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Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: hawk220 on March 17, 2003, 08:32:19 AM
'The Mother of All Battles' speech, Part II


Saddam vows to fight 'anywhere'
Sunday, March 16, 2003 Posted: 8:18 PM EST (0118 GMT)



 
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi President Saddam Hussein says his troops would fight any U.S.-led invasion with sticks and knives if necessary and would attack "wherever there was sky, land and water."

"If God wanted, by God, we will fight them with daggers, swords and sticks if the other arms were scarce," Saddam told senior military officers in an appearance broadcast on Iraqi television.

"If the enemy opens the battle on a wide scale, we will open wherever there was sky, land and water on the entire Earth," he added.

The United States and Britain say Iraq has violated U.N. resolutions requiring it give up nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, long-range missiles and efforts to develop nuclear weapons, and have threatened to disarm Iraq by force if necessary.

About 250,000 U.S., British and Australian troops are massed around Iraq in preparation for a possible war.

Saddam again denied U.S. and British allegations that his country has retained stocks of weapons of mass destruction Sunday, calling the accusation "a great lie."

"Are weapons of mass destruction a needle that can be hidden in a head cap or a headdress of an old woman at home and the inspectors can not find them?" he asked.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri said Baghdad was preparing for war and government officials had ordered the distribution of up to five months' worth of food rations to its more than 4 million residents.

"In Iraq, we are ready in two fronts," Sabri said. "First, full cooperation with the inspectors, so that they can fulfill their duties according to the U.N. resolution, and this is a clear commitment.

"On the second front, we are prepared to kill the aggressors in the Iraqi desert. Those who put a foot on Iraq will not leave alive," he said.

In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said it was time for weapons inspectors, aid workers and journalists in Baghdad "to take a look at whether or not it is not time to leave," and suggested that Iraq might try to hold them as hostages.

"My personal advice is they ought to take a hard look at the situation they are in, and it would be probably better for them to start leaving or making plans to leave," Powell told CNN.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Ghosth on March 17, 2003, 09:36:44 AM
You sneak up & jam stick in view slit, or jam it in turret so it won't traverse.
Then hide around back with your knife.

When crewmember pops hatch to remove stick  you cut his throat.

This would then be a great time to have a gernade or Molotov cocktail.

Gurrilla Warfare can & does work. Look at Vietnam.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Hortlund on March 17, 2003, 09:38:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You sneak up & jam stick in view slit, or jam it in turret so it won't traverse.

Yes... some good ideas there.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Pooh21 on March 17, 2003, 09:47:08 AM
"Uhh our turret wont move WTH"

"tank 1 theres a little guy sitting on your turret roof looks like he stuck a stick in turret ring, got buncha little friends around your tracks too hold on 1"

"Brrapp!!" says tank 2s pintle gun
"1 little 2 little 3 little 'raqis!"
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: john9001 on March 17, 2003, 09:48:38 AM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Gurrilla Warfare can & does work. Look at Vietnam.



the viet cong were destroyed in the tet offensive, after tet the north viet regular army did all the fighting for the communists, they lost also , 1 million dead.

but thats history , most of the iraq army has agreed to surrender, saddam only has at most 20,000 men he can count on.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 09:49:04 AM
Don't count on it Oed ...It would be clippable by axis inf. :)
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Post by: Hortlund on March 17, 2003, 09:51:16 AM
I dunno whats more funny, the idea that a wooden stick would jam the turret, or the "vision slits".

But I guess you could bash the prismas with the wooden stick...or at least try.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 09:53:02 AM
He wrote stick not wooden stick ...
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: sling322 on March 17, 2003, 10:27:08 AM
Arent most sticks made of wood?

I mean by definition isnt a stick a piece of a tree and trees are made of wood, right?


from Websters

STICK, n. [G. This word is connected with the verb to stick, with stock, stack, and other words having the like elements. The primary sense of the root is to thrust, to shoot, and to set.]

