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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on March 19, 2003, 07:48:03 AM
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Was watching CNN last night as the build up goes on.......they had a 15 min piece on one PFC Sweet, serving with the US Marine Corps in Kuwait.
What a shrecking wuss.
The story starts with PFC Sweet being carried into the officers enclosure on a gurny cos he was feeling faint during a route march. Complains he cant carry as much as the other Marines, claims he's missing his family since he's had no contact with em in....oh about a week. Apparently this happens a lot to Sweet.
There's interviews with his CO who gives this big long speech about Marines coming home and pulling as a team and crap like that, then his sgt comes on and says he wont give up on PFC Sweet and all kindsa other tosh.
Is this what the USMC is really like?
Christ almighty you'd never see a British lad whining like a gir-rel on the front line, a Brit like that never would have MADE it to the front line in the first place.
And WTF is up with interviewing a wash out wuss like that anyway? He'll be forever remembered as "that wuss Sweet" and will prolly get a spot on Oprah.
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P.S. Um....of course if this report only went out in Holland and no-one in the US will ever see it......then you guys will have no idea what I'm talking about.
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yup we are all wussies in the US compared to to you Euro "uber mensch".
As much as Dubya's propaganda machine keeps reports like that off the US air wave we can bet that an anti-US Euro television show will only deliver the "real truth". If the focus on a guy like Sweet then that must mean the rest are just wussies as well.
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I thought boot camp was supposed to turn you into an insane robot?
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Originally posted by Batz
As much as Dubya's propaganda machine keeps reports like that off the US air wave we can bet that an anti-US Euro television show will only deliver the "real truth".
CNN is a Euro channel now?
And focusing on Sweet is my whole point. Why on earth would CNN want to do a piece on a wash out like him when they can report on any one of the thousands of other Marines who AREN'T complaining like a girl.
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I've seen TABED guys and so called PT studs not make roadmarchs/ruckruns etc. Sometimes it happens.
Sometimes it takes more to make a soldier...to forge him into something good. As long as he's motivated and doesnt quit work w/his ass. He'll get there.
If he's sniveling... they'll break him of it and change is attitude or he simply wont last.
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When recruiting and boot camp are more about training again instead of numbers and percentages, then you will have better soldiers.
When pansy-waisted liberal mothers stop crying to their Senator that they train her son too hard 'cause little Johnny writes her letters saying how mistreated he is, then you will have better soldiers.
When soldiers are trained for war (with as much realism as possible) instead of cutting slack because someone might get hurt, then you will have better soldiers.
There was a time when ships were wooden and the men were steel.
Unfortunately, now it's the opposite.
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If it was shown in Europe only then it was most likely designed for a target audience.
By focusing on Sweet it reinforced the fat lazy weak American stereotype.
Either that or all marines are wussies; take your pick.
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You are actually confused by this? *chuckle*
First you must learn about American TV. "ATYPICAL" keeps the viewers attention much more than typical. I don't think the BBC has learned this, for the most part.
Now ... while I'm sure there isn't a single Royal Marine that isn't a pansey arsed momma's boy that, when suddenly faced with the reality of his chosen career path, finds himself suddenly revealing his true self ....
wait .... hehehe .... there probably does need to be a "BBCNN". ;)
Originally posted by Swoop
Why on earth would CNN want to do a piece on a wash out like him when they can report on any one of the thousands of other Marines who AREN'T complaining like a girl.
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There are screw ups anywhere. I hope this guy was in a support role, and can't imagine he hasn't been toejamcanned if he's in a combat unit.
On the other hand, I was a big, somewhat heavy guy during basic (185 lbs lol). However, during the 18-mile out-of-the-field road march with full pack a bunch of the high metabolism guys -- better overall athletes for sure -- dropped out. I ended up giving the last of my water away to somebody else. It's odd how different bodies are adept at different exertions.
For push ups, look to the short guys with the good upper body strength. I knew a captain once that could literally do hundreds of regulation push ups without breaking a sweat.
Charon
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Originally posted by Batz
By focusing on Sweet it reinforced the fat lazy weak American stereotype.
Actually no, PFC Sweet is Hispanic. One of these 18 year olds who thinks he can grow a moustache, you know the type.....
And Charon, sure looked like a front line job to me, although the report didnt mention the unit.
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Aye - different body types react differently to the same situations.
During OCS, the fastest guy in our company was 5'1 and wieghed about 125 pounds. He would run the 3 mile PFT in around 15 minutes... sick...
The pullup guy was about 5'6 and about as wide in the shoulders as he was tall - he could bang out dead hangs all day.
The football player/body building types were the first to go - they ususally lasted about a week before they were seriously injured, and none of them could run.
I was pretty middle of the road, 6'0, 175 pounds, could do the 20 deadhangs and could do regulation situps all day... but I sucked at running. I dont think I ever broke 19 minutes in the 3 mile. Humps were also a weakness for many, including me. I prefered running 5 miles to a 5 mile route step. My shins (splints) would be on fire after about 500 yards... must have been the way I walked, I dunno.
In any event, it was usually the case in my platoon that the bigger you were and the more "pretty muscles" you had, the sooner you left with a proken bone or a ripped muscle.
