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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on March 19, 2003, 12:27:37 PM
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Based on discussions in this forum?
I know that I have become much more interested in becoming a gun owner. Anyone else... on any topic?
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Yes I changed my mind. I used to think all homosexuals were evil, but the FDPs have taught me that they aren't all bad.
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Yes, the FDB's convinced me that I really like streaming porn.
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Yes- I use to think Russians weren't brainwashed to the point their brains turned to mush.
Then Boroda and Eaglecz started posting.
-SW
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Lol Funked..you posted just before me.
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I am already right about everything. I only post here to help others.
ra
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This has changed my mind about politics.
I thought it was a dirty game in the past, now I am convinced it has become so dirty, things are only going to get worse.
The side only maters a little (dem V Rep) just about all politicians are scum..
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i used to like the french.
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Staying on topic, I was never a gun owner, nor am I a fan of guns. Imagine that, a conservative that does not like guns!
Anyway, one night at 2am, my house alarm went off. Upstairs was myself, my wife, and my 2 year old daughter. (No one else lives in the house).
I spent 4 minutes trying to barrel load a .22 that my grandfather left me. In this time, we could have all been dead.
The next day, I went to the gunsmith, traded in the.22 and bought a pistol grip, pump action 20 gauge. (The guy said it's the thing to own for home defence)
So now, I can load this thing and have the trigger lock off in 30 seconds.
If this happens again, I will simply load the gun, have my wife call the police, and wait at the top of the stairs. If you come up the stairs, and your not a cop, I'm giving a warning. If you still continue, I'm going to fire.
I hope I never ever have to do this, but there is no way anyone is getting to my family without killing me first.
To this date, I've never actually even fired this gun, even on a range.
I hope this helps.
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I was once a warmonger.
But Weazel helped me to see the light.
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I still like Frenchy. I like Straffo. I really hate that French bar tender w/the stick up his bellybutton I met while on some island... Martinique(SP?) that got all huffy cause I didnt know the exchange rate for the Euro.
I still like french fries... and french porn is good as long as the chicks are shaved.
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French Porn?
I've never seen French porno.
What's in a french porno?
*quietly leaves door wide open for Hangtime....and slips away*
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Originally posted by GScholz
Well you should ... before you kill that cop ... or your neighbour.
I misunderstood.
Sorry for the edit.
The gunsmith said the 20 gauge was a good gun for home defense, as it wont penetrate a wall...like the 30/30 I also traded in.
Why would firing the gun help avoid a friendly fire incident.
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OT: Muckmaw, if you have a trigger guard you can go ahead and load the shotgun, it can't be fired. Save some time when you need it.
BTW, the pistolgrip was not necessary, any hunting shotgun would be just as good and probably cheaper. Some shooting clubs won't let you use their facilities if you have a home defense weapon, but they will with a hunting shotgun.
ra
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I liked Frenchy wanting to fight me before all this war mess because "I hide behind a monitor".
It still seems laughable, but somehow lost the personal aspect of his rage.
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Originally posted by ra
OT: Muckmaw, if you have a trigger guard you can go ahead and load the shotgun, it can't be fired. Save some time when you need it.
BTW, the pistolgrip was not necessary, any hunting shotgun would be just as good and probably cheaper. Some shooting clubs won't let you use their facilities if you have a home defense weapon, but they will with a hunting shotgun.
ra
Thanks for the tip, RA.
Won't the Ammo sitting in there erode...or go bad..or something?
How often should I get this thing cleaned? And how long does ammo last? I have it sitting in the box, in my closet.
Thanks for any advice.
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Dowding provoked me into doing research about Muslims.
I indeed changed my mind about Islam. I learned that Islam is not violent or evil in and of itself, and that terrorists are in fact a Muslim extremist lunatic fringe. Dowding.
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I guess these boards have made me certain of one thing that I was only dimly aware of before: The current 2 party oligopoly in the USA is a disaster.
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Muckmaw
You still need to learn how to use that shotgun, you could very well shoot yourself or wife when the stress hits and your not familiar with it.
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only Grunherz and Hortlund.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Muckmaw
You still need to learn how to use that shotgun, you could very well shoot yourself or wife when the stress hits and your not familiar with it.
It would be really bad if I shot myself.:D
Work on that....get back to me.
Seriously, I kinda figured it's like a camera, you know? Point and shoot.
