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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: T0J0 on March 14, 2003, 09:42:45 AM
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I find it hard to believe that understanding the size of the known galaxies, and also taking into account the possible numbers of
planets "infinite" that we couldn't possibly be the only form of life
in the known universe.. Answer any way you see fit not a yes or no question just a topic!
Also a thread to get away from the UN stuff
T0J0
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I'm 50/50 on everything, 50% says "Sure I'll believe it..." but the other 50% says "but show me the proof first". That goes for religion too.
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what are you asking me exactly? If there are UFO's piloted by aliens or that life exists outside our planet regardless if it's sentient and/or technologically advanced?
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Originally posted by Nifty
what are you asking me exactly? If there are UFO's piloted by aliens or that life exists outside our planet regardless if it's sentient and/or technologically advanced?
All of the above
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Life outside of earth?....absolutley.
Intelligent life visiting Earth?....I doubt it.
Intelligent life living on Earth? No Way!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm 50/50 on everything, 50% says "Sure I'll believe it..." but the other 50% says "but show me the proof first". That goes for religion too.
Isn't there a crater in your backyard? Oh wait, you're from France :p
Hmm, time to watch the Conehead movie again! :D
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Originally posted by LePaul
Isn't there a crater in your backyard? Oh wait, you're from France :p
Hmm, time to watch the Conehead movie again! :D
In a Dan Akroyd alien voice "Consume mass quantities"
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There is probably other life in the universe.
It probably never visited us.
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I agree with T0J0, with the mega zillions of stars out there, the chances of this system being the only one supporting life has to be pretty low. I'm sure that there are species that are zooming around the cosmos at will tho. A species that is intelligent enough to span the gap of space and time wouldn't abduct Cletus from Podunk county and gang probe him. I think that there would be more abduction reports from say, scientists, leaders, artists and the like.
Also, a species that is looking for life probably wouldn't look too hard in this remote arm of our galaxy. We are way out in the middle of nowhere star density wise.
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Life in the universe? Certainly.
Extraterrestrial life on earth? Nope.
Where are they? (Scientific American) (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0009CDEA-33FC-1C74-9B81809EC588EF21&pageNumber=1&catID=2)
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The Drake Equation (http://www.seti-inst.edu/seti/seti_science/Welcome.html) is pretty convincing evidence that life exists.
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The very first official U.S. reported (to the Gov't) UFO spotted was IN my back yard (24 miles away)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The very first official U.S. reported (to the Gov't) UFO spotted was IN my back yard (24 miles away)
I rest my case. Nice dome :D
You teach driver's ed per chance? :p
Sorry Rip, your a nice guy, can't resist teasing ya!
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I would like to know from the religious peoples here how the discovery of extraterrestrials would effect religion as we know it..
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no to UFO's piloted by ETs.
yes to life outside our planet. The extent of that life in terms of sentience and technology? no clue. It'd be kinda cool if we were as far along technologically as any lifeforms in the universe, but it'd be kinda sad too.
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LOL... you know the answer...
For an example, look to U.S. history and Joseph Smith. :)
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There are some that think these beings are time travelers from the distant future, rather than having traveled over the vast distances of the galaxy. But recently some theoretical physicists have concluded that neither time travel nor faster-than-light travel are barred by the Theory of Relativity. So the little grey men might be our many times-great-grandchildren, or our distant neighbors, or even the creators of human evolution. I believe that with all those reports, there's something more out there than swamp gas. Dont know what, tho.
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I would like to know from the religious peoples here how the discovery of extraterrestrials would effect religion as we know it..
this is a great question! I think it would open an industrial sized can of worms. I think first there would be all kinds of denial by the 'faith-based' community, as thousands of years of doctrine would come crumbling down.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I rest my case. Nice dome :D
You teach driver's ed per chance? :p
Sorry Rip, your a nice guy, can't resist teasing ya!
LOL! I wasn't around in 1947 ;)
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Rasker
Its so wierd that you mention that! that has been a pet-theory of mine for a long time, but most think I'm nuts when I say it, as it goes against the grain.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Life outside of earth?....absolutley.
