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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sturm on March 27, 2001, 12:18:00 PM
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12 303's Hurricane/tiffie or the 8 303's version of the spit, to me higher ROF and multiple gun points suits me then the lower ROF of the 20mm and less gunpoints.
Poll 8 303's, or more cannon armed dweebaphytes
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Take a look at the K/D rate for Chog vs Dhog.
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Air to ground, cannons all the way!
Air to air, machine guns, I'm a terrible shot.
Air to air base defence, I admit it, I'm a N1k dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Zippatuh
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Nice disguise for another CHog whining thread. I especially like the "cannon armed dweebaphytes" comment.
AKDejaVu
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CANNON!
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12 303's??? WOW!
I REALLY want one! Hurricane!!!!
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Very hard to take those Bombers down with just 50 cal. unless your in the 51D
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Nice disguise for another CHog whining thread. I especially like the "cannon armed dweebaphytes" comment.
AKDejaVu
On the contrary I have no quarrels about the Corsair. DO I fly it? Yes only on base assault were I need lots of ammo or base defense. I have 7 flights in it. I actually would like to see the F4-U4, so you can get back in the corner and pout, I just asked a certain question and you come out whining about oh my poor corsair (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Not everything revolves around the Chog, if you look at what I ask how many US planes carried 12 303's? I dont remember the US making a tiffie or a hurricane. Flying them yes but making them? Unheralded post indeed.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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you come out whining about oh my poor corsair
Don't have any sorties in the CHog this tour... and only 1 since tour 8. Its not my poor corsair.
You want honest oppinions? Try not calling one side of the argument names.
AKDejaVu
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The Hurricane IIB (12 .303's) would not hold its own as well as the Hispano armed IIC in AH. You can get 1k pings with the cannons while the .303's spray alot but don't get very far and don't do as much damage as only four hispano's.
Point: We DO need the cannon armed Hurricane (but want the 12 .303's nevertheless!)
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Thud1/Bies
Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH! (together with the Invader!)
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Cannon armed dweebaphytes is calling names? Get serious there, I am Sooooooo sorry for calling any cannon armed aircraft that.
(cough cough) Hmmm hmmm Attention to orders:
I sturm6 do apologize for calling these heralded aircraft of lead throwing capability a dweebaphyte. I know it makes some hurt when such words of Nerdism are used. I truly apologize for such a vulgar approach to these vast and impotent 303 viewers. May you forgive me and go upon the voting I will rephrase the question to meet the needs of the easily offended club.
Poll 8 303's, or more cannon armed dinglephytes
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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As I read.. I just get more and more irritated by this type of "poll" troll.
Sure I could just stop reading, but I can also express my displeasure with them.
Find an application where 8 .303s are better than 6 .50s or 8 .50s, much less any cannon armed planes. Find any aplication where .303s would be more efficient than .50s or 20mm. The only thing I can even remotely think of is allowing a higher ROF with .303s and using 12 guns to spray an area for anti-personel work.
When the planes were made of paper, anything was sufficient. But that's hardly what we are dealing with here.
So, you want a simple solution to your "poll"? Look at the numbers for the arena and see what the most used aircraft are. SpitV is down there somewhere.
The basic pretense of this thread is simply for people to agree that cannons are for "dweebaphytes".. and maybe they should use a real man's plane.
Its pretty much the same old argument not-so-cleverly disguised.
AKDejaVu
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Alright, alright...
I think Brat has got you guy's all riled up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Zippatuh
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Scram, and for one thing I would like to see more early war variant aircraft, if you look at my stats I fly all planes and not just the cannon armed monsters. I would love to see a 12 gunned 303 version of the tiffie/hurricane or 8 gunned version of the spit, I am sorry to say but I prefer MG's to cannons for I can walk my rounds into the target oh great one with impeccable accuracy. If you read in the vehicles and AC section I ask for twin engine aircraft not high performance super single engine can't catch me fighter planes. Turn fighting in close the 12 gunned planes would devastate a plane. Not only that but you get a butt load of ammo, so stop trying your way into this thread with a stupid flame about me crying about the cannons. SO I used a word big deal, you whine a lot, oops you might take that into consideration as well. No high jacking of this post please, I really do want to see the 8-12 303 fighters, oh BTW it is called a challenge flying these crafts, Mr Dingles.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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No sturm, I won't scat.
