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Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 12:24:44 PM
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Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: midnight Target on March 17, 2003, 12:25:47 PM
Dammit!


Someone forgot to issue the safety gogggles to those kids!!!
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 12:27:38 PM
Moments later, the Palestinian children took a step away from the bulldozer.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 12:28:37 PM
:D LOL
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 12:28:55 PM
They don't usually use dozers, just bullets.

Throwing rocks is a capital offence.
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Post by: hawk220 on March 17, 2003, 12:30:46 PM
LOL Saur:D
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 12:36:12 PM
There may be more burners of the US flag around the world, who may even gain some media coverage, but also more people around the world who will respect the strength and leadership of the United States.  I dont think there's anything we could do to make those flag burners happy, except to cease to exist.
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Post by: Kanth on March 17, 2003, 12:40:20 PM
umm she's dead now and there are plenty of people to pick on who are alive.
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Post by: -dead- on March 17, 2003, 12:43:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rasker
There may be more burners of the US flag around the world, who may even gain some media coverage, but also more people around the world who will respect the strength and leadership of the United States.
Rrright - like the UN security council for example. ;)
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 12:46:40 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Get used to it.  

 It'll occur more now, all over the world not just in the Middle East, as we shed any good will and friendships the US had.

 Oed


Some of us are used to it, beginning in Iran in 1979, watching 200+ marines die in Lebenon in 1982, on and on....time to stand up and fight back instead of hiding in the corner like a wuss.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 12:47:10 PM
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Originally posted by Kanth
umm she's dead now and there are plenty of people to pick on who are alive.


Yeah, but Im bored of weazel...
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 12:52:05 PM
hey, starting 11 years ago, and intensifying 7 months ago, the United States and its coalition partners gave Saddam every last chance, and we also gave the opponents of *any* military action against Saddam every last chance, and the one chose to play games and the others chose to wear blinders.  Can anyone honestly say that giving Saddam another 30 days could possibly make any difference?  Even Hitler would have taken one of the many outs we offered Saddam.  Therefore this guy is crazier than Hitler, in control of great wealth, and located in a crucial area of the world.  "It's time for him to go" Al Gore - 1992
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 01:16:24 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
So we'll pummel Iraq (who don't stand a chance) but we'll ignore Syria and Saudi Arabia?  

 Oed


Patience grasshopper. ;)
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 01:20:45 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
1.)  I was on a C-47 helo flying support, from ships off shore, to the Marines in Beiruit when the suicide bomber blew up the barracks.    Where were you now?


2.)  From wuss to block bully? BOOO yah!! :rolleyes:  Beat on them like we did Grenada and Panama? Show the little guys what happens when they cross a big guy?   So we'll pummel Iraq (who don't stand a chance) but we'll ignore Syria and Saudi Arabia?  

 Oed


How is what youre criticising in #2 any different from what youre doing in #1?
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 01:22:19 PM
Why should anyone take your comments about Syria and saudi arabia seriously? Lets say we do "deal with" Syria, would any of the left wing complaints change, would the anti-US protests stop, would you or the other BBS libs support it?

I think you are at a loss as to how to deal with Saddam and so, in typical liberal position, you just criticize the USA for not attacking other countries and somehow see this a viable argument.

Be serious here for a moment, how are we to take your criticizm of the suppesdly immoral invasion of one country when your counter propsal is to invade two countries.

Are you that obssessed and myopic to not recogize the hypicricy there?
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Post by: john9001 on March 17, 2003, 01:35:33 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
I was on a C-47 helo flying support, from ships off shore,  



i'm really confused, the USA is still using C-47's and launching them from "ships offshore"?

and "helo" means high altitude/low opening (sky diving) not what the C47 is really good at , why didn't you use C130's ?

and helo ops are special ops used for small sneak attacks, why would you be flying "helo support" when there was no fighting going on ?
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Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 01:49:52 PM
John you  never heard of the CH47 ?

oups the picture was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy to big :)
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 01:50:27 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
I was on a C-47 helo flying support, from ships off shore, to the Marines in Beiruit when the suicide bomber blew up the barracks.    Where were you now?

