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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tequilla on March 03, 2003, 07:54:39 AM
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Sigh...... This is getting old in the MA the perk or not to perk the La-7 rantings.
So as a community why dont we all just vote on it?
Just respond with a PERK IT or NO PERK or DONT CARE
No need for anything else and please no flaming diatribes
:eek:
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PERK IT
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Were is the "I don't care" option ?
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I like cheese.
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lol i just remembered why i hardly post thanks zipp:D
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Why perk the La7? it will turn a little so at least it will fight you... the D9 and the pee51 are nothing but back shooters and runners... perk them first.
lazs
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pay attention and you won't be getting whacked by la7's.
95% of the people who fly them would just move onto something else like a pony or dora and still do the same thing... suck and run.
it's the pilot, not the plane.
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Um. Don't perk it. The La7 is just good enough that many who fly it feel emboldened and try things that they wouldn't otherwise do in Doras and 51s. This results in plentiful and easy kills.
An unperked La7 makes the game fun!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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didnt say anything about getting whacked by the la-7 nor did i infer it in the post. Just asking for a community vote is all.
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Originally posted by Tequilla
didnt say anything about getting whacked by the la-7 nor did i infer it in the post. Just asking for a community vote is all.
it's inferred.
don't perk it. there exist planes capable of dealing with it.
which ones you ask? 109g10/F4, dora, pony, yak, corsairs, tiffy... and if it starts to TnB then just about anything can deal with it.
this is not really about the plane as much as it's about the sort of people who fly it and how they fly it.
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not inferred in any way at all I believe in open discussion however since you do fly the la-7 I appreciate what your saying thanks for your input.
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DONT CARE
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yep... if you perk the La you will get an arena of pee 51 and dee 9 runners and ambushers with slide rules instead of joysticks... the most boring guys in the game.
lazs
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Perk the "Big Four". 3 perks each!
P51D
La7
Spit9
N1K2
They have about 33% of the total Air kills....
Terror
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Heres an idea......Perk EVERY late war plane in the MA?
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In my opinion...
LA-7: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
P-51D: 3 points
190D-9: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
109G-10: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points
Perking these 10 planes would shift the MA into a mid/late 1943 environment.
The F4U-1, P-51B, La-5FN, and the P-47D11 will be the four fastest fighters at low alts at military power, and F4U-1, P-51B, LA-5, Fw190A-8 would be the four fastest on WEP.
There's a much bigger chance to see people using various fighters, which before, have been ignored by a lot of average pilots for the reason that they weren't fast or maneuverable enough against 1944~'45 planes.
The survivability of the P-47s will be vastly enhanced, and since some of the 'super ground attackers' with 2k payload + rockets, have been perked, it would truly live up to its name as a great and fast ground attacking fighter-bomber.
The ol' N1K2 fans will probably just move on to Spit9s anyway. We'll be seeing a bit less N1K2s, but more Spits.. but no special harm done here.
The P-51D fans would shift to the P-51B.. which has a little less ammo load, and weaker jabo capabilities. We'll definately see less whinings about 'cowardly runstangs' who come in at 20k to do a single bomb drop and run straight home after.
The F4U-1 corsair will also start to shine out, but it will of course, be limited in jabo capabilities, compared to the C-hog and the D-hog.
La-7 fans can comfortably ride the La-5FN, since it shares simular characteristics with the La-7, and is still among the fastest non-perked planes .. but the speed difference between other fighters will be a bit less than the La-7: meaning, it'd require some more careful flying, and also, people won't be whining about La-5FNs much.
Also, some planes which only a few people rode just for kicks, might come into real recognition: such as the Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, C.205.. which will be vastly enhanced in survivability and versatility. More variety IMO, can be expected.
Also, some jabo planes which people neglected before, could become very appealing, since the planes that were very fast, and also carried huge bomb loads will be perked. Planes like the Mosquito and the Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8 might be able to get more usage as preferred jabo ride of choice. When the 10 planes are perked, the Mossie and the 110, F-8 can all be considered fast planes...
The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides... and also, it is not a very heavy burden for average/low-skilled pilots, too. Work a bit with other fighters, and they'll achieve 3~10 points easily in a single day. They'll get a chance to ride better planes soon.. and if they are shot down, it's not like losing 200 perks. Just barely enough price to control the numbers in the MA, IMO.
If those 10 fighters are perked, the planes people will use, will be at 310~336mph range at deck speeds, where many many previously neglected planes can be used. The one single problem is the P-38L, which doesn't have an earlier variant..
With my suggested perk setup, I think we can see more variety, less whining, and satisfy the people who want to fly fast monster planes(perks very low for the experts), people who want to fly planes they want without too much of a burden(low perks - not really too much of a burden), and also the people who want some plane numbers regulated(3 perks is not too high, but still needs some work for the vast majority of average/low-skilled players who take up 80% of AH). Also, my suggestion will give some great expert jabo planes(Mossie, 110G-2, Fw190F-8) their role in the MA.. where currently they have no place at all, since almost every USAAF/USN plane can carry loads of rockets+2k load.
ps) also, the survivability of bombers will go up a lot more!
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Originally posted by Terror
Perk the "Big Four". 3 perks each!
P51D
La7
Spit9
N1K2
They have about 33% of the total Air kills....
Terror
following this logic, the PzIV should be perked as well.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
In my opinion...
The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides...
exactly, you'd be putting "noobs" at even more of a disadvantage.
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I'm with straffo and BNM: Yawn.
There is no issue here. The LA7 is mostly flown by people who are either a) learning and suck, or b) suck permanently and are trying to pretend they don't. When I first started playing AH I used to think they were "unbeatable" and "uber", but I've been chewing them up regular of late, so don't really give a toss if they are perked or not!
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I'd say PERK IT, I'm just tired of alway seeing them, but...
if you do that without perking the Spit IX, P-51, N1K, I think you'd just encourage the LA-7 drivers into the next best ride; and then we'd have to have the same discussion again about a different plane.
After seeing how a small perk charge took care of the F4U-1C scourge, I've always been curious to see what expanding perks to cover most of the late-war plane set (but very cheaply) would do to aircraft usage balance. IMO, there is a big psychological difference between a free plane and one that costs even 1 or 2 points. AH has a rich planeset, but it's underutilized because so many pilots just hop into the best free plane they can get. It'd be interesting to see if that changes when cost (though small) is introduced as a factor.
Sorry for being longwinded, Tequilla.
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not at all oboe, I think the input that kweasa and you have added to this thread needs to be considered by the community as well.
I thank both of you for your constructive input.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides...
massive perks? lol ive been a year and a half and only have 600 fighter perks...But i have lost 27 262's :D
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Originally posted by WldThing
massive perks? lol ive been a year and a half and only have 600 fighter perks...But i have lost 27 262's :D
well, yeah, but you're not "experten"
:p
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Originally posted by Shane
well, yeah, but you're not "experten"
:p
Looks whos talkin :p :)
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if you do that without perking the Spit IX, P-51, N1K, I think you'd just encourage the LA-7 drivers into the next best ride; and then we'd have to have the same discussion again about a different plane.
This is true, oboe, but let's consider the 'next best planes', in the case of the 'perk list' I've suggested.
The 'next best rides', in this case, are much more 'balanced' with lesser performing planes than when the late-war planes were unperked. As I posted above, the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, P-47D-11 are the fastest non-perked planes at low alts with military power, and the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, Fw190A-8 are the fastest planes with wep. Of the five plane types, only one plane can be considered both 'fast' and 'maneuverable' (La-5FN).
The P-51B is a versatile fighter, but more limited in ammo load, firepower, and jabo capabilities. The F4U-1 is also a great plane, but it definately isn't a like the La-7 or Yak-9U, which has almost every attribute in the top class. P-47D-11, limitations are almost too clear.. and the Fw190A-8.. can also be simular to the P-47D-11.. heavy plane that needs lot of practice and effort to learn. The only plane that vaguely shadows the 'super planes' of 1944~'45, is the La-5FN... but definately easier to handle than the La-7 or the Yak-9U.
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exactly, you'd be putting "noobs" at even more of a disadvantage.
To apply a reverse logic, then would you suggest that if noobs have better planes, they'd have a fair chance against experts? Seeing many many statements from the experts in the forums ;) it seems they always claim they can shoot down any noob in any plane whatever they fly.
'Noobs' suck in whatever planes they are in anyway. Besides, people who have a lot of perk points which can be thrown around , aren't really that many. As always, the majority is always 'average' or 'underskilled'.
Basically noobs will die against experts anyway whatever they fly in, and the real majority of their combat is against other noobs or average pilots.
ps) also, one other factor that should be considered, is the initially low perk prices. 3 points.. as an average pilot myself, earning 3 points takes a bit of effort in my case.. have to shoot down about 3~4 planes a sortie to get 3 points quick. Generally, people are sensitive about losing points. 3 points, IMO, is enough to regulate 'hoardes', but not too much demanding like the 70 point Tempy or the 200 point 262.
also, people will feel less attracted to a 3 point plane, when compared to 60~200 point perk planes. Besides, if the perks are applied in current condition, in most cases, the icons won't give away the plane type for the 3 point perked planes.. except maybe in the case of the P-38L(no other P-38 variant) or the La-5FN(icon specified as 'La5')
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Don't perk it.
Let people fly what they want to fly.
afool
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Unperk the C-Hog, and Perk the LA-7. :D
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Moot point. In case you hadn't noticed, this isn't a democracy. The decision is entirely HTC's. If and when THEY decide that the La7 is imbalancing the arena then it will get perked, according to their admittedly inscrutable formula for doing so, not before. I wouldn't hold your breath though. ;)
kbman
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I've seen alot more 190's than la7's of late.
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Originally posted by Shane
exactly, you'd be putting "noobs" at even more of a disadvantage.
Correct...
Originally posted by Kweassa
P-47D-11, limitations are almost too clear..
There's not a plane in AH that has "no limitations". I have 91 kills and 27 deaths in this jug. That's over a 3:1 k/d ratio and I can't fly worth a damn, ask anybody. :D You have to apply yourself to learn a new plane aka... alot of practice and experimentation. After doing so you can be 'good' in just about any plane in AH. I think no matter what you fly SA is one the most important things to being successful.
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Don't perk it.
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Why anyone may think of perking la7, when 262 is not perked? I do not undestand it.
