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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: squelch_19 on March 20, 2003, 02:52:36 AM
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He is only 2 months old. Tell me what breed you think he is...
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I don't think it's a dog at all. I think it's a racoon. It was dark, and the 'lil guy was moving pretty fast. We all coulda made the same mistake.
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must be a ... uhm .... ahhhh .... cow?
But honestly he's one of the cutest dogs i've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!
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Bull Mastiff Hereford.
Should win you first prize at the show ! :)
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Glad you like him, Duedel!!! But I hope you feel the same once you figure out his breed.
Spook...nope, not a Bullmastiff Hereford. Try again!
Half the USA population can't correctly idenify this breed, yet it is one of the most hated breeds in the country.
NOTE: 'Common' breed names won't cut it. I want someone to tell me exactly what breed this killer dog is.
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Hi squelch,
its not the breed that makes a dog bad, its his owner.
There are dogs i really dont like (p.e. Bullterrier) but this is only because i dont like the appearance, not because i dont like their character!
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Looks a little bit like duedel with a hangover :)
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Throwback Rhodesian Ridgeback?
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Looks a little bit like duedel with a hangover :)
Sauhund :D
Wo ist deine Signatur?
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That is a pit bull, but not a pure bred American pit bull.
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Originally posted by Duedel
Sauhund :D
Wo ist deine Signatur?
Ich bin XO im Guadalcanal scenario.
Ich mach damit ein bischen Werbung.
Sobald das vorbei ist nehme ich meine Signatur wieder rein.
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American Staffordshire Terrier?
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Originally posted by Duedel
Hi squelch,
its not the breed that makes a dog bad, its his owner.
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Bingo thats what I was gonna say when I saw the title..
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isn't that the dog from 'little rascals'? damn, he must be 90 years old now.
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pit bull
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Not a pit bull, an American Bull Terrier.... big difference.
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This is an American Pit Bull Terrier.
60% of the dog bites each year are reported as being caused by a 'Pit Bull'. One person in this post
even called this dog a 'Pit Bull'.
There is no breed of dog called a 'Pit Bull'.
Millions of these dogs die each year in animal shelters that aren't even put up for adoption
because of their breed. No matter how good-natured they are, no matter how well-trained.
There are laws floating around that try to ban the breed. But this is as bad as racism. I own 2 APBT's,
one 3 years and this one 2 months, and both make friend out of eveyone they meet.
16 people answered this post, and 15 were wrong about the breed. But my dogs could be banned for being
a 'Pit Bull'.
This crazy #@$! has to stop!:mad:
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I understand that owners makeup for a lot of the "evil dog" reports throughout the country, but there's another side. I've had contact with American Bull Terrier's before. The owner's treated them well, they were never used for fighting, etc. etc. The dog was always really nice to me, although i was always apprehensive around it. Always greeted me when I showed up, was friendly w/guests, all that. I actually started to trust this dog.
Then one day a neighbor's dog (irish setter) made the mistake of walking across the lower portion of the owner's property. George, as the dog was known, made a beeline to where the irish setter was. I heard a couple of barks and then a loud snap. Everything got quiet. Then George came running back to us as happy as could be like nothing had happened. A short walk revealed an irish setter, dead from a snapped neck. The whole thing took about 30 seconds.
Could any dog have done this? Maybe. But I believe that there's instincts with certain breeds of dogs that just don't disappear. Given the right circumstances, they'll surface.
Having said that, I don't think they should be outlawed at all. If people are willing to raise them and keep them away from me, more power to them. I've known people to have Bull Terriers and never have trouble, but I've seen the flip side too. And that's enough for me to never expose my family to a Bull Terrier.
Cougar
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I used to dogsit a white Pit Bull Terrier. Gorgeous beast, and absolutely loved every person he came across. Any animal he saw, however, he tried to kill.
I think he was somewhat stupid, and thought every squirrel was actually the same squirrel teleporting around.
btw Cougar, your name is similar to a friend of mine from dslreports.com. You ever frequent that site as Cougar99?
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These dogs can be trained to be calm around other animals...up to a point.
You can't trust them completely with other dogs. Sooner or later there may be a fight. But my dogs get along fine with cats.
If you think this breed is stupid, check out:
United Kennel Club (http://www.ukcdogs.com)
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This breed will kill another breed. That is what it was bred for.
In the case of your friend, he failed to notice this trait. That was a part of the ignorance I mentioned.
