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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rc51 on March 15, 2003, 08:11:33 PM
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To hell with them
This picture really says it all.
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been so for..200 years?
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it seems to me, that you dont need anyone who doesnt support you
i love that american propaganda, its same piece of crap as that russian but in diferent colours :D :D :D
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The notion that France has somehow betrayed the U.S. is just ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The notion that France has somehow betrayed the U.S. is just ridiculous.
France has betrayed the U.S. more than once in the last 25 years and anyone who believes otherwise is just plain ignorant. (notice I didn't use the word stupid). They may as well be considered hostile to the U.S.
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Hmmm... My guess is that you're referring to Libya.
Wonder if they were serving "Freedom Fries" at the Congressional cafeteria then... but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... My guess is that you're referring to Libya.
Wonder if they were serving "Freedom Fries" at the Congressional cafeteria then... but I doubt it.
Maybe not, but don't imagine that many of us didn't notice then nor have we forgotten.
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i don't feel betrayed.
if the french and german apologists wanna suck saddams dick, why should we give a toejam?
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isnt this the first thing france hasnt voted with us since vietnam? how dare they think different then us!
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they are free to say anything they want.
thanks to us.
i think they are dog dick slurpin toejamheads.. but hey; thats my opinion. I could be wrong. it could be it's donkey dicks they like.
next loser of an euorpean war will be required to keep france.
dirty dog dick lickers and all.
:)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
i think they are dog dick slurpin toejamheads.. but hey; thats my opinion. I could be wrong. it could be it's donkey dicks they like.
Now where is straffo when you need him? Straffo..what say you?
:) <-- good thinking on that one Hang
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The actions of France has relegated France to third world status on the world stage. Just another toothless nation who America bashes in the U. N.
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steve... i'm in auto destruct mode.
when i finish imploding it could get ugly.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
they are free to say anything they want.
thanks to us.
i think they are dog dick slurpin toejamheads.. but hey; thats my opinion. I could be wrong. it could be it's donkey dicks they like.
next loser of an euorpean war will be required to keep france.
dirty dog dick lickers and all.
:)
Hang, SHAME on you!! Shame, Shame, Shame. Where is your compassion towards the donkey, dog dick lickers, GEEZ!!
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Screw france.
The next time they need the sorry little tulips saved maybe we will be looking the other way.
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I find this to be somewhat amusing. On one hand I see the french and germans trying to take the high road here "morally" by being against a war with iraq. They claim we are acting unilaterally and without any justification.
Some here claim that since there were no iraqi's on the planes in 9/11 that iraq has no bearing on the war on terrorism. Since iraq cannot mount an invasion of America they are no threat to the United States. There are other ways to attack the US without a full scale military invasion. 9/11 already proved that. Bush stated right after the attack that we would consider those who shelter or give aid to terrorist organizations to be the same as the terrorists. There will be no middle ground as long as there is a threat of terrorism to this country. The nations that claim neutrality or actually favor iraq in this issue are likely to be interested in maintaining a "peacefull" relationship hoping to avoid attacks on their own soil. Apeasement might buy them that freedom from attack for a while, until they do something that does not placate the terrorist organization.
Some claim it's about oil and or money.
Some claim that it's about making their own decision for their countries "best interests". The last one I agree with. That happens to be the same reason the US is going forward without the allies we had before.
The french and germans try to maintain the "high moral ground" here on this bbs by saying the conflict is bad since they dissagree with it. The interests they are protecting happens to be the money they themselves have invested in saddumb. They are afraid that they will lose the lucrative deals they haev with iraq if there is a regime change. International law however maintains that valid financial agreements with a country remain valid after there is a change in government. If the agreements are in fact valid the french and germans have no fears about their finances in and with iraq, unles of course there is a problem with those agreements. There IS a bit of coin involved here after all. The travesty of trashing the US about money and oil when france and germany stand to proffit as long as saddumb remains in power is hardly a "high moral ground". The reason for france and germany to oppose the conflict IS about money. Not much, if anything else, but money. It's in their self interest to keep the oil for THEIR country flowing uninterupted and continue to sell goods to iraq the way things are now.
The same goes for russia as they are the number one arms dealer for iraq. Oil for weapons that the russians haven't the need for now is lucrative. That is in their best interests as well. At least they haven't had the gall to claim it's for a moralistic purpose. for that. It does let them exercise a bit of international clout and IMO they miss that option.
For those who take a side one way or another, this will play out in the near future one way or another. I intend to sit back and watch how it works. Idle debate here is both fruitless and irrelevant as none here have the authority to make any substantive changes in the situation. If they did, they'd be too damn busy working their own "interests" on the world events.