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Originally posted by Shane
pay attention and you won't be getting whacked by la7's.
95% of the people who fly them would just move onto something else like a pony or dora and still do the same thing... suck and run.
it's the pilot, not the plane.
Hey, I resemble that remark. I fly the pee51. I may suck, but I never run! (i just extend very far):D
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I don’t see any reason to perk the La-7. I simply don’t find them to be a problem. Yeah, they are fast, reasonably maneuverable and absorb damage well. Sure, they are dangerous if you have poor SA. The fact remains that most of the guys flying it do so because its speed improves survival. There are a few who know how to use it and are very successful. However. Most don’t and aren’t especially successful. I have no problem dealing with them flying the Typhoon, P-47 or F6F, which have been my primary rides his tour.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Unperk the C-Hog, and Perk the LA-7. :D
Hijack.
10 perks is fine... you can earn that back in one sortie if ya lose one. The F4U-1C has been neutered enough with the perking, it's the ENY that bugs me. That needs to be raised a bit.
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Reduce ballistics lethality. Make ACM fun again!
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Just fly a 202 Yeager :)
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its the pilot not the plane
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The weekly " I got shot down by an La7 when I thought I kept enough E to run like a girl" thread
Dont perk it. Its no were near good enought.
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No need to perk it or any of the other rides. Perk system working just fine. Would like to see 152 unperked though.
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Nope La-7 is not that good
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not at all pongo actually couldnt be farther from the truth but if its your nature to attack others in such a fashion hey have at it
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Originally posted by Tequilla
lol i just remembered why i hardly post thanks zipp:D
Hmmm… If a remark about the wholesome goodness that is cheese is reason for not posting I would think this would be even too thin skinned for the new politically correct BBS.
However, my remark on liking or disliking cheese has about as much weight as asking the community to vote on a subject that has been whined about to some length. And after it is all said and done we have no voice in the matter anyway.
Most perk discussions come from not wanting someone else to fly an aircraft you don’t like or "see" too much of. Fly what you want and don’t worry about the other guy.
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thanks again for reminding me:D might I suggest you actually read the post?
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No need to perk it, really. It attracts noobs and people who are never going to develop any skills. Only LA7 I've ever run into that wasn't an easy kill is kbman.. the rest or just fodder.
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No need to perk the LA7. The fuel multiplier does enough to keep it in check.
I think the FM2 should be perked before the LA7. The FM2 is so slow it can't actually kill stuff on its own, so the only people who fly it are no-skill leechers and kill-stealers who weasel in and take the kill once somebody else does all the work. :D
J_A_B
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No perk. LA7 sucks and La7 pilots suck. :D
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Originally posted by Pongo
The weekly " I got shot down by an La7 when I thought I kept enough E to run like a girl" thread
Dont perk it. Its no were near good enought.
Kinda like the "I got shot down by a Chog when I thought I could avoid the snap shot" threads waaay back when? Ahh, memories!
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I say let HTC do whatever they want, and worry bout bigger, more important things, like ...oh, I dunno...are my sock matching, today (assuming you're wearing socks):D
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Originally posted by Tequilla
thanks again for reminding me:D might I suggest you actually read the post?
You are most welcome and I did.
It says, someone shot you down or you saw too many of them or it bothered you in some way that it was being flown against you. To say that this thread is anything other is nonsense.
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Originally posted by Shane
following this logic, the PzIV should be perked as well.
Not yet. There is no alternative to the Panzer.... If there were 60+ other tanks to choose from and it still had 10-15% of usage, then yes.
Terror
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I'd wait to see the %'s before starting to scream about perking this or perking that.
To make an 'intelligent' reply, as opposed to a 'witty' insult- I don't believe the La-7 will be perked. The only reasons that people have come up with that may be a justification for perking a plane are : superior performance, rarity (IRL), or overusage. Which of these criteria HTC uses to perk planes is unknown. We don't even know if it is one of these criteria.
While it is perfectly clear that the La-7 does possess superior performance vis a vis any other nonperked plane, there remains the issue of "Well, there will always be a 'best' plane"- perhaps the La-7 is the 'limit'. If a plane comes out in the future that is better than the La-7 it will be perked, if not it will become a free plane. I suspect that when the Ki-84 is added it will be a free plane. HTC needs a plane (or planes) that are better than the rest, or people simply won't play. That is really what it comes down too. Most people who fly the fast planes aren't very good at traditional 'dogfighting'- which is why they fly the fast planes. Most people that fly the La-7 are even worse pilots, they need the La-7 so they can fight on even terms with the pilots of the Dora's and P-51s. So, in my opinion the La-7 is a crutch, but it is a nescesary one. If the La-7 wasn't in the game, and there wasn't another plane that was clearly superior to the rest, a lot of the people that fly it would simply quit playing- which is bad for HTC.
Overusage isn't an issue, the La-7, P-51, and Spit IX have been holding steady at about 10% usage apiece, the F4U-1C was at ~20% when it was perked.
Rarity in real life isn't an issue as far as I know, the La-7 was a fairly common late-44/early-45 fighter.
What does confuse me is why the Ta-152, F4U-4, and Spit XIV are perked. None of this planes are better than the La-7 in my opinion. None of the action in the MA happens at altitudes above 12k (on the outside, I'd guess 99% is 5k and below), so none of those perk planes will get into their 'comfort zone' where they are superior to the La-7.
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LA7's don't need to be perked. If you pay attention, and don't fly an emil or some other trash, they'll make a few stabs at you and run away. And if you're in something that accelerates well, you might even catch them with their pants down :)
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I think the FM2 should be perked before the LA7. The FM2 is so slow it can't actually kill stuff on its own, so the only people who fly it are no-skill leechers and kill-stealers who weasel in and take the kill once somebody else does all the work. :D
J_A_B
:p I fly the FM2 mildcat a lot. I get more assist by getting hits on a faster plane only to have it run away for someone in a mustang to kill.
afool
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La7's are fine with me...the whole perk thingie is really not needed me thinks....still, HTC runs the show.
As to 51's not fighting.....I know a few that will not only fight you but kill ya as well....Shane, Fester, WldThing, Urchin, Manx and some 13thTAS members as well....and I'm not talkin boom and zoom ya...I'm talkin takin the fight to ya and makin ya work for it.
I've seen guys being timid in spits, yaks, etc, etc. It's not the planes that are the issue, but rather the pilots who fly them.
Long live the La7!
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NO PERK!
But i got an idea to solve this problem..:)
Right now you have to destroy all hangars in order to prevent planes from taking off.Its either 0 or 100% plane types avialable. Disabling 50% of hangars doesnt effect fucntionality of an airfield at all. All types of planes can still take off as nothing happened providing theres no vulchers.
What if destroying certain Fighter/Bomber hangar would disable centrain types of fighters/bombers.
What is mean is if you knock out 2 out of 4 Fighter Hangars then only half of all fighters types would be available at that field.
1 hangar destoyed - disables late war rides like La7, P-51, etc
2 hangars destroyed - disables 1944 109G10,Spit9, etc
etc etc
With smaller fields 1 FH disabled would have proportionaly larger effect on number of planes out of commision.
Something similar to what we already have in action with fuel loadouts, if 50% of fuel tanks destoryed = 50% fuel available.
I dont know what kind of implication this would have on base defence/capture and current situation in MA, but it could help end all these endless perk this perk that discussions. :)
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Its in my nature to know a whine when I read it. Its apperently in your nature to deny your whining.
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sorry pongo learn to read lol
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Its annoying mostly, but they can be dealt with, most of the annoying part comes when some skilless dweeb follows your shot-up ride home with his la7 to vulch you then die to ack 1 sec later.
Maybe perk the 3x20mm loadout and leave the 2x20 free as that cut the spray time by a couple of seconds.
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I dont know what kind of implication this would have on base defence/capture and current situation in MA, but it could help end all these endless perk this perk that discussions.
Nothing ... I repeat ... NOTHING will ever end the endless "perk this perk that" discussion.
DON'T PERK IT !!!
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I used to have MAJOR problems with the La7, until I learnt that if you fight one above 5000 feet, his major advantage speed is reduced dramatically.
The one thing I dont understand is why the Spix 14 is so expensive at 60 Perks. Many thousands fought in Europe with the 109G10 Dora and 109K. As soon as the enemy sees the big SPIT14 icon, everyone wants a piece of you.
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I believe two things:
1. No self-respecting AH pilot flies the La-7 regularly and considers himself "good."
2. Only a small fraction of the pilots who fly the La-7 often ever actually heard of the La-7 before they played Aces High.
So with those two things in mind: perk it - about 5-10 perks. This way, only those actually serious about the plane will really fly it.
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This is a stupid thread. No matter what happens in this thread, the rantings in the MA will continue. If people don't rant about the La-7 in the MA they will rant about something else.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by Noctilux
I believe two things:
1. No self-respecting AH pilot flies the La-7 regularly and considers himself "good."
2. Only a small fraction of the pilots who fly the La-7 often ever actually heard of the La-7 before they played Aces High.
So with those two things in mind: perk it - about 5-10 perks. This way, only those actually serious about the plane will really fly it.
Wrong and wrong !
Tilt is a feked good LA7 pilot very sport and he got all my respect even if he can't stop shooting me down cause each time I meet a LA7 I think "hmmm food" :D and he is a dam good pilot.
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So you start a thread that asks if people want to perk a plane. You are tired of the whining you say. then the first post in the thread is you calling to perk it in caps.
Your whining bud. Although maybe you dont have any trouble with La7s.. But its just a whine. I can read fine. Including between the lines.
Perk the pony instead. Even if everyone had heard of it before they started Aces High. Great handling and speed. Great vis. Great range. great fire power and Jabo. Only issue at all is acceleration.
Perk it.
Hell its more popular then the La7 probably by a long shot in real sortis flown.
Oh ya. Thats your favorite plane and your cool so we cant perk that can we..
whiner.
lol
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Tilt can only manage a 3:1 k/d in the La-7? That's not great. That's mediocre. I do better than this in my slower, less-maneuverable F4U-1D. Try again.
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Originally posted by Noctilux
I believe two things:
1. No self-respecting AH pilot flies the La-7 regularly and considers himself "good."
2. Only a small fraction of the pilots who fly the La-7 often ever actually heard of the La-7 before they played Aces High.
