent playground banter?
I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone could possibly be proud of flying Relaxed Realism.
No offense meant to the MAW's as a squad in general (other than their being a bunch of them, they seem pretty nondescript as a squad in AH. As was already stated, a typical mix of abilites & personalities.), but this post was just rediculous.
Uh, Doberman, I posted this thread to give a little history of the MAW to the rest of the arena. It is not meant to pat ourselves on the back. I, myself, would be interested in hearing the history of a lot of squads here. Too bad all you can find is something negative to say. I'm glad the moderator, who you have attempted to send a note to several times to relocate this thread, has the good wisdom not to be influenced by you. Oh and I think your post is rediculous.
Thank you to all who have said good things about us. Salute and good flying.
40DogMAW
M.A.W. Commander And Chief
Marine Air Wing (http://marineairwingah.homestead.com/enter.html)
(http://www.marineairwingah.homestead.com/files/USMC_Emblem_001_100x100.gif)
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Huh...
hblair posted earlier that Tuesday was your squad night:
Well Gurge, if you are saying that on your squad night that out of a 20+ member squad you only had 5 guys on and they were scattered, well that is pretty pathetic.
Our squad roster is full of inactive accounts. We got 2 or 3 guys in the Navy and they're kinda busy. My old handle is there, and a few guys just diappeared on us.
Even so it was a poor turnout with only 5. Of course, I dont think any of us thinks of the squad as family so its no biggie.
No wonder FreeBirds and the MAW were able to take 18, 19, 7, 8, 27, 26, 30, 38, 40, and 42 from rooks in 3 hours on Tuesday night. ;)
Out of curiousity, how many guys did you have on those raids? On the map it looked like a big red blob, and when i got close everyone got super warpy.
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Originally posted by Regurge
We got 2 or 3 guys in the Navy and they're kinda busy.
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If you speak to them, let them know we all support them and hope for their safe return.
Out of curiousity, how many guys did you have on those raids? On the map it looked like a big red blob, and when i got close everyone got super warpy. [/B]
It was hard to tell...I know we had an incredible turn-out for all knights that evening (I recall seeing 243 knights on at one point). But if I had to guess, we launched 50-60 players (mix of FBs/USMCs/MAW) from one field and attack two targets simulatneously.
BTW, good vulch on me when you were in the Jug...you should have seen me frantically hitting the brakes and clicking "tower - tower - tower". LOL
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First off 40dog, I've not sent ANY notifications to any moderators or attempted to get anything done about this or any other thread. ( I think it's a great example of the hubris some of you people live with every day. I'd never want it removed. I will ask again though, isn't the "Squadron" forum the place for crap such as this?) My previous post is the only one I've ever posted with regards to MAW or any other squad. You should probably be a little more sure of your facts before making groundless accusations.
The [moderator] [/moderator] is a parody of UBB/HTML code.
BGB, my pilot name is in my sig. If you can find where I've expertly hidden it in order to remain anonymous, you're more than welcome to send the raving MAW hordes on a dog hunt.
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lol no i dont needs hordes to hunt you..i was just thinkn me..and i still dont know ur handle...or i just dont see you around i guess...
I just wanted to know.....if its a slow night in the MA..sometimes i like to hunt the people who who write posts like you did
just my OPIniON THO!!!
and yes....Fk spelling
Oyaa..thsi is the wrong forum..lololo
BiGB
xoxo
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Big salute to you guys for keeping it together so long.
Never flew AW so dont know about past reputations, my slagging on chan 1 is usually only friendly banter on my part but then thats just my opinion right? ;)
Have fun and live long!!
Hammy
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Originally posted by Doberman
First off 40dog, I've not sent ANY notifications to any moderators or attempted to get anything done about this or any other thread. ( I think it's a great example of the hubris some of you people live with every day. I'd never want it removed. I will ask again though, isn't the "Squadron" forum the place for crap such as this?) My previous post is the only one I've ever posted with regards to MAW or any other squad. You should probably be a little more sure of your facts before making groundless accusations.
Well Dooberman, I presume you’re not too intelligent. There are moderators for this forum. I've seen them relocate post. Since your post referred to my original post as having a need to be placed else where, one would naturally presuppose that is what you were trying to do. Also, your referring to my post as crap says volumes about you. You didn’t even have to retort my post but you chose to spit out your half-witted rhetoric in response. Next time keep your foot in your mouth. You would sound a whole lot better.
40DogMAW
M.A.W. Commander And Chief
Marine Air Wing (http://marineairwingah.homestead.com/enter.html)
(http://www.marineairwingah.homestead.com/files/USMC_Emblem_001_100x100.gif)
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Back when I played, I always had a great deal of fun flying mishuns with the MAW. Always a good group of guys.