 Oed


I was doing your girlfriend at home keeping her happy. :rolleyes:

And its CH-47, not "C-47"...isn't the internet great? You can be anyone you like...:rolleyes: :cool:
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 01:50:43 PM
Sanctions are working? How?  If they are working so well why have they been in place for 12 years?
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 01:56:41 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
[B
  As for the Iraqi people? Wrong tree. You can't win someone thier right to freedom and release from oppression. They have to want it badly enough to do it for themselves.
 
  Oed [/B]


So the Iraqi people have to take on Saddam's machinery of torture and oppression by themselves?  Is that a fair fight?  I guess the French fleet and troops that helped America win independence were either mistaken or unsporting; or were they possibly acting in France's interests, just as we are about to act in the interest of the United States and other peace- and freedom-loving nations of the world.
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Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 01:59:35 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Sanctions are working? How?  If they are working so well why have they been in place for 12 years?


Because saddam don't care of all of his citizen dying ...
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 02:05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort


And its CH-47, not "C-47"...isn't the internet great? You can be anyone you like...:rolleyes: :cool:


Oh man!  Rip goes for the throat here... I wonder if Voss flew top cover?  :confused:
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Post by: SaburoS on March 17, 2003, 02:06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rasker
There may be more burners of the US flag around the world, who may even gain some media coverage, but also more people around the world who will respect the strength and leadership of the United States.  I dont think there's anything we could do to make those flag burners happy, except to cease to exist.


Respect? LOL. How about Fear instead. There is a big difference between the two.
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 02:08:17 PM
as long as those who hate us also fear us, I'll settle for that :)
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Post by: Curval on March 17, 2003, 02:09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Throwing rocks is a capital offence.


...and it is also the height of STUPIDITY when throwing those rocks at armed soldiers.

They should give all those idiots who do so Darwin awards.
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 02:11:13 PM
btw, I dont feel all that much need to have Saddam's apologists respect the US.  They have shown a lack of judgement that has discredited them before the reasonable parts of the world.  When the evidence of their dirty dealings is exposed, the world will know the reason why.
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: SaburoS on March 17, 2003, 02:11:15 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
i'm really confused, the USA is still using C-47's and launching them from "ships offshore"?

and "helo" means high altitude/low opening (sky diving) not what the C47 is really good at , why didn't you use C130's ?

and helo ops are special ops used for small sneak attacks, why would you be flying "helo support" when there was no fighting going on ?


john9001,
You do mean "HALO" not "HELO," no?
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Post by: SaburoS on March 17, 2003, 02:15:08 PM
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Originally posted by Curval
...and it is also the height of STUPIDITY when throwing those rocks at armed soldiers.

They should give all those idiots who do so Darwin awards.


I don't have a problem if an invading rock throwers get shot at. Thrown rocks and bottles are weapons in my book.
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 02:15:31 PM
This incessantly stupid "well neither does the US" or  "USA has nukes too" so we cant do anything left wing arguing syle is getting ridiculous.  

If this isnt a regonized fallacy then they should add it to the list.
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 02:16:53 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
"Because saddam don't care of all of his citizen dying ..."

 And neither does the US.

Oed

????

I don't think there is a lot a children starving in the US (I hope)
Concerning soldier that's another matter for all governement (mine included) it's only a tool ...
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 02:17:10 PM
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Just saw your post Ripsnort.  I think Creamo is right about you after all.  



Oh, gee, someone on the BBS that agrees with Creamo...that hurt , that really hurt. :rolleyes:  Thats gonna make a fine quote in my siggy though! :)

LOL Saur on "Voss as top cover" ;)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 02:23:19 PM
And Rip I was the pilot of his B-47 Huey on that operation,  or as we say in the company "op"...    So I can vouch for him.  Voss was there too and he swept the sky clear of those radio controled hizbullah fighers. :D
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Post by: Kanth on March 17, 2003, 02:28:11 PM
What's stopping us from just carpet bombing the whole state and calling it good then?


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Originally posted by Oedipus
"Because saddam don't care of all of his citizen dying ..."

 And neither does the US.