So with those two things in mind: perk it - about 5-10 perks. This way, only those actually serious about the plane will really fly it.
1) How do I sleep at night ... I guess I need to see a shrink ... :rolleyes: ... please
2) Prior to starting in AH about a year ago, I had only known about a handfull of the planes that are offered and I am probably not in the minority in this category. So what's your point ?!?!
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Dont perk it
Park it
Whaaahahahahahahahaohohohohoh hlolololoolweeeeeeeeeeee...
Cough cough
Oh man...Whew that was a good one.
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Originally posted by Birddogg
NO PERK!
But i got an idea to solve this problem..:)
1 hangar destoyed - disables late war rides like La7, P-51, etc
2 hangars destroyed - disables 1944 109G10,Spit9, etc
etc etc
That is an awesome idea
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DONT CARE
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Pongo I can certainly tell you the P-51 is not my preferred ride but then again from your rantings I can see the La-7 is yours.
have a nice day:D
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Originally posted by Terror
Perk the "Big Four". 3 perks each!
P51D
La7
Spit9
N1K2
They have about 33% of the total Air kills....
Terror
None of these planes unfavorably tip the scales on gameplay. With smart, well thought out tactics, these planes are amongst the easiest to shoot down, you just have to know basic BFM/ACM.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Shane
exactly, you'd be putting "noobs" at even more of a disadvantage.
Not to mention pretty much eliminating why the perks are assigned to a plane. The only reason why planes are perked in AH is because of gameplay balance. Those planes that are perked would effect the balance of gameplay if they weren't perked. Neither of the planes that Terror or Kweassa do that and shouldn't be perked.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Noctilux
I believe :
1. No self-respecting AH pilot flies the La-7 regularly and considers himself "good."
i do and i do.
:D
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Originally posted by Noctilux
Tilt can only manage a 3:1 k/d in the La-7? That's not great. That's mediocre. I do better than this in my slower, less-maneuverable F4U-1D. Try again.
noctilux:
Kills / Deaths 2.36735
Kills / Sorties 1.05936
Kills / Hour 4.068
tilt:
Kills / Deaths 2.26667
Kills / Sorties 1.33708
Kills / Hour 5.508
i'd have to say tilt is looking statistically better. more agressive, more effective and k/d is very close.
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Ahh the score page is back up? :D
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The call is entirely up to HTC.. but as long as the community is discussing, I see no reason why we keep limiting ourselves to the current agenda of '20% = unbalance' rule.
Maybe not all of the community supports to the '1943 arena' criteria I suggested... but IMO, lightly perking(max 4 points) the 10 post-'44 rides as I have suggested above, might help evolve the MA into something more interesting and fun.
It is no coincidence that among the 10 planes I suggested perked at 3~4 points, five of them can carry more than 2000lbs of ordnance. Currently, we have quite many interesting bombers and attackers that historically specialized in ground attacks, which are totally neglected in MA conditions because there are free planes flying around that are faster than most other fighters, can drop as much as ordnance as light bombers, and have fighting capabilities at the same time. Why up an A-20 or a Mossie when taking a F4U-1D or a Typhoon, or a P-51D can do the job and have even better survivability?
For one thing, lightly perking the 10 late-war rides might promote the usage of Mosquito, Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8, A-20G and a variety of ground attack specialists - because after the 10 have been perked, they will carry the most ordnance for free, and against non-perked planes, boast a bit higher survivability thanks to their speed.
Maybe there are possibilities of considering perks for the purpose of diversifying the MA, rather than the reason that a certain plane causes a 'nuisance' or a 'balance problem'?
Come to think of it, in the free C-hog days, there were still people wildly objecting to limiting its usage.. the same skeptical responses were there then, too. But after it was regulated through 8 perks, I don't see much people complaining anymore. Of course, the C-hog was claiming 20% of kills then, but basically the core of the skepticism then, is same as now.
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What would you guys think about a mid/late 1943 MA environment? Wouldn't it offer a bit more chance of fun? :confused:
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Originally posted by Rude
La7's are fine with me...the whole perk thingie is really not needed me thinks....still, HTC runs the show.
As to 51's not fighting.....I know a few that will not only fight you but kill ya as well....Shane, Fester, WldThing, Urchin, Manx and some 13thTAS members as well....and I'm not talkin boom and zoom ya...I'm talkin takin the fight to ya and makin ya work for it.
Had the pleasure of running into you and another P-51 the other day and you both made me work really hard to get you both. I never found out who your wingman was but you guys really worked very well together, too bad your wingman extended just a little too far to be able to reverse in time but that was the only mistake either of you guys made in a good fight.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Ahh the score page is back up? :D
it sellls the best bait, along with the occasional scorpion.
;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
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What would you guys think about a mid/late 1943 MA environment? Wouldn't it offer a bit more chance of fun? :confused:
Well that would mean no P-47 since the D11 is an early 44 bird, so that would count me out. But I see where your coming from.
HTC, it's now time for Bob Johnson's D-5, "Lucky"
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Don't perk it. Read all the posts for the most part. I don't see why the Ta152 is perked though, it doesn't roll as well as the 190s, isn't THAT fast, not sure how well it turns. Ammo loadout is decent and potent but then so are the 190s, and it has a heck of an operating radius.
Spit14 I can understand why it's perked after Furball pointed out to me how effective it would be as BnZ fighter plus it can turn fight pretty well. It would be kinda like a new F4U-1C. Still don't see why it's at 60 perks though. 15-20 would be fine IMHO.
F4U-4 is pretty damn fast and accelerates in a dive like nothing I've seen. Other than the speed factor it's just another F4U1-D as far as I know anyways, I could be wrong.
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Looks like the community has decided.
The plane that killed Tequilla the most last tour will not be perked.
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Dont perk La-7
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dont perk it----just subtract 10 knots off its deck speed..make it more realistic--does ANYone think the LA7 was the fastest prop job in ww2?
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Of course not bj229r, everyone knows that it was the P-47!:D
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Do not perk.
Also... remove perk from F4U-1C and TA-152.
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Originally posted by Shane
i'd have to say tilt is looking statistically better. more agressive, more effective and k/d is very close.
Yes, the vast majority of it in ... the La-7! Bravo, well done. This, sir, is not a challenge.
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Don't perk it.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Do not perk.
Also... remove perk from F4U-1C and TA-152.
And raise ENY!
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Originally posted by Noctilux
I believe two things:
1. No self-respecting AH pilot flies the La-7 regularly and considers himself "good."
I know of at least one La-7 pilot that is pretty good, he's really the only one I have troubles with. I'll keep his name out of it, don't want to swell his head even more than it is :D
And as for the notion that a certain plane automatically makes the one flying it good, that's utter nonsense. A plane doesn't know ACM or tactics, it just does what the pilot tells it to.
2. Only a small fraction of the pilots who fly the La-7 often ever actually heard of the La-7 before they played Aces High.
More hogwash. Most of the veteran players are and have been WWII aviation fanatics for years, it's how some of them found games like this.
So with those two things in mind: perk it - about 5-10 perks. This way, only those actually serious about the plane will really fly it.
That's just another whine from someone that has difficulty in fighting against the La-7.
Ack-Ack
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whats a perk ???:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Prior to starting in AH about a year ago, I had only known about a handfull of the planes that are offered and I am probably not in the minority in this category.
...and...
Originally posted by akak
Most of the veteran players are and have been WWII aviation fanatics for years, it's how some of them found games like this.
I think you guys should maybe duel this out in C-47s to see who's right! :p
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Originally posted by Noctilux
Yes, the vast majority of it in ... the La-7! Bravo, well done. This, sir, is not a challenge.
having a 46 Kd in ship gunner is not a challenge either :)
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I enjoy flying the La 7.......
I enjoy fighting La 7's
Historically there may be an arguement for perking the 3 cannon option........ but that is not how the perk system seems to be used......... it does not have an unbalancing effect. (except upon the minds of its repeated victims)
I have the same trouble with niki's
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Tilt I'm sorry to have bring your name here :(
Please accept my apologies.
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Don't perk it.
Leave the 152 perked, or we'll be seeing them all over the place. Maybe lower the perk price a bit, but if for no other reason than the rarity of the plane in RL, it should stay perked IMO.
Perking the Spit14 confuses me, but leave it perked.
Same with the F4U-4.....faster than the others, but that is about all I've seen in it that is "better" than the U-1 and U-1D.
While you're at it, perk the 109G10....climbs as well as the Spit14, comparable top speed, it just won't turn with one (I think....haven't flown the Spit14 that much and have never encountered a 109 when I was flying one).
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I would not perk it (unless other similar planes mentioned earlier were also perked), but I would really like to see its high altitude performance lowered to a more "realistic" level.
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Originally posted by Noctilux
Yes, the vast majority of it in ... the La-7! Bravo, well done. This, sir, is not a challenge.
you're the one who started waving your donut around. i just showed you it's short comings.
:rolleyes:
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Perk La-7, Fw-190D-9, Me-109G-10, P51-D
Yes I mean that.
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Originally posted by BlauK
I would not perk it (unless other similar planes mentioned earlier were also perked), but I would really like to see its high altitude performance lowered to a more "realistic" level.
La-7's high altitude performance is good? I think you need to put down that crack pipe. La-7's performance drops off noticably at 16,000ft and even more so above 20,000ft.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Taiaha
I'm with straffo and BNM: Yawn.
There is no issue here. The LA7 is mostly flown by people who are either a) learning and suck, or b) suck permanently and are trying to pretend they don't. When I first started playing AH I used to think they were "unbeatable" and "uber", but I've been chewing them up regular of late, so don't really give a toss if they are perked or not!
DON'T CARE.
When I'm in an Ostie, you ain't toejam. I'll kill you anyways.
I strictly use the Pony for jabo (rare), BnZ's are for rutabagas.
The Dora sucks almost as bad, I like the A-8, it will chew a town to pieces in a few passes.
Karaya2
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Originally posted by straffo
Tilt I'm sorry to have bring your name here :(
Please accept my apologies.
NP actually I did not notice my name elsewhere untill long after I had posted.........
FWIW I am very medi ocre......... my 3 dimensional visualistion of combat stinks....... 1 in every 3 out of plain manouvers ends up with me totally losing it .......angles wise.......
and I keep doing dumb things....... over and over again..... I have even heard my self saying
"this is a dumb thing .......I shouldn't be doing this" and somewhere else there is this subliminal personna saying "but may this time you'll get lucky" its like jumping off a cliff to see if this time it won't hurt...........
