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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on March 17, 2003, 07:20:18 PM
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WTG Bush.
Go get him America.
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He really practiced for this one. Took his time, didn't mess up... guess people will have to debate real issues this time, instead of his public speaking abilities.
-SW
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locally here they interviewed a anti-war group after the speech...they said they are afraid for the iraqi children.
had to be said :)
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Ping pong anyone? (http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3)
www.kvi.com (http://www.kvi.com/x2977.xml?ParentPageID=x3259&ContentID=x3503&Layout=KVI.xsl&AdGroupID=x3248)
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That was good Rockstar, thanks for the link.
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Thank you, Rockstar. That finally puts a face and a voice to Blitz. ;)
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Originally posted by Curval
WTG Bush.
Go get him America.
Thank you Curval, I hope everything works out for everyone.
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'nickelodeon diplomacy'
ROFL!!!
'explain to me how you can achieve peace and justice in iraq while saddam hussein remains in power'
'blah blah blah, giggle giggle, blah blah blah.'
'can you answer the question little girl?'
'blah blah blah, i am not a little girl'
'the peace movement cannot even justify it's own name, little girl'.
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For your listening enjoyment 'saddams song'. Didn't hear curse words but it's kinda, how should i put it, primitive yet gets right to the point.
He's Sparticus! (http://dan5.server101.com/download/saddam.htm)
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Originally posted by Kanth
locally here they interviewed a anti-war group after the speech...they said they are afraid for the iraqi children.
had to be said :)
"Sanctions are the economic nuclear bomb."
-- Mairead Maguire, Nobel Peace Laureate, returning from a March 1999 visit to Iraq.
Harper's Magazine
November 2002
Cool War: Economic sanctions as a weapon of mass destruction
By Joy Gordon.
"Since the U.N. adopted economic sanctions in 1945, in its charter, as a means of maintaining global order, it has used them fourteen times (twelve times since 1990). But only those sanctions imposed on Iraq have been comprehensive, meaning that virtually every aspect of the country's imports and exports is controlled, which is particularly damaging to a country recovering from war. Since the program began, an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five have died as a result of the sanctions -- almost three times as many as the number of Japanese killed during the U.S. atomic bomb attacks."
Looks like we should fear for the children regardless of war.
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which is yet one more reason why we are going after saddam now.
saddam, the french, the germans and the russians are not in the slightest put out by the sanctions. in fact, they prospered under the sanctions. economic warfare has not worked. saddam gets palaces with french, german, russian 'oil for food' deals.
the suffering will be over soon.
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Outstanding link. Weazel, stop wispering in your daughter's ear when she calls radio stations.
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ocally here they interviewed a anti-war group after the speech...they said they are afraid for the iraqi children.
Huh? Is Micheal Jackson going to be going over there?
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Originally posted by Toad
Thank you, Rockstar. That finally puts a face and a voice to Blitz. ;)
dip, de, dip, de, dip Bonannnnnnnnnnnnnnza
Glad ya liked it Toad :D
Regards Blitz
Wipe out the Evil :D
America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous
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Nikelodian Diplomacy. LOL
I like that one.
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Originally posted by Rockstar
Ping pong anyone? (http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3)
www.kvi.com (http://www.kvi.com/x2977.xml?ParentPageID=x3259&ContentID=x3503&Layout=KVI.xsl&AdGroupID=x3248)
Real good link.
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Hey, I found some sig line material from GWB.
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Iraq is not a terrorist state, any more than Saudi is.
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Doesn't the royal family of Saudi Arabia reward the families of Palestinian suicide murderers with thousands of dollars?
Iraq does as well.
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Has this money that is reported to be given to the families of suicide bombers ever actually been seen to be given?
Personally, I've yet to hear of a single case, with corroborating evidence.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Has this money that is reported to be given to the families of suicide bombers ever actually been seen to be given?
Personally, I've yet to hear of a single case, with corroborating evidence.
Now you're stretching. I love seeing the other side of an argument so backed into a corner, they resort to this logic.
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Originally posted by Curval
Re: Liked it..especially when he addressed the Iraqi people.
I haven't seen it, but that sounds like the address made by GB1 12 years ago. He began a sentence in the middle of his address by saying: "People of Iraq, we have no quarrel with you" etc., and went on to add that it was the Iraqi leaders that were the only target.
The real worries are going to be Iraqi sabotage of oil installations, and chemical weapons. But wait - Saddam says they don't have any - lol.