Oed
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Post by: Kanth on March 17, 2003, 02:37:34 PM
The land isn't worth a whole lot now.

instead of carpet bombing we just nuke it...that's cheaper..

why don't we?

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Originally posted by Oedipus
The cost?

And what worth is land after it's been pounded into a sand quarry?

Oed
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Post by: BGBMAW on March 17, 2003, 02:41:02 PM
LMFAO..."vAss flew to cover"...


that sis the funniest thing here...


lolololololololo


BiGB
xoxo

greenheart..you are a funny man..thnk u:D
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: funkedup on March 17, 2003, 02:42:37 PM
"DETH TO AMREEKA!!!"
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 02:44:18 PM
Don't worry Oed, this is Ripsnort. Tough talking, yet never served in the military, Ripsnort. The same guy who will email you and personally attack your wife, yet preach about godliness and light.

Like anybody really thought you meant you were flying goons.
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: Yeager on March 17, 2003, 02:55:50 PM
Thats a picture of the 23 yrd old woman from Olympia WA who was later squashed under a Isreali bulldozer.

After seeing that pic of her burning a symbloc US flag, with that crazy fanatic look on her face...I say great!  WTG Bulldozer.
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 02:58:52 PM
Do the women get 72 virgin men also? Maybe that'd only be in hell.
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:03:29 PM
72 virgins is an urban myth.

Yeager - that looks nothing like her.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 03:03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Thats a picture of the 23 yrd old woman from Olympia WA who was later squashed under a Isreali bulldozer.

After seeing that pic of her burning a symbloc US flag, with that crazy fanatic look on her face...I say great!  WTG Bulldozer.


And shes the only fanatic.  Notice how calm and collected the other children are?  They've obviously learned when to STFU and get out of the way.

The look on the kids face in the lower left hand corner is priceless.  Who's a photoshop expert?  That kid is begging for a speech bubble that reads "Crazy Americans."
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 03:05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Don't worry Oed, this is Ripsnort. Tough talking, yet never served in the military, Ripsnort. The same guy who will email you and personally attack your wife, yet preach about godliness and light.

Like anybody really thought you meant you were flying goons.


What? Just because I didn't get a mail order bride makes me a bad guy? :D  Of course Dowding conveniently dismisses YEARS of Creamo harassment, but lets not bring that up in this thread, shall we Young one? ;)
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:07:24 PM
Laugh all you want. You acted like a schmuck and were called on it. It makes your holier-than-thou attitude all the more hilarious.

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Of course Dowding conveniently dismisses YEARS of Creamo harassment...


Attacking a person is all well and good. Attacking someone's wife is out of order. It's called decency.
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 03:08:55 PM
AKIron she gets 72 men.  Heaven for them, Hell for her.  :)
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 03:10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
It makes your holier-than-thou attitude all the more hilarious.
 


I love irony.
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:12:19 PM
Have I ever attacked anyone's wife? That's what we are talking about here.
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 03:15:37 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
72 virgins is an urban myth.

Yeager - that looks nothing like her.


Are you saying that it's a myth that many Muslims believe it or that what many Muslims believe is a myth? It is still taught and believed by many Muslims that martyrs will receive this reward.

An excerpt from here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html

The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 03:15:45 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Have I ever attacked anyone's wife? That's what we are talking about here.


No, you were just hijacking the thread for your own sick way of thinking...(And thks to those who sent me over 30 emails of support during that fiasco for "about time you stuck it to him like he has to you for years")
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:17:38 PM
Oed - no problem. Ironically, Ripsnort usually rattles on about shaking veteran's hands on Veteran's Day and getting all misty eyed.

If he had any respect, he would keep his doubts to himself, just in case he was completely wrong.
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 03:24:38 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Oed - no problem. Ironically, Ripsnort usually rattles on about shaking veteran's hands on Veteran's Day and getting all misty eyed.

If he had any respect, he would keep his doubts to himself, just in case he was completely wrong.


I shake any man in uniforms hand...just did today at lunch, and wished the young gentleman 'Good luck, and there are those like I who support you at home".

