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Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Grendel on March 14, 2003, 03:08:35 AM: I'm preparing a demonstration about flight simulators and would like to
begin it with a short introduction through the old flight simulators of the
80s.Especially some of the very early ones - the 2 player dogifght game on
Spectrum, Spitfire Ace, Hellcat Ace and such. 8 bit and upwards.

But I need good screenshots. Or good as you could get from those screens :)

I'd be very glad to receive screenshots directly or pointers to such antique
products.

The demonstration will take place next week in the Finnish Aviation Museum
and there will be quite a crowd watching it, so I'd like to have a quick
"walk" from the early products to the latest ones.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Jukka Kauppinen
Finnish Virtual Pilots Association
http://www.virtualpilots.fi

VLeLv Icebreakers
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: gofaster on March 14, 2003, 08:36:11 AM: I can go as far back as "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat", "F117: Nighthawk", and "Air Warrior 1.5", but I'll have to reinstall the software and right now my DVD drive is broken. I have a new drive, but I won't be able to get around to installing it until Sunday night.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 14, 2003, 10:14:15 AM: Time to dig my C64 out of the attic.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: AcId on March 14, 2003, 10:27:23 AM: Atari 2600
Combat
(not really a flight "Sim" but it was good fun)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Gloves on March 14, 2003, 10:39:05 AM: Grendel,

If you do a search on the internet for Red Baron by Sierra, you might find a whole flight sim program to download, not just the screenshots.

Glove
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: fffreeze220 on March 14, 2003, 10:48:10 AM: Quote
Originally posted by AcId
Atari 2600
Combat
(not really a flight "Sim" but it was good fun)

The yelow plane is porked i am sure. It cant outturn red. No chance.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: WldThing on March 14, 2003, 10:51:06 AM: Quote
Originally posted by fffreeze220
The yelow plane is porked i am sure. It cant outturn red. No chance.

Nah the yellow plane has the BnZ advantage.. :)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: DrDea on March 14, 2003, 11:25:36 AM: Birth of the alt monkey
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: zarkov on March 14, 2003, 11:29:55 AM: You can probably also find Aces of the Pacific and Aces over Europe for download as well.

I had Their Finest Hour, SWOTL, Aces of the Pacific, Aces over Europe and the original Red Baron on my laptop - I'll try and see if I can get a screen shot from any of those sims.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Zanth on March 14, 2003, 11:37:26 AM: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/gameId,615/

(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/946081511-00.gif)

http://www.back2roots.org/Pics/Game-Pics/F/
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 14, 2003, 12:30:37 PM: On C64, I used to have Ace of Aces (a WW2 combat sim) and Flight Simulator. I think I will download the C64 emulator. My old 5" disks are most likely melted by now.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 14, 2003, 01:00:42 PM: Commodore 64

Ace of Aces:
Couldnt remember how to start the actual game..
(http://webpages.charter.net/anuthruhoh/c64aceoaces.jpg)

C64 Flight Simulator 2
(http://webpages.charter.net/anuthruhoh/c64flightsim2.jpg)

Super Huey II
(http://webpages.charter.net/anuthruhoh/c64superhuey.jpg)

I also remember playing Echelon.. but that was more of a futuristic hovership simulator program where you fly around and collect artifacts.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Midnight on March 14, 2003, 01:01:31 PM: go to http://www.oldgames.nu

You can get plenty of old sims there. I just got LHX again. Man that one was fun!
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: MANDOBLE on March 14, 2003, 01:06:19 PM: First FALCON, F16 Fighting Falcon 1984 (MSX1)

(http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/F16.JPG)

F15 Strike Eagle (by Sid Meiers) (MSX1)

(http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/F15SE.JPG)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 14, 2003, 01:09:04 PM: b24 combat simulator. looks like a pretty complex game.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 14, 2003, 01:10:42 PM: anybody has screenshots form the original AW, the one from 1987?
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Sancho on March 14, 2003, 01:13:42 PM: my favorite growing up, flown with an Atari 2600 joystick on a C64. :)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: 715 on March 14, 2003, 01:26:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by udet
anybody has screenshots form the original AW, the one from 1987?

Unfortunately I just threw my old Amiga 1000 with AW 1.0 on it into the trash a few months ago. I did boot it up one last time and ran AW: man were the graphics lame. Almost flat featureless plain with a few pyramidal mountains. Planes had no more than about 16 polygons with no color or texture- just gray. It's amazing that I would pay hundreds of dollars a month to play that ;)

715 (plane 715 of AW 1.0 on GEnie)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on March 14, 2003, 02:03:43 PM: Great :)

Gunship flew it alot
what a fun to see the old screenies
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: zarkov on March 14, 2003, 02:16:34 PM: (http://www.migman.com/pics/simhis/AirWarriorPD.gif)

I believe this is a screenie from the 1987 AW.