Let's hope the job can be finished this time, now that the Unnecessary Nannies are out of the way.
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Now you're stretching. I love seeing the other side of an argument so backed into a corner, they resort to this logic.
Backed into a corner? Don't flatter yourself.
So asking for evidence of a claim is now unreasonable? You could run a court system based on that principle. You wouldn't be the first, however. Saddam has beaten you to it.
Now there's irony.
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Saddam Is Sending Money to Families of Suicide Bombers
Saturday, July 27, 2002
By Jennifer Griffin
GAZA — The friendship between Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat dates back to the Gulf War.
Arafat stood by Hussein through that time, and Palestinians cheered when Iraqi Scuds landed on Tel Aviv.
Now Hussein is returning the favor, sending $25,000 checks to the families of suicide bombers and $10,000 to those killed attacking Israel.
At a ceremony on Monday in Gaza, three Palestinian families received checks. Their sons belonged to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
One recipient of the money was Fayez Shehade, the brother of the top Hamas commander assassinated by Israeli F-16 jets Monday night. His son was killed carrying out an attack in March on Israeli soldiers patrolling near a Jewish settlement. His mother said her son was defending her honor after Israel's soldiers ransacked their home looking for the Hamas leader.
Asked whether Hussein was simply using the Palestinian people by buying their friendship, Amina Shehade said no.
"To the contrary, he is in the same situation as us," Shehade said. "He is under siege and we are under siege. We are under attack and he is under attack."
From the Palestinian perspective, Iraq is the only Arab nation that hasn’t forgotten them in the last two years.
Other Arab states pledge millions each year to help the Palestinians, but the money never shows up. When Saddam Hussein promises them money, he delivers.
In two years, the Iraqi leader has signed more than 500 checks for a total of $20 million distributed at ceremonies attended by top officials from Arafat's Palestinian Authority.
Speakers at these gatherings deliver blistering attacks against President Bush and America for supporting Israel.
Shehade said the Palestinian people will rally around Hussein if the U.S. ever attacks him.
"Our support will be for Saddam," Shehade said. "He is for us a symbol, a father, and a leader because he is the one who feels our pain."
Saddam hopes that pain expressed for Palestinians throughout the Arab streets will turn into support for him if America strikes Iraq. That’s what he’s banking on.
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Can I have a source on that please? You didn't post where that report came from.
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sorry. I found it from several different news sources in several different countries. The one I copied is this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58871,00.html but they all say basically the same thing. It was apparently several seperate incidents.
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Here's another for you.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,912938,00.html
Another. AP, so your 'ACHTUNG ACHTUNG BIASED NEWS SOURCE' alert doesn't go off.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030313/ap_wo_en_ge/me_gen_palestinians_saddam_s_money_3
Here's one from Reuters, written by an Arab:
Palestinians Receive Checks From Hussein
By Nidal Mughrabi
Reuters
Thursday, March 13, 2003; Page A15
GAZA CITY, March 12 -- Palestinian families, one related to a suicide bomber and 22 others whose relatives were killed by Israeli forces, received $245,000 in checks from Iraq today, underscoring President Saddam Hussein's support for the Palestinian revolt even as he faces the prospect of a U.S.-led war to destroy his government.
The family of a Palestinian suicide bomber received a check for $25,000. The other 22 families, of Palestinian fighters or civilians killed during Israeli army ground attacks or airstrikes, received $10,000 each.
Another AP release:
Iraq stepping up support of Palestinian uprising
By IBRAHIM HAZBOUN
The Associated Press
9/13/02 7:31 AM
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Iraq has increased its payments to Palestinians and is supporting their uprising against Israel in other ways, a Palestinian activist said Friday, also hinting that Iraq is supplying arms.
Iraq has been giving money to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers and others killed in the two-year conflict with Israel, but now it is increasing the payments, said Ibrahim Zannen, a spokesman for the pro-Iraq Arab Liberation Army in Gaza.
Asked about Iraqi weapons shipments to the Palestinians, Zannen said, "Iraq is supporting the Palestinian uprising by all means."
Dowding, please let me know if you'd like more links. I understand that Iraq supporting terrorists is hard to swallow. I almost didn't believe it myself.
Pffft.
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Dowding has been getting desperate lately.
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I noticed.
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engine can you search before 2002 please.
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Originally posted by straffo
engine can you search before 2002 please.