On top of this I am a lousey shot........ Shift will vouch for this...on the odd occasion all else goes right, I've have the bogie banged to rights, squeeze it off and ........... nothing....... how many times Shift has peered over my shoulder and shook his head in disbelief? well more than I care to admit.........
Cos these days he also chides me to fly a "proper" plane
On top of this I still struggle with these foot pedals...... but I will endeavour to persevere because its fun......
I do like the La7........ I like the La5 FN and the Yak but if there is a big red dar bar in the next sector and I am alone then I'll take the 7.
I have had a long affinity with the 7. All the data i have on the 7 was amassed because Kesmai held out the hope of its introduction at one time in AW........ it didnt happen. So when the 7 came here I rejoiced........and still do.
Is the 7 so uber? not really, you can always stay safe in one, you can always stay safe in a pony or even a tiffie. Staying safe is about controlling risk....... you will note from the above that my "subliminal personna" will not permit this.
Does it unbalance game play......not really...... not like 20 tiffies all jabo'd up and clearing a field 20 la 7's could never do this so effectively.
Should it be perked? well I've given my view above.
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Urchin
While it is perfectly clear that the La-7 does possess superior performance vis a vis any other nonperked plane... [/QUOTE]
This is not clear to me at all. The LA-7 has only the best deck speed. Above 7.5K 190D-9, 109G-10, P-51 are faster, above 12K Yak-9U and P-47 are also faster, above 23K Spit IX is faster. 109G-10 can outclimb it at any altitude, 109G-2 above 4K, 109F-4, D-9 and Spit V and IX above 7K, P-51 above 19K and even P-47 above 24K. The 109G-10 has better acceleration above 10K, D-9 has better speed retention above 10K. Fw's and F-4U's have better roll rates at any speed.
The weaknesses of the LA-7 are mediocre armament, limited ammo and bad visibility on your six.
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So why the hell are you not in your "full mediocrity mode" when I'm near ? ;)
Or is it because I've acheived a better mediocrity level ?
I love the "jumping of a cliff" image it's often used by my second personnality :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
...Overusage isn't an issue, the La-7, P-51, and Spit IX have been holding steady at about 10% usage apiece, the F4U-1C was at ~20% when it was perked...
This statistic does indicate overuse to me. If its based on #kills, and if its true that poorer pilots prefer these aircraft, then actual usage (# of sorties) is probably much higher...
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Originally posted by oboe
This statistic does indicate overuse to me. If its based on #kills, and if its true that poorer pilots prefer these aircraft, then actual usage (# of sorties) is probably much higher...
then you're saying the actual useage of c-hogs was WAY higher??
:eek:
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rude.. no. pee 51's and dee 9's are simply annoying... if they fight they die. perhaps one in a thousand does ok when he mixes it up but nothing spectacular... that person would do well in anything tho.
if you fly an La7 you start out with an advantage over at least 90% of the other non perked planes. How much or little you make of that is up to the pilot.
The fact remains tho that the La is a good enough turner and the guns are bad enough and the ammo load is small enough that.... the plane has to or, is tempted to, fight.... no such temptations or restrictions apply to the pee and dee.
lazs
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Originally posted by akak
Had the pleasure of running into you and another P-51 the other day and you both made me work really hard to get you both. I never found out who your wingman was but you guys really worked very well together, too bad your wingman extended just a little too far to be able to reverse in time but that was the only mistake either of you guys made in a good fight.
Ack-Ack
You fought the good fight for sure....you handle that 38 well.
My mistake was that I missed the com from my wingie that you were the threat and not the yak on his six....I tried to squeeze in between you and that yak....you held your E well.
I'll get ya next time....maybe:)
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I don't have any qualms about engaging an La-7. My uber-trusty Yak-9U kicks its bellybutton most of the time. It handles better at low speed and turns better. The only danger is other aircraft that pick you off as you lose E to fight the La-7.
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Now Lazs.....would you really expect a 51 to try and stall fight with an FM2? You are correct in that it's hard to find a 51 or dora that will engage agressively....I can only speak for the few 51 pilots I mentioned earlier....they do not extend to the point of boredom.
It's apples and oranges in my book....to expect the same brand of fight from all planes in the arena is unrealistic....if you prefer the tighter faster more agressive fights, then I don't blame ya a bit.
I've found myself getting irritated at the unwillingness of most to get after it....I fly around beneath them, giving them an alt and energy advantage, only to wait and wait and wait. Out of character for me personally, I'm even whinin about it on ch 1:)
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exactly my point rude.. I don't expect the same fight from all planes. that is why I am happy to see some planes and unhappy to see others. Which of course.... was the whole point.
your point is more like something I saw.... drex was beating up p38's with a ju88... He was using the plane in a manner that it was not meant and mking up for it with a great deal orf skill. Not many could do that. It is not worth talking about in a ju88 discussion.
lazs
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I catch your drift.....I just don't think things will ever change much...remember, this endeavor is about profit.....for that to occur, the mass market, not the individual, must be satisfied.
Looks like we just need to play our own game within the game...get with Jay and we'll hook the squads up for some early war fun:)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The Dora sucks almost as bad, I like the A-8, it will chew a town to pieces in a few passes.
The A8 will chew anything to pieces in a second. Its just as good for chewing up towns as it is for chewing up M-16s and M8s. Its the only 190 I'll fly now. I've never had much luck in a Dora. If I want high speed I'll take a P-51 or a Yak9U.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I don't have any qualms about engaging an La-7. My uber-trusty Yak-9U kicks its bellybutton most of the time. It handles better at low speed and turns better. The only danger is other aircraft that pick you off as you lose E to fight the La-7.
I've been there. I feel your pain. I'll be saddled up on an LA-7 in my Yak just to have a Spitfire come raining down on me and knock me out of the sky.
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Originally posted by hogenbor
Perk La-7, Fw-190D-9, Me-109G-10, P51-D
Yes I mean that.
The G10 is a death trap for me. I don't think I've ever managed to get as many kills in it as I have nose-plants from compression. The only 109s I can fly aggressively are the F and G2 (and sometimes the G6).
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I don't fly the G-10 that much, but map elevator trim to your stick and you'll be able to avoid becoming a crater.
I suck at using the 30mm but that's exactly the reason I sometimes fly it when I want a challenge. As a matter of fact you CAN use it very agressively, the trick is not to turn at low speeds and using the vertical.
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No PERK
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rude... I didn't say to perk any of the current planes only that I don'd want the LA7 perked and that if you had to perk something I would perk the dee9 and pee51 before the La7 since they are more annoying and less fun to be around for me. or....
having pee 51's and dee 9's in the game makes is less fun than having La7's in the game... for me.
lazs
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Originally posted by Rude
...I've found myself getting irritated at the unwillingness of most to get after it....I fly around beneath them, giving them an alt and energy advantage, only to wait and wait and wait...
I agree whole-heartedly with this statement. Lately it is real frikkin hard to get someone to fight ya.
The AH defacto flight profile has become, climb really freakin high over your own base, if you have a huge amount of friends maybe head in direction of enemy base, spot enemy 10k below, make diving HO pass, miss, fly a sector away.
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perk it!
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Mini D just published his "Plane Stats" for the last tour and the numbers surely don't lend itself to perking the La-7 or any of the others that have been mentioned in this thread.
The La-7 barely broke a 1 K/D ... Yes it shoots down alot of planes, but it is also getting shot down alot too. Those that say that it has tremendous survivability due to its uber speed, then explain the K/D for the last tour. If you say the pilots that fly the La-7, suck, then all you so-called "hot-shots" who call for it to be perked, should have no problem shooting down the La-7s so why the constant whine.
Those that call for it to be perked are afraid of it, and/or don't know how to fight it (fighting to the La-7s strengths).
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Its annoying mostly, but they can be dealt with, most of the annoying part comes when some skilless dweeb follows your shot-up ride home with his la7 to vulch you then die to ack 1 sec later.
Maybe perk the 3x20mm loadout and leave the 2x20 free as that cut the spray time by a couple of seconds.
Actually....with the 3 gun loadout you get 150 rpg for a total of 450 rnds. 2 gun loadout has 200 rpg for a total of 400 rnds. While the 3 gun setup does give you 50 more rnds, the firing time is actually shorter.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Mapalm
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Originally posted by Kweassa
In my opinion...
LA-7: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
P-51D: 3 points
190D-9: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
109G-10: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points
Perking these 10 planes would shift the MA into a mid/late 1943 environment.
The F4U-1, P-51B, La-5FN, and the P-47D11 will be the four fastest fighters at low alts at military power, and F4U-1, P-51B, LA-5, Fw190A-8 would be the four fastest on WEP.
There's a much bigger chance to see people using various fighters, which before, have been ignored by a lot of average pilots for the reason that they weren't fast or maneuverable enough against 1944~'45 planes.
The survivability of the P-47s will be vastly enhanced, and since some of the 'super ground attackers' with 2k payload + rockets, have been perked, it would truly live up to its name as a great and fast ground attacking fighter-bomber.
The ol' N1K2 fans will probably just move on to Spit9s anyway. We'll be seeing a bit less N1K2s, but more Spits.. but no special harm done here.
The P-51D fans would shift to the P-51B.. which has a little less ammo load, and weaker jabo capabilities. We'll definately see less whinings about 'cowardly runstangs' who come in at 20k to do a single bomb drop and run straight home after.
The F4U-1 corsair will also start to shine out, but it will of course, be limited in jabo capabilities, compared to the C-hog and the D-hog.
La-7 fans can comfortably ride the La-5FN, since it shares simular characteristics with the La-7, and is still among the fastest non-perked planes .. but the speed difference between other fighters will be a bit less than the La-7: meaning, it'd require some more careful flying, and also, people won't be whining about La-5FNs much.
Also, some planes which only a few people rode just for kicks, might come into real recognition: such as the Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, C.205.. which will be vastly enhanced in survivability and versatility. More variety IMO, can be expected.
Also, some jabo planes which people neglected before, could become very appealing, since the planes that were very fast, and also carried huge bomb loads will be perked. Planes like the Mosquito and the Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8 might be able to get more usage as preferred jabo ride of choice. When the 10 planes are perked, the Mossie and the 110, F-8 can all be considered fast planes...
