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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: StSanta on March 27, 2001, 10:52:00 PM
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Aye, it's a good looking plane. And, above 30k it is quite an über one.
Me and Kirin flew it for some sorties yesterday, losing one each to ripped left wing at 400mph.
At any rate, we were down low, 15k and below for 95% of the time. Most fights tend to take place under 15k and when we met higher enemies, they split-s'd and ran for lower altitude.
Down low the TA-152 isn't a über fighter. It isn't particularly fast, doesn't turn well and doesn't climb that good. Nice fighter still, but not more so than say a P51 or a G10.
I'd suggest non perking it or making it cheaper, and modifying the ENY setting - it is ridiculously low as it is.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I agree with you StSanta
Ta152 is fantastic over 30k
but at normal combat altitute 190D9-109G10-P51-F4u-La7-SpittIX are better
so or HT unperk ta152 or 190D9-109G10-P51D-P51B-F4u-La7-SpittIX must all be perked.
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I'm curious about how Ta performs with the same ammount (not %) of fuel than a 190D9. Very limited experience with the Ta, but it seems 50% of fuel is equivalent to 190D9 100%. If I'm right them compare Ta152 50% fuel with D9 100% fuel.
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I agree, and on the opposite side of this coin is the LA-7; its manueverability, speed, and firepower are superb, and yet its not perked?
I hope we see some changes in the perk costs and ENY values next tour, based on the stats that are being produced this tour.
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Originally posted by oboe:
I agree, and on the opposite side of this coin is the LA-7; its manueverability, speed, and firepower are superb, and yet its not perked?
Neither the D9
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I would have agreed with this the first week after 1.06 was released. I don't think I do anymore.
The La-7 is a good plane below 15k. It is better than most down that low. But it is by no means WAY ahead of the crowd in that area. I've killed lots of them and have found them to be somewhat possible to defend against.
I can't say the same for the high-alt 152 or a Tempest at any alt.
The 152 above 25k does something no other fighter can do.. it turns without bleeding all of its E. I was amazed as I was able to actually do several slashing passes on a 25k lancaster the other day. I'd reverse and still be doing 250. I don't know of another plane where that is possible. I was able to re-engage the Lancaster so fast that he thought 3 planes were hitting him instead of 2. It was amazing.
AKDejaVu
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Although I think that DejaVu is correct, and, thus, Ta152 could be consider a perk, I think perking it is not fair. The reason I think this is that altho a 152 properly flown is nearly untouchable for any plane, the way out for the average fiter is easy...go down, and Ta152 either breaks up, or is history. So draw in this particular field. BUT...Ta152 are hi buff interceptors. AND everyone knows how easily buff guns kills anything closer than 1k. It is very very risky business to attack a buff right now.
Resumee: You have a plane that is VERY vulnerable in his way up and in his way down, quite vulnerable in his main task (buff supression) and not particularily often seen in the Arena. Why have it perked?
This is not a buff whine, I think a buff should have the playability edge, but the ultimate reason why I think Ta152 should be unperked or, at the very least, be a really cheap one.
Cheers,
Pepe
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The only thing that can kill a Ta152 when you're flying it is Stupidity... I have been faring quite well in that discipline lately (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
had a verry fun run/fight 44MAG/Natedog & Octavius handed me my b*lls after a quite long hit & run session from your servant in his 2nd Ta152 wreck... ahhh if only I could shoot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
When I die in it, it's because I've been stupid/Gamey enough to go below 20K... of course, the only thing you meet higher up there is the 13TAS... I am usualy back in the tower pretty fast too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Saw
[MASS]
(http://saintaw.cyberspace.be/saw_typh.gif) (http://saintaw.cyberspace.be/ff/)
"I am distracted when I talk to my privates".
Wobble
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-28-2001).]
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Originally posted by oboe:
I agree, and on the opposite side of this coin is the LA-7; its manueverability, speed, and firepower are superb, and yet its not perked?
The LA-7 isn't even close to having the most kills in the arena, and it's kill/death ratio is barely above 1:1.
It has fewer kills and a far worse K/D than the Dora, for example.
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How many rookies flying the LA-7? Most of my kills against a LA-7 pilot are when they are behind someone. D9 as it is I would bet mos tof the kills are HO's or getting behind someone that is behind someone else. As I see it do not perk the D-9, do not perk the LA-7 or 51, unperk the TA-152, or make it relateivle cheap say 10 perkies. For the kind of combat that takes place the D9 & 152 are not uber, thats for sure.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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look at the stats again...
F4c vs all planes:
F4uc 16759 kills 11635 deaths
dora 8035 kills 6048 deaths
the f4c is still uber and has been for tours and tours! you get the dora against you and you want it perked in its first tour??! LOL
and just a little fact:
F4Uc 23582 kills 16716 deaths for tour 13
dora 0 vs 0 !!!
give us some time before you allied fliers throw your rattle out of your crib and demand the dora is perked.Lets say what you said to us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
'if you cant outfly it learn to fly in it'
yeah exactly what we thought (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
youve had it easy verses my old' 190a8 for a long time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) and now i want some payback time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 03-28-2001).]