As for my own actions, I cannot participate in the conflict as there are no plans for retiree's to be activated at this time. I already checked. The least I can do is make an impact financially by "voting with MY dollars" for those producers of goods who's country has made a stand on this issue. It may not be much but I'll no longer support french or german goods. That includes those who are owned by non US corporations such as daimler chrysler.
I fully expect everyone who has an opinion in this issue to do likewise. Boycott the national products of your choice and get on with life in the short term. In the long term, IF you have free elections, vote your conscience at the next election and canvass your representatives about what you are thinking. These are the responsible things to do irregardless of which side of the fence you reside. Protest, debate or post all you want but do not be deceived that whatever you post here will have any bearing on the actions of your government. After all, how many national leaders of the main powers involved paly this game and take an active interest in this bbs?
Feel free to spew the hatred and devisiveness all you want, far be it from me to spoil your fun. Just keep it in perspective that it simply don't amount to squat here in relationship to the "big picture". Same goes for this post as well.
For those who like to make a vituperative anonomous post I'd like to raise the bar a bit here by posting MY name to MY post. My profile has never been anonomous and neither am I. You do as you like. Your actions about this will say more about you whichever way you decide to identify yourself.
Cheers.
Maverick
Aka LTC Barr, Armor USAR (ret)
AKA Officer Barr Tucson PD (ret/ disabled)
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in WW2 the french in north africa fought the americans until the french were defeated , then the french changed sides and claimed to be allies.
saddam is a puppet of the french.
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Feel free to spew the hatred and devisiveness all you want, far be it from me to spoil your fun.
Funny, the only hate I see being spewed is against the French.
I refer you to Hang's post as a case in point.
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Col Barr, SIR!
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dowding.. i'm just one guy. just me. lil 'ol carnky, obstinate, hatefilled, and vengful me.
don't color the resta the folks here using reason with the hateful brush i paint with.
to those gettin splattered, i apologize for my invective. for those i'm directing it at.. rot in hell.
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I think you're the tip of ice-burg, Hang - you're the only one prepared to say it. The rest stand by and shout 'here, here'.
My point still stands, Maverick.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I think you're the tip of ice-burg, Hang - you're the only one prepared to say it. The rest stand by and shout 'here, here'.
My point still stands, Maverick.
Dowding,
As you well know there are posts on both sides of this issue including invective towards multiple nations. Please note I did not exclude either side from the hatred spewing. Is that too divisive for you or what?
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Originally posted by john9001
in WW2 the french in north africa fought the americans until the french were defeated , then the french changed sides and claimed to be allies.
saddam is a puppet of the french.
Where was you during your historical lessons?
There was 2 "french" administrations, One was pro-German and went under the name "Vichy-France". Vichy France had to fight, defending their territory in Africa, otherwise there would probebly been some kind of retaliation towards them.
One was Called the "Free-France" and was seated in London after the occupasion.
They where on the Allied side. They fought with the Britts and US forces. The French never changed sides, they stod up against Germany. You Guys never even Decleared war against Germany, they decleared war on you, forcing you to fight them.
Crabofix
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I don't think I've seen any post that the labelled Americans as cowardly or used infantile names to describe an entire nation.
If I'm wrong, I'd be glad of a link.
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i disagree dowding.. politely tho.
think on it for a bit.
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I will. :)
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Not yet, Dowding, But eventully, someone have to come up with the truth.
Crabofix
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Screw the frogs. Who the frog needs them... They don't have one thing that I want, or would buy from them. In fact, I will make it a point to never purchase anything from the frogs........ever. My Dad fought the Nazi's to save the little bastages' nasty bodies from becoming Germans, imagine that. Fat chance that will happen again...FROG EM'!! And, Frog the Germans too. Their potato salad sucks, along with most of their mushy food!! "Hey Germany", "you want Froggyville......it's yours...take it!". ;)
Thorns
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You better visit france and get a taste of their fantastic food, hear their fine language and see their beautiful woman, then ya come back and judge again :)
Regards Blitz
btw Frenchies are similar to americans- they love their country :)
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Originally posted by crabofix
Where was you during your historical lessons?
There was 2 "french" administrations, One was pro-German and went under the name "Vichy-France". Vichy France had to fight, defending their territory in Africa, otherwise there would probebly been some kind of retaliation towards them.
LOL and what were you doing during those history lessons mr History Professor?
"otherwise there would probebly been some kind of retaliation towards them"
sheesh...
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I was never present at thoose lessons , Iīm affraid.
For once, you are completly right Hortlund.