There is nothing about this breed that is 'mean'. Your friends dog did just what he meant to do...fight. If it had been watched correctly, there wouldn't be a dead dog now.
These dogs were not bred to fight humans. That is my point.
The owners give these dogs a bad rap, not the dogs nature.
And being scared of a APBT will show though next time you meet up with one.
And the owner will notice.
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See what I mean about catching Hell from everyone???
But I've been there, done that.
The APBT is most likely the best dog to own if you have children. Just do a search of thier Temperment test scores if you don't believe me.:D
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Originally posted by Duedel
Hi squelch,
its not the breed that makes a dog bad, its his owner.
Yeah, owners can make a bad dog. But in the case of the pitbull, I disagree. They were bred to kill.
Let me explain it to you this way. You take a tiger cub from birth from a tiger in captivity. You treat it like a household pet, and bring it up well. Would you trust this animal as a household pet? You wouldn't because you know that instinctively, that tiger is a killer and could eat your kids. Animals are instinctive, they are animals, that is how they are. Some dogs attack, but when a pitbull attacks he kills, it's in his blood.
Now a pitbull can be fine, but anything can kick in this instinct. Kids walking home from school who get in a fight, dog snaps. Domestic quarrel, dog snaps. It can be a number of things.
It's not the dog's fault, it's in his blood. It's instinct. And I don't care how good of a trainer you are, you can't change that.
Those of you who think "it's not the poor dog, it's the owner, if it had a loving owner it would be different" well, you're living in a nickelodeon fantasy world.
The pitbull terrier can be fine one day, snap the next. It was bred a killer, and that's what it is.
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I love dogs, have had many as pets over the years. However, owners should be held more accountable for the actions of their pets. An attack on a person by a dog should be treated as if the attack were made by it's owner.
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Sixpense is right.
I have seen the most lovable pits turn nasty at the slightest provocation...normally this isn't directed at humans, if the owners have treated the animals well, but when it comes to other dogs pits want to fight. It is in their nature as they have been bred for this purpose. Argue all you want about that, but it is a fact.
A friend of mine bred these dogs for a living and for the longest time I was a staunch supporter of them. Then, Emily (his main breeding squeak, and a lovable beautiful animal) for no apparent reason turned on my friend's daughter. The dog ended up eating a piece of mucsle that she tore from the little girl's arm. This changed my mind about pits..and my friend's. He sold off all of his dogs and no longer breeds them.
I'm not suggesting we should round up all animals of this breed and kill them, in any way. I personally think they should no longer be bred.
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That dog.. I've seen it on a billboard!!!
I'm pretty sure it said: "Eat More Chicken" or something
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Any other dog can snap, just like a Bull Terrier. And depending on the size of the dog, it can do just as much damge to a human as a APBT.
People are scared of this breed, and not many people like a dog that they HAVE to show respect to or they end up with something they can't control.
There isn't anything in this dogs nature that isn't in any other dogs nature, except it likes to fight.
Show the dog respect, train it, keep it fed, ect...you have a well-natured dog that won't attack for no reason. Just like with any other breed.
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lmao!!! Thanks for the laugh!
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I hate dogs.
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Not an American Pit Bull Terrier, an American Bull Terrier.
Pit Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Terrier are the same breed.
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So...which is it again?
American Staffordshire Terrier:
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/amstaff.jpg)
Bull Terrier:
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/bullter.jpg)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier:
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/stbult.jpg)
AKC does not identify a breed as "American Pit Bull Terrier" but the UKC does:
(http://www.ukcdogs.com/Terriers/apbt4.jpg)
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Originally posted by squelch_19
There isn't anything in this dogs nature that isn't in any other dogs nature, except it likes to fight.
Show the dog respect, train it, keep it fed, ect...you have a well-natured dog that won't attack for no reason. Just like with any other breed.
Except it likes to fight....that says it all mate.
The Pit, in Pit Bull, is in reference to the fact that the dogs were bred to fight other dogs, or other animals in betting pits. They were bred to be the best at it by breeding the most agressive aspects of other breeds into them.
They do attack other animals for no reason...I've seen it. It is in their nature.
If your pit bull kills my dog it is killing a member of my family. I would in turn sue your ass...big time...then kill your pit bull.
If you are suggesting that my friend didn't treat his dogs well, you are mistaken. His daughter has limited use of one of her arms because a pit bull snaped and bit her.
Nothing you can say will change my mind that we need to breed these dogs out of existance.
