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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on March 12, 2003, 07:28:18 AM
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Zoran Djindjic shot dead outside parliament in Belgrade.
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Did the "Black Hand" have a reunion?
Karaya2
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that sucks......:(
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Perfect time to get all the US troops out of that part of Europe.
BRING 'EM HOME!
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Was the PM of Austrian descent? I hope not, not after what happened last time.
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Nice to see so much has changed for my old neighbors. :(
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Doomed to repeat..or least try like hell to repeat. I see several parrells w/this action and other actions/inactions vie certain nations.
"Peace in our time"
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My condolences to the Serbian people.
Any word on who shot him?
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Doomed to repeat..or least try like hell to repeat. I see several parrells w/this action and other actions/inactions vie certain nations.
"Peace in our time"
Then your knowledge of history must be seriously screwed ip. WW1 started because of too much action if anything, and an unprecendented rush to war, following the assasination of Arch Duke Ferdinand by Serbian assasins.
"Peace in our time" refers to WW2.
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Since Serbia is our neighbor, we (Croatia) are very concerned about situation overthere.
He was most likely shot by an old ex-communist hardliner establishment, backed up by war criminals and organized crime. Like in most parts of the world, politics is sometimes connected to organized crime, but in the Balkans it is a rule.
The same ones who started the war in Croatia and Bosnia (Milosevic and army generals, with grerater Serbia doctrinists) have delivered another blow. Not because they are strong, but because they are cornered.
I must say I have witnessed and partly participated in things which happened here during last 13 years. Bush warmongers are the ones who remind me of Serb nationalists back in 1990.
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yup Hristo we will invade Mexico and cleanse the land of non-Americans.........:rolleyes:
Any old Utashi around? We may need help since we are inexperienced in this sort of thing..........
Wasnt Tito a Croat?
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You should know better than that Hristo. The serbs were drumming up concerns about imaginary problems they faced in their heads and the things we did to them in ww2 especially since germany and the vatican recogined our independeance so quickly. Then of course they whole thing 600 years ago with the turks then the late 1980s miners strikes in kosovo, throw in a power hungry degenerate like slobo to take advantage of these coincidences and it was no problem for him to get a bunch of arrogant serbs all of who have a vast inferiority complex to get riled up and invade us and even get the jna to invade those eurostudmuffin slovenens not to mention getting those bastards in krajina to try to cut us in half and of course everything they did in bosnia.
You know i lived in vinkovci and had family in vukovar, my moms house was shelled and she was nearly decapitated by a mortar round shrapnel chunk. And to have you compare what bush is trying to do in defense of my new country in response to the barbaric zealots who attacked us just over a year ago is simply sickening. I know a bunch of you over there are afriaid and agiainst the war but frankly you have no right to comment. Just remember how much fun it was for you when the UN peacekeepers were preventing us from retaking territory the serbs invaded and occupied and stole from us.
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Histro you and Grun are on the same side of this issue.
This is the only thing Grun and I agree on 100%...
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Bush is protecting US from Saddam ? Is that what you are saying ? He is protecting US in Iraq just as Slobo was protecting Serbia in Knin. Both have one thing in common - they're out for landgrabbing.
You are generalizing way too much. Not every muslim is a terrorist. I know very well what was happening around me in 1990s. I have spent my time at the front as well, 1992-1993. And yet, I know better than blame tho whole Serb population. It was their leadership and criminals who are to blame. Ordinary people are easily mislead - this board is the proof.
Iraq ? You think US troops won't do war crimes ?! Just browse this board. It will give you a clue. Just as here are warmongering idiots, is as there in the field there will be a bastard who will spray his 5.56s in bunch of unarmed civilians. Or lead one of the missiles a little to the side, just for kicks. For 09/11 revenge or just for fun, doesn't matter.
I have witnessed war crimes done by our own soldiers. The liberators and defenders, you know. They were in response to war crimes done by Serbs, but were still war crimes.