Crabofix
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blitz most americans never leave america. they wouldnt realize we dont get along with the french because we are so much alike when it comes to our countrys ego.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
LOL and what were you doing during those history lessons mr History Professor?
"otherwise there would probebly been some kind of retaliation towards them"
sheesh...
retaliation is not the proper word to use you should use : non allied war-crime.
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but froggy.. you miss a key point.
we have reason to be proud... we crushed communisim, nazism, racisim.. we remain strong. we have the courage of our convictions. our housewives from seattle show more courage than certain members of the UN security council.
the french only have.... france.
and even that is thanks to us.
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Originally posted by straffo
retaliation is not the proper word to use you should use : non allied war-crime.
Thanks a lot Straffo, I m always open for lectures
Crabofix
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Crabo : ask Hortlung I think he got a lot of knowledge on this particular point.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
but froggy.. you miss a key point.
we have reason to be proud... we crushed communisim, nazism, racisim.. we remain strong. we have the courage of our convictions. our housewives from seattle show more courage than certain members of the UN security council.
the french only have.... france.
and even that is thanks to us.
Thank to some,not thank to you.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
we crushed communisim, nazism, racisim..
Racism? I think not..
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Originally posted by Hangtime
but froggy.. you miss a key point.
we have reason to be proud... we crushed communisim, nazism, racisim.. we remain strong. we have the courage of our convictions. our housewives from seattle show more courage than certain members of the UN security council.
the french only have.... france.
and even that is thanks to us.
Everyone already knows you old guys are the better part of the world but tell me how many evil Charlies
you would get at 200yards with ya M-16 nowadays, Hang? :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Originally posted by straffo
Thank to some,not thank to you.
your ignorance is exciting me.
i've got a stiffie for yah.
my great grandfather was pulled outta the north atlantic after the ship he was on was torpedoed. that was WWI
WWII found my father and uncle fighting for france.. my father on a LST on Utah Beach, my uncle in a fighter.
When i came of age, I followed my brother to vietnam, and after 9 months there I served the balance of my enlistment in Baumholder Germany.
My bellybutton was on that detail.. the one keeping the Soviets outta western europe.. Service, I remind you; that helped keep yer dirty cesspit nation free.. Service your miserable ungrateful nation decided to not particiapte in.
Pound sand Straffo.. I've seen Europe. I've seen France. You were not worth it.
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but tell me how many evil Charlies you would get at 200yards with ya M-16 nowadays, Hang?
blitz, wanna try yer luck?
:D
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Still no thank for you.
Your familly is another concern, in my familly I've someone like you .. to bad he don't speak english (I guess you're unable to say a simple sentence in french ?)
Otherwise it would be nice to see you play ping-pong with all your hate .
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Originally posted by Hangtime
blitz, wanna try yer luck?
:D
Sure Hang, as i'm no charly nor a communist, i'm just a little rabbit, 200 yards, doubt it :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Originally posted by blitz
You better visit france and get a taste of their fantastic food, hear their fine language and see their beautiful woman, then ya come back and judge again :)
Regards Blitz
btw Frenchies are similar to americans- they love their country :)
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, I am just plain rediculous
I wouldnt trade it for a hotdog here in the USA.
I wouldnt go to France if someone bought me round trip tickets and gave me 5 k to spend. My loyalty to my fallen countrymen wouldnt let me.
Im sure Im the ony one who feels that way tho ;->
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Originally posted by WldThing
Racism? I think not..
Not completely but GREAT advances have been made in the last 30 years.
You cant free all peoples minds from hate but we have equalized
many things.
I think we could have a Black American President before too long.
Heck I would consider voting for Colin Powell if he were to run.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Not completely but GREAT advances have been made in the last 30 years.
You cant free all peoples minds from hate but we have equalized
many things.
I think we could have a Black American President before too long.
Heck I would consider voting for Colin Powell if he were to run.
A black American President??,,, Now exalctly how long do you think he would stay alive?
Id be happy to see one, but I really donīt think that will happend in my life time.
Crabofix
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Originally posted by X2Lee
I wouldnt trade it for a hotdog here in the USA.
I wouldnt go to France if someone bought me round trip tickets and gave me 5 k to spend. My loyalty to my fallen countrymen wouldnt let me.
Im sure Im the ony one who feels that way tho ;->
A hotdog????? Get real, that's third world food like german 'Currywurst'
Try a 'croissant o' beure and you will change your mind about France. There food alone will corrupt you, tells ya all about Ol Europe :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Sorry Blitzy, I can get great food in any U.S. city. Maybe I will order frog legs, just so I can pull them apart. Still, it tastes like chicken, and maybe that's for a reason.