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If you want to perk everything over 1.0 k/d that's fine with me, but if we're going to have perks I don't think the second highest k/d should be unperked.
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If yer gonna perk anything, perk the chutes. Just did a comparison of all models vs all models from the stats page and chutes have 932 kills and 0 deaths.
Little rediculous dont you think???
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
-Ding
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Fighter kills since the release of 1.06:
F4u-1C: 7384:5365 1.38k/d
La-7: 6179:5650 1.09k/d
Spit-9: 6149:6143 1.00k/d
Dora: 6107:4424 1.38k/d
AKDejaVu
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the f4c is still uber and has been for tours and tours! you get the dora against you and you want it perked in its first tour??! LOL
YES!
I've seen in this BBS (and for month) some LW fan screaming the that CHog should be perked (which is no more needed with the current planeset IMO).
And as my 30$ are as good as your I want to use my "constitutional" right to whine for the next 10 tours (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
CroA~CroA~CroA
(http://saintaw.cyberspace.be/straffo_sig.gif)
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I totally agree with Santa.
Alright, the Ta152 is a very late war plane that saw combat in only very limited numbers but its performance in AH MA is far from being ahead of the rest of the planeset. It rules at 30k, that's true - oth the La7 rules at sealevel. I think we have to look at average performance in MA - there it is quite on par with the common late war planes.
Speed: at low to med alt it is rather on the slower end.
Manouverability: decent roll, decent turn - not shining in one category but nice combination - still outmanouvered by a La7 easily.
Guns: decent punch for a LW fighter - suffers from the lousy MG151 as any LW plane here - 90 Mk108 shells are nice to turn planes into firballs but only below 200 yards - still no match for Hispanos - hey even a Spit is deadlier at medium to far range!!
Climb: below par until high alt - althoug it has quite good acceleration (read those 2 factors are closely connected on several occasions on this board... ?? )
All in all a good plane but no monster. Perk it for its average performance in AH MA? No! (or cheap perk if other late war planes e.g. P51D, 109G10, 190D9, La7 etc get perked too) Perk it for shift of balance/popularity? No! People rather fly the D9 because it's "Hunstang" abilities or the G10. Others but LW fanatics won't touch it anyway. Perk it because its lack of use in RL? Yup, but as I understand HTC this shouldn't be a criterium.
About the tendency to rip wings: Yup, those wings are long and narrow (almost like a glider... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ); they look fragile. But still I think the Ta152 is too prone to rip wings (happened to me 3 times now in Ta152 - I maybe ripped wings once in a other plane since AH Beta!). Especially the left wing shows a tendency to fall off at a speed of around 400 mph - and I am always gentle on the stick, no spiking or whatsoever. Very annyoning when you pull after a con in lag pursuit (almost same speed thus less force) and he comes around while you loose a wing.
Just my observation.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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~Kirin~
(http://the_kirin.tripod.com/Sig_Ta152f150.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 03-29-2001).]
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I am yet to get killed in Ta-152.
That plane IS a beast if You know how to fly it.
I have 8 kills in it,2 mustangs ,3 n1K,1 B26
are the ones I remember.
You just have to make sure You are 25K+ ,or have total advantage.
It can have a lot of fuel,that would make it a perfect high alt escort if it wasn`t perked.
All HQ raids would make it to target with Ta152 escort,50 perks make people think twice to risk it though.
I say keep it perked.
I haven`t enough points for arado,coz I don`t like bombing flights,but I think it`s cool that we don`t need to worry about mass jetbomber raids,all kinda dweebs abusing them
high end planes..
D9 is very nice,finally a LW plane that can
kill N1Ks easy.
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Caligula - you have 8 kills in the Ta152 so far - that does mean rather little fighting in it. Sure, if you stay above 25k and only attack when everything is at your favour and if you disengage at the slightest disadvantage you prolly won't get killed in the Ta152 - but that is true for most of the planes.
I have to be killed in the 109F4 yet this tour! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (4 kills only though... :P )
Speaking of streaks... Fishus 200-something (or 300??!!) streak in the FW190A8 is still to be broken!
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Sure 8 kills aren`t many,but I only use it when I need to kill very high buffs or something like that,except for the first test run I made.
Perk planes are meant to be used at special setuations IMO, not for furballing.
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Explain that to the guy who was on the deck in the tempest. I think it was Voos<spl>? Was 1 guy at the base defending, had a buff overhead and a M3 almost to the base, I was flying over hte field at about 8K and some reason decided to go down on deck, reported over RW possible low con coming in using shoreline ridge for cover, sure enough bamn here comes a Tempest right at me and he was moving. We did a HO, I hit him with a ew 20mm and saw smoke coming from his engine, so I knew I got him good, he did get the m3 though, so we rolled another M3, and sure enough here comes that tempest again on the deck heading str8 for the M3. By this time a N1k had taken off I tried vulching him but came in with way to slow, and tried to go vertical after hitting him a couple times, wrong move and I paid for it. Lost both aerilons, but was able to ditch. So what I am getting at is, this guy lost 140 perks for a base defense and stopped it for we couldn't attack it again. How many others out there would do this? Salute to this pilot, defending 24 from 43.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron