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Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: muckmaw on March 20, 2003, 03:04:03 PM
No news on condition of crew. Pentagon confirms aircraft down. Rescue ops already underway.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 20, 2003, 03:10:47 PM
Enemy fire, crew error, or aircraft failure?

Hope they get them out safe.  
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: LePaul on March 20, 2003, 03:13:52 PM
Mechanical Issue, according to the latest news
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: muckmaw on March 20, 2003, 03:18:25 PM
Cnn reporting they took fire but did not specify what actually took the aircraft down.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: SOB on March 20, 2003, 03:27:27 PM
I hope they made it to the ground in one piece.  It'll be hillarious when they stumble back across the lines with 100 Iraqi soldiers in toe...all wishing to surrender to them.  :D


SOB
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Hortlund on March 20, 2003, 03:39:47 PM
MSNBC says the AH-64 was able to take off again and that the crew is OK.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Eaglecz on March 20, 2003, 04:00:54 PM
may be they was a bit hungry, so they had pause for hamburger :D
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 04:01:58 PM
second heli down already..helicopters suck
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 04:03:39 PM
did u hear it on the news? cnn website doesn'tsay anything
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Kanth on March 20, 2003, 04:11:47 PM


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Originally posted by udet
second heli down already..helicopters suck
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 04:13:10 PM
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Originally posted by Kanth


is that like a "fvck you"?
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Kanth on March 20, 2003, 04:22:07 PM
it's a single finger salute :)


btw that's only unless it's not directed to Furious, then I'm just addressing him and not flipping him off.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on March 20, 2003, 04:22:14 PM
Basically Kanth is flippin you the bird.

And helicopters certainly do not suck, ask any Vietnam or Korean war vet who got lifted out of a hot LZ by one with life threatening wounds.
-SW
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 04:29:36 PM
well, 2 of them are already written off in less than 24hours. Military helicopters crash regularly when not in combat too, almost every week one pops up in the news. Either the equipment, the maintenance people or the Army pilots suck!!!
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Drifter1234 on March 20, 2003, 06:43:12 PM
Udet, trying to think of a nice way to say this but can not  so   "You are a sweet moron".

Obviously your only experience in a helicopter is the kiddie ride in front of a Walmart.  Your observations are extremely insulting to our soldiers.  


A) We have excellent helicopters in the military. Helicopters have a lot more parts than a fixed wing aircraft therefore they are more prone to breakdown.


B) The Army helicopter ground crews are highly trained and work in extremely difficult conditions. They work close to the front lines and not at airbases.  They are tireless and do a fantastic job considering the number of hours the aircraft are in the air.

OBTW in case you forgot "You are a sweet moron".

C) Flying a helicopter is very difficult.  It  one of the most dangerous positions in the military.  The environment that the aircraft and crews must work in is very dangerous.  Imagine (pretend you have more than 2 brain cells) playing AH with a max ceiling of 100 ft and most of your flying is at night.  Lots of pilots with be frustrated with the number of times they contact the turf.   Helicopter pilots work in  a very harsh and unforgiving environment and they can hold their heads high for their skills. Helicopter pilots work close to the turf and sometimes it bites you (not many things to collide with at 20K)

Friendly reminder "You are a sweet moron"

Just my own 2 cents worth.

Drftr

Ex-army pilot
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 06:47:42 PM
Drifter1234, since you admit that "helicopters are more prone to breakdown" you just made the same point I did-thet helicopters suck. However, from your insults I infer that you disagree with me...which makes no sense.
Therefore, you are the f*cking moron, and not to be mean, but the fact that you "ex Army pilot" are not yet dead in a helicopter crash only proves that you are lucky.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: icemaw on March 20, 2003, 06:50:41 PM
Helicopters dont fly they are so ugly the ground repells them. But every once in a while the ground forgets about them so they fall down.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 06:52:09 PM
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Originally posted by icemaw
Helicopters dont fly they are so ugly the ground repells them. But every once in a while the ground forgets about them so they fall down.



I heard the very same thing just yesterday :)
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: Drifter1234 on March 20, 2003, 07:00:57 PM
Udet,

You are welcome to your opinion, I have no desire to get in a pissing contest with you.  

Yes, I am "lucky" to have have served with many brave and talented individuals.  


Drftr
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: SirLoin on March 20, 2003, 07:03:41 PM
lol
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: davidpt40 on March 20, 2003, 08:24:09 PM
Helicopters are death traps.  The men who fly them are very brave.  But they do crash much more (percentage wise) than fixed wing aircraft.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: udet on March 20, 2003, 08:33:53 PM
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Helicopters are death traps.  The men who fly them are very brave.  But they do crash much more (percentage wise) than fixed wing aircraft.


thank you...I admit to their usefulness, but I wouldn't want to fly one.
Title: AH-64 Apache Down in Iraq
Post by: medicboy on March 20, 2003, 08:42:15 PM
I fly in helicopters for a living.  All of our pilots are ret. military helo pilots, my boss (owns the company)  is a ret Lt Col.  who comanded and flew the AH-64A's in the 101'st.  I have done some pretty amazing things in helicopters and saved a lot of lives because of the ability to set down in any 50x50 foot clearing.  But a year ago, dam exactly a year ago we lost one of our helos, killed the pilot and the medic, flight nurse was back at work as soon as he got the cast off his leg.  The crash was caused by flying over a large body of calm water, and losing track of altitude. (pilot error).  The pilot that was flying was retired army oh58 scout pilot with more than 10,000 hrs in helos, and 30 years of experience in every corner of the world.    Just goes to show that watermelon happens, even to the best