Now, here Dowding, have a big cup of ....bah, you bloody young college boys at worth a cup. ;)
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:24:51 PM
I'm not sure how many Muslims believe it. I'm pretty sure it's not a key tenet of Islam, but then the fundamentalists are bound to take it completely literally.
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:25:47 PM
Shut up old man. ;)
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 17, 2003, 03:26:42 PM
Thank you! I equate "old" with "Smarter than your brain-washed ass" :D
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Post by: Dowding on March 17, 2003, 03:29:00 PM
I don't know what that means, but once I'm an octogenarian like yourself I'll surely find out. ;)
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Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 03:37:07 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Are you saying that it's a myth that many Muslims believe it or that what many Muslims believe is a myth? It is still taught and believed by many Muslims that martyrs will receive this reward.

An excerpt from here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html

The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."


You answered your own question in this reply (in the quoted part ).

How come you've missed it ?????
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Post by: Kanth on March 17, 2003, 03:38:12 PM
They don't have control of the water in the region, Turkey does.

It flows down into Iraq from Turkey.

 But you are right we could just poison their water supply, much cheaper than carpet bombing..

wonder why we don't do that? After all we don't care about their civilians.

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Originally posted by Oedipus
"why don't we? "

  Because they want something. What that is I'm not sure. I don't think it's oil at all. And I have seen speculation that control of the water in the region will wield far more power than crude. As I said elsewhere. We'll find out 40-50 years from now.
Oed
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 04:08:27 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
You answered your own question in this reply (in the quoted part ).

How come you've missed it ?????


I musta missed it again Straffo. Dowding said the 72 virgins was an urban myth. By that I thought (but didn't know) that he meant the west had created the myth about what the Muslims believe. However,  he could also have meant that the 72 virgins are an "urban myth" believed by the Muslims. Just wanted clarification before refuting his rather uninformed claim.
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 04:12:02 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Shame on you people that laugh and joke about a woman being crushed under a bulldozer. What was she guilty of? Protesting? Well so was this guy, and even the Klingon'ish Chinese didn't crush him. Shame on you sick diddlyers!


I had a friend that wrote a computer game for the Atari ST when that occurred. In the game you manuvered tanks around the square and gained points by squashing demonstrators. Needless to say it wasn't marketed and I refused to play it, well maybe just the once. ;)
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Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 04:17:07 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I musta missed it again Straffo. Dowding said the 72 virgins was an urban myth. By that I thought (but didn't know) that he meant the west had created the myth about what the Muslims believe. However,  he could also have meant that the 72 virgins are an "urban myth" believed by the Muslims. Just wanted clarification before refuting his rather uninformed claim.


The 72 virgin were created by some interpreter of the Coran and are not in the Coran as the article pointed.

My muslim friend think this is pure roadkill and a weird and twisted interpretation of Mahomet word.

There is many interpretation of Mahomet word exactly like there is many interpretation of Jesus word ...

For exemple it's like confusing a Calvinist interpretation with a Catholic roman interpretation .
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 04:35:51 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
The 72 virgin were created by some interpreter of the Coran and are not in the Coran as the article pointed.

My muslim friend think this is pure roadkill and a weird and twisted interpretation of Mahomet word.

There is many interpretation of Mahomet word exactly like there is many interpretation of Jesus word ...

For exemple it's like confusing a Calvinist interpretation with a Catholic roman interpretation .


No argument from me as to whether it's a distortion. Only matters if folks believe it, and I think many do.
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Post by: straffo on March 17, 2003, 04:47:20 PM
some is not all ...


=>off to bed now .
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Post by: rc51 on March 17, 2003, 04:51:38 PM
America
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Post by: Curval on March 17, 2003, 04:51:56 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Shame on you people that laugh and joke about a woman being crushed under a bulldozer. What was she guilty of? Protesting? Well so was this guy, and even the Klingon'ish Chinese didn't crush him. Shame on you sick diddlyers!


GScholtz...that guy probably didn't last too long.  Those tank were on the way to Tienamin (sp?) Square.  Remember that place? Thousands were massacred by the Chinese govt.

Fact is those tankers were probably so shocked that some guy had the guts to stand in front of them they had no idea what to do.  Once the shooting started they knew alright though.