Maybe your right. I better get my bellybutton to a gun range...if I can find one on Long Island. (Never actually looked)
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Muckmaw,
Ammo will last just about forever. And you can fire your shotgun hundreds of times without cleaning it so long as you don't drop it in the mud. And you don't need to get it cleaned, it is easy to clean yourself. GtoRa2 makes the most important point, learn to use it. It is a very simple device but very dangerous. Maybe the gundealer you bought it from can tell you where you can find a place to fire it.
ra
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The dealer had an indoor range, but he said I could not fire this type of gun there. *shrugs*
He said I need to find an outdoor range.
I'll make some calls.
Thanks for the advice.
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Yes Muckmaw, you should be very familiar with a firearm (a class could not hurt, since you have no experience whatsoever) before keeping it around (and possibley loaded) for home defense. Learning to use cover, and knowing to not point the gun or put your finger on the trigger until you actually want to kill something, never hurts either.
And no its not as easy as a camera ;) Point and shoot, and you will probably miss. Shotgun or not. Stress, panic, and inexperience will make you do some really strange things.
Just get some practice and some tips from people that know what they're doing. Welcome to the "Gun Club" ! :)
PS: Keeping it loaded will probably not hurt a standard pump shotgun. It does keep continuous stress on the magazine spring, would could freeze up and cause a jam, but its unlikely given the type of weapon . Well, at least as long as it hasn't been 20 years since it was loaded. The ammunition should probably be changed out once a year ( and you should practice at least that much). Choice of ammunition is very important as well. Personally I would reccommend a 2 3/4" magnum round loaded with No. 1 or "O" (single ought buckshot).
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Originally posted by GScholz
and the relative geographical location of Afghanistan and Yugoslavia (;)).
Happy to help buddy... :D
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One thing I changed my mind about - after it was too late - was throwing out a whole case of perfectly good Freedom Ticklers.
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I clean my guns after every use. If you store it alot, I would take it out every few months and oil it. Not enough to make it greasy, just to preven rust.
Ammo, if kept in a dry place, has a very long shelf life. If the prass collar on the shell starts to corrode, I'd get rid of it.
You most definately have to fire your gun. You have to know how it feels to shoot it. Would you want the first time you drove a car to be when you are trying to get your child to the hospital? You don't want the first time you fire that gun to be in the protection of your family, either.
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I am sure that everyone will come to the realization that I am allways right. I think there may be a slight delay tho while it sinks in.
I am sure that everyone has learned something from both sides due to the discussions on this board tho.
lazs
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informative, interesting (sometimes)
change my view - nope
I don't think I have influenced anyone who had a 180 viewpoint to mine either
sometimes reminds me of a bunch of cackling old ladies really... waste of time in the end probably
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Based on discussions in this forum?
I know that I have become much more interested in becoming a gun owner. Anyone else... on any topic?
Nope.
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lol Gunthr
I learned about the gun debate in America. If I was American, I'd own a gun. Not a handgun (that's the part I have concerns about), but definitely a sporting rifle - I'd like to go hunting and learn to eat what I shoot.
Hunting is restricted to a moneyed elite over here and there aren't that many places which would alow it.
I learned that American politics is more partisan than British, even though, as an outsider, they behave very similarly depending on who's in power. Britain is catching up fast.
Those are the salient points, anyway.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
only Grunherz and Hortlund.
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Hey Dowding let's rape nature we should all have a gun and shoot all that lives in the wild.
That would be an awesome idea.
just imagine 4 miljard people shreckin around with guns in the wild.
We already lost to many species by man thinkin hes part of nature what a excuse.
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Guess the year.
There were only about 230 reported murders in the entire US
Yet
over 50% of the citizens owned and carried handguns as part of their daily lives.
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I knew this was gonna hurt ur philoshopical brain.
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midnight Target: Based on discussions in this forum?
Not as much based on discussions as on the books I got to buy and read after some discussions - on this and WB forum.
History - Liddel Hart, John Keegan, US histiry, sociology, genetics, economics, "Mein Kamph", even "The Bell Curve" by Murray - stuff that completely contradicts what the society believes about history, economics and most other things. It went downhill from there... :)
AKS\/\/ulfe: Yes- I use to think Russians weren't brainwashed to the point their brains turned to mush.
Then Boroda and Eaglecz started posting.
Oh, yea - used to think that Russians were brainwashed by government propaganda and abcense of truthfull information. Then I saw what most americans are posting and saying and realised most humans are just inherently narrow-minded, self-deluding and jingoistic.
muckmaw: Won't the Ammo sitting in there erode...or go bad..or something?