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Sandman, APBT. I just got tired of typing APBT over and over. I assumed everyone knew what I was talking about. I am not too fimiliar with the AKC, but the UKC was created just to include the APBT...which was the first dog it registered. The AKC wouldn't recognize the breed.
Curval, when are you going to notice that ANY dog could have done that to your friends daughter? American Pit Bull Terriers were not bred to be human-aggressive. Maybe you don't know it, but there is a big difference between dog-aggression and human-aggression. That is one of the main reasons APBT's do not make good guard dogs.
I am not saying that your friend was a bad owner or that he mistreated the dog.
I didn't meet that dog, but there is NOW WAY you can tell that the dog showed absolutely no sign of human aggression at some point prior to the attack. I have been working with dogs way too long to buy that. Every breed alive has its fair share of unstable dogs, and they must be killed before they do attack someone. Not any entire breed, just the unstable ones within the breed. As with any dog with enough size to do as much harm as the APBT, you have no choice but to kill the unstable ones.
The problem is that most people who get one of these dogs have no idea what they are doing. Cougar mentioned a 'Pit Bull' killing another dog. But had the fence been high enough and deep enough, and/or the owners attention been in the right place, this wouldn't have happened. As for your friends daughter...had you friend realized the signs that the dog was unstable, then this too would have been avioded. Yet the dog gets blamed instead of the owner.
There is nothing wrong with the APBT. It is the owners who do not know what they are doing that is giving it a bad rap.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Yeah, owners can make a bad dog. But in the case of the pitbull, I disagree. They were bred to kill.
Let me explain it to you this way. You take a tiger cub from birth from a tiger in captivity. You treat it like a household pet, and bring it up well. Would you trust this animal as a household pet? You wouldn't because you know that instinctively, that tiger is a killer and could eat your kids. Animals are instinctive, they are animals, that is how they are. Some dogs attack, but when a pitbull attacks he kills, it's in his blood.
Now a pitbull can be fine, but anything can kick in this instinct. Kids walking home from school who get in a fight, dog snaps. Domestic quarrel, dog snaps. It can be a number of things.
It's not the dog's fault, it's in his blood. It's instinct. And I don't care how good of a trainer you are, you can't change that.
Those of you who think "it's not the poor dog, it's the owner, if it had a loving owner it would be different" well, you're living in a nickelodeon fantasy world.
The pitbull terrier can be fine one day, snap the next. It was bred a killer, and that's what it is.
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Originally posted by squelch_19
I didn't meet that dog, but there is NOW WAY you can tell that the dog showed absolutely no sign of human aggression at some point prior to the attack. I have been working with dogs way too long to buy that. Every breed alive has its fair share of unstable dogs, and they must be killed before they do attack someone. Not any entire breed, just the unstable ones within the breed. As with any dog with enough size to do as much harm as the APBT, you have no choice but to kill the unstable ones.
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Every pitbull is unstable
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Originally posted by squelch_19
Every breed alive has its fair share of unstable dogs, and they must be killed before they do attack someone. Not any entire breed, just the unstable ones within the breed. As with any dog with enough size to do as much harm as the APBT, you have no choice but to kill the unstable ones.
There is nothing wrong with the APBT. It is the owners who do not know what they are doing that is giving it a bad rap.
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Every pitbull is unstable
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sorry, can't think of a nicer way to put it- you are a fool.
I've owned many dogs of many breeds, and by far pits are the most stable and predictable, when raised in a stable environment. the only unstable ones I've ever seen (and I've seen hundreds) where owned by unstable people, or wimpy guys who thought owning a tough dog would make them tough, but didn't know the difference between tough and mean.
I've had my current dog (pit/chow mix) for about 12 years. got her when my youngest was 1 yr old. never any problem with unnecessary aggression. never any problem with her not using necessary aggression when the situation called for it.
when raised to be a part of your family (not some toy to take out once a week and impress your friends with how strong his bite is or how aggressively he will attack a lure or other dog) they are IMO the perfect dog to have around children. they will let babies chew on their ears, and use them like a climbing toy and never growl or snap, they can tell the difference between an intruder and a visitor. and they can tell the difference between someone attacking your kid and kids rough housing around (something few dogs can do, you wont fool most pits by having someone pretend to hit you to see how they react, but if the situation comes up for real they are there right now.)