It was the only one I could dig up.
Title: Stunt Island by Disney Studios
Post by: RedDg on March 14, 2003, 03:41:56 PM: How many remember Stunt Island? This was an absolute gem where you could make your own movies.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 14, 2003, 03:48:41 PM: Top Gun for the NES...

(http://yannick.fleurit.free.fr/Chroniques/Shoot'em%20up/NES%20-%20Top%20Gun-01.jpg)
(http://yannick.fleurit.free.fr/Game%20Design/Shoot'em%20Up/D%E9roulement/Top%20Gun.jpg)

I hated that game.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 14, 2003, 03:54:23 PM: Neeeeeeerrrrrrooooooooowwwwww mwmmmmmmmmm.....

(http://webpages.charter.net/anuthruhoh/barnstorming.jpg)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: GunnerCAF on March 14, 2003, 09:22:27 PM: Here is my first flight sim for the C64. It was called IFR, no windows.

Gunner
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Sox62 on March 14, 2003, 11:58:29 PM: It's not a flight sim,but here is a screenshot of one of my favorite early football games. :cool:
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Mini D on March 15, 2003, 12:03:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by AcId
Atari 2600
Combat
(not really a flight "Sim" but it was good fun)
I had that one.

First pc game I remember was blue max and red baron. Strike Eagle and then Falcon.

MiniD
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Arlo on March 15, 2003, 12:45:04 AM: Intellivision's B-17 Boooohhhhoooooomeeeeer
(http://members.aol.com/cbjurman/Intvshots/b17.jpg) (http://www.brooklynboysgames.com/intellivision/B17_Bomber.jpg) (http://www.ticino.com/usr/eleven/intelliscreen/screen/b17bombr.gif)(http://www.ticino.com/usr/eleven/intelliscreen/screen/b17bombr3.gif)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Arlo on March 15, 2003, 12:52:50 AM: Commodore 64 "Mig Alley Ace" *Played this one on-base with a squadron buddy. It was split screen. ~hehe~ He could never figure out how I knew he was on my tail when I went all evasive like.

(http://home.wanadoo.nl/cip/Foto%27s/CASS-MigAlleyAce.jpg)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: funkedup on March 15, 2003, 01:24:35 AM: L shift-O baby!
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Elysian on March 15, 2003, 06:19:20 PM: Arlo, my friends and I were quoting b17 boooohbmer until we were in our early twenties (29 now). "Watch for flak!" "Fi-e-ters 12, o-clock1" "whu-oh", etc..

I remember stunt island too, apparently the geniuses who made it thought the max speed at sea level of an f16 was around 1100 mph, fun game though nonetheless.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Sixpence on March 15, 2003, 11:10:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by WldThing
Nah the yellow plane has the BnZ advantage.. :)

Perk the yellow plane!
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 16, 2003, 01:39:56 PM: ATP by Sublogic. This is how MS Flight got started.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Zanth on March 16, 2003, 03:03:55 PM: First flight simulator I flew had no screen at all. Was just a aircraft instrument panel/wheel thing you put on a desk or table for IFR training. The graphics were left to your imagination.

In those days our computer ( a Data General Nova 4) needed an air-conditioned room just for the equipment (disk packs were 2 feet in diameter) and we used a ticker tape fed TELEX for important business communications.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: AKIron on March 16, 2003, 03:31:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Zanth
In those days our computer ( a Data General Nova 4) needed an air-conditioned room just for the equipment (disk packs were 2 feet in diameter) and we used a ticker tape fed TELEX for important business communications.

Nostalgia, I used to maintain a Data General Nova 3, was used to process data for ATC radar. Long since replaced.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 16, 2003, 05:20:13 PM: 11 years old and still the best of its type...and the only one.
Shuttle
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 16, 2003, 05:21:26 PM: here's an external shot
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: addy on March 17, 2003, 01:07:26 AM: Naw that aint the only shuttle sim!! Get XPLANE. the shuttle is included with it!

The first flight sim I played was "dam busters" If I could just get it to work today!!! you flew a lanc. You had an egineers station, to set the superchargers and engines for take off...becareful you can overboost and blow them up!! the pilot station, nav, bomb aimer, and front and rean gunners. You had to fly from england to one of three dams and back, avoid the search lights and flak over cities. drop down to the lake and skip your bomb to the dam and return and land. What a blast this game was!!
Title: Knights of the Sky, SWOTL, Chuck Yeagers,
Post by: SC-GreyBeard on March 17, 2003, 03:51:15 AM: Still have it, complete in box with 5 1/4 floppies, a WWI flight sim Also SWOTL complete with "Code Wheel",, now, if I still had an old 5 1/4 drive.. :(

Still have the Yeager also.