BAD example.
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Post by: Eaglecz on March 17, 2003, 05:00:08 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
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very nice girl

where is she from ?
is she single ? :D
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 05:00:57 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding


Yeager - that looks nothing like her.



Wrong! That most definitely is her...   Its funny how OZ though was the one getting brainwashed - that picture tells another story entirely...

BTW explain why you didnt want to believe it was her - does the hateful fanaticism stain your wetdream of a pretty young "peace" activist?
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Post by: Eaglecz on March 17, 2003, 05:01:10 PM
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Originally posted by rc51
America


yes average american girl .... actualy keep her, coz she is useless on other places but infront of camera
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 05:05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
yes average american girl .... actualy keep her, coz she is useless on other places but infront of camera


They dont allow secretaries under desks in Russia?
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Post by: Eaglecz on March 17, 2003, 05:06:16 PM
she is may be a bit more fanatic... but shes realy nice :)
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Post by: Eaglecz on March 17, 2003, 05:08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
They dont allow secretaries under desks in Russia?


oohhh they do :D

but rissian girls are very pretty they do not need nice wallpaper behind them to be attractive :D

they have a bit more eyebrown, so they do not appear to have leukemia in last stage  :D

so you do not have to wash them before use.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 05:10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
she is may be a bit more fanatic... but shes realy nice :)


Yea she was, bet the next suicide bomber is up for a treat....
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Post by: Eaglecz on March 17, 2003, 05:14:29 PM
make suicide for her black eys ???? ...... ummm YES ... what do you wanne me to bomb ?????????? :D :D
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 05:30:31 PM
actually i recall seeing pictures of mashed remains of Tienamen protesters. Those pictures had been smuggled out of China before the news embargo.

Her picture makes me think she wasnt any naive peacenik, that she deliberately chose death.  The dozer driver might not have been able to stop.
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Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2003, 05:33:44 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
but rissian girls are very pretty


My youngest son, 19, has a steady girlfriend who came to the US from Russia when she was 10. Can't argue, she is pretty. :)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 05:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
No Cuval, good example. Yes the Chinese shot a lot of protestors, just like the Israelis (Klingons remember) BUT even the Chinese stopped short of deliberately mashing people under their tank tracks ... unlike the Israelis (ok it's a bulldozer, not a tank, but it still has tracks).


No GScholz they deliberatly ran many people over during the protest - the picture you showed was an aberation just like showing a picture of one holocaust survivor in an attempt to say no genocide happend.

And why are you so convinced the bulldozer driver deliberatly ran her over. Even the reports from the girls leftist buddies state that she fell down to the ground before any part of the dozer touched her - I think it's very likely that he just lost sight of her and thought she moved away.  

Either way as of last night I considered my intial reaction to her death to have been innapropriate  and very disgusting, but this morning I saw that picture of her and now I realize my intial judgement of her character was spot on.  In fact i'd call her death another victory on the war on terror - she has in this or other incidents directly protected the property of terrorists.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 05:50:48 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
11 people were killed by tank overruns. Most of them in traffic accidents on the road to Tiananmen Square.


So you actually belive that BS from the communists?  Tanks and/or APC were rolling over people throughout the night.
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Post by: Curval on March 17, 2003, 05:53:16 PM
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Originally posted by Rasker
actually i recall seeing pictures of mashed remains of Tienamen protesters. Those pictures had been smuggled out of China before the news embargo.


Yep...sorry GScholtz...it was a bad example.
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Post by: Rasker on March 17, 2003, 06:01:50 PM
I'd read that the Reds had managed to identify "Tank-Stopper-Man" and were actively hunting him down inside China.  I haven't heard that he ever made it out, and believe me, that would have been big news.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 06:12:33 PM
Why are you so certain it was deliberate?
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Post by: Curval on March 17, 2003, 06:25:16 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hmm Cuval, ok for the sake of argument lets say the Chinese deliberately overran protestors then. My example stands, I'll just amend my comparison; the Israelis are "just" as bad as the Chinese at Tienanmen, not "worse".


Well, okay, that is your opinion.