I want early war variants too. Just look in any thread that asks what plane you'd like to see and notice what I request.
I simply don't call those wanting later war planes names. I guess that's where we differ.
AKDejaVu
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Point taken, was not pointing names at individuals but cannon armed AC. Which was stated in the poll, it was not at any group or any individuals. Do I like 1 hit wonders? No, do I think you should work for a kill? Yes, am I wrong here? No, there has been a misunderstanding on both parties. So you learn something new here, people get offended when a weapon gets called a name. LOL its funny but I didn't know people got so irritated because of it. OK poll revision number 3
Poll 8-12 303's, or more cannon armed doohickies
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Sturm,
The lesson that apparently has not been learned is that these aircraft don't kill anything. The pilots pointing them at another target do. All of these planes are equally lethal sitting side by side on the tarmac.
How are aircraft called a "dweeb" anything without having that reflect on the people flying them?
So.. you think that people should have to work for their kill. That's fine. Go up against more cannon armed planes and you'll work even harder.
AKDejaVu
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Well, the problem is that the .303 armed aircraft couple comparatively weak firepower with poor performance in all areas besides turning.
Look at the C.202 for an existing example.
HTC could, with little effort, give an 8 .303 option for the Spitfire MkV so that we'd have the Va and Vb options. Care to guess how often it would get used? There IS a reason that the British added cannon to the Spitfire.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Well I use the A5 and when I run out of cannon amo i ahve around 1300 rounds of 7.9mm left do I RTB? Never if you get behind someone's 6 and pepper them and get a constant stream into the engine or wing they will go down. Easy fix make them worth less and more of an incentive to fly and get kills in.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Yup, it's fun to watch all those sparkley hit sprites when you fire the small cal guns. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've found I can do ok with only 4 50's on the P51b. I get in closer and go for the good shot.
I prefer to fly planes with the 50 cals, but that's just my preference, not a complaint!
gos
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I would love to see more of the non cannon armed planes myself.. It would limit the spray and pray mentality somewhat because you would have to get in REAL close to do something fatal.
Now I would not fly these aircraft cause I'm a pony flyer of the 4 gun variety.. I have flown the 202 and gotten kills. I've alos flown the spitfire and fired with only 303s and gotten kills.. it's easy to do you just have to get VERY close to your target.
Bane
13th TAS
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I'm with Zig. I'd trade my Spit's armament for 6 .50's in a second.
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I think I'm still packing the same .303s in my SpitV that I started the month with. The ground crew hasn't even bothered to swab the barrels since they haven't even been used.
Oh, that's not true, I found a goon the other day, slowed behind him and let him have 1200 rounds of .303, point blank.. good thing I had some 20mm left to finish the job.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Soda
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Yep Karnak, to kill tanks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) hehe just joke dont bite
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GRUNHERZ,
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I actually take the .303s in preference to the 50 cals when I fly a Spit IX. I know the 50s are better, but the quintessential Spitfire armament, to me, is 2 20mm cannon and 4 .303s. It is also the best looking when the Spit fires. That is, in fact, the biggest reason I want the Spitfire F.MkXIVc, so that I can have my 2 20s and 4 303s on it.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 03-27-2001).]
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Sometimes I fly the seafire (surprisingly good plane BTW) off the CV and the 303s are very nice to get ppl turning and get them slow so I can catch up and open fire with the cannons, plus they make that wierd 303/7.92mm gun sound, which I kinda like.
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Grunherz do you have Mitsu's Spitfire gun sounds? They are synched to the rate of fire and it's really cool. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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GRUNHERZ,
I use the 303s that way as well. I have also used them to convince somebody that I was out of cannon ammo.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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No I dont have any custom sounds funked, just the standard AH stuff. Maybe Ill play a bit with them when I get a new puter.
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yes we do, in fact i want hispano buff guns. that way people could whine more (no names of course) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Cannons please... One or two nose mounted 20mm's are my fav.
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Gimme the Depleted Uranium A-10 Warthog Chog cannons and lets win the ETO. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Besser tot als rot
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I prefer 50 cals, 6 of em is good, 8 is awesome, 4 is a bit weak, but a challenge.
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Perk the Pork!
Aaahhh!!! Feel much better now...long time no see this kinda thread.
Death to Quakebirds and Quakegirls! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Thks Sturm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Pepe
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Must we have cannon armed planes? Yes because those were the loadouts for certain planes.
-Ding