The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides... and also, it is not a very heavy burden for average/low-skilled pilots, too. Work a bit with other fighters, and they'll achieve 3~10 points easily in a single day. They'll get a chance to ride better planes soon.. and if they are shot down, it's not like losing 200 perks. Just barely enough price to control the numbers in the MA, IMO.
If those 10 fighters are perked, the planes people will use, will be at 310~336mph range at deck speeds, where many many previously neglected planes can be used. The one single problem is the P-38L, which doesn't have an earlier variant..
With my suggested perk setup, I think we can see more variety, less whining, and satisfy the people who want to fly fast monster planes(perks very low for the experts), people who want to fly planes they want without too much of a burden(low perks - not really too much of a burden), and also the people who want some plane numbers regulated(3 perks is not too high, but still needs some work for the vast majority of average/low-skilled players who take up 80% of AH). Also, my suggestion will give some great expert jabo planes(Mossie, 110G-2, Fw190F-8) their role in the MA.. where currently they have no place at all, since almost every USAAF/USN plane can carry loads of rockets+2k load.
ps) also, the survivability of bombers will go up a lot more!
I like this idea, late war planes are perked, but the cost is kept low.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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Originally posted by Elfie
I like this idea, late war planes are perked, but the cost is kept low.
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
Except that the Typhoon IB is most certainly not a late war plane. If anything, it could be classified as an early war plane, entering squadron service in September of 1941!!!
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Elfie
I like this idea, late war planes are perked, but the cost is kept low.
Looks fun, you could change the name of the game then to "Spitfires High!"
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la7 sucks arse its only real strong point is climbing...but since the flyers keep it pretty low 90% of the time perking them is pointless...
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Originally posted by TimRas
This is not clear to me at all. The LA-7 has only the best deck speed. Above 7.5K 190D-9, 109G-10, P-51 are faster, above 12K Yak-9U and P-47 are also faster, above 23K Spit IX is faster. 109G-10 can outclimb it at any altitude, 109G-2 above 4K, 109F-4, D-9 and Spit V and IX above 7K, P-51 above 19K and even P-47 above 24K. The 109G-10 has better acceleration above 10K, D-9 has better speed retention above 10K. Fw's and F-4U's have better roll rates at any speed.
The weaknesses of the LA-7 are mediocre armament, limited ammo and bad visibility on your six.
The reason I state that the La-7 has clearly superior performance is because in the area that the action happens at (i.e. ~5k and down) the La-7 is faster than all planes, out accelerates all planes, and can either out-climb or out-turn any other plane. The last statement may not be that clear (sorry lol), so I'll try to clarify it. Against a P-51 at 5k, the La-7 will not out-turn it. It can turn long enough to get the P-51 slow with the flaps out, then either take the fight vertical (where it does out-perform it), or run (and the P-51 won't catch it). Against a 109-g10 the exact opposite is true- at 5k the La-7 will out-turn a 109G-10, and it can hold its own in the vertical should the 109 choose to take the fight that way, or it can run with impunity, since it out-accelerates the 109. The Dora doesn't have a chance, the La-7 out-everythings it (out-turn, out-climb, out-accellerate (if thats a word), and out-run). Typhoon is in a similar position to the P-51, the Yak is in a similar position to the 109. Any other plane can't force the La-7 to fight even if it wanted to.
Lets say you meet a La-7 at 15k and you are in a P-51. All the La-7 has to do if he gets in a bad position is dive to 5k or so. If the P-51 gets in a bad position... well, it is a lot harder to climb to 25k where your plane holds an advantage, especially when there is an enemy plane 500 yards behind you.
I'm not saying it is a super-plane or anything, it isn't an instant 'I win" button, but it does have superior performance to any non-perked plane in the game. In fact, I'd rate it equal to the Tempest, except it only gets 3 cannon.
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Tequilla, the comunity overuses the La7, like spits or n1k2. The result of a poll about perking any of them is more than clear: NO, dont perk our favorite rides.
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Bah theres only two people who handle the La7 well, Shane and Kbman. The rest are piss easy to take down.
The la7 is not so uber if you know how to handle them. It has poor visibility, poor stability at high AoA with a tendency to snap roll, poor performance over 16k (it starts to drop at 7k), a single fuel tank which bleeds dry in 2 mins when hit, and numerous other weaknesses.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Bah theres only two people who handle the La7 well, Shane and Kbman. The rest are piss easy to take down.
The la7 is not so uber if you know how to handle them. It has poor visibility, poor stability at high AoA with a tendency to snap roll, poor performance over 16k (it starts to drop at 7k), a single fuel tank which bleeds dry in 2 mins when hit, and numerous other weaknesses.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Tequilla, the comunity overuses the La7, like spits or n1k2. The result of a poll about perking any of them is more than clear: NO, dont perk our favorite rides.
Actually some of don't fly them, hate some of them (La-7, P-51D) and still don't think they should be perked.
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Unperk everything.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Except that the Typhoon IB is most certainly not a late war plane. If anything, it could be classified as an early war plane, entering squadron service in September of 1941!!!
My regards,
Widewing
sorry but I disagree we have a 1944 version look at the canopy and the 4 blade airscrew.
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What Urchin said
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Urchin's statements seem right on the mark.
The interesting thing to me about the perk system, which has been mostly ignored, is that it created an "economy" of sorts within the game. Players now "earn" and "spend" points on vehicles which have different "utility" for them, depending on the aircraft's performance and capabilities. The planes themselves could even be considered "commodities", as their price drops when there are fewer players on a side competing for their use.
I'm not an EverQuest player, but I understand its hugely popular and addictive. I've talked to a few players, and it seems to me that the game is kept fresh and interesting for them by the the constant pursuit of that "next" level, where they can get and use better equipment, etc. When an EQ player logs in and starts a brand new character he certainly doesn't start at the top level with immediate access to everything. That fact that players don't get everything right off the bat doesn't seem to drive players away, but rather seems to work to keep them interested in the game.
Just musing, but it doesn't seem difficult at all for HTC to use the perk system to take advantage of this principle...
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vulcan.. kb handles the La7 pretty well. That makes one that I know of but there are doubtless many more who could do very well in it if they wanted to fly it. Most/allmost none of the really good ones don't.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Most/allmost none of the really good ones don't.
lazs
Depends upon the definition of "good" and "almost"
You may like to check the stats for the winner of the December AH competition........
not that it proves any thing other than good pilots in good planes are a very good combination.........
I should imagine that the ability to just go and get endless kills would just get boring.............. fortunately I am not bored this way.
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I don't believe i have ever fought any of the winners of the "competition".... I don't know iff they are good or not. I haven't even seen em fight. I think that they mostly avoid the large fights. I guess "good" would mean all around fighter jocs so no... i don't consider em "good".
lazs
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Originally posted by straffo
sorry but I disagree we have a 1944 version look at the canopy and the 4 blade airscrew.
Well, the bubble type canopy versions began reaching squadrons early in 1943. Performance was unchanged.
Use of the four-bladed propeller corresponded to the production of the Tempest Mk.V and was done primarily for standardization. Performance increase was minimal. I believe climb improved by about 200 fpm at sea level. If someone has performance specs for comparision, that may be helpful.
Generally, the aircraft being flown in 1944 differed very little in performance and capability from the earlier Mk.IB fighters except in details. Indeed, changes were so minimal as to preclude bumping the Mark or even the sub-series letter designation.
My regards,
Widewing
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No Perk IMO .... unless the pony and dora etc. are to be perked at the same time.
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I vote to allow only those on their two week trial to be able to fly LA7.
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I like the perk everything idea. Only the planes that were in service at the beginning of hostilities would be non-perk. I'm not talking the Spanish Civil war here, or the invasion of Poland - let's say when Germany rolled into France for the Euro set and after Pearl Harbor for the Pac set.
I'm constantly flying and dieing in a C-hog but manage to keep enough perks to up another anytime I want.
Anyone know if HTC has voiced an opinion on this idea? If they don't like it, I'd rather not waste my breath :)
As for perking the La-7 only, no perks...
Magoo
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La-7's legs are twice as long as they should be.
-Blogs
Originally posted by J_A_B
No need to perk the LA7. The fuel multiplier does enough to keep it in check.
I think the FM2 should be perked before the LA7. The FM2 is so slow it can't actually kill stuff on its own, so the only people who fly it are no-skill leechers and kill-stealers who weasel in and take the kill once somebody else does all the work. :D
J_A_B
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True enough, and the problem isn't going to be fixed anytime soon :(
Give the LA7 its real historical range, which would amount to something like 18-22 minutes of MIL power in the MA, and they'd be even less of a problem.
J_A_B
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J_A_B, actually u have a zillion of LA7, Spits and n1k2 flying with 50% of fuel and thinking on whatever else returning to base. Just take off, look for a red icon, HO the icon and back to tower over and over.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
J_A_B, actually u have a zillion of LA7, Spits and n1k2 flying with 50% of fuel and thinking on whatever else returning to base. Just take off, look for a red icon, HO the icon and back to tower over and over.
And that is your reason to perk them because they are a popular ride? Popularity doesn't always have a negative effect on game play, as is with the case in AH. Just because 50% of the arena flies Spits, La-7s or the N1K2, doesn't mean they are going to effect the balance of the game.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't believe i have ever fought any of the winners of the "competition".... I don't know iff they are good or not. I haven't even seen em fight. I think that they mostly avoid the large fights. I guess "good" would mean all around fighter jocs so no... i don't consider em "good".
lazs
I finished 13th the 1st month of the rank thingy...I dont think i flew La7 more than 5 times during that month..And i dont avoid large fights, you will see my K/D is poor as well..
There are alot of formidable opponents that have finished 15th and dont think many of you could take them..
IMO..
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what in hell is an La-7?
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they may indeed be formidable but I don't fight em. They either don't fly during prime time or not in the fights I fight. Guess i just have a different idea of "formidable" than some . Being able to pick the plane that is the least aware and still escape is "skill" but it is considered more of an annoyance than "formidable" by me.
lazs
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One question, I dont care if the LA7 is perked or not but why perk the F4U-4? The LA 7 and a handfull of other planes beat it in most categories.
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Because at least 1 US plane has to be perked (for other reasons except uber guns).