my dog greets everyone who comes to the door with a friendly wagging tail (only exception is she doesn't like cops, my opinion is they put out an attitude that they are in charge and expect to be obeyed, my dog sees this as my house and thinks I'm the only one who should be obeyed). if she is out loose and meets you in the yard she will be extremely friendly.
however if you enter my back yard by climbing a fence. she will run up on you fast without a sound, until she is close enough to nail you, then she will bark until I come out, or if you move she'll attack on her own. the exception to this is children. she just barks immediately and non stop from the time a child who doesn't belong here reaches the top of the fence.
so far she has actually taken down 2 intruders (one inside my home and one stealing tools from the shed). and as I said earlier never an unnecessary aggressive moment, she doesn't even require tranquilizers when the vet trims her nails(most large dogs do), even though she hates it she just whimpers because she knows I wouldn't let them do it if it wasn't good for her.
I never trained this dog (other than your basic house breaking, leash, heal, come, sit, stay) pitbulls will take to these behaviors naturally just like any decent person would feel about protecting his family, and her behavior is not at all uncommon for pits raised in a loving home.
There are only 2 reasons why I don't own a full blooded pit.
bad publicity making people call the police every time your kid leaves the gate open and the dog walks to the front yard.
and she is primarily a house dog in the winter and chows are amazingly clean, but pure bred chows are generally too high-strung to be around children.
btw- the pit in the picture looks to be about 1/8 to 1/4 boxer. good looking pup though, got a pic of him standing?
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Ok, you're willing to recognize the face that they're bred with the instinct to kill other dogs. The jump from killing other dogs to attacking anything else isn't that far of a jump to make.
Yes, it's possible for a dog of any breed to snap and attack a human. Hell, I once had a toy poodle go whacko on me. If a dog is bred to kill ANYTHING, it's not a dog that I'll put in my household. Again, I'm not saying they should be banned. Just saying that i will NEVER be convinced that a pit bull can be just as safe around humans as any other dog. Seen too many things go wrong.
"There isn't anything in this dogs nature that isn't in any other dogs nature, except it likes to fight." That's the whole problem with the pits. A dog that is bred to fight is like a hand grenade. Every now and then you find a dud that never goes off. But when one does go off, it gets messy. Not even worth taking a chance on. If the APBT is just like any other dog except it likes to fight, why would you want to own one? Just because it likes to fight? Because it makes you feel manly to own one of the mean bad pit bulls? If you could get a different dog that would be exactly the same, w/out the instinct to fight. I just don't get it.
Cougar
btw - Engine - I've never hung out on those boards, must be someone else.
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Ugly arse dog imo.
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why would you want to own one?
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the very attributes they where bred for (the ones that make them good at fighting) make them excellent dogs to protect and be a companion for your children.
1. they are tough, sturdy and can take a lot of pain. - kids hurt dogs, they climb on them, bite them, and pull their ears, step on their feet. it happens and if the dog is free to play with your kids unsupervised there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. the pits tolerance for pain makes them much less likely to lash out when the kid hurts them.
2. they are determined and relentless- would you want your dog to give up and run away if the person trying to hurt your kid or break into your home kicked it or yelled?
3. they won’t tolerate being dominated by another animal- this more often than not is what is labeled as the 'lust for a fight'. a pit sees himself as part of your family he sees another dog(or person) who comes in and tries to be dominant as an intruder, most don't have a problem with dogs that are non aggressive or submissive. (the exception is the ones raised by people who shouldn't have any dogs)
4. they are strong and capable of getting the job done. - you could have the most loyal and well trained Chihuahua you want and if I wanted in your house I'd just stomp on him.
5. not naturally inclined to be aggressive with people. - the fighting dogs are strong and quite capable of killing a man. handlers long ago culled the ones who would attack their handlers or couldn't be controlled.
these are the things that where bred into them to make them good fighting dogs, they also make them a great companion for a kid.
btw the reason you hear of so many pit attacks is the police get called and you see it on TV every time a pit barks at someone. little yappy dogs bite way more often than pits but most people would never think to call the news after being bitten by a 'tea-cup poodle'
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
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btw- the pit in the picture looks to be about 1/8 to 1/4 boxer. good looking pup though, got a pic of him standing?
Sorry about the quality...they were taken tonight.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
"There isn't anything in this dogs nature that isn't in any other dogs nature, except it likes to fight." That's the whole problem with the pits. A dog that is bred to fight is like a hand grenade. Every now and then you find a dud that never goes off. But when one does go off, it gets messy. Not even worth taking a chance on. If the APBT is just like any other dog except it likes to fight, why would you want to own one? Just because it likes to fight? Because it makes you feel manly to own one of the mean bad pit bulls? If you could get a different dog that would be exactly the same, w/out the instinct to fight. I just don't get it.