But I think your original point was that people were laughing at the woman who got bulldozed and that annoyed you, which I respect.

But comparing Israel to the Chinese is way off base.  It just makes you come off as being anti-Jewish.
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 06:31:56 PM
the chinese tank unit shown in that picture was replaced.. with chinese units that did in fact crush protestors. wholesale.

the individual depicted was arrested and executed.

the troops that refused orders were executed.

china is not a nice place.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 06:35:28 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Can anyone explain to me why the Israelis are demolishing Palestinian homes anyway? Anyone know a reason?


They are homes of terrorits.


Nah just kidding, that makes far too much sense...


They pick homes randomy out of the palesteinn phone book.


Feel better now?
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Post by: Nashwan on March 17, 2003, 07:26:43 PM
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Can anyone explain to me why the Israelis are demolishing Palestinian homes anyway? Anyone know a reason?

A small number of demolitions are carried out against the property of terrorists, or their families. A larger number are against building or farmland which the IDF believes have been used to shoot at them. The vast majority are on houses which have no permit (almost impossible to get a permit if you're an Arab), or are in the way of a new settlement, expansion of a settlement, by pass road for a settlement, or area of land reserved for a settlement.

42% of the West Bank is now territory zoned for Israeli settlers, their crops, and roads.

Strangely enough, the IDF never carries out demolitions of Jewish terrorists property, eg Baruch Goldstein, who murdered 29 people in a mosque, let alone collective punishements of settlements, like the Hebronites, who have carried out numerous pogroms against the Arabs.
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Post by: rc51 on March 17, 2003, 07:40:55 PM
one flat chink LOL
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on March 17, 2003, 08:54:20 PM
She's cute ... what a waste :(
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 09:13:10 PM
g; you seem to be enjoying yourself immensely with those photos.

why doncha try jerkin yerself off with those pics for awile.

they ain't doing anything for us.
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Post by: Toad on March 17, 2003, 09:20:25 PM
I haven't really followed the story. Heard about it, didn't research it.

My first thought was somewhere a Mother and Father are asking themselves how and why their daughter ended up trying to stop a 'dozer by standing in front of it.

I wonder why she didn't just move out of the way? How fast was it moving?

Did someone somewhere inculcate values and views in her that it would be a good thing to die for this cause in this way?

As to the photos, are they in some sort of timeline or sequence? Is the time line known?

The dirt and roots piled up in the first picture are nowhere to be seen in the other two.

In the second pic, the dozer is well away from the person.

Does anyone know what actually happened there?
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Post by: Toad on March 17, 2003, 09:32:14 PM
Seems there'd be more to it than that.

I'm sure most of us have watched dozers at work. It's like snails moving, not cheetahs.

Any reports to why she didn't just step aside? First picture looks like she's on the edge of the work area.

Any idea how long between the first pic and the second?
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 09:37:20 PM
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Hangtime, that says a lot more about you than it does me.


it says i'm sick and tired of seeing images of dead american women and kids, amazinhunk.

shall i put up pics of slaughtered norwegians?

whatever the reason for her death. the fact is enough. you don't need to assail us with the pictures over and over, spreading them from thread to thread.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 09:43:36 PM
Damit Toad shut up! Stop trying to figure out what really happend here - the facts are obvious and the american ally is evil. Jeez its clear that the bulldozer was mercilessy running down these people no matter where they went.

Now lets all focus on the real problem - how to keep saddam hussein in power in the face all this 12 year 17 UN resolutiun USA  headlong premature rush to war. I hear the 3rd Republican Guard division needs some human shelds infront of its T72s which are used to store organic baby milk formula and medicines for the elderly...


Gscholz:

Youb asked why they were bulldozing these homes and i told you. I knew you wouldnt like answer so I provided one mora palatible to your prejudices. You then called me names, that was uncalled for.
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Post by: -dead- on March 17, 2003, 09:46:17 PM
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Originally posted by Curval
Well, okay, that is your opinion.

But I think your original point was that people were laughing at the woman who got bulldozed and that annoyed you, which I respect.