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Oh, and according to innominates alltime-stats I never died in one, for me it has the best k/d except gunner and chute.
Though I didn't fly it often enough to make it statistically significant.
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If we lost the la7 then who would cry me to sleep at night?
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I think there will still be some plane that will beat people...
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Originally posted by brendo
The one thing I dont understand is why the Spix 14 is so expensive at 60 Perks. Many thousands fought in Europe with the 109G10 Dora and 109K. As soon as the enemy sees the big SPIT14 icon, everyone wants a piece of you.
Perks costs aren't based on rarity or availability of the plane in real life but rather on game balance. A plane that has been deemed to have a negative effect on game balance it wasn't perked are the ones that have been perked.
Ack-Ack
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Perk it baby.
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remove it :)
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La7 is really not that big of a deal. Want to avoid em? stay high, or put a fast mover together with a turner.Spit 9 and p51 team tatics are DEADLY to la7's.
It does not have the guns, the duration, ord carrying ablity, or performance at altitude to be worth perking.
Plus it has a NASTY slow speed snap stall.
On top of all of these, its NOT the plane, its the pilot.
Get a grip people.
Cool up here in North Dakota this week, flame on dweebs. I can use some heat.
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MY God! Perk the Lala? and the Spitty? NO! next thread will be perk the C205! You'll have to perk my spitty (or c205, p51, f6f, fw, occasional 109, hog, p47, typh) out of my cold, virtually dead hands!
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nope
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Just perk the sheeps that fly em.
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Leave the Lala alone, it's not that bad. Perk the Runstang and run90 for being so fast, and perk the Spit for beeing a UFO.
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I doo see too many of them in the air, but the *** if I understand why... this plane is an absolute POS in my hands :D
Some may argue this is a constant...
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perk it
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don't care.
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I'm going to print this thread and use the paper as toilet tissue.
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don't care.
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Fix the fuel mixture bug and give this plane its correct endurance.
-Blogs
Originally posted by Hap
don't care.
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Originally posted by Hap
don't care.
No matter at all what do you think, I do care (no matter at all what I think). BTW. u dont care about what??
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dont perk la-7. its guns sucks anyway.
if Addink (HT) perks it, i say the perk point of la-7 should be 10 or 15 (equal of that of F-4U1-C)
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Don't perk it!
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I don't fly it..so...Perk it!
:p
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no perks unless u perk the "Runstangs" and "Run09`s".
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First of all perk the spit9. Or basically anything with ENY <= 12.
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PERK!!!
LA-7: 6 points
You can also perk
TYPHOON: 2 points
109G-10: 3 points
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Orignally posted by Shane:
well, yeah, but you're not "experten"
And you are? Or are you just good at things that get you kicked out of the game?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 2stony
And you are? Or are you just good at things that get you kicked out of the game?
i'm terrible at things that get me kicked out of the game. never been kicked out.
i'm capable of flying all the planes in the stable. if you wanna experience that first hand, just ask and i'll be glad to show you.
:D
are you even good enough to be trying to smack at me? leave it to the pros, you're liable to hurt yourself.
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Posted by Shane:
i'm terrible at things that get me kicked out of the game. never been kicked out.
My mistake. I was informed that you've been booted out of AH for "tweaking" your game. You'll have to dispel those rumors before someone starts believing them.
:rolleyes:
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Shanes been kicked out?
Shane you cheater! :D :)
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Originally posted by 2stony
Posted by Shane:
My mistake. I was informed that you've been booted out of AH for "tweaking" your game. You'll have to dispel those rumors before someone starts believing them.
:rolleyes:
I have been flying AH for about a year and a half and fly quite regualrly and read this board everyday. I have never heard this rumor and don't believe it. I have fought Shane at least a half-dozen times and not once did I see anything that would lead me to believe that he "tweaked" the game to gain an advantage on me and get the kill. He just out-flew me.
I believe that if HT every found out that Shane or anyone "tweaked" the game, he/they wouldn't be here to participate in this thread and he/they would be banned from the game FOREVER.
Shane knows how to pull one's "chain", can talk smack, but bottomline is ... he is a very good pilot and does not need to "tweak" this game to effiectively kill the enemy.
Your actions, spreading (or starting) a so called "rumor" such as this, puts the ball in your court, not Shane's, to produce the evidence. If you can't then ... STFU !!!
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Originally posted by 2stony
Posted by Shane:
My mistake. I was informed that you've been booted out of AH for "tweaking" your game. You'll have to dispel those rumors before someone starts believing them.
:rolleyes:
Maybe some should learn how to fly and fight a little better so they don't have to make rumors or spread them. Next time don't be so quick to ASSume, you know the saying.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by 2stony
My mistake. I was informed that you've been booted out of AH for "tweaking" your game. You'll have to dispel those rumors before someone starts believing them.
i think only a totally clueless slobberdonkey would believe them.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shane
i think only a totally clueless slobberdonkey would believe them.
:rolleyes:
Yes Shane, for the first time, I would agree that that adjective does apply.
I don't think anyone does believe it. My point is that if someone is going to make such an accusation, then they better come to the table with a fist full of evidence.
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I don't think anyone does believe it. My point is that if someone is going to make such an accusation, then they better come to the table with a fist full of evidence.
I never did acuse Shane of cheating. I was told by someone else that he had been booted out of the game. Personally, I just don't like his attitude. I remember the first time he shot me down. I got on channel #1 and complimented him on his flying and I got back some snide remark.
It's just like Chuck Yeager. He's probably one of the greastest pilots ever, but his attitude sucks. And believe me, I've seen it first hand.
:)
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Originally posted by 2stony
I never did acuse Shane of cheating. I was told by someone else that he had been booted out of the game. Personally, I just don't like his attitude. I remember the first time he shot me down. I got on channel #1 and complimented him on his flying and I got back some snide remark.
It's just like Chuck Yeager. He's probably one of the greastest pilots ever, but his attitude sucks. And believe me, I've seen it first hand.
:)
Welcome to AH. What you fail to realise is fighter pilots are supposed to talk trash. You have to be aggresive. Dont let what ppl say effect you. Give it back to them. You have to meet fire with fire or, you will just be a moving target.
As for perking the La7.... I only think the 163, and 262 should be perked. Other than that all the other planes should be free. I get a laugh when ppl call other ppl "Dweebs" becuz what they fly. I wonder if pilots in WWII cried that much about the enemy planes? :confused:
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Originally posted by BBBB
...you will just be a moving target.
Spoken with experience I presume or have you finally accepted the fact you're just a target drone yourself?
Ack-Ack
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Be nice Akak :D ;)
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A former La-7
(http://www.leisuregalleries.com/kozhedub.jpg)
Ask Mr. Ivan Kozhedub. He had 64 kills plus he piloted the LA-7.
By Jon Guttman for Aviation History Magazine
Air Marshal Ivan Kozhedub was one of only two Soviet fighter pilots to be awarded the Gold Star of a Hero of the Soviet Union three times during World War II. The other, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, had flown from the German invasion in the summer of 1941 through the end of the war, during which time he scored 59 aerial victories in MiG3s, Bell Airacobras, Lavochkin La-5s and Yakovlev Yak-9Us.
Ironically prevented from fighting because his skill as a pilot made him more useful as an instructor, Kozhedub did not fly his first combat mission until March 26, 1943. On February 19, 1945, he became the only Soviet pilot to shoot down a Messerschmitt Me-262 jet fighter and, on April 19, 1945, he downed two Focke-Wulf Fw-190s to bring his final tally to 62--the top Allied ace of the war.
In contrast to Aleksandr Pokryshkin, Ivan Kozhedub is associated with a single fighter type, the series of radialengine, wooden aircraft designed by Semyen Lavochkin. The last of them, La-7 No. 27, has, like its pilot, survived to graceful retirement-in the airplane's case at the Monino Air Museum.
AH: Could you share with us something of your youth and education?
Kozhedub: I was born on June 8, 1920, in the village of Obrazheyevska, Shostka district of the Sumy region in the Ukraine. I was the youngest of five children in our family. I had a hard time when I was a child and never had enough to eat as a teen-ager. I had to work all the time back then. My only toys were handmade stilts, a rag ball and skis made of barrel planks.
In 1934, I finished a seven-year school. At first, I wanted to go to art school in Leningrad, but realized that I'd hardly get through. For two years, I attended a school for young workers. In 1940, I graduated from the Shostka chemical technical school.
AH: When, then, did you develop an interest in aviation?
Kozhedub: A craving for the skies, which I could not identify as such at the time, was probably born in my heart when I was around 15. It was then that airplanes from a local flying club began to crisscross the sky over the village of Obrazheyevska. Later on, no matter what I might be doing--solving a difficult math problem or playing at ball--I would forget instantly about everything as soon as I heard the rumble of an aircraft motor.
AH: A lot of people are fascinated by aviation, but what caused you to take the big step from enthusiast to participant?
Kozhedub: In the 1930s, the Komsomol (Young Communist League) was a patron of aviation and, naturally enough, we were all crazy about flying. I remember well the words of my school teacher: "Choose the life of an outstanding man as a model, and try to follow his example in everything." For me, a boy of 16, and for thousands of other Soviet teen-agers, the famous pilot Valery Chkalov was such a man. The whole world admired his bold long distance flights in the Tupolev ANT-25, such as his 1936 flight from Moscow to Udd Island, Kamchatka--9,374 kilometers in 56 hours, 20 minutes--or his shorter but more hazardous flight of 8,504 km in 63 hours, 16 minutes from Moscow to Vancouver, Wash., via the North Pole, on June 18-20, 1937. He was also a fearless test pilot, and it was during a test flight that he lost his life on December 15, 1938.
Realizing full well that it would be difficult to attend a technical school and learn to fly at the same time, I still filed an application at the local club. That was in 1938, when the Japanese violated the Soviet frontier near Lake Khasan. That fact strengthened my desire to receive a second profession that would be needed in the event of war.
AH: Can you describe your training? How many flying hours did it take to qualify as a pilot? Was your training typical for a Soviet pilot, civil or military?
Kozhedub: At the beginning of 1940, 1 was admitted to the Chuguyev military aviation school. It was the beginning of a new life for me. At the flying club, we had just been working on the ABCs, whereas at the school, serious training was buttressed by tough military discipline. At our school, to become a pilot you had to fulfill a flying quota of about 100 hours.