There is no such thing as a 'hand grenade' dog. They all give off clues when they are unstable.
Does it make me 'feel manly to own one of the mean bad pit bulls'? I do not own a 'mean bad pit bull'.
And don't confuse nature with personality traits. I can't get a different dog that would be exactly the same.
Read above.
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good looking pup. he's gonna have a nice muscle structure if you get him enough exercise.
I hope you have a place where you won't have to chain him up (they really hate that and it is a huge factor in contributing to unstable dogs).
still looks like a little bit of boxer in there, judging from the head shape.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
good looking pup. he's gonna have a nice muscle structure if you get him enough exercise.
I hope you have a place where you won't have to chain him up (they really hate that and it is a huge factor in contributing to unstable dogs).
still looks like a little bit of boxer in there, judging from the head shape.
Glad you like him. No Boxer, though.
He is an indoor pet, but there is a large fenced yard for him to tear around in. I'd give him away before I would chain him up. Besides what it does to the dog, most of the time they are chained up there isn't anyone there watching it. So it gets loose and gives people a reason to want the breed banned.
As for exercise...we are up to about 2 miles or so a day.
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My dogs would hump him to death.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
My dogs would hump him to death.
Now I'll have to teach him "Check Six"!:)
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
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why would you want to own one?
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the very attributes they where bred for (the ones that make them good at fighting) make them excellent dogs to protect and be a companion for your children.
1. they are tough, sturdy and can take a lot of pain. - kids hurt dogs, they climb on them, bite them, and pull their ears, step on their feet. it happens and if the dog is free to play with your kids unsupervised there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. the pits tolerance for pain makes them much less likely to lash out when the kid hurts them.
2. they are determined and relentless- would you want your dog to give up and run away if the person trying to hurt your kid or break into your home kicked it or yelled?
1. That is the dumbest reasoning i've ever heard...you are really reaching
2. So I won't be able to pull him off of the child he is mutilating.
Pitbull good pets for children...I think i've heard it all.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
1. That is the dumbest reasoning i've ever heard...you are really reaching
2. So I won't be able to pull him off of the child he is mutilating.
Pitbull good pets for children...I think i've heard it all.
If the dog is such a problem, then why are there so many rescue shelters just for the breed? They have been placing APBT in good homes for a long time...and they couldn't stay in business if the dogs they placed attacked people. The lawsuits would shut them down.
There is also a great many of this breed currently in therapy work (i.e. working with the elderly in nursing homes). How is that possible?
Like I said...it isn't the breed, it is the owners.
Wake Up!!!
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one thing about pits though. I would never get one as a rescue situation. I would never get one that was over 3 months old either unless I personally knew the previous owner for a good long time.
sometimes you can't fully unteach bad habits and they do have the kind of raw power that would make the consiquences of such a situation not worth the effort.
I wouldn't be likely to bring a teenager with a troubled past into my home to live with my children. not that the kid doesn't deserve a good home. just not worth the risk to my children if his past life brings anti social behavior to my home.
If I wouldn't take that kind of risk for a person I wouldn't take it for a dog.
It really saddens me to say it but pits that are taken from abusive or neglected homes need to be destroyed.
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Originally posted by squelch_19
See what I mean about catching Hell from everyone???
But I've been there, done that.
The APBT is most likely the best dog to own if you have children. Just do a search of thier Temperment test scores if you don't believe me.:D
Thank God you are not MY Father! Do you have ANY clue how many people are mangled each year by this breed? Sure, you feel safe having one chained up or running loose in the backyard, but what about when the dog slips his collar or digs under the fence and runs free? These dogs are as close as you can get to a "Killing Machine". I see one on MY property and it's future is as bright as Saddam.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
one thing about pits though. I would never get one as a rescue situation. I would never get one that was over 3 months old either unless I personally knew the previous owner for a good long time.
I agree with you up to a point. People new to owning a dog and people that really don't know anything about this breed should stay away from it, period.
But if you are very familiar with the APBT, have a good understanding of its habits, and can regonize when it is going to do something stupid, then you can safely adopt from about anywhere. Caution is the key...you have to worry over its attitude for a long time.
If it is inclined to bite, you'll know it long before it becomes a problem.