The small guys were all tanks. 120-145 pounds and they could do everything.
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Its all about conditioning. I'm 205 w/around 9 percent body fat now. I can do 100+ PU's no sweat, and 20+ PU's easy. If I had to run 6min or even 9min miles at this moment for more than 1 mile I'd be screwed. I can prob crank out 50+ situps...but even w/nice abs... I couldnt max them.
I use to max the run,PU and SU. I wieghed about 155-75 then (gained size w/time in). I will say it took about 2yrs in before I could max.
I could max it again w/8weeks though at the 36 age group though..LOL.
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It's mental. Strictly mental. You can carry what you want if you decide to do it. Obviously there are limits, but the marines aren't entering this guy into a power lifting contest. He is carrying a standard marine issue pack.
My girlfriend could carry that. He just doesn't want to be there.
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I maxed sit-ups, did all right in the 2-mile run and all right in the push-ups after I adjusted my form a little. It was funny watching the guys who had run track in HS start running sub five-minute -miles (as I remember - it was amazing to me at the time). I could hump pretty well though, I suppose my athletic style would be described as: "pack mule" :)
It would take me at least 3 months of heavy effort to even get in that ball park today (even adjusted for age), if my ankles etc. held out. Ten years of sitting on your bellybutton for a living can be dangerous if you let it get out of hand. At 38, though, you realize that you start running out of time to get healthy if you don't do something about it.
Charon
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the best women can beat the best men at ultamarathons, 50 to 100 miles or more. Something about their greater ability to process body fat as fuel
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Originally posted by Rasker
the best women can beat the best men at ultamarathons, 50 to 100 miles or more. Something about their greater ability to process body fat as fuel
Uh uh.... not sure what an Ultra marathon is but ther eis a reason why women marathon/tri-atheltes compete in a seperate group from the men.
If your talking about handling starvation... then yes.
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>the best women can beat the best men at ultamarathons, 50 to
>100 miles or more. Something about their greater ability to
>process body fat as fuel
a related issue might have something to do with overall average body weight. Towards the end, I would guess energy efficiency would be important. In simple terms a heavier person would have to work his body harder to continue.
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My girlfriend told me I was good at humping but I made too many PU's. Gotta lay off the bean burrito MRE's.
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did you explain to her about the JATO principle in shortening the take-off run? :)
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I just saw a bit on CNN about this. The crybaby's name is Pelanco (not sure on spelling) and Sweet is his sergeant. Sweet looks to me like a kick-ass Marine noncom, definately not the wuss here.
Just want to get the names straight, so that Sweet isn't getting smeared. This is assuming CNN didn't get the names backward or something.
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SWOOP...heheheh. I'd like you to face off with my "baby" brother who's a 6'-5" Marine Gunnery sgt with 24 years service and tell him he's must be a "wuss". After he quit laughing and wiping th tears from his eyes he'd prolly paint th walls with yer body fluids.
He's got "issues", I guess.;)
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The USMC draws its number's from the civilian population. Every now and again your going to draw a toejambird.
Sounds like a little bit of hazing is in line for the the private to me.
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thank god for that toejamhead you dont get to judge him.
many toejamheads do a 180 when its for real. till then hes making training more real you got to admit. anyway in combat he moves or dies. that hasent changed and im shure they will remind him.
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hey batdog you miss harmony church road LOL
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Originally posted by Tarmac
I just saw a bit on CNN about this. The crybaby's name is Pelanco (not sure on spelling) and Sweet is his sergeant. Sweet looks to me like a kick-ass Marine noncom, definately not the wuss here.
Just want to get the names straight, so that Sweet isn't getting smeared. This is assuming CNN didn't get the names backward or something.
Oops, yeah you're right. Wrong name. :)
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Ya know, it was always the middle of the road guys that I looked for in my units. Not the Annapolis graduates, top of their class but the guys that succeeded in spite of their limitations. These are the men and women who had to work and fight every step of the way. These are the ones that never had anything handed to them, that had to fight for every A and B in school. These are the ones that I knew would go the extra mile in combat.
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All this crap about Marines being the toughest, most physically fit is bull. Coast Guard Basic Training was 4 weeks longer than USMC. We ran 5 miles, did 45 min PT then ran 10 more...before breakfast. It's also the hardest service to enter, very strict requirements. The Coast Guard is the ONLY full time Active Duty service, everyone else is in training mode until called upon.
USCG...Kickin' bellybutton since 1790! Semper Paratus.:cool:
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RPM, any people who mow drug smugglers with Miniguns just have to be OK.
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Hey ... Navy Jr! ;) :D
You need to talk to the guys on the flightdecks of carriers about how much difference there is in their jobs in peace and wartime. :cool:
Originally posted by rpm371
All this crap about Marines being the toughest, most physically fit is bull. Coast Guard Basic Training was 4 weeks longer than USMC. We ran 5 miles, did 45 min PT then ran 10 more...before breakfast. It's also the hardest service to enter, very strict requirements. The Coast Guard is the ONLY full time Active Duty service, everyone else is in training mode until called upon.
USCG...Kickin' bellybutton since 1790! Semper Paratus.:cool:
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Arlo, my feet are tired- would you rub them please? :)