Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on March 12, 2003, 02:22:56 PM
-
The Web site you are attempting to visit has been restrained. (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/1811155)
The above is what people see when they go to a website that John Ashcroft (R-Insane) has raided and had removed from the Internet.
Last time, it was the bong sites.
What's next on Nazicrofts list?
How long before they shut down "traitorous" web sites that
don't worship Chimpy and his family's global power grab?
(http://www.bartcop.com/ashcroft4[1].gif)
We're watching you boy! Ya'll better toe the line or I'll send my Brothers in White Sheets to get you!
-
You guys have to admit he's getting funnier with each post :)
-
Originally posted by weazel
[BWhats's next on Nazicrofts list?
How long before they shut down "traitorous" web sites that
don't worship Chimpy and his family's global power grab?
This is next (http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles2/Landes_M15-March.htm)
:D :D :D
Animal, Better entertainment than Jerry Springer.
-
As pathetic as ever.
-
I don't agree with weazle's politics, being on the libertarian end of th e spectrum, but ashcroft in a zealot.
If some of the crap he is doing doesn't frighten you, then I don't think you are paying enough attention.
F.
-
Originally posted by Furious
I don't agree with weazle's politics, being on the libertarian end of th e spectrum, but ashcroft in a zealot.
If some of the crap he is doing doesn't frighten you, then I don't think you are paying enough attention.
F.
If some of the crap he is doing DOES frighten you, you are PARANOID
-
What's wrong with shutting down a store which sells illegal items?
-
Originally posted by funkedup
What's wrong with shutting down a store which sells illegal items?
I always thought that selling bongs, pipes and that kind of stuff was legal.
You can see all of that in stores in malls around here, LA, Seattle, NY, and some other places Ive been to.
-
I'm pretty sure bongs and what not ARE legal... I don't believe they are classified as paraphenalia until they show signs of usage.
I know for a fact there use to be one of those shops in DC below a tattoo parlor, and I know for a fact Baltimore has several of them.
-SW
-
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
-
put a moustache on him and he kinda looks like the picture of Big Brother from 1984... ;)
according to the article, the paraphernalia was illegal. (or should that be "were illegal")
The wares peddled by these Web sites -- as well as by neighborhood head shops -- are illegal.
-
I don't think that stuff should be illegal, but it is illegal. The AG doesn't make laws, he enforces them. I don't see how you can fault them for shutting down the stores and using the stores' records to investigate buyers. Do you want them to enforce the law of the land or not?
-
OK, I'm a webidiot. But is it possible that these sites could be located outside the US?
Also, should we have a reasonable expectation of privacy when we surf the web?
-
Learn to love Big Brother.
-
JESUS!
First they shut down child pornorgraphy sites!!
And now drug pedelling sites!!!
Whats next!?!? Baby food distributers!?!
Obviously the Nazis are secretly running the country.
-
...and here all you computer guys thought Windows XP's security holes was Bill Gates' doing...
-SW
ps: Saur-> paraphenalia pedelling... not drugs.
-
Originally posted by funkedup
I don't think that stuff should be illegal, but it is illegal. The AG doesn't make laws, he enforces them. I don't see how you can fault them for shutting down the stores and using the stores' records to investigate buyers. Do you want them to enforce the law of the land or not?
In this case, it's not the why, it's the how. Our personal privacy is being eroded. You may not care, I do.
...and as an aside, we in the U.S. have lots of stupid laws. Felatio is illegal in some states. Do you think it would be alright to give law enforcement agents the ability to monitor couples during sex to see if this law is being broken?
F.
-
Originally posted by Furious
... Felatio is illegal in some states. Do you think it would be alright to give law enforcement agents the ability to monitor couples during sex to see if this law is being broken?
F.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
-
Originally posted by Furious
...and as an aside, we in the U.S. have lots of stupid laws. Felatio is illegal in some states. Do you think it would be alright to give law enforcement agents the ability to monitor couples during sex to see if this law is being broken?
F.
That has no relation to the situation we are discussing. What we are discussing is the DEA shutting down online stores which were selling illegal items. It's got nothing to do with fellatio or privacy or monitoring.
-
The real problem here is not whether the AG is allowed to investigate buyers. The problem is his ability to investigate LOOKERS! He just made it dangerous to look at a site selling illegal stuff. All you have to do is click on this link http://www.headshopstuff.com and you are on a list at the Justice Department. Now that you are on a list, it will be easier to get a search warrant for something unrelated.... bad Ashcroft... bad!
-
That link is broken. It must be a trick so they can get me to click on it more. They are coming for me, I know it.
-
lol... thats cause I made it up :)
-
Originally posted by funkedup
That has no relation to the situation we are discussing. What we are discussing is the DEA shutting down online stores which were selling illegal items. It's got nothing to do with fellatio or privacy or monitoring.
Did you miss where I said, "as an aside.."?
Did you read the damn article? The sites were not just shut down, which I have nothing against as selling something is not a first amendment right, but the browser was redirected to a DEA server.
How does that have "nothing to do with privacy or monitoring"?
Viewing web pages of bongs for sale is no reason for the government to track you. Viewing bongs is not illegal.
F.
-
lol... thats cause I made it up
I figured as much.
The problem is his ability to investigate LOOKERS! He just made it dangerous to look at a site selling illegal stuff. All you have to do is click on this link http://www.headshopstuff.com and you are on a list at the Justice Department.