As for killing the ones that have been abused...there is a thin line here. If you meet the above requirments and know what you are getting into, you may have a chance to save the dog. Depends on the dog.
But you HAVE to know what to expect!
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but what about when the dog slips his collar or digs under the fence and runs free?
the fence next door is old and rotten in places. over the last 12 years she has gotten out of the back yard more times than I can count. usually she just goes and lays on the front porch and watches the world go by. or if the neigbor is out doing yard work she'll wander over so she can be petted by someone different today. the first time she was out when the mail man came over he was very worried. now he stops on his route to pet her for a minute if she's out.
my electric meter is in the back yard and they can't see it with binoculars. after several times of her being there and seeing me let him in, and him do his job then leave, she even lets him open the gate and come in the yard to read the meter (as long as he doesnt step on the porch or touch a door knob). she has excepted that it's ok to let him do his job and he's comfortable being around her.
most people who have a problem with pits have never met one or only one raised by an idiot. as I've said before- over my life I've known hundreds of them. and not a single one that was raised in a normal home as a part of the family, was ever mean. nor where the unstable or unpredictable. in fact they where by far the sweetest most loving and calm dogs around people I've ever seen.
also I've never met a person who had a personal account of a pit going crazy or a killing spree, that was raised by someone they knew well, who provided a loving home and didn't chain the dog or use 'special training' to make it attack more.
anyone who I've ever talked to who knew someone with a pit who provided it a good home says the same thing "sweetest dog I ever met"
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Originally posted by rpm371
Thank God you are not MY Father! Do you have ANY clue how many people are mangled each year by this breed? Sure, you feel safe having one chained up or running loose in the backyard, but what about when the dog slips his collar or digs under the fence and runs free? These dogs are as close as you can get to a "Killing Machine". I see one on MY property and it's future is as bright as Saddam.
You got lost. Re-read the post...take your time. I do not chain mine up...it is a house dog. So was the one I owned before. He died at age 15. Never bit anyone.
As far as being a 'Killing Machine'...Dobers, Rots, Sheppards....they kill people also. What scares you is that a 'Pit Bull' gets a whole lot more prime-time news.
Please read the post again.
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I never said YOU chain your dog. I was painting a scenario, but I assume you do not allow the dog to roam the neighborhood. I'm sure your municipallity has some form of leash law and THAT is what I was refering to.
I know people who own this breed and the dogs are sweet as can be...to the Owner. Thank God he DOES keep his on a runline. While helping him repair a lawnmower his suddenly made a charge at me (dog never made a sound) and hit the end of the line INCHES (no exaggeration) away from me. Not sure who was scared more, Me or the Owner.
So when your sweet little Baby gets loose next and attacks someone for the first time lets see just how loving that Mailman and neighbor are then.
Heck, let's just ship all of them to Korea. They are Dog lovers.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I never said YOU chain your dog. I was painting a scenario, but I assume you do not allow the dog to roam the neighborhood. I'm sure your municipallity has some form of leash law and THAT is what I was refering to.
I know people who own this breed and the dogs are sweet as can be...to the Owner. Thank God he DOES keep his on a runline. While helping him repair a lawnmower his suddenly made a charge at me (dog never made a sound) and hit the end of the line INCHES (no exaggeration) away from me. Not sure who was scared more, Me or the Owner.
So when your sweet little Baby gets loose next and attacks someone for the first time lets see just how loving that Mailman and neighbor are then.
Heck, let's just ship all of them to Korea. They are Dog lovers.
Have you read this entire thread? The post where I talked about unstable dogs? And the fact that dogs that are unstable will give off ealry warnings that some time in the future they are going to do something stupid?
They may not make a sound WHEN they attack...but they always show signs that they are LIKELY to. The owner of the dog you mentioned just didn't realize the hints...and you almost paid for it.
But at some point in that dogs life before it lunged at you, it has shown signs that this would happen.