Are you joking? So now when there are proof that Saddam gives money to the families of the Suicide bombers (something I dindt think anybody doubted since Tareq Azis himself has acknowledged that fact) you are still not satisifed?
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I pointed that it was propaganda from Saddam trying to get support of the other extremist muslim.
The same extremist muslim he killed in his own country to have full control of Iraq.
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dowding.. one minor correction... iraq will not be a terrorist state once sadman and his ilk are removed.
lazs
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Yep now that the sanctions will most likely end along with Saddam, and now that we are bringing food and medicine to the people, is the time to worry for the children.
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"Sanctions are the economic nuclear bomb."
-- Mairead Maguire, Nobel Peace Laureate, returning from a March 1999 visit to Iraq.
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Harper's Magazine
November 2002
Cool War: Economic sanctions as a weapon of mass destruction
By Joy Gordon.
"Since the U.N. adopted economic sanctions in 1945, in its charter, as a means of maintaining global order, it has used them fourteen times (twelve times since 1990). But only those sanctions imposed on Iraq have been comprehensive, meaning that virtually every aspect of the country's imports and exports is controlled, which is particularly damaging to a country recovering from war. Since the program began, an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five have died as a result of the sanctions -- almost three times as many as the number of Japanese killed during the U.S. atomic bomb attacks."
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Looks like we should fear for the children regardless of war.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Iraq is not a terrorist state, any more than Saudi is.
You going to amend this or not?
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Did you note, that guy want to remove sadam ?? he is not interesting in American renew program or money, or what ever
as he said.. remove Sadam
and now think carefuly about you next whine, coz this is not that thing, what rest world doesnt like on americans...
everybody agree with removing sadam, whats diferent between us is, how to do it and what to do then.
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Originally posted by Engine
You going to amend this or not?
ofcourse Saudi isnt terrorist state, because it do bussines with US :D
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
everybody agree with removing sadam, whats diferent between us is, how to do it and what to do then.
How do you suggest it be done? By asking nicely?:rolleyes:
What to do then? Drill boy, drill!
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Certainly not. Saudi Arabia has terrorist camps, indirectly provides funding for terrorists and 75% of the 9-11 attackers were Saudi born.
British intelligence concluded that any relationship between Saddam and Al Queda floundered because of ideological differences. I also think Saddam is a maniac but he's not stupid. He wouldn't use terrorists because he knows it would be the end of him.
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I give you 4 links about Iraq arming and funding terrorists, and you give me a line about how Iraq doesn't use terrorists?
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Giving money to the families of terrorists isn't the same as training them, as reprehensible as it might be.
I also don't think it will encourage people to blow themselves up. They seem pretty intent on doing that regardless of money, as one of your links pointed out. Money is nothing to them when your home can be bulldozed or bombed at will.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Giving money to the families of terrorists isn't the same as training them, as reprehensible as it might be.
I also don't think it will encourage people to blow themselves up. They seem pretty intent on doing that regardless of money, as one of your links pointed out. Money is nothing to them when your home can be bulldozed or bombed at will.
Funding terrorism and giving terrorism incentive is participating in terrorism.
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That might actually be true. It's a shame the US government didn't realise that when it came to IRA sympathisers in the US.
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our government funds IRA sympathizers?
News to me. How about a link?
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I didn't say that.
Funding terrorism and giving terrorism incentive is participating in terrorism.
Many American citizens were active IRA terrorists and should have been prosecuted by the US government, going by your own logic.
Years after the Omagh bombing, Real IRA members were given access visas to the US. This was finally sorted shortly before Sept. 11th.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I didn't say that.
Many American citizens were active IRA terrorists and should have been prosecuted by the US government, going by your own logic.
Years after the Omagh bombing, Real IRA members were given access visas to the US. This was finally sorted shortly before Sept. 11th.
I don't know enough about this to speak on it without researching it.
However, by your own words, it was sorted out. Therefore, is no longer an issue.
If Saddam had "sorted out" his problems also, we wouldn't be going to war.
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The money is a direct reward for terrorism. Distinctions between whether he supports or trains them are irrelevant, as irrelevant as what the Palestinians would or would not do. My point is that Saddam still encourages and gives aid to them.
Your response? "Represhensible, but he still doesn't use terrorists."
Saddam supports terrorism. This is just one instance that we know of. It's naive to assume there are not others.
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Martlet - It took them 30 years but they finally got there!
It's naive to assume there are not others.
That does not mean it is logical to assume there are others.