1. The small shoot or branch of a tree or shrub, cut off; a rod; also, a staff; as, to strike one with a stick.

2. Any stem of a tree, of any size, cut for fuel or timber.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: takeda on March 17, 2003, 10:52:58 AM
A stick, how primitive... why use a stick when you can cover yourself with duct tape?
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: mosgood on March 17, 2003, 10:59:35 AM
The steel stick is an appendage from the metalogia tree family;)
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Ossie on March 17, 2003, 11:05:09 AM
What about a stick from a petrified tree? :D
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Post by: Monk on March 17, 2003, 11:38:12 AM
a stick against a M1.............Bwaahahahahaha:D
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Tuomio on March 17, 2003, 01:13:31 PM
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/nucleari/faust/ultimate_weapons.JPG)

(http://koti.mbnet.fi/nucleari/faust/Finnish_panzerfaust.JPG)

Welcome to the times of modern antitank warfare! :D
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: vorticon on March 17, 2003, 01:20:26 PM
most likely they will just put a stick in the ground and when the m1 clips it at 10 mph it will blow up!!!
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 01:25:16 PM
I am shocked! shocked, I tell you, that Saddam would plagiarize Winston Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" speech.  I wonder if he has suitcases full of gems and cash packed already.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 01:26:40 PM
sling322 : that's the problem when speaking different languages ... from time to time you confuse words ... I was thinking of "barre a mine"

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BARRE À MINE: n. f.
1. T. cour. Longue barre de métal à l'extrémité pointue, utilisée pour tous types de travaux: agriculture ou jardinage, nettoyage de terrains, travaux publics, maçonnerie, etc. […] nous plantons une partie des arbres […]. Chacun y va de sa barre à mine […]. (Les Nouvelles 14-06-1990, 10.)
encycl.: Cette lourde pièce de métal était utilisée autrefois par les mineurs pour détacher les blocs de minerai ou de houille. V. Sabre d'abattis.
2. Cour. Pieu ayant les mêmes fonctions que la barre à mine de métal décrite supra. […] parmi les grands chênes […] où ils taillaient leurs barres à mine […]. (Sénès J. 1987, 115.)


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Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 01:28:29 PM
well we allready know bright orange jackets and bullhorns dont work too good against armor...
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Maverick on March 17, 2003, 01:29:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghosth
You sneak up & jam stick in view slit, or jam it in turret so it won't traverse.
Then hide around back with your knife.

When crewmember pops hatch to remove stick  you cut his throat.

This would then be a great time to have a gernade or Molotov cocktail.

Gurrilla Warfare can & does work. Look at Vietnam.


:rolleyes:

First off, the M1 doesn't have view slits. Those went away after WW2. The M48's and later use view prisms of armored glass. A stick won't even scratch it.
Second, the turret gears are on the INSIDE of the tank and not expopsed to the outside.  Your premise on this level of attack are rather beneath contempt.

Third, tanks do not go anywhere alone. You use the 30 cal to "scratch the back" of a fellow tank, as they did in Viet Nam.

Fourth protecting tanks from infantry is what the friendly infantry is for, as I stated before tanks don't go anywhere alone.

I was in armor and taught briefly at Ft. Knox, but hey far be it from me to correct your ignorance of modern weaponry and tactics.
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 01:51:34 PM
How many of those 400 some odd Iraqi tanks they got left from the last...um...engagement? How many of those Abrams the US lose to Iraqi fire? Anyone know?
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 01:58:32 PM
Here's a brief article that answers my question.

http://www.leyden.com/gulfwar/m1.html
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Hortlund on March 17, 2003, 02:12:02 PM
"1,178 M1A1's were used along with 594 M1-A1 Heavy Armor (HA) tanks"

Anyone care to explain the difference?
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 02:20:39 PM
might the HA version have extra Chobham armor slapped on? I believe the Marine Corps does that with their relatively old M-60's.
Title: So how good is a stick against an M1 Abrahms?
Post by: Ossie on March 17, 2003, 02:23:02 PM
It's actually DU armor.