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read this again.
also I've never met a person who had a personal account of a pit going crazy or a killing spree, that was raised by someone they knew well, who provided a loving home and didn't CHAIN THE DOG or use 'special training' to make it attack more.
when you chain a dog, any dog, it effects them. instead of being part of the group (dogs still need their 'pack') it makes them feel isolated and helpless. they see the boundries of the chain as theirs and themselves as the masters of their domain.
the fact that the dog was stopped inches from getting you proves you where very close to invaiding his territory.
when you raise a dog to be part of your family he learns what his place in the family is and what behavior is expected of him.
dogs that are chained only when they are outside unsupervised devolope a sort of multiple personality. when they are fre to be with their family they are sometimes very social but on the chain they become terirotial loners. and often this carrys over to if they escape the chain under their own power.
most dogs should never be on a leash or chain regularly or for extended times unless their owner is holding the other end of it.
the only exception I've found for this is hunting hounds who you want to be agressive and rundown and kill prey.
that dog was owned by someone who didn't have the facilitys to care for the dog properly (ie. fenced yard) or the knowledge of what tying a dog does to them.
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The fact that the dog stopped inches away ONLY proved he was on a STRONG restraint, nothing more. Had he been loose he WOULD have reached me. Yes, I was in his territory at his owners request. He apparently did not give a thought to what his place was in the family, unless his place was to randomly attack his owners guests. Something about me set this animal off, be it the smell of my laundry detergent, color of my hair, whatever. The Owner was shocked as well, he had the dog for years and never saw it behave in that manner, the animal was treated very well and never abused (so much for the Specialized Training theory). Thank God his town DID have an Animal Restraint Law.
As far as the showing signs of attack..I'll make sure to bring The Pet Psychic along to examine every Pit I run across. The Dogs are mean, they have genetic disorders from inbreeding amongst other things. Do you even know what Purebred means?
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You haven't brought up any points that haven't already been made.
And you do not seem to have read the entire thread, or you are just having a hard time grasping it.
We have talked about unstable dogs, random killing, and attacks on humans. And for every one of these there has been an reply posted to it.
The 'Pit Bull' killed another dog. The 'Pit Bull' attacked the child. All this has been posted.
The answer is..."The owner is responsible, in one way or the other."
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Yes, I have read the ENTIRE thread. To quote YOU "This breed will kill another breed. That is what it was bred for." "You can't trust them completely with other dogs. Sooner or later there may be a fight." "People are scared of this breed" "As with any dog with enough size to do as much harm as the APBT, you have no choice but to kill the unstable ones." " So it gets loose and gives people a reason to want the breed banned."
Maybe if you keep repeating that I haven't read it while you click your heels together your wish will come true.
You should check out becoming the national spokesman for the breed. You do more harm by speaking than an opponent ever could.
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Squelch...let me ask you this...why own a pit bull? Why not a lab or some other more pleasant breed?
Are you compensating for something? Must you own a breed that whose sole reason for its existance is due to the fact that it is a good fighter?
I see it all the time...young tough guys with these "tough" dogs. It is like a status symbol.
Fact is though...it is kind of stupid. When women see you walking your dog in a park they will move away or cross the road. When women saw me with my dogs they would cross the road to say hi to my dog, and inevitably me too. I met lots of women this way.
And my friend, whose dog attacked his daughter, did not mistreat his dogs in any way. They were loved and well cared for.
Emily snapped. You dismiss this and say it must have been the owners fault. You are wrong in this case..pure and simple.
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I was mistaken, It is an American Bull Dog, not a Bull Terrier.
The remake of "Incredible Journey" has an American Bull Dog in it.
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Originally posted by Curval
Squelch...let me ask you this...why own a pit bull? Why not a lab or some other more pleasant breed?
Are you compensating for something? Must you own a breed that whose sole reason for its existance is due to the fact that it is a good fighter?
I see it all the time...young tough guys with these "tough" dogs. It is like a status symbol.
Fact is though...it is kind of stupid. When women see you walking your dog in a park they will move away or cross the road. When women saw me with my dogs they would cross the road to say hi to my dog, and inevitably me too. I met lots of women this way.
And my friend, whose dog attacked his daughter, did not mistreat his dogs in any way. They were loved and well cared for.
Emily snapped. You dismiss this and say it must have been the owners fault. You are wrong in this case..pure and simple.
Plus the dog is just butt ugly
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Dogs :)
This is purely speculation on my part and by no means supported by any scientific studies that I know of but I believe that the relationship between man and dog is one that is so ancient and primordial that we have developed a genetic fondness for eachother . It is known that like babies, images of dogs stimulate a pupillary response in people . A fact that has not been lost on the advertising industry .
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When I was a boy I was privledged with the friendship of a couple of Rhodesian Ridgebacks. I've never been around a finer dog. Does anyone else have experience with these hounds ? And if so was your experience dissimilar ?