But comparing Israel to the Chinese is way off base.  It just makes you come off as being anti-Jewish.
I reckon it makes him come off as being anti Chinese ;)
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Post by: Toad on March 17, 2003, 10:04:31 PM
She sat down in front of the dozer and then got run over?

Going to be tough now to counter the claim of the driver that he didn't see her, no matter whether he actually saw her or not.

You have to admit, that was not a very smart move. It might show the depth of her conviction but it really isn't too smart.

Anyone that's actually done any real work around heavy equipment, from dozers to farm machinery to airplanes on the ramp has got to be shaking their head in amazement at this woman's lack of common sense.

I pulled into a gate at JFK just seconds after a ramp guy at the next gate turned his back on the nosegear of an L1011 as it was being pushed back. A moment's inattention was all it took along with just a small misstep. He got run over too.

Purely an accident. This one is never going to be determined for certain either way. Each side will make it's claims and counter claims and there'll be no proof either way. That's my prediction.

One things for sure. It doesn't pay to be careless or foolish around heavy equipment.

IMO, sitting down in front of it was the latter.
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 10:07:11 PM
you still don't get it, you nazi loving piece of toejam.

i was in NYC on 9/11. and 9/12. and 9/13. and 9/14. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH..  

you wanna push buttons, you do this for some sense of diddlyin accomplishment? you wanna know why we HATE? Why we go to WAR?

diddlyin toejam like you is WHY. amazinhunks with NO diddlyIN CONCEPT OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LIVE THIS NIGHTMARE.

up to this moment in time i hoped to never see such scenes repeated anywhere.. ever again. now you sprinkle this toejam in front of me. taunt me with it. you revel in it. i see it every diddlying godamned night.

now, i find myself hoping this nightmare comes to your home next.

"Hell kids see things like this regularly here."

you are truly a diddlying piece of toejam, you know that? I hope it's your kids next, looking at YOUR crushed corpse being hauled from the wreckage..
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Post by: Toad on March 17, 2003, 10:12:11 PM
Easy, Hang.

Simmah Dahn Nah!

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Let's not be wishing for more, eh? The world plate is sort of full right now.

;)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 10:43:21 PM
So you are critical of any use of violence?

Thats the stupidest thging I ever heard.

In fact it was the same attitudes of smug euros like you for 5 years that made it neccesarry for you to even be scooping up kids guts in Tuzla - what a brilliant self reproducing ideology. WTG Europe!!!
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 10:47:44 PM
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I have more pictures if you want to see. How a nice piccy of Sgt. Tonstad after he got a leg, an arm and both kidneys ripped out by shrapnel, or perhaps some of the other three friends I lost to Serb and Bosnian shelling.


yah. put that one up. friend of yours?? how kind of you to offer to share that with us. bet his family will be glad yah did. go ahead. revel in it. roll in your sick toejam, nazi lover. Got pics of yer friends? put those up too, dead. send 'em to their wives, kids, families...

you piece of diddlying filth.
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Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 10:49:01 PM
correction.

you lying[/i] piece of diddlying filth.
Title: What can we say about this picture?
Post by: Hangtime on March 17, 2003, 10:52:03 PM
yer welcome to come give it a try, pinhead.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 10:58:07 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Look up the word "critical" Grun, you piece of toejam. Clue: It doesn't mean refusal or never.


Yea you are right, it just means "critical", as in lets twiddle our thumbs for 5 years as 200,000 people get killed while we critically discuss the moraity of sophisticated western european violence over caffe and croissants...  I have no doubt you euros think war is bad, you wait and wait and wait and let it develop so far as to become a disaster before you even consider urging the USA to come over and do the hard work for you.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 17, 2003, 11:07:45 PM
GScholz I sense you are a good guy and I like you and I'm sorry for my outburst at you.

I still disagree but i wanted to say that before the negative personal aspects go too far.

Just saying I'm not sure this euro tendency to delay the decision point is very intelligent, just look at the disasters of rent memory to see what I mean.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2003, 11:29:03 PM
GScholz... get those pictures off this BBS.

What people like you never seem to recognize is THE LINE you are NOT to cross.  The young woman underneath the bulldozer suffered the same disease because she bought into the same roadkill propaganda as you.

Edited for language.