Get out to the range and use that ammo couple of times a year. Buy a $6-10 pack of silica-gel in an arms or hardware supply store good for 33-50 qubic feet and put it in a closet next to the gun. Once it soakes through (color changes), you can restore it by heating in the oven.
muckmaw: I better get my bellybutton to a gun range...if I can find one on Long Island. (Never actually looked)
Huntington Town Range - next to Hilton off Rte 110. Outdoor range open 10am-4PM Friday to Monday (and in the evening except in winter). $13 per session for non-resident. Up to 100 yards, allow shotgun, give great instructions. In fact I've just witnessed a great instruction exactly on defencive use of a shotgun.
The Nassau County Rifle and Pistol range at Mitchell Field sports complex is $15, indoor 30 yards, open till 10PM and allows shotgun - though only shooting slugs, which is OK for practice.
Make sure to read AMMUNITION FOR THE SELF-DEFENSE FIREARM (http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm) and other articles there.
"For ultra-close range home defense birdshot will do the trick. Choose any #4, BB or larger high brass lead hunting load, and have the balance of the magazine filled with #3 buck in case the birdshot doesn't put them down fast enough."
Also check 'Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun' by Massad Ayoob.
BUG_EAF322: just imagine 4 miljard people shreckin around...
Here is the solution to the excess of people - guns! :)
miko
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Hey Dowding let's rape nature we should all have a gun and shoot all that lives in the wild.
This is an example of why I tend to oppose the environmentalist movement.
ra
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Hey, that would be cool. I've always liked the look of Norway and Scandinavia - my kind of country. And the women aren't bad either. ;)
I might be able to get a trip to Sweden in the near future - I work in the paper industry and I'm sourcing some saw equipment from a Swedish company. They might get generous. :D
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I knew this was gonna hurt ur philoshopical brain.
Well, FU too pal.
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That's not the environmentalist movement - which is something I agree with - that's nonsensical zeal.
The controlled hunting of non-endangered animals can help conservation - with competent management and a good understanding of the area.
I don't agree with hunting without using the kill for food or skins. That's wasteful to me.
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It's a done deal! :D
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I don't agree with hunting without using the kill for food or skins. That's wasteful to me.
So kill some baby seals.(takes bravery and skill)
Point is there already to many man on the planet.
our meat has to come from the butcher otherwise it's the end of normal wildlife.
Also the fun of shooting an animal is to barbaric to me.
Yes i killed some chicken to feed on in the army.
But i had no fun of it. it was just a job to do.
I can't see a reason to make a hobby from it.
Why not go paintball or shoot animals with a camera.
both take more skill.
Anyway u don't have to kill wildlife for dinner because u can get meat at ur nearest shop.
Now if u lifed in the bush that would be another story.
but u don't so it's just pleasure ur talkin about.
There is hunting for preservation of species to. Like to many deers
But that's not ur job also that's done by guys who where trained and know the statistics.
It's a controlled thing.
But that all because we killed its natural predators.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Based on discussions in this forum?
Ping showed me that the US did use Chemical weapons during WWI. That was pretty cool (I mean finding out about it, not the actual use of Chemical Weapons)
-Sik
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Well, FU too pal.
Out of ur mouth that is a compliment to me.
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I forgot ur from norway killers of very "intelligent" whales.
Whale hunt is disquisting.
Domestic animals suffer that's true.
Good luck on ur hunt tarzan.
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Didn't intend for this to be a gun thread. That was just the example I used.
I think I have been challenged on many levels on this board and I find it all very stimulating.
Intellectually - More than once I had to delve into some research to back up my position or to refute another. Great learning experience.
Socially - Dealing with abuse or ridicule in the best possible way, the BBS is a great place to see it done or practice doing it.
Current Events - Actually a pretty accurate place to get the news. If it's BS someone will call it. If it ain't ..... well someone will call it anyway. :) Overall though, pretty accurate reporting.
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Kill em
we need the meat
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Gscholz...the norwegian PR genius...
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Out of ur mouth that is a compliment to me.
Rough childhood huh?
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Cows are easier to control and no natural animals that should walk around in the forest.
Whales is something different they have only one baby in ... years.
If u kill one it takes some time there will be a new one.
Yes i eat meat and try to get biological when ever possible.
To bad that is a bit more expensive.
I just respect animals.
