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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on March 16, 2003, 01:15:53 PM
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US,UK, Spain give UN 24 hours to enforce 1441
translation:: lead , follow, or get out of the way
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... and don't be surprised when someone points a gun to the back of your head.
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sandman
you speak in riddles white man, i hear your words but know not their meaning, you should speak the plain truth, for in truth there is strength.
i think you support the french and their puppet saddam.
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Plainly...
I think that the citizens of the U.S. are safer with a U.N. mandate than they are without one.
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the french will not allow a mandate, the french support their puppet saddam.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Plainly...
I think that the citizens of the U.S. are safer with a U.N. mandate than they are without one.
Good point Sandman, Islamic extremist fanatics always bow in deference to the mighty UN....
But seriously do you really believe that? If so how come the UN did not prevent the 911 attacks? Or are you saying real patriotic americans will be the targets of terror my french or german or even traitorous american radical degenerate communist scum?
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I'm saying that there are terrorist organizations all over this planet. If there really is a way to "win" the war on terror, I'm certain that it will require support from other countries.
Consider Afghanistan... I can't recall a single country that did not support our right to go there, remove the Taliban government, and hunt the Al-Qaeda. Righteousness was on our side.
We don't have that same sense of righteousness... and I wish we had it.
By turning our backs on the U.N., can we expect non-coerced support from other countries? IMHO, the terrorist organizations will benefit from the lack of support from the members of the U.N. and it is our fault, not theirs, for failing to convince them.
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Originally posted by john9001
sandman
you speak in riddles white man, i hear your words but know not their meaning, you should speak the plain truth, for in truth there is strength.
i think you support the french and their puppet saddam.
tell me ... have ever been abroad ?
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Good. I can finally put that 6 pack, popcorn, and face paint to use.
YUU ESS AYY! YUU ESS AYY!
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
tell me ... have ever been abroad ?
Damn you, that was evil!!! :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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""Originally posted by Eaglecz
tell me ... have ever been abroad ? ""
no , i have always been a man , how about you?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good point Sandman, Islamic extremist fanatics always bow in deference to the mighty UN....
But seriously do you really believe that?
to ignore UN will bring you less cooperation from other countries in the future
and if you realy belive that you dont need friends, just ask CIA, where do they buy Spy informations from ME region.
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Originally posted by john9001
""Originally posted by Eaglecz
tell me ... have ever been abroad ? ""
no , i have always been a man , how about you?
Nevermind, john :)
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Originally posted by john9001
""Originally posted by Eaglecz
tell me ... have ever been abroad ? ""
no , i have always been a man , how about you?
yeah i was few times in africa, few times in UK, travelled zig zag across the europe
actualy i was classified as non-trusted, non-wanted, when i wanted to visit US year ago, so i went Swiss instead and it was pretty cool trip
and if everything gonna be fine at my work, i will go to IIR on the end of march.. for a month :) (and im soooo looking forward)
and yeah there is huge diferent between us... im not a man ... im just a boy.. you know what i mean ? :D
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
to ignore UN will bring you less cooperation from other countries in the future
and if you realy belive that you dont need friends, just ask CIA, where do they buy Spy informations from ME region.
I disagree. The "important" nations are already firmly in the US camp. US gets 80% of its mid east intel from the Israelis, cant get a firmer ally than them. Rest mostly comes from Egypt and Pakistan...another couple of firm allies.
As for the "less cooperation in the future"-category, that group of nations is filled with nations already doing their best to throw sticks in the wheels for the US (France) or they are completely irrelevant (Germany).
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Originally posted by blitz
Nevermind, john :)
Regards Blitz
LOL
look at this kind man .. i love him ! :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Consider Afghanistan... I can't recall a single country that did not support our right to go there, remove the Taliban government, and hunt the Al-Qaeda. Righteousness was on our side......
only becuase we did it quickly while we were still pissed!
think they'd have been that supportive if we'd waited until say today to act?
then again Afghanistan didn't/doesn't do trade in the BILLIONS with france, russia, china or germany so they would not give a rats arse ....
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I disagree. The "important" nations are already firmly in the US camp. US gets 80% of its mid east intel from the Israelis, cant get a firmer ally than them. Rest mostly comes from Egypt and Pakistan...another couple of firm allies.
Poland, Russian ?? what do you know about their information services ?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
As for the "less cooperation in the future"-category, that group of nations is filled with nations already doing their best to throw sticks in the wheels for the US (France) or they are completely irrelevant (Germany).