If somebody can demonstrate that they are investigating lookers then I would have a problem with it. The fact that they are clearly labeling the sites as being busted makes me think they probably aren't doing that.
Even if they are recording all the hits on those sites, what are they going to do with them? It's just a bunch of IPs. In most cases you can't trace them to a person.
-
Furious:
URL Redirect does not equal Tracking
Viewing web pages of bongs for sale is no reason for the government to track you. Viewing bongs is not illegal.
First off, there's no bongs on the pages, because they have been replaced by the American flag thingie. Second, why would they track you if you were just looking at bongs? Third, even if they wanted to track you, how could they do it? AFAIK your browser doesn't tell them your name and address and SSID.
-
Don't worry Weazel! You can still get to sites like this, which give the chemical recipies for all the favorite drugs that can be manufactured with the right chemicals and equipment - if you have a little chemistry knowledge...
The Hive (https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/forums.pl)
This site is potentially more harmful than the paraphenalia sites. Yet our constitution protects it.
Since Clinton allowed this site to have existence, people can now make their own PCP or Meth right at home!
-
Funked, I thought you were a computer guy?
Where there is a will, there *IS* a way. ISPs log IPs, some even use static IPs. ISPs have also, in the past, been cooperative with the feds.
Besides, they are logging those IPs for something... and it ain't for a print out to be used as (as Hangtime puts it) hugahunk.
I'm uncomfortable knowing that the feds track my movement as is... the internet is supposed to be free domain, AFAIK you can't pass federal laws on something that's international.
-SW
-
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Obviously the Nazis are secretly running the country.
(http://www.bartcop.com/ash-near.gif)
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
I find it hard to believe that Americans are giving the current regime carte-blanche in matters of personal liberty....and apparently could care less.
-
Wahhhhzel, Ya, The U.S. is sooooo much like nazi Germany was. I bet we will try to take over all of Europe next.
Carte-blanche? Most Americans support war in Iraq... pull your head out of the dark hole it is in and pay attention.
-
I'm watching you funny boy! (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/03/10/MN14634.DTL)
-
.
-
Someone once asked their elderly German mother what was the first sign that she saw as the beginning of the Nazi takeover in the mid 30's.
I'll paraphrase her answer...
"The first thing I remember was that as our rights were slowly being taken away the population seemed to agree with the reasons why without question. Suddenly people found themselves spying on eachother and reporting to the authorities their finding of the most trivial of infractions".
Now, don't go saying I'm equating our present situation with that of Nazi Germany, I'm not, but parallels can be drawn to the basic effects of an increasingly intrusive government.
The reason I brought this up is that we should always question the why's and what for of any government intrusion into our daily lifes whether it be the legality of selling plastic formed into something that can be used for an illegal purpose or the surfing and posting of information onto the web or anything that seems irregular and intrusive.
The days of "If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" are long gone. We are living in a country where our personal freedoms are slowly being taken away, unfortunatley, some people will take it lying down...that is where the real danger lies IMO.
-
wouldn't gun control and confiscation be more accurately be a sign of nazi like behavior than anything ashcroft is doing? I mean... the relationship is direct.
lazs
-
No one likes the idea of "big brother" but let's not fly too far into the land of paranoia. Concerning the Patriot Act:
Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said Bryant was merely pointing out that patrons voluntarily turn over information to libraries and bookstores and shouldn't be surprised if others learn about it. Corallo also said the provisions pose no threat to ordinary Americans, only to would-be terrorists.
Before demanding records from a library or bookstore under the Patriot Act, he said, "one has to convince a judge that the person for whom you're seeking a warrant is a spy or a member of a terrorist organization. The idea that any American citizen can have their records checked by the FBI, that's not true."
-
Since Clinton allowed this site to have existence, people can now make their own PCP or Meth right at home!
re: the Hive....
Please enlighten us on how Clinton allowed this site to exist... please please please!!!
-
Originally posted by AKIron
...Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said Bryant was merely pointing out that patrons voluntarily turn over information to libraries and bookstores and shouldn't be surprised if others learn about it.
This statement is pure roadkill. Of course we give this information freely. We do so because that information is supposed to be protected.
Corallo also said the provisions pose no threat to ordinary Americans, only to would-be terrorists.[/B]
Any lose of privacy is a threat.
Before demanding records from a library or bookstore under the Patriot Act, he said, "one has to convince a judge that the person for whom you're seeking a warrant is a spy or a member of a terrorist organization. The idea that any American citizen can have their records checked by the FBI, that's not true." [/B]
You really should read the relevant passages of the USAPA. The above statement is false.
F.
-
Originally posted by lazs2
wouldn't gun control and confiscation be more accurately be a sign of nazi like behavior than anything ashcroft is doing? I mean... the relationship is direct.
lazs
Gun ownership, right to avoid illegal search, freedom of speech or assembly or religion...... same thing. The loss of any of these would be a travesty and a slap in the face of our founding fathers.
Thank goodness there is an ACLU.
-
The only way the Government will ever get my bong is when they pry it from my cold, stoned fingers.
-
You dont have half a clue weazel. It hasnt even started yet and your harping about your lost rights and invaded privacy.
Just wait till the toejam really hits the fan. Then again, once the dogs are out your rights wont matter worth a toejam anyway.
Cheerio :)