AH: What was your perception of the state of Soviet aviation and general military preparedness prior to and in the months following the German invasion?
Kozhedub: Of course, we were young at the time. We believed that our country was absolutely ready to rebuff any aggression. Any fighting on our own territory was considered unthinkable. Everything we read or heard over the radio about the war to the west seemed very remote to us. Needless to say, at that time we did not know that more than 40,000 of the most talented military leaders had been killed by Stalin's purges a few years earlier. We realized what had happened much later. Every report about the retreat of our troops made our hearts bleed.
AH: Did the Soviet Army Air Force (VVS-RKKA) undergo any changes in structure, philosophy or strategy during the war years? If so, what changes did you notice?
Kozhedub: The experience of hostilities in the early months of the war required a change in the tactics and organizational structure of fighter aviation. The famous formula of air-to-air combat was: "Altitude-speed-maneuver-fire." A flight of two fighters became a permanent combat tactical unit in fighter aviation. Correspondingly, a flight of three planes was replaced with a flight of four planes. The formations of squadrons came to include several groups, each of which had its own tactical mission (assault, protection, suppression, air defense, etc.). The massive use of aviation, its increasing influence on the course of combat and operations, required that its efforts be concentrated in those major specialties.
Fighter air corps making up part of air armies were set up for that purpose. Hundreds of fighters took part in crucial tactical and strategic operations. Quite often, air-to-air combat developed into a virtual air battle. The arsenal of combat methods used by Soviet fighter aces came to include vertical maneuvers, multilayered formations and others. Out of the 44,000 aircraft lost by Germany on the Soviet-German front, 90 percent were downed by fighters
AH: Did you request a transfer to the front as a combat flier, or were you given such duty by your commanders?
Kozhedub: I requested a transfer to the front more than once. But the front required well-trained fliers. While training them for future battles, I was also training myself. At the same time, it felt good to hear of their exploits at the front. In late 1942, I was sent to learn to fly a new plane, the Lavochkin LaG-5. After March 1943, I was finally in active service.
AH: What was your first impression of the LaG-5, your first combat aircraft? Did it have any special quirks or idiosyncrasies?
Kozhedub: I got LaG-5 No. 75. Like other aircraft of our regiment, it had the words "Named after Valery Chkalov" inscribed on its fuselage. Those planes were built on donations from Soviet people. But my plane was different. Other fliers had aircraft with three fuel tanks, which were lighter and more maneuverable, whereas my fivetank aircraft was heavier. But for a start its potential was quite enough for me, a budding flier. Later on, I had many occasions to admire the strength and staying power of this plane. It had excellent structural mounting points and an ingenious fire-fighting system, which diverted the exhaust gases into the fuel tanks, and once saved me from what seemed certain death.
AH: Did you know anything of the less-successful predecessor of the LaG-5, the LaGG-3? Did you ever fly that plane and, if so, how did it compare with the later Lavochkins?
Kozhedub: All those planes were one family. So naturally enough, every new generation flew higher and farther. However, I did not fly the LaGG-3 myself. I know this plane was designed by Lavochkin together with his colleagues, Gorbunov and Gudkov, in 1940. It had a water-cooled engine, and like all early models, was not faultless. Its successors, the La-5 and La-7, accumulated combat experience. They had air-cooled engines and were much more reliable.
AH: To what unit were you first assigned? How were you received by the men of the regiment?
Kozhedub: My first appointment was to the 240th Fighter Air Regiment (Istrebitelsky Aviatsy Polk, or IAP), which began combat operations on the first day of the war, on the Leningrad front. Since many graduates of the Chuguyev school served there, I did not feel out of place, not even at the beginning. Our pilot personnel included people of many nationalities. There were Belorussians, Tartars, Georgians, Russians and Ukrainians. We were all like one big family.
AH: What was the typical strength and organization of a Soviet VVS regiment (Polk) or squadron (Eskadril) during World War II?
Kozhedub: Since the war was teaching us its bitter lessons, we had to change tactics as we went along. Thus, considering the experience of the first battles, the Air Force went over from 60-plane regiments, which appeared to be too heavy, to regiments consisting of 30 fighters (three squadrons). Practice showed that this structure was better, both because it made the commander's job easier and because it ensured higher flexibility in repelling attacks.
AH: Your first week of combat was over the Kharkov sector, during the last great Soviet defeat prior to the decisive battle of Kursk. Allegedly, you yourself were badly shot-up during your first combat by German fighters. What was the state of morale among you and your comrades at this time?
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Kozhedub: In my first combat, I did not get a single scratch, but my plane was badly damaged. My commander said, with good reason, "Make haste only when catching fleas." I did not heed his advice. It seemed to me I could down at least two or three enemy planes at one go. Carried away by the attack, I did not notice an umbrella of Messerschmitt Bf-110s approaching me from behind. Of course, that was a bitter experience and a serious lesson for me.
Despite general failures, our morale was quite high. Many, like myself, had their families in Nazi-occupied territory. We were all thirsting for revenge.
AH: What was your impression of the skill and courage of your Luftwaffe opponents at this time--and later? Did you perceive any changes in their skill and élan between 1943 and 1945?
Kozhedub: The sinister colors of the German Messerschmitt Bf-109s and Focke-Wulf Fw-190s with the drawings of cats, aces, arrows and skulls on their sides, were designed to scare Soviet pilots witless. But I didnt pay much attention to them, trying to guess as soon as possible the plans and methods of my enemy, and find weak spots in his tactics. However, I always respected the courage of the German aces. It would have been stupid to underrate the enemy, especially at the start of the war.
After August 1943, the supremacy in the air finally went over to the Soviet pilots and, by the end of the war, we were locking horns with hastily trained youths more and more often. The onetime conceit of invincibility claimed by Göring's aces had gone up in smoke.
AH: How did Soviet and German aircraft compare throughout the war? What type of enemy aircraft did you have a particular respect for?
Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
AH: Describe a typical "day's work" for a Soviet fighter pilot. How many sorties did you normally fly per day?
Kozhedub: The phrase "day's work" does not fit in here, for we had to fly all day long. I myself was surprised at the potential endurance of the human body in an emergency. Three to four sorties a day during an offensive was quite routine. True, one sortie would be very different from the next.
AH: Your first success was over Kursk on July 6, 1943. What were the circumstances of that victory'?
Kozhedub: We were ordered to attack a group of Junkers Ju-87 dive bombers. I chose a "victim" and came in quite close to it. The main thing was to fire in time. Everything happened in a twinkling. It was only on the ground, among my friends, that I recalled the details of this battle. Caution is all-important and you have to turn your head 360 degrees all the time. The victory belonged to those who knew their planes and weapons inside out and had the initiative. On July 7, I downed a second plane and, on July 8, I destroyed another two Bf-109 fighters.
AH: The Battle of Kursk involved thousands of aircraft in a mammoth struggle for tactical control over the battlefield. What role did you and your comrades play toward the Soviet victory?
Kozhedub: In actual fact, I had my true baptism of fire near Kursk. We escorted bombers, fought enemy fighters and neutralized air defense batteries. The battle for Kursk was a landmark in the development of the forms and methods for operational and tactical use of Soviet aviation in the war years. In its first defensive stage, our airmen flew 70,219 sorties. Tactical aviation accounted for 76 percent of the total, long-range aviation for 18 percent, and air defense fighters for six percent. During that period, they destroyed 1,500 enemy planes. Our losses were 1,000 aircraft. During the counteroffensive, our flyers made 90,000 sorties, about 50 percent of which were designed to support attacking troops, and 31 percent to achieve supremacy in the air. The enemy lost up to 2,200 planes in that time.
AH: To what do you attribute your growing success thereafter?
Kozhedub: Young pilots often ask how they can learn to fly a fighter quickly; I came to the conclusion that the main thing is to master the technique of pilotage and firing. If a fighter pilot can control his plane automatically, he can correctly carry out a maneuver, quickly approach an enemy, aim at his plane precisely and destroy him. It is also important to be resourceful in any situation. At the first stage of combat skill, I dreamt of downing an enemy plane--the tactics of an air battle were theory to me. The second stage began with the training at the front before the Battle of Kursk. The fighting near the Kursk bulge was a new stage. The battle for the Dnieper was yet another.
Having become the commander of a squadron, I began to lead groups of planes and direct the actions of pilots during combat. The next stage was called lone-wolf operations. Being deputy commander of the regiment from the 1st Belorussian Front, I flew together with another pilot to the front lines in search of targets. There were many more stages like these. It is never too late to learn.
AH: On May 2, 1944, you received an La-5FN specially dedicated "In the name of Hero of the Soviet Union Lt.Col. N. Koniyev." You allegedly scored eight victories in seven days flying this aircraft. How much of an improvement over the La-5 was that La-5FN?
Kozhedub: It was, practically speaking, a simplified version of the La-5 developed in the same year, 1942. It had a boosted engine with direct fuel injection But it was important to me for different reasons. Vasily Koniyev, a beekeeper from the Bolshevik collective farm (Budarin district, Stalingrad region), bought it with his own money and asked that it be named after the nephew of the famous Marshal Vasily Konev, killed at the beginning of the war. Indeed, this plane was a lucky one for me. Out of the eight Nazi aircraft I destroyed while flying it, five were the much-vaunted Fw-190s.
AH: In July 1944, you were posted to the 1st Belorussian Front as vice commander to the 176th Guards Fighter Regiment, and received La-7 No. 27, in which you would score your final 17 victories. What were your command responsibilities; did they effect your flying habits?
Kozhedub: At first, I was upset by my new appointment but only until I found out that I could fly with aces who went on lone-wolf operations. Day in and day out, we would fly in the morning and analyze our sorties back at the squadrons at noon. At 9 p.m., we used to gather in the canteen, where the commander gave an account of the results of the day. In this regiment, I also began to team up with Dmitry Titarenko.
The 176th Guards Fighter Regiment carried out 9,450 combat missions, of which 4,016 were lone-wolf operations; it conducted 750 air battles, in which 389 enemy aircraft were shot down.
AH: How did the La-7 compare with its La-5-series predecessors?
Kozhedub: The La-7 had top-notch flying characteristics. It was a very obedient plane, which attained a high speed by the standards of those days. I must say that the La-7, the La-9 and Yak-3 were perfect planes. Their characteristics virtually reached the ceiling for piston-engine planes.
