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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on March 12, 2003, 08:27:53 AM
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What are these folks thinking? Do they believe we shouldn't have a military or that they are above serving? Maybe some of you Californians have some insight?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80834,00.html
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What they are doing is not beneath the law:
An amendment to the Elementary and Secondary Education Act requires public high schools to give military recruiters the names and phone numbers of juniors and seniors — unless their parents say no. If school officials don’t provide the information, they risk losing millions of federal dollars.
But the San Francisco and Los Angeles school districts are engaged in an active campaign to let parents know they have the right to decline.
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I knew it wasn't illegal. I'm just wondering why they are "engaged in an active campaign."
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I'm just wondering why they are "engaged in an active campaign."
"But the San Francisco and Los Angeles school districts are engaged in an active campaign...."
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Originally posted by AKIron
I knew it wasn't illegal. I'm just wondering why they are "engaged in an active campaign."
(Shrugs) They're anti-war at any cost..even if war was about to waged against them, they'd still be anti-war, thats why there are others in this country with common sense that will protect them at all costs. NO one likes war, but there are those that know that War is inevitable if you want enjoy your liberty.
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Well, can we put a fence around 'em like a zoo, for their own protection of course.
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This just shows they are lost in the 60s, jeez, I hate that damn City, it is by far the most overated place on earth.
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mayby the partriot act will let you strip their citizenship and then you can make them wear stars.
bite it, they have the right you are now whining.
aint it great
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They (the guys) still have to register with selective service when they turn 18. Have to write down your name and address (pretty sure, else I couldn't have gotten my notification of receipt card)...
And not registering with selective service is illegal, so what are the parents going to do about that?
-SW
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
mayby the partriot act will let you strip their citizenship and then you can make them wear stars.
bite it, they have the right you are now whining.
aint it great
Tell me what rights you lost under the patriot act ldf.
I was joking about the fence in case it was too subtle for ya.
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I don't see any problem with the parents being given information on how to prevent their kids personal info from being given to ANY type of employment recruiter.
The fact that the school districts have decided to make the parents aware of their legal rights should be commended IMO.
As for the exclusion of recruiters from schools, if they excluded all business it might be palitable but it wouldn't serve the kids properly since they wouldn't be given the opportunity to gather info on carreers that they may not have persued on their own.
So, it comes down to a few simple but emotional principles...
Do you want the gvmt to have access to your kids personal info w/o restrictions at all, or
Do you want the parents to be able to say who gets personal info on their kids.
Big intrusive government
or
A parents right to choose
These are two basic differences that BOTH sides have fought for or against when the other party is trying to force one or the other on them.
BTW, I jioned the ARMY after visiting a recruiter at the JC I was attending, before the draft.
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I think I can speak for more than a few here... There are in fact certain types "we'd" consider unwelcome in the military in the first place. Young'uns raised by parents who hate the military... oh sure we REALLY want THEM joining the ranks. Not that they couldn't hack it or even be assets... more of the old "Follow and ugly kid home and you'll find ugly parents" kind of thing.
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I'm starting a porn film company. I need 18 year old girls and seeing as its all voluntary and we fearture american flag in EVERY movie ( we're so patriotic ), I hereby request to be send name, phone and picture of every female turning 18 from your local highschool !!!
Seriously now...
Last i checked almost all profesions in US as volutanry, why are the other businesses discriminated against and not provide same info so that they can compete ?
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Originally posted by fd ski
Seriously now...
Last i checked almost all profesions in US as volutanry, why are the other businesses discriminated against and not provide same info so that they can compete ?
I'm sure you realize the difference between a voluntary armed force and a business, right? We will have a military whether it's voluntary or not. You would like to keep it voluntary, right?
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actually i think everyone should go for a year or two.
I did my 4 and looking at my class mates in university i feel most of them would benefit from couple of years in the "University of Life" :)
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I agree fd ski, two years wouldn't hurt anyone but would do many a great deal of good.
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yup. 'service to the country' is a good thing. it dosent need to be the military. theres many ways to serve the nation.
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well it might do alot some good but it hurts more.
its a killing machine. with expendable parts.
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the recruiters are just as bad as telemarket's. are they not passing a law against those guys? every \night at dinner my senoir year some love muffin military recruiter trying to make his quota bothered me. they are no better then someone trying to sell me long distance.
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Simple solution... lower the federal taxes and stop federal subsidy. If the states want to increase tax to make up the difference, let it be their choice.
Yes... the answer is less government.
See, I told you I wasn't a democrat. :)
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They've called here a few times, before my youngest joined the reserves, no biggie, wasn't irritating to me. I understand the need to have a defense for our rights, especially that right to free speech so many here are so fond of claiming.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Simple solution... lower the federal taxes and stop federal subsidy. If the states want to increase tax to make up the difference, let it be their choice.
Yes... the answer is less government.
See, I told you I wasn't a democrat. :)
Dunno about democrat but they'll definitely have your liberal card for that. ;)
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When I was in high school back in 1974, I had a draft card, soon as I turned 18. It was a normal thing, it was the law, and every male my age had one.
I wasn't one of the draft card burners. Most of the guys my age kept ours, and would have served if called. Fortunately for me, the Vietnam War ended at that time, and I didn't have to go. My friend Dave joined the Army in 1975 for Ranger training. He said, if he was going to fight in war, he wanted to be able to survive. He volunteered to carry a rock 24 hours a day for six weeks. He carried that rock everywhere he went...in the shower, to bed, to chow, in his Alice gear on hikes. It weighed 20 pounds.
When he became a Ranger, he graduated second in a class of about 300.
We have drank whisky and beer together many times. Dave is one of my best friends...since 1983. He used to tell me about his Ranger training, he specialized in maps. Hunting in the woods with Dave, you wouldn't have to worry about getting lost, even going to the stand in the dark.
Dave trained in Panama and told me about an 18' Bushmaster snake that he walked under...it was directly in the path at night, hanging over a branch, and hissing loudly. He broke the rules and shined a flashlight at it and saw it. Six feet up, six feet over, and six feet down. He didn't see the head, but he figured it would be about the size of a small dog's head. I think that almost freaked him out. He also said he thought he heard a panther walking through the woods directly toward where he was on lookout. He said only two things in the woods sound like a man walking (besides a man)...one of them is a panther. Can't remember what the other one is (armadillo?).
Dave made over 80 parachute jumps, about 40 of them at night. He broke his back one time when his chute didn't open properly, and got tangled up in another man's chute.
He went on training missions in Alaska, wearing white camo and dropped off by helicopter.
He was in a foxhole on a training exercise, with a Vulcan cannon mounted on a truck about 20 feet away...he says he has trouble even today with his hearing. He said that was the absolute worst pain he ever experienced, as it went on for a very long time, and there was no way to get away from it.
One day his commanding officer said he had to let him go. He was too badly injured to carry on, due to the broken back and broken legs from other jumps.
Salute to Dave and all who serve our country!
Les
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I found it odd that even though I was a cadet at the AF Academy, I still had to fill out the selective service card when I turned 18. But I filled it out, no big deal. The funny part was when I would go home on leave around Christmas and some Navy recruiter would call trying to convince me to enlist. They really don't know what to say when they get to the end of their schpeil and you say, "Gee, I'd love to, but I'm currrently a cadet in the Air Force Academy." I think the only response I ever got was just, "Oh."