So shooting them for sports is out of the question for me.
And industrializing wildlife sound totally weird to me.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
So kill some baby seals.(takes bravery and skill)
Lost me right there
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Has anything here changed my mind? I can't recall anything specific, but I'm almost sure of it.
One thing I know for sure is that I've learned a lot more about many issues, and have been given much broader perspective on many issues that I otherwise would have reacted to in kneejerk fashion and filed away.
The far left, moderately left and even centrist is waaaay outnumbered on this forum (it's far from accurately reflecting the demographic of the US or anywhere else - even remotely) and gets punked on a daily basis... so that has to be taken into consideration. But we play war games, so whaddya exepect. Other than that, this place is ok. :)
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Cows are easier to control and no natural animals that should walk around in the forest.
Yes, you are right, they are plains animals, travel in herds.
Whales is something different they have only one baby in ... years.[/B]
.....years??, glad you are so educated on the subject you are debating.
Yes i eat meat and try to get biological when ever possible.
To bad that is a bit more expensive.[/B]
Convictions are expensive. Follow your own example.
I just respect animals.[/B]
Yes, they are tasty.
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I like Tacos.
-Sik
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Ok lASSerus
at least i know whales don't get kiddies every year
cows do.
I won't be suprised if it take about 5 years to grow up a baby whale.
Think of elephants they where almost eliminated to.
They don't breed that fast (hopes now ur simple brain can take this info)
Now if u where an Eskimo, Aboriginal or a Pygmee i would understand easily.
We are just civilized human wich stands far from nature unlike them mentioned above.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Ok lASSerus
at least i know whales don't get kiddies every year
cows do.
I won't be suprised if it take about 5 years to grow up a baby whale.
I wouldn't be suprised if you had no idea how long it really took. Educate yourself on the subject of your protest at least.
Oh, and the changing of the spelling of my handle was humorous. Glad to see you are like most of your kind that I meet.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I like Tacos.
-Sik
Fur tacos?
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I wouldn't be suprised if you had no idea how long it really took. Educate yourself on the subject of your protest at least.
At least i won't suck anything out of my tumb.
Like most do
Forgive my humanity.
I bleed when i'm cut to
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
At least i won't suck anything out of my tumb.
Like most do
Forgive my humanity.
I bleed when i'm cut to
Eh??
walks away......................... ..................
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The Eskimo, Aborigines and Pygmies are highly civilized people.
treu
But they closer to wildlife than u ever gonna be.
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walks away......................... ..................
still here
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Even so a population of 20.000 will produce more than 674 offspring per year
like we can exactly count them
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Time for a break
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Thanks for the tip, RA.
Won't the Ammo sitting in there erode...or go bad..or something?
How often should I get this thing cleaned? And how long does ammo last? I have it sitting in the box, in my closet.
Thanks for any advice.
Please do yourself a favor. If you are going to keep a deadly weapon for home defense, familiarize yourself with it completely! This means take a course, fire it regularly to insure your ability to hit what you want and miss what you daren't. Then learn to strip and clean it yourself. To purchase this weapon and just set it in a closet with a box of shells is to invite disaster.
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I find it very strange that an animal nut like you protest against hunting, yet condone the systematic industrialized slaughter of domesticated animals.
It's the best we can do in a meat lovin overcrowded world
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
like we can exactly count them
OK, walks back..........
Yes we can.
Again, just do a little research for your own good. And make sure its from multiple sources, not just the Greenpeace propaganda pages. Most of the harvesting of these natural resources is strictly regulated and designed to either maintain, or promote the species that's being harvested.
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Originally posted by sling322
Fur tacos?
If God didn't mean for it to be eaten, he wouldn't have made it look like a taco.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If God didn't mean for it to be eaten, he wouldn't have made it look like a taco.
Looks more like an oyster to me:D
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Strange MT... I was wondering this very same thing. I wonder it every time I see a rhetoric vs rhetoric "debate".
MiniD
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i have...now looking for a bloody big .50 caliber rifle...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If God didn't mean for it to be eaten, he wouldn't have made it look like a taco.
I have a picture of a woman with a tattoo that says something similar to that, but alas I cannot post it here for fear of banishment.
:D
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Originally posted by sling322
I have a picture of a woman with a tattoo that says something similar to that, but alas I cannot post it here for fear of banishment.
:D
New meaning to the phrase 'Taco Bender'?
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I change my mind constantly. Wait a minute, no I dont.
