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Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Major_Hans on March 20, 2003, 11:06:49 PM

It's one of the principles of warfare, Sun-zu wrote about.

Deception in an attack.

You make it look like one thing, then do something completely different.

So the government tells the reporters up to now that it will be one hell of a bang all at once in a huge blitzkrieg, "That will shock and awe the enemy into surrender."

Maybe it will, but after 24 hours of "war" it has been anything but.  I've seen one small raid on Bagdad to try and kill Saddam himself, and some a small town captured on the coastline.

The moral of the story is, don't be so gullible.  The government and military commanders absolutely do NOT want you to have a clue about what the real plan is.  It seems most news networks bought right into it.

Shock and Awe could come latter, or never.  We'll talk about the real plan's specific details latter, say in about five years.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: LePaul on March 20, 2003, 11:11:14 PM

Lying to the press?

Reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live skit from the first Persian Gulf War...the spoof of the Pentagon Briefing "Is there any information you can give us to help the Iraquis?"

I'm impressed how the war is going...with the goal being regime change, its interesting to see if Saddam's higher ups stay or turn on him.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Rasker on March 20, 2003, 11:11:26 PM

It's more that they don't want the enemy to have a clue.  They used the same thing in the last Gulf War, claimed that a frontal assault on Kuwait would be lead by the allied Arab armies

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Rasker on March 20, 2003, 11:14:38 PM

acoording to Fox surrender negotiations are going on right now with members of Saddam's inner circle

Brits say 20% of the Republican guard is already in the process of surrendering  :)

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: funkedup on March 20, 2003, 11:16:09 PM

AP has Pentagon sources saying the strike yesterday may indeed have killed Saddam.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: LePaul on March 20, 2003, 11:17:00 PM

See?  Clearly these Iraquis have learned a lot from their French allies   :p

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Rasker on March 20, 2003, 11:18:54 PM

yeah they gonna rename the group the Garde Republicaine

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Meatwad on March 20, 2003, 11:24:30 PM

Went to work this morning and heard that 20,000 Iraqui troops had surrendered overnight. Think that number is a little high, but some surrendered for sure.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Nash on March 20, 2003, 11:36:49 PM

If there is any disinformation (likely) I would think it'd have less to do with "shock 'n awe" and more to do with the surrender negotiations.

If shock 'n awe was a bluff, then the fact that it never comes could bolster the Iraq soldiers. "Ha, they aint so tuff - bring it on". On the otherhand, if you're hearing that a bunch of your fellow soldiers are in the process of surrendering, do you really want to be the guy that sticks it out? It's the same sort of tactic you see every week on NYPD Blue. :)

Wheeee isn't groundless speculation fun?! :D

Why stop there...

I read somewhere that after Tariq Aziz emerged for a press conference to dispell the rumors that he was dead, the US intel folks simply tracked him heading back to the command bunker where there real strike took place. Oops. My gut tells me that it wasn't Hussein we saw on the tube last night. Just didn't seem like the same guy we saw on the 60 minutes interview. I think... er I hope he's dead. Sure would be nice if the war ended almost before it began.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Lazerus1 on March 21, 2003, 12:05:46 AM

Think it did.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Martlet on March 21, 2003, 12:06:45 AM

Fox, CNN, and BBC reported that "Shock and Awe" were postponed.  This was because the coalition was contacted by members of the Iraq military (they mentioned specific units, but I forgot them) who declared there was an internal struggle going on, and they wanted to negotiate surrender of those 2 units.  The purpose of "Shock and Awe" was said to be to cause confusion and fear in the Iraqi troops, pushing them to surrender.  If this is happening already, obviously "Shock and Awe" isn't neccessary.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Puke on March 21, 2003, 12:23:18 AM

I'm kinda in shock and awe about how this is going.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Tarmac on March 21, 2003, 12:45:31 AM

I hope they don't do "shock and awe" for the sole reason that it's  the dumbest name I've ever heard for a military operation.

Title: I beleave that the government lied about "Shock and Awe"
Post by: Glasses on March 21, 2003, 01:21:08 AM

Wouldn't it be funny if Aziz himself was the mole that did  mr Hussein in,wouldn't that be lovely LOL.

I hope he is either dead or in agony the little  phuck deserves it.