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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on March 20, 2003, 10:17:12 AM
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Commander of the US 5th fleet stood in front of a gathering of his sailors and said:
"When the President says go, look out, it's Hammer time."
Lt Col Tim Collins of the British Army had this to say to his men:
"The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his Nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction - there are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam."
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P.S. It's Hammer time? When did this man last watch MTV?
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Too many words! My brain hurts!
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LOL.
It's Hammer Time.
damn straight. and i hope like hell he watches less tv than us. ;)
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I thought the "hammer time" speach was poor as well. The sailors were probably laughing in the background.
Good pep-talk by the Brit.
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Funny, I was watching the "Hammer time" speech (prolly not live though) and it sure sounded like he'd run outta things to say and said the 1st thing he thought of.
I mean sure, ok it worked....or would have done 10 years ago....but if that Admiral whatshisname watches the tape back I bet he'll be cringing.
Lesson 1: if ya cant make it up yourself employ a PR guy. Bush does.....there is no shame in being a crap public speaker.
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Which is better, a speech that is somber and dark, like the Brits?
Or a speech that is optimistic and cocky?
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Which is better, a speech that is somber and dark, like the Brits?
Or a speech that is optimistic and cocky?
The first one.
Somber and dark is a realistic approach to war.
The second sounds like cowboy.
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actions speak louder than words.
i liked the brit speach.. i like the navy's berevity.
substance is the same.
'kick ass. don't stop to take names.'
The second sounds like cowboy.
we ARE 'cowboys'. we ain't brits. he was talking to his squids. not brits. ;)
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Wow... evaluating generals based on their performance in front of a camera.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Curval
The second sounds like cowboy.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. :)
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Wow... evaluating generals based on their performance in front of a camera.
No. Evaluating generals performance in front of a camera, based on their performance in front of a camera.
Do try to keep up.
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I just know that either is better then a canadian. Dont get me started...
In Panama in 85 The comander of the US airborne unit I was attatched to for the Jungle Warfare course actually said.
"When you finish this coarse you will be a high speed, low drag jungle night fighter..nothing more, nothing less. Take a deep breath.. think about it...Let it out.
The whole battalion screams AIR BORNE!
and then the comander almost wispers..air borne..
My platoon almost couldnt stop ourselves from laughing..
But they were not faking it. It seemed cheesy to us but they were into it. Our version of Esprit de Corps was quite a bit different but it worked for them.
The year before I had been attatched to a Brit battalion for a month of live fire training. That comander was this aristocratic kind of guy..and when he talked all his own troops were rolling thier eyes. He was no where near in touch with his own troops.
I have had canadian generals and battalion comanders say such absolutly stupid things infront of 1000s of troops that I will not shame my country by repeating them without many beers to pry it loose. Honestly. Guys where trying to figure out what had been said for years afterwords..
Id say both those guys did well for thier target audiences. Either speech would have worked well for Canadian troops.
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I'll tell you what, no matter what he says, if his men are with him and believe in him that is all that matters..
I used to hate marching, hate it with a passion...then in AIT we had this drill sargeant (that I totally didn't know) that could call cadence like no one ever saw, I swear we could have marched till all we had left were bloody nubs for legs enthusiasticly singing the whole way as long as he was beside us.
it just makes all the difference.
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Dowd, DjV,
you're both wrong. It's an Admiral and a Lt Colonel.
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Maybe next you could start a thread on who's uniform had the sharpest creases?
MiniD
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Dont be daft, everyone knows the Brits take hot presses and mobile steam power supplies to war :rolleyes:. Gotta have the creases in the right place when you're facing the enemy dontchaknow.
Yanks bring BBQ's and crates of coke instead.
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I'd the the best test of any officer is how many of his men come home unscathed after achieveing the unit objective.
I really don't give a hoot about how well he speecifies. The question is can he train and lead men into battle and bring them home again.
IMO.
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Brits should be happy that our Leaders are the way they are. For example...
General Patton's Address to the Troops, June 5, 1944
http://www.rightwingnews.com/speeches/patton.php
a few lines
General Patton
I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a whoopeeed thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living toejam out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like toejam through a tin horn!
Americans are Cowboys and Americans win wars.
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Pongo, did the Brit commander have a swagger stick? Monty always seemed to love his. :)
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and yet they still wipe their tulips with their fingertip and use the tiny bit of toilet paper to then wipe off their finger and wipe under the nail..
somethin is just outta wack there.
maybe they could steam clean their bellybutton and go creaseless.
just a suggestion.
Originally posted by Swoop
Dont be daft, everyone knows the Brits take hot presses and mobile steam power supplies to war :rolleyes:. Gotta have the creases in the right place when you're facing the enemy dontchaknow.
Yanks bring BBQ's and crates of coke instead.
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Kanth! STOP THAT!