Intelligent life visiting Earth?....I doubt it.
Intelligent life living on Earth? No Way!
Actually there is intelligent life on earth ... unfortunately we are just visiting.
Klaatu, Barada, Nikto ;) :D
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UFOs? Of course they exist. Any flying object not identified is, by default, unidentified. :)
Life on other planets? I just hope we don't run into the Romulans, Klingons, or Borg until we've developed better shields for our spacecraft.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The very first official U.S. reported (to the Gov't) UFO spotted was IN my back yard (24 miles away)
Heh, what year were you born Rip? :D
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Absolutely.
The sheer size of the known universe has to house something else than us - we're not all that important.
Do I think life exists elsewhere in the galaxy/universe? Yes. Hell, remember the bacteria they found on Mars 5-6 years ago? (think it was a bacteria, anyway)
Do I think intelligent life exists somewhere else in the galaxy/universe? Yes, either it does, did, or will, and I think the number of intelligent civiliations is far greater than assumed.
Do I think they are visiting Earth? As much as I would love to believe this because it would, quite simply, be the single greatest discovery of our civilization, I dont. I would think that if another civilization were to fly all the way out here, they would at least say hi. Although - do you really think our "advanced" society would be ready for it?
I dont really buy into the whole "we're being watched" routine either, but its not like I have any evidence one way or the other.
Im just sad I wont see our civilization expand beyond Mars in my lifetime.
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Earth could be an alien science project gone bad... A petri dish so to speak.. an alien childs science project for the alien science fair...
Hope the kid gets an A+!
J/K T0J0
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Heres some good reading for you guys.. I read this stuff and enjoyed it for entertainment value... Just not to much fellas you might go schitzo...
http://www.think-aboutit.com
L Ron Hubbard is a cupcake compared to some of this stuff here..
Enjoy....
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by T0J0
Earth could be an alien science project gone bad... A petri dish so to speak.. an alien childs science project for the alien science fair...
Hope the kid gets an A+!
J/K T0J0
Actually Lisa's evil brother Bart stole the Petri dish and got the prize for himself. Episode #257 :)
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Some where theres Captain Kirk looking for some woman to screw... :D
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Earth could be an alien science project gone bad... A petri dish so to speak.. an alien childs science project for the alien science fair...
Hope the kid gets an A+!
J/K T0J0
im with Tojo all the way on this one!
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I want to believe that UFOs are friendly but I think they are visiting earth to kidnap mankind for strange inversal experiments.
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Heres some good reading for you guys.. I read this stuff and enjoyed it for entertainment value... Just not to much fellas you might go schitzo...
http://www.think-aboutit.com
L Ron Hubbard is a cupcake compared to some of this stuff here..
Enjoy....
DoctorYo
L. Ron Hubbard is worm food.
(http://www.xenu.net/images/cb.jpg) (http://www.xenu.net)
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Yes...just watch the Repo Man for proof!
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I wanna' belive
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i'm certain there is life elsewhere.
i'm skeptic that they are coming here.
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Originally posted by Animal
i'm certain there is life elsewhere.
i'm skeptic that they are coming here.
exactly
be about as entertaining and informative to them as if we went into the backyard and watched ants crawl around on their mound
do think they show an interest when we act like we are going to blow ourselves and our chuck of the universe away ...
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Other intelligent life in the universe: absolutely.
Has it visited us: never.
Will it ever: No.
Why: The speed of light is a very harsh limit. It is so slow that the mere 44,000 mile round trip to the satellite makes trying to play AH via Dish network useless. Intelligent life is likely to be hundreds and hundreds of light years dispersed- probably no intelligent planetary civilization has ever even seen evidence of any other intelligent civilization, even though the universe probably holds millions of them.
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Its so wierd that you mention that! that has been a pet-theory of mine for a long time, but most think I'm nuts when I say it, as it goes against the grain
posted by hawk220
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If no one goes against the grain the world would be a boring place.
Is there life outside earth, yes.
Has it visited us, maybe, but not as often as many people believe.