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I hate to admit it, but I really wasn't into sheep until I started reading the BB. I'd even say that you guys were a bit weird about them. I totaly get it now.
eskimo
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Bug,
Do you SERIOUSLY believe that it is more ethical to eat farm-raised beef that is slaughtered for your culinary enjoyment by someone else than it is to eat venison that you have harvested yourself?
Can you explain to me what is evil about hunting? Does it break any laws of nature? Like it or not, mankind IS a part of nature. We have undoubtedly had an impact on the natural world but the alternative is renouncing all civilized forms of life, big cities, and technological achievement and returning to a lifestyle where we all live in grass huts and wear fig leaves.
Animals slaughter each other every day and have done so since the emergence of the first protozoa. I have seen coyotes and fox and hawks and dogs and cats slaughter their prey and, believe me, they were all immensely pleased with themselves. Enjoying the success of a stalk and a kill seems to be "natural." To say that man should not enjoy the hunt is to render moral judgement on a natural urge that developed in a largely amoral system.
I think modern urban life has severed the ties to the natural world that our ancestors enjoyed. While our ancestors weren't "enlightened" enough to understand the impact of their actions on the natural world they would have found modern notions about wildlife and nature to be childish.
Regards, Shuckins
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Animals slaughter each other every day and have done so since the emergence of the first protozoa. I have seen coyotes and fox and hawks and dogs and cats slaughter their prey and, believe me, they were all immensely pleased with themselves. Enjoying the success of a stalk and a kill seems to be "natural." To say that man should not enjoy the hunt is to render moral judgement on a natural urge that developed in a largely amoral system.
Offcourse otherwise the animal is gonna die
are u gonna die when u miss a deer?
Do u live in a small hut in the bush ?
Or do u mean we should disband cattle and go hunting the forest?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Why would firing the gun help avoid a friendly fire incident.
You sound like you should attend an NRA Gun Safety Course. Why do Police constantly requalify with their weapons if they rarely use them? To prevent accidents! Plus, it's fun to go blow up stuff at the Target Range.
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yes i have changed my mind recently,1st- fired 20guage shotgun at wall, dmn pellets blew hole thru wall - gun dealer must a been wrong -decision get new gundealer, 2nd- shotgun blast also went thru neighbors window killing cat on window sill-descision and several mind changes , which lawyer i need, what contractor i will need to fix wall and neighbors window, how deep to bury neighbors cat, where i should get rid of gun at, i must admit several confuseing mind changes all at once,
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Muck if you are ever at the top of the stairs with a shotgun in your hands when the police come in, please please identify yourself and put down the gun when you see them. that sounds like a scary situation for the cop.... going into an unfamiliar house and seeing a dude with a big bellybutton gun and an alt advantage.
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yea i did.... could not belive that spitfire turn better that tiffie :D
actualy yes i found some interesting stuff around
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Before I began participating in the discussions here I used to believe liberals were basically the same folks as conservatives, perhaps a bit more naive. Some of you guys really enlightened me regarding that misconception. :p
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Originally posted by -Concho-
seeing a dude with a big bellybutton gun and an alt advantage.
This perfectly describes every sortie I fly in AH....
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bug... if humans are so evil then maybe you should just commit suicide? I mean.... do it for the bunny rabbits...
lazs
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Originally posted by krazyhorse
yes i have changed my mind recently,1st- fired 20guage shotgun at wall, dmn pellets blew hole thru wall - gun dealer must a been wrong -decision get new gundealer, 2nd- shotgun blast also went thru neighbors window killing cat on window sill-descision and several mind changes , which lawyer i need, what contractor i will need to fix wall and neighbors window, how deep to bury neighbors cat, where i should get rid of gun at, i must admit several confuseing mind changes all at once,
lol Krazy.....
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Yes, I've changed my mind and opinions plenty after discussions with people here and just lurking in threads. Must say that most seem pretty dug in though.
Oh ask ripsnort or toad if you think this is just me boasting or claiming moral superiority without basis.
Am of course claiming moral superiority to the dug-ins, but I HAVE a basis for it :D
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Muck,
you need to shoot your gun to get used to it. how hard is the trigger pull? if it is set light its possible for the gun to go off before you want it to. If it set too heavy you could "Flinch" and miss your target. as far as what shells to use I would use #2 or BB Lead shot . If you gun is chambered for 3 in.mag use them may be tuff on the wrist though hehe.
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Yes.
But I changed it back.