Thorns
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How sad this has become... I find myself reading less and less this far more interesting forum in other times. :(
You go on with this fights. I'm out.
Daniel
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2 down.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Not completely but GREAT advances have been made in the last 30 years.
You cant free all peoples minds from hate but we have equalized
many things.
I think we could have a Black American President before too long.
Heck I would consider voting for Colin Powell if he were to run.
Hey, the Rev AL is running on the democrat ticket. Vote for honest AL!
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Originally posted by crabofix
A black American President??,,, Now exalctly how long do you think he would stay alive?
Id be happy to see one, but I really donīt think that will happend in my life time.
Crabofix
I agree Crabofix..
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Hang says all the things I feel, but don't have the balls to say.
Hang. Thanks for keeping us free. Thank you for protecting us from the Red Army. Thank your Dad for protecting us from the Huns. Thanks to your Grandfather for stepping up and being counted.
The time has come to fly the flag, salute it, and tell the rest of the world to step aside, and let the big dog handle this one.
We'll call you when it's over. Bring a mop.
And as for the free trip to France, with 5 K spending money...I'd take it..and volunteer the money, and my time to any American family who wants me to disinter their brave family member, who is spinning in his grave in that rotted soil called France. Send me a check, and and name, and I'll go bring 'em home.
And I've heard French woman are hot....once you shave 'em down, toss em some deodorant, and get them to shut the diddly up. French cuisine? I like my steak Rare, and my potatoes mashed. 'Nuff said.
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rotflmao there is a nice collection in this thread :)
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I'm so disgusted with France that I just threw out a whole case of perfectly good French Ticklers. (Actually, I call them Freedom Ticklers, now) :p
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The notion that France has somehow betrayed the U.S. is just ridiculous.
Perhaps not at the moment but that didn't stop them tipping off Serbia of known air-raids a few years back. British/US Intelligence sussed them out that time.... enter F117 downed...
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The real mystery (for me at least) is why you name that "French tickler" when we all know that the correct name is "Capote Anglaise" :D
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Nexx is it : All of them ,Some of them or one of them ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Nexx is it : All of them ,Some of them or one of them ?
Think it was one or some of them, can't remember exact details but it was quite well publicised at the time, plus I found out more from other sources that I can't disclose.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
they are free to say anything they want.
thanks to us.
Exactly, and I'm sure they're greatfull for that.
But, some of you think it's wrong for them to have their own opinion and not blindly follow the ones who liberated them.
Then, why is it you liberated them? so that you could give them their opinion rather than the Nazis? If so, what boat does that put you in?
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All of this has changed our little rock for a long time to come and it's far from over imho.
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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
Exactly, and I'm sure they're greatfull for that.
But, some of you think it's wrong for them to have their own opinion and not blindly follow the ones who liberated them.
Then, why is it you liberated them? so that you could give them their opinion rather than the Nazis? If so, what boat does that put you in?
It's not wrong to have your own opinion...it's just wrong to have it, act on it in an effort to thwart our policies and call yourselves our friend all at the same time.
Their free to make their own bed as is everyone.
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man some people are nasty.....:(
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you ain't seen nothin yet. I'm just gettin warmed up...
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Hangtime walks into Doc's office......
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOC help me man....dem french sissies gettin on my nerves man......
Doc answer's......here's ya remedy.....
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now now if that doesn't work......think of these
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Originally posted by Replicant
Think it was one or some of them, can't remember exact details but it was quite well publicised at the time, plus I found out more from other sources that I can't disclose.
So you don't put all in the same bag I guess ?
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I misunderstood your reply, I thought you were on about how many aircraft had been tipped off when you said 'all of them, some of them, or one of them'. Now I know what you mean I would probably say that it was 'one' of them, afterall the president would have ultimate control as to what information was passed. Who was the president of France around that time? 1998? 1999?
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Chirac was president at this time, but I don't think he would have passed information to the serbs, Mitterand perhaps but chirac not likely.
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Originally posted by OZkansas
Hey, the Rev AL is running on the democrat ticket. Vote for honest AL!
What are you some kind of freak?
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Originally posted by blitz
A hotdog????? Get real, that's third world food like german 'Currywurst'
Try a 'croissant o' beure and you will change your mind about France. There food alone will corrupt you, tells ya all about Ol Europe :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
Trust me it would not.
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Don't you realize we would have a Brittish Accent if it wasn't for the french, the french owe us nothing. Plus they gave us the statue of liberty.. Imagine what that cost them.. If anything we owe france one more favor..
But yes Frances Prime minister is being and A-Hole..