I think they come here for entertainment, like going to africa for a safari. :D
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Just some food for thought: Everything we know in terms of physics, mathmatics, and "limits" to them, could in fact be completely wrong in terms of the universe.
We can't prove our own sets of limits incorrect, simply because we haven't found a way to surpass them.
If we are visited, have been visited, or will be visited- chances are the "visit" will be by advanced life forms that want our planet to themselves...
-SW
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Originally posted by 715
Why: The speed of light is a very harsh limit. It is so slow that the mere 44,000 mile round trip to the satellite makes trying to play AH via Dish network useless. Intelligent life is likely to be hundreds and hundreds of light years dispersed- probably no intelligent planetary civilization has ever even seen evidence of any other intelligent civilization, even though the universe probably holds millions of them.
Ever heard of "curbed space"? you wouldn't have to go fast:D
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Originally posted by 715
Why: The speed of light is a very harsh limit. It is so slow that the mere 44,000 mile round trip to the satellite makes trying to play AH via Dish network useless. Intelligent life is likely to be hundreds and hundreds of light years dispersed- probably no intelligent planetary civilization has ever even seen evidence of any other intelligent civilization, even though the universe probably holds millions of them.
Read this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553380168/qid=1047673606/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-8915522-6479200)
You will then realize how relatively easy it would be for a very advanced type 3 civilization to travel anywhere in the universe, provided they can meet the energy requirements (which are astronomical to say the least ;) )
Traveling in space is not like jumping on a plane and going to Paris. A would be space traveler would not be much concerned with how fast his ship can "fly" but how much it is capable to contract the space around it.
Get the book, Hawkins can explain it better than I.
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Yes I have that book, just started to read it though. Then I left it on a bus. :mad:
Worth buying another copy though.
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From a religious point of view (Christianity in my case) I don't think that if Aliens were proven to exist it would change much for myself.
I believe that the "were alone in this universe" idea is more folklore, than anything the Bible has said. I can't think of anywhere in the Bible it says we are the only ones here. Just that this earth was created for us. It does mention "other sheep", which the Mormons have really taken off with.
I can't see that it would change my beliefs one bit.
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I said type 3 "civilizaton" without explaining myself.
Type 0 - Us. Simple cavemen compared to the potential. We are still struggling with old, inefficient forms of energy.
Type 1 - Capable of harnessing the energy in their home planet with supreme efficiency.
Type 2 - Capable of harnessing the energy of an entire star, and even manipulating the body itself.
Type 3 - Capable of harnessing the energy of whole galaxies. They would be so advanced to us that we would barely be able to comunicate with them.
For an "Alien" civilization to visit Earth, they would probably have to be type 3 in order to have the energy required to manipulate time/space.
As far as we understand, for such an advanced civilization, there would be nothing for them here on Earth that they could benefit from.
Had some tragic events not ocurred, like the burning of the Library of Alexandria, the dark ages, and the Church's complete grip on advancement for a long time, we could well be into Type 1 territory.
Sadly and ironically, the only thing that pushes us forward into that territory, is war itself. With the discoveries we make in the research for better ways to kill each other, we end up pushing our technology further, so war itself is what may put us as a contender in the intergalactic race, IF we dont kill each other first.
We dont have to fear the aliens. They have to fear us :)
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You're pretty much right Animal, except the Space Race- while driven by the Cold War- wasn't actually a way to find a better/more efficient means of killing off the enemy. It was actually pushed by the desire for each country (USSR and USA) to prove to the world which one was the superior one.
Unfortunately it hit a brick wall with the fall of the USSR and the end of the Cold War.
But atleast it brought us these uber-powerful computers for us to simulate war and the act of efficient killing. :)
Ahhh humanity, hairless monkeys capable of the worst kinds of misery, destruction and death.
Yeah, extraterrestrial life will definitely look forward to making us extinct so they can take over our world for themselves.
-SW
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Sadly, since I've started shaving my head...I've been mistaken for an alien. :(
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I shotdown a lot of UFOS. They take the form of AH Spit V-IX, but no intelligent beings inside the UFO's.