AH: For a wooden airplane, La-7 No. 27 must have been a sturdy and reliable airplane to serve you faithfully over 10 months of combat. What was the key to the robustness of these aircraft?
Kozhedub: The Lavochkins were simple, reliable aircraft. I met with their designer, Semyon Lavochkin, and visited plants where they were built. He always listened attentively to all remarks. The margin of safety was so great that, while pursuing the enemy, I exceeded the estimated loads without thinking twice. I was certain that the plane wouldn't let me down. I reached speeds of 700 kilometers per hour (434 mph) and even more on it. The La-7 was an upgraded version of the quite good La-5FN, which had the M-82FN engine. Lavochkin modified the design of the airfoil, changed the locations of the aircooling intakes, and upgraded the design of the central part of the wings.
AH: What were the circumstances of your success over the Me-262?
Kozhedub: On February 19, 1945, 1 was on a lone-wolf operation together with Dmitry Titorenko to the north of Frankfurt. I noticed a plane at an altitude of 350 meters (2,170 feet). It was flying along the Oder at a speed that was marginal for my plane. I made a quick about-face and started pursuing it at full throttle, coming down so as to approach it from under the "belly." My wingman opened fire, and the Me-262 (which was a jet, as I had already realized) began turning left, over to my side, losing speed in the process. That was the end of it. I would never have overtaken it if it had flown in a straight line. The main thing was to attack enemy planes during turns, ascents or descents, and not to lose precious seconds.
AH: What of your last combat, with Lieutenant Titorenko on April 19, 1945?
Kozhedub: On the evening of April 17, we went on a lone-wolf operation over the suburbs of Berlin. All of a sudden we saw a group of 40 Fw-190s with bomb loads, flying at an altitude of 3,500 meters in our direction. We climbed to the left and flew behind them under the cover of clouds. The odds were obviously not in our favor, but we still decided to attack since the enemy aircraft were heading for our troops. At maximum speed, we approached the tail of the formation, out of the sun. I opened fire almost point-blank at the wingman of the last pair of aircraft. The first Fw-190 fell into the suburbs of the city. Several planes turned to the west, while others continued their flight.
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We decided to drive a wedge into the combat formation and break it up. Making a steep dive, we swept past enemy planes. As often happened in such cases, the Nazis thought that there were a lot of us. Confused, they started jettisoning bombs. Then they formed a defensive circle--each fighter covering the tail of the one in front of him--and began to attack us. Titorenko skillfully downed the plane that followed me. At that point, we saw our fighters and we turned for home. But suddenly, we saw yet another Fw-190 with a bomb. Apparently, the pilot had received a warning, for he made a quick dive and jettisoned his bomb over the suburbs of Berlin. But I still reached him on the recovery from his dive. The plane literally burst in the air. We made a good landing but our fuel tanks were completely empty. After that battle, I brought my personal score of downed Nazi planes to a total of 62.
AH: What were the highlights of your career in the VVS after August 18, 1945, when you were awarded your third Gold Star?
Kozhedub: After graduating from the Academy, I occupied several different high posts. But I always considered the training of young pilots my chief responsibility. It gave me a kind of satisfaction that could possibly only compare with one more gold star.
AH: Have you any comment on the present state of the art of Soviet aviation, military or civil?
Kozhedub: The Air Force is equipped with powerful and reliable aircraft, and a new generation of airliners is coming to civil aviation. That is beyond doubt. But still the main role is played by the person who is in charge of this perfect hardware--the pilot.
AH: In retrospect, which did you consider the better Soviet fighter design--the La-5 series or the Yak9 series?
Kozhedub: I always preferred the La-5s and always considered them the best ones. When I was a bit younger, I often went to Monino, about 25 miles northeast of Moscow, where my La-7 is on display at the National Air Museum. I would sit in its cabin, and life would seem more cheerful. For me, it is the time machine that takes me back to my youth, to the formidable '40s.
AH: What do you consider to have been the best fighter airplane--regardless of nationality--of World War II?
Kozhedub: The La-7. I hope you understand why.
[/]bAH: As a flier, if you had a choice of any airplane in the world, old or new, which one would you most like to fly?[/]b
Kozhedub: My choice is the Buran--the Soviet space shuttle. I don't know a better plane. This wonder plane was developed in the last decade, literally before my very eyes. Aviation is said to be the cradle of cosmonautics, and with good reason.
AH: Have you any final comments?
Kozhedub: Yes. I'm glad that perestroika in my country is paving the road to a time when all threatening combat hardware will be stored in the Monino museum.
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Release Ki-84 first.
Then I return to Aces High.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Spoken with experience I presume or have you finally accepted the fact you're just a target drone yourself?
Ack-Ack
What an ass.
I would splash that P38 of yours agin, but then you would just claim "I wasnt even logged on, my cable was down all day"
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In all of this, we must remember and allow for the noobs. Without a constant influx, the game will eventually stagnate. I submit Wb's as an example with it's low lethality, mushy controls,
and lack of ingame vox. The inroads to the game must be kept as straight and simple as possible. Perk the La7 and it only becomes more difficult for Nate Noob.
I say no.
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Release Ki-84 first.
Then I return to Aces High.
did you cancel your account?
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Originally posted by BBBB
What an ass.
I would splash that P38 of yours agin,
Considering that's never happened I don't see how you could do it again.
Ack-Ack
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Perk it, I will still fly it.
Don't perk it, I will still fly it.
Take it out of the game, I will still fly it.
Hehe. Just being silly now.
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dont fly them dont like them
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Considering that's never happened I don't see how you could do it again.
Ack-Ack
Yeah I know it never happend (says you) becuz what was it agin?..... Ohh yeah know I remember. (my cable was down from 7-9pm.....) Lol give me a break. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by BBBB
Yeah I know it never happend (says you) becuz what was it agin?..... Ohh yeah know I remember. (my cable was down from 7-9pm.....) Lol give me a break. :rolleyes:
You also said you had a film, so post it but I know it doesn't exist because it never happened. You're like that Wimp Lee character from that movie Kung Pow, where losing is a win.
Of course we can always go to the DA.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Tequilla
Sigh...... This is getting old in the MA the perk or not to perk the La-7 rantings.
So as a community why dont we all just vote on it?
Just respond with a PERK IT or NO PERK or DONT CARE
No need for anything else and please no flaming diatribes
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I think they should PERK IT
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AKAK :rolleyes:
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LOL
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WHY NOT JUST FREKING PERK EVRYTHING........would not matter to the rooks and nits who get everything free anyway with the new perk mod BS........nuff said
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Originally posted by BBBB
AKAK :rolleyes:
A quick check of stats reveal the following:
Tour 39: BBBB has 0 kills on AKAK, AKAK has 5 kills on BBBB
Tour 38: BBBB has 0 kills on AKAK, AKAK has 1 kill on BBBB
You don't show that you've flown before Tour 38, so I'm assuming you're a newbie which makes me guilty of clubbing baby seals.
Ack-Ack
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Whatever man... Like I said before. I think your complex of having to hear your the man so much, comes from your girl always asking "are you done yet?". Have a nice day. ;)
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If LA-7 is perked, then dont forget to perk...........
109 G10: 10pts, Look at the stats
190 D9: 10pts, Look at the stats
N1k2-J: 10 pts, spray those cannons like fast firing mini guns
P-51D:10 Pts, same performance flight envelope as the La-7 at med alts.
Spitfire Mk. IX: 11 pts, its so easy to fly that a 3 year old can kill a veteran flying a mustang
Yak-9U: 10 pts, same as p-51D above
P-40D-30: 8 pts, its a flying tank and a flying artilery with H.V.A.R.S
P-38L: 8 pts, same as p-47 mentioned above
Typhoon: 12 pts, un-perked version of Tempest
La-7: 10 pts, it's too good to be a non-perked plane
Whats funny is that the Typhoon alsmost have the same (or better) performance as the F4U1-C hog and it is not perked.
F4U-1C (similar to F4U1-D performance)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/f4u1d.html
Typhoon
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/typhoon.html
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Heres how NON-PERKED planes should look like
IJAF/IJN
a6m2
a6m5
D3A
B5N2
Ki-61
Ki-67
I.A.P-V.V.S
La-5 FN
Yak-9T
Il-2 Type 3
USAAF/USN
A-20G
B-17G
B-26B
C-47A
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F6F-5
FM2
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-51B
SBD-5
TBM-3
RAF
Huricane 1/2C/2D
Spitfire MK 1/MK V
Seafire IIC
Landcaster 3
Boston 3
Mosquito
Luftwaffe
109 E-4/F-4/G-2/G-6
190 A-5/A-8/F-8
Ju-87
Ju-88
110 C-4/G-2
Italian Air Force
C.202
C.205
isnt the plane-set in MA balanced if HTC just perked p-51D, 109 G-10, spit9, n1k2-j,La-7,yak-9U, 190 D9, P-47D-30, and P-38;)
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Originally posted by BBBB
Whatever man... Like I said before. I think your complex of having to hear your the man so much, comes from your girl always asking "are you done yet?". Have a nice day. ;)
I just want to know when you've shot me down is all.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Spitfire Mk. IX: 11 pts, its so easy to fly that a 3 year old can kill a veteran flying a mustang
A newbie in any plane will have extreme difficulty in shooting down a veteran in any plane.
isnt the plane-set in MA balanced if HTC just perked p-51D, 109 G-10, spit9, n1k2-j,La-7,yak-9U, 190 D9, P-47D-30, and P-38;)
It's balanced now. There is no reason or valid proof that any of those planes you have mentioned need to be perked. If you have troubles shooting down any plane, it's best to learn some tactics that will make you more competitive instead of trying to limit what others can fly.
Ack-Ack
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Perk the La, perk the spit
Perk the Stang You dweeby twit
Perk the Dora , have a perkin fit
Perk em all, we don`t give a sh%t
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Spitfire Mk. IX: 11 pts, its so easy to fly that a 3 year old can kill a veteran flying a mustang
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A newbie in any plane will have extreme difficulty in shooting down a veteran in any plane.
It's balanced now. There is no reason or valid proof that any of those planes you have mentioned need to be perked. If you have troubles shooting down any plane, it's best to learn some tactics that will make you more competitive instead of trying to limit what others can fly.
Ack-Ack
i was just exagerating about the spit 9 :D