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I've only been around 2 Ridgebacks and both were the biggest "Momma's Boys" I've seen, and I mean that in a very positive way. I never saw either of them take any sort of aggressive posture. Great Dog.
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Oh I've seen them be very aggressive, but the objects of their aggression were never family members . One was a black bear, and I can tell you that their reputations that they earned as lion hounds in Africa is deserved .
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rpm371
the fact that the dog stopped inches from you not only proved that he was on a strong restraint.
it also proved that he was tied (probably often) and that you where very close to his area.
and curval, a well raised pit is a very pleasant dog to be around. even more friendly than a lab or a st. barnard
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yes, I have read the ENTIRE thread. To quote YOU "This breed will kill another breed. That is what it was bred for." "You can't trust them completely with other dogs. Sooner or later there may be a fight." "People are scared of this breed" "As with any dog with enough size to do as much harm as the APBT, you have no choice but to kill the unstable ones." " So it gets loose and gives people a reason to want the breed banned."
Maybe if you keep repeating that I haven't read it while you click your heels together your wish will come true.
You should check out becoming the national spokesman for the breed. You do more harm by speaking than an opponent ever could.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that most dogs of this breed are perfectly fine family companions? It is the few that have a problem upstairs that is making the rest of the breed look bad.
I have said that when a dog attacks, it has shown signs that it would likely attack a person long before it did the deed. Not every 'Pit Bull' has the tendency to attack people without a very good reason. But you can't seem to get this into your head.
An unstable APBT needs to be put down.
But when the owners of the dog can't notice the hints that at some time in the future their dog might bite someone, then it becomes the owners fault.
Plain and simple.
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Originally posted by Curval
Squelch...let me ask you this...why own a pit bull? Why not a lab or some other more pleasant breed?
Are you compensating for something? Must you own a breed that whose sole reason for its existance is due to the fact that it is a good fighter?
I see it all the time...young tough guys with these "tough" dogs. It is like a status symbol.
Fact is though...it is kind of stupid. When women see you walking your dog in a park they will move away or cross the road. When women saw me with my dogs they would cross the road to say hi to my dog, and inevitably me too. I met lots of women this way.
And my friend, whose dog attacked his daughter, did not mistreat his dogs in any way. They were loved and well cared for.
Emily snapped. You dismiss this and say it must have been the owners fault. You are wrong in this case..pure and simple.
If the only way for you to meet women is to have a dog attract them, your in bad shape. Maybe you have something to compensate for.
And I did say that you friends owner mistreated the dog. I said he didn't figure out by the hints the dog gave off before the attack that it was likely to attack someone.
And that makes it the owners fault. Every dog alive will give off signs that it has intentions to chew someone apart long before it does. You have to know what to look for. If you own a dog that attacks someone and you didn't catch the signs, then it is your fault for your ignorance.
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Keep posting squelch, you're convincing nobody but those that already agree with you. You can say a thousand times that there are signs, it's the owner's fault, they're great with kids, yada yada yada yada. But I, and others from what I see, ain't gonna believe it. I've seen them snap, I've seen them give no warning, and i've seen the results. When dog ownership requires you to watch them for any signs that they may KILL someone, it ain't worth it. I'm not alone in my opinion and I'm quite convinced in my line of thought. So go ahead, post and tell me that I'm wrong. Makes no difference to me. I sincerely hope that you and your dog have a long meaningful relationship, and most of all I hope we never have to hear from you that yours ended up injuring someone.
FWIW I strongly believe ownership is the cause of most aggresive dog attacks. I had a Rottweiler that I raised from a pup. She was dumb as a rock but was the best dog I've ever owned. Rottie's were bred to pull carts. But some people took advantage of their size and trained them to attack. Not the breed's fault, but the owner's. This situation is VASTLY different from that of a pit bull in that the Rottie has no instinct to kill. Their driving instinct is to eat. And when they're done eating, they find the food bag and eat some more. hehe
Cougar
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Plus, his dog is BUTT ugly.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
Keep posting squelch, you're convincing nobody but those that already agree with you. Cougar
I think you are wrong. More people have read this thread than have responded to it. And they can see what I am talking about even though there are a few die-hard anti-'Pit Bull' people such as yourself that post every bad incident they can recall about the dog in an attempt to dissuade others from considering the breed.
I haven't lied about the breed...as a matter of fact I posted some negative things about it myself that most people who own these dogs never have to worry about. If raised right, you'll have no problems from one.
And folks realize this.
BTW...Thanks NUKE!!!!!!!
:)