Beat me to it. :)
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
Poland, Russian ?? what do you know about their information services ?
Is this where you are going to tell us that Poland is really a great Mid east intel asset? Or that Russia shares its intel with the US?
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yes Poland is one of best ME intel. agen.
yes Russia share some information about this matter with US
actualy poland did it since Afghanistan ....
you never hear about it ?
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
yes Poland is one of best ME intel. agen.
yes Russia share some information about this matter with US
actualy poland did it since Afghanistan ....
you never hear about it ?
I dont think they write about that stuff in "White Power" so I doubt he heard about it.
Crabofix
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Originally posted by AKIron
Beat me to it. :)
to snore
we snore
they snore
i shall snore
you will snore
he will snore
we will snore
you will snore
they will snore :D
Regards Blitz
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
yes Poland is one of best ME intel. agen.
yes Russia share some information about this matter with US
actualy poland did it since Afghanistan ....
you never hear about it ?
I think the key phrase here is "some" as in "share some information".
As for the Poles, no, I didnt know that. In fact, I'm not really sure I believe it at all, but Im certain you can provide me with some sources? Anyway, two observations,
1) I doubt the polish intel is better than the Israeli intel.
2) I dont think the US stand vs the UN has driven off Poland. In fact, I think France has been alienating Poland with their attitude.
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Originally posted by crabofix
I dont think they write about that stuff in "White Power" so I doubt he heard about it.
Crabofix
Hey, mr history major, why dont you get off my back.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Hey, mr history major, why dont you get off my back.
Don't like him either, he's persistant.
Russian border is near!!! :D
Regards Hortlund
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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Hortlund check history before making definitive conclusions (I speak of point 2).
It's never that simple when it's between old country.
Concerning point 1 ... are you sure the Isrealy are the best of the best ?
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Originally posted by john9001
US,UK, Spain give UN 24 hours to enforce 1441
translation:: lead , follow, or get out of the way
Hussien cannot be allowed to ignore the UN security council, unless we can't get the UN security council to allow what we want to do - then we'll just ignore it?
Tronsky
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does anyone believe that the latvian states, poland, or ukraine will will ever acceed to a german-french ultimatum, economic or otherwize?
i wonder what they are thinking in eastern europe.. how very odd it seems... seeing the polarization of europe developing, NATO, the EU.. alliances shifting.. I suspect we will not be lacking for stong staunch allies in europe. I do believe these allies will simply be from places a mite further east than we're used to looking.
and as much as i despise israli policy, i also suspect that washington would take a dim view indeed regarding any franco-prussian agression against isreal... and i tend to agree; the irali's are likely not to need any overt help from us in slapping down any franco-prussian military move.
no military assets on the face of this planet larger than a brigade move without risking notice from sattelites and NSA.
i wonder if any mechanisim exists to effect substantive change in the seating arrangements at the UN secuity council.. i.e. the addition of seats, the removal of seats.. or a change of residence.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Hussien cannot be allowed to ignore the UN security council, unless we can't get the UN security council to allow what we want to do - then we'll just ignore it?
Tronsky
its work for 12 years, why should saddam change now? he has france, germany, russia and china on his side ....
if not for 250,000 troops & the firepower on his doorstep, he wouldn't even have let the inspectors back in ...
time for this pimple on the worlds arse to be popped and forgotten about...
way too much noise and energy for such an idjit ... kill him now pls.
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The french would rather stand on the side of a ruthless murderer than the people who liberated them from the nazi's...
oh dont forget ... when poland was invaded...they didnt want war then either, they didnt honor their pact with poland and as a result the nazis grew even more powerful and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
thanks france...we can always count on you guys. ALWAYS.
as for Germany....they should just mind their business. they have no moral platform to stand on when it comes to ANY discussion of war. after all...what other nation (besides Stalin's russia) has been responsible for as many innocent deaths. (no offence to the Russians here..I can respect them.)
its funny...pacifists are so friggin' nieve.
oh well...in a hundred years they will be even less significant in the world, and we will be even more powerful.
sorry france...you guys are has beens and with this betrayal...you will be even more so. say goodbye to US tourism.