:) :) :) :) :)
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I've always been very skeptical of extraterrestrial visitation. The recent special on the Sci-Fi channel has me wondering. There seems to be a lot of reputable folks with some seemingly outrageous claims. Hmmmmmm
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ROFL, UFOs should be BANNED.
;)
Its not fair, its not even right. Its the way it is.
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And further more, if we BANN UFOs, then I say the UFOs must be a threat of some kind. Why are we scared of the UFOs?
UNBANN the UFOs.
Hum, I think I hit something good here. Me goes off to think some.
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Iron- you should see some of the History Channel specials on UFOs, extraterrestrials and what not.
Okay, I am in no way saying I believe all the claims- especially from the good number of wierdos they parade around on there. Phew, it's a convention for the crazies.
But the reports are the interesting things they have. For example, they've been using this one incident in a lot of the UFO/Extraterrestrial specials in which there were hundreds of reported sightings of "UFO type" (everyone knows what I mean, alien associated, not just unidentified) craft flying over a place in Scandanavia or Norway. I forget where, but it was some European country like that. One person they interviewed was a police officer there who followed a couple of the objects. There was another incident where an airline pilot asked ground control if there was an object flying in their airspace. Ground control reported nothing on radar, but the pilot and co-pilot both saw this huge object out of their window with lights running down the side of it.
Don't get me wrong, I simply can't believe unless I get solid concrete proof. It does make me raise a brow out of curiousity though, and means I can't say with certainty that it's all bogus.. and in the same vein, if it's all real.
In the end, it's still very intrguing.
-SW
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All I know is that them dam Aliens don't like no Cows!
Cattle mutilations scar the BeJesus outta.... but then so do them
flying monkeys on the Wizard of Oz *shutter*:eek:
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This is a lot more fun than talking about Iraq, cons/lib politics, etc, so here goes yet some more conspiracy theory... Read in an accelerated, exited voice; 'affrettando', as they say in music...
Since 1946 it must have been clear to defense intelligence chiefs studying the so-called GHOST AIRCRAFT wave in Scandinavia and elsewhere that intelligently controlled objects of unknown origin and purpose were operating in our atmosphere! Even as early as 1942, when mysterious objects appeared over Los Angeles, General George Marshall, as Army Chief of Staff, was unable to account for the sightings in conventional terms.
So, by July 1947, when sightings proliferated throughout the United States, and a UFO crashed at Roswell, New Mexico, it must have become obvious, to some, that the FLYING SAUCERS were of extraterrestrial origin. Apart from the likely fact (it was believed by the "authorities") that an admission to this effect would generate public alarm, the military (one can reasonably speculate) needed to learn as much as possible about the construction and propulsion of the craft, in the event that another nation (primarily the Soviet Union) might acquire this knowledge first, providing an additional reason for having total secrecy attached to the investigations.
Independent researcher Wilbur Smith learned in 1950 from a Dr. Rob Sarbacher that the stories of recovered DISKS were true, and that a small group---most likely Majestic 12--- was headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush in order to learn as much as possible about the modus operandi of the so-called saucers, and only those with a "need to know" were to be informed of the findings.
Godda love conspiracy web sites.:)
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There aren't an infinite number of planets in the universe, simply because there is only a finite amount of matter/energy and this has been a constant since the beginning of time.
That said, it's hard to come up with a reason for their not being sentient life out there - it's just spread so thin we'll never see it.
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I believe in UFO's.
My logic is simple: We exist.
If we exist. So will another intelligent life somewhere else.
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Originally posted by OIO
I believe in UFO's.
My logic is simple: We exist.
If we exist. So will another intelligent life somewhere else.
thats logic?
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AH n1k bombing a base
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(http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~belinda/images/i-want-to-believe.jpg)
There's life outside the earth...no sure if they've been here tho.
Tronsky
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someone tell the ailens france needs more anal probing.
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If they do visit they will more than likely be hitchikers named Ford Precect or Zaphod or something like that.
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Cartman KNOWS anal probes.