....... at least until I finish the morning coffee. Now, I've got to de-coffee the keyboard!
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:D heh, good one.
but I feel I need to point out that it's the Officers that get the presses and multiple reams of toilet paper, it's the squaddies that get 1/2 a roll per 100 men and no presses.....and then get beastings for not having creases in the right places and toejam stained trigger guards.
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Swoop, is it true then that "pull my finger" originated as a means to cleanliness amongst the other ranks?
;)
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Nah, we only ask the officers to do that.
Oh and anyone from the Army Catering Corps.
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Returning to the subject for a second here.
Is this better?
The Queen:
May your mission be swift and decisive, your courage steady and true, and your conduct in the highest traditions of your service both in waging war and bringing peace.
My thoughts are with you all, and with your families and friends who wait at home for news and pray for your safe return.
At this moment in our nation's history, I would like to express my pride in you, the British service and civilian personnel deployed in the Gulf and in the vital supporting roles in this country and further afield.
I have every confidence in your professionalism and commitment as you face the challenges before you.
Elizabeth R
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Americans are Cowboys and Americans win wars.
And the British don't?
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I hear can openers...................... ...............
woop bellybutton is now open...........
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Naaa the Brits have been fighting longer then us and have that stiff upper lip thingy going. We are a bit more amatuer in this sort of thing. They sound so cool like that like just another day in the office.
Gotta love the UK they have this sounding like a warrior thing down pat.
We are learning ;)
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Dowding wrote:
And the British don't?
No one said the British didn't win wars.
Curval just used "Cowboy" in a derogatory way and some people took offence to it.
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No he didnt.
he said the second sounds like a cowboy.
How is that derogatory? As Hang pointed out, you ARE cowboys.
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Reminds me of a skit I saw a while back.....
"He's not gay, he's just really really British!"
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Its because the british accent does not lend itself to tough cool-talk.
They are cursed with shakespeare hehehe.
I liked the Queens words far more than Bush's though. Bush repeats himself so much my ears bleed during his 4 minute speeches.
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I think Americans are more motivated by the jeering-cheering speeches, not the calm and collected stuff.
Kind of the same way that tingle goes up your spine when you hear a fighter jet roar by you in full afterburners.
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OIO,
watch the film 'Snatch' and then try to say that again.
[Thick Cockney accent - no not the one Dick Van Dijk tries]
"Do you know what the word Nemesis means? Nemesis, the deliverance of rightous retribution from an appropriate source. Personified in this case by me, an 'orrible bigtoe."
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General Patton's Address to the Troops, June 5, 1944
You've never actually heard sound bites of Patton speaking, he makes Mike Tyson sound like Barry White.
i dunno how he being five foot nothing could motivate troops.
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I can't imagine Russian officers or generals saying such things to the media. They talk in a way to show they just do their job, no foot-stomping, chest-thumping and "kill em all" shouts.
Such words make "coalition" commanders look like murderers to me. Just my HO. I will never understand such things. They have orders and directions, they simply have to do what they are supposed to, without all that rhethorics about "hammer time" or "nemesis". Such words should be said by stinky politicians.
Damn, they don't even fight for their land and security of their people... Good addition to the agressor's image.
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One of the best American Military speech/response during war....."Nuts".
Cobra
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I have friends in the UK and I will tell you this:
The Brits are Awesome.
They are the best friggin' allies in the world. And I would gladly go to war (if i wasnt insane) at their side anyday.
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Theres 2000 Aussies in the Combat line also you know.
If we'd have heard either speech, no doubt there would have been a quick turn of the head to the bloke on the side and a small whisper of.... "bananas"
ROFL
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Originally posted by Swoop
Commander of the US 5th fleet stood in front of a gathering of his sailors and said:
"When the President says go, look out, it's Hammer time."
LOL thats remind me..... " you are wise people, protect your freedom with swords.. "
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They make great traders as well.
Originally posted by N1kPaz
I have friends in the UK and I will tell you this:
The Brits are Awesome.
They are the best friggin' allies in the world. And I would gladly go to war (if i wasnt insane) at their side anyday.
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Originally posted by Turdboy
Dowding wrote:
No one said the British didn't win wars.
Curval just used "Cowboy" in a derogatory way and some people took offence to it.
Hey Turboy, et al
You have me all wrong. I think that Patton speech is kick ass. It is pure cowboy and pure brilliance in firing up his troops. I honestly felt like kicking a German in the balls after reading it!
But, what is better for a public display on the news that your entire country is watching, that..or something a tad more tactful?
No offense to cowboys or Americans meant at all.
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I like being a real cowboy.
Emphasis on "Real" cowboy. I live in Nebraska and was raised on the farm.
Not that I advertise it much. I don't like the hat or the boots. I ride a Four-wheeler, not a horse.
But we do exist.