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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 14, 2003, 09:24:31 AM
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I noticed this in Pyro's SimHQ Interview:
Dale is a big fan of submarines as his dad was a WWII submariner. Subs still have not hit our short term plans but I expect it to at some point.
I highly suggest reading "War beneath the Seas"
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/reading.html
One of the best submarine books I've ever read, even when I didn't think I could learn anymore about the submarine war. It starts off slow, but about 1/2 through it, you won't be able to set it down.
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das boot , written by german u-boat captain.
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or retire from the submarine force ;)
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John,
War beneath the seas covers the Atlantic, Baltic, Meditteranian (sp) and Pacific action. US, German, Italian, UK and Russain action. Its a damn thick book, but very informative of all nationalities boats, their abilities, limitations, and how the crews performed.
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My Favorte Sub Book's are:
Clear The Bridge( I read it like 4 times before I could bring myself to read the last Part of the book whear she went down)
Thunder Bellow
Das Boot
Operation Drumeat
I Boat Captain
While Das Boot is Fiction it is representive, another good book by Buchime is U Boat War which is a narative illustrated with some of his Pictures he took as a coraspondent while at sea on a U Boat, they are very good Pictures and realy give the feal of the boat, it is dificult to fully appricate the Size of the Boats howeaver with out having been in one I Went to Chicago to do just that and I must say if you havent been in one and are trying to Vishualise the feal inside a Type VII cut your estimate in half they are Small.
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ever been in nice north atlantic storm on a sub? I have. The old boat sailors had brass balls. They had to ride their boats on the surace in storms, taking water down the hatch, running stinky diesel motors. Then, when they dove, which was normally only for a few hours, they were still rocked around terribly. You don't get much relief from surface swell until you get down fairly far, say deeper than 200 feet during a good storm. Of course, you never really dry off, and oily slime spread throughout the boat. Sheesh, the most impressive thing is that they could hit targets with essentially visual solutions. Those guys sure knew their craft, right or wrong.
Even on a modern sub you can't get away from the smell - it permeates everything. When you get away from the boat for a while and open some of you things that were on the boat -- whew! there it is!
the germans had it the worst from a loss perspective, I think 36000 of the 39000 who sailed never returned. Something like that. Astounding.
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I really thought "Hellions of the Deep" was fascinating, but I'm a technogeek. It's very interesting and not overly "dry." It cover's American torpedo and ASW technology development before and during WW2.
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They have a Type VII in Laboe which is outside of Kiel in Germany. Its U995. Its very cramped on the inside,cant imagine how they crammed 40 guys in there.
If we ever get one in AH though, we need merchies to sink, convoys to attack, and destroyers to try and sink us. Otherwise subs wont be much fun.
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Silent Victory, written by Clay Blair Jr. in 1975 is the bible on USN submarine combat in World War 2. A tremendous book in both quality and scope (1,072 pages).
Charon
Here's a review
http://www.milmag.com/newsite/features/bookreviews/silentvictory/
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Blindmans Bluff is a fascinating cold-war submarine book about some of the really secret stuff that went down, including cable tapping missions and collisions w/ Soviet subs.
Also, there's a new book out about the NR-1 that's awful interesting. The NR-1 is the only unarmed nuclear sub in the world. It has wheels and can drive along the bottom while people watch out a big viewing bubble. It can also dive deeper then any other nuke, and has been used in some interesting recovery operations. (Anyone remember the F-14 that rolled off the deck of a CV with a Phoenix missile? Nobody wanted the Russians to get ahold of those for inspection).
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The Beatles' Yellow Submarine inspired me.
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Das boot is the only movie in subtitles I've watched all the way through.. more than once.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Blindmans Bluff is a fascinating cold-war submarine book about some of the really secret stuff that went down, including cable tapping missions and collisions w/ Soviet subs.
Hmm, after having watched the partially fictioned(Hollywood) version of K19, that might be something I'll pick up.
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i think hes on to somthing with the merchants and other vessels as targets.
would be cool just let anyone take control of and ship and fight it. aginst the subs.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
They have a Type VII in Laboe which is outside of Kiel in Germany. Its U995. Its very cramped on the inside,cant imagine how they crammed 40 guys in there.
For the people in the US, the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry has the U-505 (http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/U505home.html) on display. The U-505 was captured by the USS Guadalcanal Task Group 22.3 (Daniel V. Gallery, commanding) on June 4, 1944, the first enemy ship boarded and captured on the high seas by the US Navy since the War of 1812.
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the only problem i can foresee is the speed of ships in AH at the moment.
trying to torpedo the fleet will be incredibly difficult with any of the early subs as they couldnt go very fast under water.On the surface they were quick but obviously in AH on the surface will mean certain death. Even 50 calibers will probably kill us.
So how will we be able to stalk a fleet if they are so fast ?
will we get abnormally fast subs too?
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Mark XXI could do 21 knots under water, my impression is the fleets are always doing at least 30
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Rip ,if you haven't read "One of our submarines", I strongly advice you to do it. Impressive reading, biography of Captain Edward Young, RNVR. It also narrates with a lot of detail the story of HMS Storm, one of the most successfull submarines in the Royal Navy during WWII.
You can find it in amazon.com. Link:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1853266817/ref%3Ded%5Fsoc%5F%5F1%5F1/202-9283819-5539802