Remember the Mig Alley Ace on C 64... friend and I spent HOURS flying that...
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Innominate on March 17, 2003, 06:40:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by addy
Naw that aint the only shuttle sim!! Get XPLANE. the shuttle is included with it!

heh I used to have a copy of that shuttle simulator, when they say "shuttle sim" they mean "shuttle sim" as in all of the panels, computers, launch, orbit, re-entry, landing.

udet, do you have a copy of it still?
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: cpxxx on March 17, 2003, 07:49:39 AM: Falcon AT was my first flight sim. I didn't even own a computer so played on my work PC which didn't even have a mouse. It was so 'realistic' except that I couldn't land it except by shutting down the engine so that is spun neatly onto the ground?????

Then sublogic's ATP which was great for practising IFR flying.

My favourites were the Chuck Yeager series complete with an audio tape from the great man himself. In Advanced flight trainer you could fly the X15. The air racing feature was excellent and hardly excelled since in any sim I've seen. You had to fly against your own best times which meant some close racing. Chuck's Air Combat simulator was ahead of it's time for playability but not graphics. My version was much copied I think at times there were more people playing it than working in any of the offices of the airline I worked for at the time.

Ah nostalgia
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: vorticon on March 17, 2003, 09:35:04 AM: mig 29 fulcrum...can get a screenie at http://www.the-underdogs.org

quite a few old games there...most of wich looked thrice as good in there 8-bit counterparts...
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: CMC Airboss on March 17, 2003, 02:11:57 PM: They year was 1987. Falcon from Spectrum Holobyte:

(http://www.cutthroats.com/art/falcon_screenshot.jpg)

MiG
Title: Some day
Post by: mrniel on March 17, 2003, 03:00:55 PM: Some day flight sims will look like this. Your computer 1984.

NO they look better.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Nashwan on March 17, 2003, 03:30:42 PM: Aviator, BBC micro, c 1983

The first real flight sim I played, with analogue controls, and a proper flight model
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: udet on March 17, 2003, 03:32:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Innominate
heh I used to have a copy of that shuttle simulator, when they say "shuttle sim" they mean "shuttle sim" as in all of the panels, computers, launch, orbit, re-entry, landing.

udet, do you have a copy of it still?

http://www.the-underdogs.org

has this sim and a lot more...
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: vorticon on March 17, 2003, 07:12:33 PM: basicly the underdogs have everything old and not famous...
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Blue Mako on March 17, 2003, 11:04:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Midnight
go to http://www.oldgames.nu

You can get plenty of old sims there. I just got LHX again. Man that one was fun!

Still have LHX in the box, mint condition, the disks even work still. :)

I also have Chuck Yeagers Air Combat, same vintage, same condition.

My dad has a few old 486's and I have them running on em, still ike playing them now.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Mathman on March 17, 2003, 11:54:03 PM: This was my first flight sim. Spitfire Ace by Microprose.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Duckwing6 on March 18, 2003, 03:26:13 AM: Gawd ... i just realized that my whole youth was wasted on all the programms mentiioned past 1983.. that's when we got our first C64 :D

Can remember playing Gunship on the C64 with my mate... i was sitting on top of the sofas backrest and he infront of me... of course i had the joystick and was the pilot and he had the keyboard as the gunner :)

god what a bunch of geeks
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Vulcan on March 18, 2003, 04:25:57 AM: Quote
Originally posted by udet
http://www.the-underdogs.org

has this sim and a lot more...

That is a cool site udet... this was my first addiction to sims:
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Vulcan on March 18, 2003, 04:28:46 AM: err this I mean
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Vulcan on March 18, 2003, 04:30:50 AM: I want a life of sex and danger....

oh the memories!
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: beet1e on March 18, 2003, 04:57:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by udet
ATP by Sublogic. This is how MS Flight got started.
Udet! I had that ATP sublogic program, which ran directly under DOS. The city depicted in your pic is of course Chicago, for those who didn't know. You could fly the plane through the Sears tower without incident!