It is easy to get out of this sad country and patronize across the Atlantic. We, however, have to deal with ourselves every day. Our soldiers live with PTSP, unemployment is very high among them, suicides not uncommon. Meanwhile, our politicians have gained tremendous profits, guess how - arms smuggling, black market, even human organ market. I've leraned very well not to trust politicians.
You really believe cowboy invested billions of dollars only to liberate poor Iraqis of some tyrant ? Or free whole world of great danger, despite world refusing to recognize the danger ? Oh boy, isn't he a really nice fellow to do all that for nothing.
And just maybe he is out to get land and oil. To increase profits for US companies which will enter Iraq once it is all over. He wants the natural resources. Popularity increase because he won the war on terrorism. It is the vote that counts. And a fat account.
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Hristo the US army isnt like what you guys have over there, no way. They wont take it as personally, the iraqis didnt burn their homes, the iraqis didnt kill their mothers. It is not a civil war.
I cannot make any excuses for the war profiteers, you know better then than me every time a v12 S class mercedes shows up that was a huge problem.
This war is not about oil. If we wanted to get saddams oil then it would be a simple matter of dropping the sanctions and letthing him sell it to us at the world market price. Saddam wants to do this very much.
We dont need to take saddam's land, its not land grab. Why do we need it?
What we are worried about and justly so is the potential of Saddam to risk using WMD as blackmail or funnel it to terrorists.
I'm not patronizing anyone from accross the ocean, i know how bad the economy is bad over there and how little work there is and i know how much suffering people went through - true my dad brought us out just before thye war but that doesnt mean i disrespect the suffering of those who could not get out many of may family were injured and some of my uncles were last seen wounded in vukvar hospital - both of us know what happend to them.
I never ever on this BBS said every muslim is a terrorist, where did you get that opinion. I grew up around muslim kids when they would vistit with us in dalmatia in the summers at my dad's house - in fact one of them was my best friend and lived right next door in the summers. So no I dont think he is a terrorist.
The problem with saddam is that he wants theese weapons. If he did not want them hed simply drop his programs very clearly and sanctions would be lifted - to him the desire for WMD is greater than normal relations with the world community - that in itself is frightening enough and espically to americans in light of 911.
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Serbias president is a chick ....and good looking too. ;)
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Grun, I don't accuse you personally for anything. All I am trying is to signal caution before trusting reasons presented to you by a politician.
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I know that hristo, however I think that after september 11 its very clear to many americans that things have changed and that we cannot just sit back and hope the oceans protect us.
I think europeans are also weary of bush precisely because he is so honest and straight forward and direct with his intentions. They got used to 8 years of a very crafty slick politician and his group who they liked becouse they were inderect and indecisive like much of europe is. They hate bush and rumsfeld because they have clear purpose and dedication - something that clinton never had in foreign policy even tjhough he did av great job in domestic politics. Basically european politicans are pissed that america doing its own thing whether they like it or not, they want to feel important even thopugh they really arent because they depend on US strenghth so much.
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So far Bush' purpose and dedication didn't convince me. If he was all honest and straight forward, he'd never make it to the high politics. I think he's a madman (my personal opinion). Some of Eurofarts arguments don't hold water either, they'd be doing the same if they could.
Don't idolize Bush too much, it may come back to bite you.
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I dont idolize him in any way but I do agree that he is making the correct difficult choices that need to be made and taking the actions that need to taken at this time. He is acrificing a lot politically and economically but he is doing the right thing. You see thays what bugs the eurostudmuffins so much, they dont understand decisive action. They didnt understabnd it when thatcher went to the falklands. They didnt understand it whe reagan challenged the soviets like he did in the 1980s. They didnt understand it when churchill was acting up about hitler in late 1930s. European culture is just too overly analytical and wound up - this is perfectl underatandible beacuse europe has had no rsponsibities on the world stage since ww2 - america has taken care of them while they rebuilt their rich ecomies in aftermath of another splendid sucess of euro talk ploilitcs ww2.