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when poland was invaded...they didnt want war then either, they didnt honor their pact with poland
well.. actually, i believe britan and france immediately declared war. what insued next was the 'phoney war'.. while hitler consolidated his eastern european conquests, the french and germans eyeballed each other over the maginot line.
when the germans were ready, they moved. and they cleaned up the french in about 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by N1kPaz
The french would rather stand on the side of a ruthless murderer than the people who liberated them from the nazi's...
as for Germany....they should just mind their business. they have no moral platform to stand on when it comes to ANY discussion of war. after all...what other nation (besides Stalin's russia) has been responsible for as many innocent deaths. (no offence to the Russians here..I can respect them.)
its funny...pacifists are so friggin' nieve.
(cracks beer)...yep.
I am going to be interested in the reaction of the pacifists when the Iraqis are waving American flags and kissing the GIs again in the streets, just like in the good old days. Won't be long now...we'll see.
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Originally posted by Curval
(cracks beer)...yep.
I am going to be interested in the reaction of the pacifists when the Iraqis are waving American flags and kissing the GIs again in the streets, just like in the good old days. Won't be long now...we'll see.
I wanna see some of those same liberated Iraqi's beating the toejam out of the "human shields" in the streets.
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France could have walked right into western germany with little resistance if they had honored their agreement. The vast majority of german soldiers were occupied with killing in the east. Hell..the toads might have made it all the way to berlin....hehe
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when the germans were ready, they moved. and they cleaned up the french in about 2 weeks.
And the British. So by extension of your argument, the British are incompetent cowards.
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With a some more offensive general in HQ I agree with your Zapkin,but it was not the doctrine at this time.
This was provoqued by:
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- 1.5 million death (+ 500 000 after WWI)
- 6.5 million invalid
- 3 million window
- 6 million orphan
- 1.6 "cancelled" birth
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It's the origin "plus jamais ça" attitude.
this numbers are only for the french.
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not bad for a country that came AFTER the Battle of Britain......when the krauts where already beatin back....
oh ya....ya did win the war ALONE all by yourselves.....arrogant SOB's.
instead of thinkin UN...think WORLD COMMUNITY.....they don't want the war....the MAJORITY of the WORLD doesn't want YOU too press for WAR....is that hard too understand.
keep beatin on the French....since your brain cells count seems to be limited to the power of 1:p
now since CHIMPY is soooooo freakin bright when it comes to Foreign Affairs...with 0 experience....I wouldn't be surprised you make more enemies then friends....oh wait a minute...thats already happening....my bad :D
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Originally posted by SLO
not bad for a country that came AFTER the Battle of Britain......when the krauts where already beatin back....
Battle of Britain, September 1940. The turning point of the war...
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Graph for the e) part :
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lol.....for the English it was:p
oh but wait...wtf do the english have to do with WW2.....my bad.....nothing i guess....since there NOT americans....so nothing important here....move on now...move on :eek:
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Pres. Bush will be on at 8 PM tonight. So , the war is finally here.
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The turning points of WW2 came in middle-to-late 1942 and
early 1943.
I guess Midway, Operation Torch and Stalingrad don't mean
much to you SLO.
Rino
P.S. The tide wasn't turned until after the US entered the war,
Germany and Japan were still in advance mode 12/41.
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Battle of Britain wasn't a turning point. It was a stopping point for German advancement in Western Europe. The Germans still advanced in the Med and in Eastern Europe, while the Japanese still swarmed over the Pacific.
It's beyond asinine to think that any ONE country defeated the Axis in WWII. Without England holding out against Germany, we (Americans) wouldn't have had anywhere to base from to even push on the Western Front. The English held in the Med, disrupting the support coming through Italy until the US could push through North Africa, and then invade Sicily, and then Italy (again, joint operations with the English.) D-Day and the push through the Western Front to Germany was carried out by several nations, not just the USA. The USSR pushed through the Eastern Front (aided by good ol' Mother Nature and her Russian winters.) The RAF and the Australians were active in the China-Burma-India theater (along with the AVG's.)
Make no mistake about it, WWII would not have been won without the USA as Allieds, but the USA did not, and could not have won WWII on their own. Everyone involved played their parts.
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Rino , don't pick on Slo, he is french-canadian and therefore mentally challenged because of inbreeding.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Make no mistake about it, WWII would not have been won without the USA as Allieds, but the USA did not, and could not have won WWII on their own. Everyone involved played their parts.
well said nifty....at least some recognize it:D
nice try at bein witty john:p
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Uum Slo who said John was joking?
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