I got my B737 commander's rating quite easily. The 767 rating was harder, and I never did manage to get the 747 commander's rating.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: DA98 on March 18, 2003, 06:25:58 PM: Addy, you can run Dam Busters on any C64 emulator for PC, it runs great :)
Title: Amiga flight sims
Post by: Biggles on March 18, 2003, 06:58:20 PM: I still have a working Amiga 1000 set up. There were a few decent flight sims for the Amiga. Strike Eagle, FA-18 Interceptor (the one where you'd fly around San Francisco). Gee Bee Air Rally (for a laugh), LucasArts BoB and Battlehawks 1942.

I fired up Battlehawks the other day, for fun. Man, those graphics are pretty damn bad by today's standards! :)

I'll see about screenshots
Title: Re: Amiga flight sims
Post by: udet on March 19, 2003, 02:17:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Biggles

I fired up Battlehawks the other day, for fun. Man, those graphics are pretty damn bad by today's standards! :)

Graphics aren't that important. I discovered Chuck Yeager Air Combat fairly late, when there were better looking sims around, and had a blast with it for a very long time.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Charge on March 19, 2003, 02:53:31 PM: Does anybody remember C64's Spitfire 40?

-Charge+
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: DA98 on March 19, 2003, 03:53:12 PM: Yeah, Spitfire '40 for C64 was my FIRST sim! I don't think I ever managed to land the plane :D BTW, IIRC, it had even a campaign!
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Central on March 19, 2003, 04:28:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AcId
Atari 2600
Combat
(not really a flight "Sim" but it was good fun)

What are you talking about?? You had the option of flying with your wingman vs 1, 3 Vs 1, 2 vs 2, 2vs 1 **DOUBLE bullets!! Triple BULLETS mode even!!

WAIT WAIT!! How many got their first ever combat training in there?! Come on, you know - fly horizontal in to the cloulds (dont pul back *pitch*- better yet pull to the sides to slow you down) to get your opponent to over shoot?! Then LOOP (rope A dope) for the kill.

me? never ever touched Atari :D
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: LastgenAMC on March 19, 2003, 10:59:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Central
What are you talking about?? You had the option of flying with your wingman vs 1, 3 Vs 1, 2 vs 2, 2vs 1 **DOUBLE bullets!! Triple BULLETS mode even!!

WAIT WAIT!! How many got their first ever combat training in there?! Come on, you know - fly horizontal in to the cloulds (dont pul back *pitch*- better yet pull to the sides to slow you down) to get your opponent to over shoot?! Then LOOP (rope A dope) for the kill.

me? never ever touched Atari :D

*raises hand*

Of course, I also mastered all the perfect angles for the 'ping-pong' tanks.
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Overlag on March 19, 2003, 11:18:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AcId
Atari 2600
Combat
(not really a flight "Sim" but it was good fun)

HAHA i loved that game

hmmm, i remember some F22 or something Combat sim on my first "computer" an Amstrad 64, you could dog fight with migs, and bomb if i remember rightly, VERY simple gfx but your mind made up the gfx in them days, not like now when everyone wants the computer to draw it for ya ;)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Jakke on March 20, 2003, 02:27:54 AM: This is my first flight sim. Mattel intellivisions triple action.
had lots of fun with this game in 80´s :)
Title: Re: Re: Amiga flight sims
Post by: Biggles on March 20, 2003, 12:13:51 PM: Quote
Originally posted by udet
Graphics aren't that important. I discovered Chuck Yeager Air Combat fairly late, when there were better looking sims around, and had a blast with it for a very long time.

It's great that everyone's entitled to their own opinion, which I think is just as important as good graphics.

I actually enjoyed Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer more than Air Combat. I think I would have enjoyed Air Combat more if I'd had a decent computer at the time. I'm not sure, but I might have been trying to fly it using a 386-40, or maybe even the 386SX-16 before that (can't remember).
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Wlfgng on March 20, 2003, 01:03:46 PM: you asked for it :eek:

(http://www.nick-tucker.com/logo.gif)

hey now, don't get your panties all in a bunch
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: hazed- on March 20, 2003, 05:35:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Birth of the alt monkey

rofl
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: Thunder on March 21, 2003, 11:06:33 AM: I was going through some old saved screenshots.. This one was taken on April 21, 1997 upon return of a successful bombing mission I did with the Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group. It was taken in WarBird's (Remember that six years ago flying in formation was something we strived for). The DHBG flys in Aces High today and has the proud distiction of being the Oldest Online Bomber Group in the flight gaming today.

(http://www.vzavenue.net/~sjt/DHBG 4-21-97.jpg)
Title: Screenshots of antique flight simulators
Post by: honda346 on March 21, 2003, 11:45:52 AM: Hey Thunder!

Add a texture map to the ground and that's about what Aces looks like now 6 years later! :eek: