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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Meatwad on March 21, 2003, 12:07:47 AM
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Pentagon had reported that some of its members feel that Saddam has already been killed in the initial strike. Also reported that Iraqui leadership "is few and running on its last cylinders."
Maybe this war will be over with sooner then we thoght.
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Pentagon ??
do you mean Pentagon ??? that HQ of american propaganda ?
bring more sources mate, pentagos is as trusted as rabbit :)
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Yes lets listen to iraqi news to get the real truth... Or better yet lets consult some old commist party newspapers...
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lol actualy post communist Grun, you better check politilac map
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I said "old" communist didnt I....
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old communist isnt same as post communist
is it ?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes lets listen to iraqi news to get the real truth... Or better yet lets consult some old commist party newspapers...
GH, were you in your "land of free" told that Iraqi TV channels are removed from sattelite transponders? F#$k their contracts, very nice for the country that boasts it's "freedom of speech".
So far the only news source from Iraqi side I have found are the reports from Iraqi ambassador in Moscow. Isn't it the reason for the order to close Iraqi embassies and other diplomatic offices that was issued by your Leader?
Unlike during the agression in Serbia, this time information blockade looks really successfull. If you still have some remnants of common sence still not replaced by CNN crap, you have to understand that 99% of what Western media shows you is fake.
About Communist Party newspapers: now I understand that they were right at least in one thing. American imperialists are a real threat to peace in the whole world.
BTW, how do you know anything about what you call "communism"? I doubt that a 20 year old refugee from former Yugoslavia can know anything about it.
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How screwy has the media become and how confused is the average dumb toejam on the street that information from the PENTAGON is now "suspect?"
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Originally posted by Boroda
If you still have some remnants of common sence still not replaced by CNN crap, you have to understand that 99% of what Western media shows you is fake.
About Communist Party newspapers: now I understand that they were right at least in one thing. American imperialists are a real threat to peace in the whole world.
Hahahahaha....man you are a real gem. I keep trying to change the stereotype in my mind of a Russian citizen, but you keep reinforcing it. :)
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Originally posted by Boroda
GH, were you in your "land of free" told that Iraqi TV channels are removed from sattelite transponders? F#$k their contracts, very nice for the country that boasts it's "freedom of speech".
So far the only news source from Iraqi side I have found are the reports from Iraqi ambassador in Moscow. Isn't it the reason for the order to close Iraqi embassies and other diplomatic offices that was issued by your Leader?
Unlike during the agression in Serbia, this time information blockade looks really successfull. If you still have some remnants of common sence still not replaced by CNN crap, you have to understand that 99% of what Western media shows you is fake.
About Communist Party newspapers: now I understand that they were right at least in one thing. American imperialists are a real threat to peace in the whole world.
BTW, how do you know anything about what you call "communism"? I doubt that a 20 year old refugee from former Yugoslavia can know anything about it.
99% you say? Really. Fascinating. (Looks around the room for an excuse to slowly move away from this guy. Obviously bipolar or deranged or retarded. Hope he does not carry a weapon as well.)
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Originally posted by Habu
99% you say? Really. Fascinating. (Looks around the room for an excuse to slowly move away from this guy. Obviously bipolar or deranged or retarded. Hope he does not carry a weapon as well.)
Habu-
This is very insulting. He is neither Bi-polar, deranged or Retarded. He's just Russian. I think that encompasses all three.
So in a effort to save time, just write "Russian" in the future.
Borada-
Are you folks still pissed about that "Cold War" thing? It's over, Bro. Communism did not work. Get over it, and join the Russian Mafia already.
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
old communist isnt same as post communist
is it ?
In what I was saying that is irrelevant, I simply called them old communists and you (brilliantly?) noted that the cold war was over.... :rolleyes:
My point is the same old communists run the newspapers now and I's ure they will give unbiased info about the old capitalist imperial pig as before ... Unless of course you all of a sudden belive that things have dramatically changed in the former commie countries and that the old communists still arent influental.. That would contradict your earlier stements wouldnt it...
You cant really be that stupid to not understand that can you?
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All hail glorious mother russia! Bring back the commies, down with imperialist American pigs! Yakoff Shmirnoff for president!!!
SOB
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OK, let's see.
Lights not blacked out on any TV footage from Bagdad.
"Live cameras" show looped 2-4 minute tapes.
Armour convoy stopped because of "lack of fuel", after advancing for 150km (!!!) in one day.
The chopper "accident" is the obvious attempt to hide casualities, method well known since Korean war. The whole thing probably leaked only because some Brits were killed.
"Fires" in Bagdad are not confirmed by reporters who stay there.
To be continued.
The American Army media policy is still extremely strict, from the times of first Gulf war. The censorship is total, and US sources admit it.
Here some news sites publish radio-reconeissance reports from theater of operations. I can't call it reliable, maybe they are just figments of someone's imagination, but if they contain no more then 10% of truth - I pity "coalition" soldiers :(
And can someone tell me why Iraqi TV channels were removed from sattelites?
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BORODA
Tie Dorak
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Oh you're right Boroda, we are actually probably getting our tulips kicked and we're down to about 5 guys left.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
My point is the same old communists run the newspapers now and I's ure they will give unbiased info about the old capitalist imperial pig as before ... Unless of course you all of a sudden belive that things have dramatically changed in the former commie countries and that the old communists still arent influental.. That would contradict your earlier stements wouldnt it...
GH, unlike your so-called "free world", here we have all kinds of media, from radical right pro-american magazines to radical-left National-Bolshevik "revolutionary" leaflets. We have access to any information, not only the "party line" crap your media feeds you.
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Originally posted by JBA
BORODA
Tie Dorak
What am I supposed to tie?
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George Bush is consulting with Hitler from beyond the grave.
"Live Shots" from Iraq are really re-runs from the I Love Lucy show.
US ground troops have been defeated, a coverup is in progress. Film of a trucker convoy from Smokey and the Bandit is being subsituted to fool the US public.
It's raining choppers, and men.
Bahgdad is the Dresden of the new century.
To be continued...
I am paranoid and out of my mind. There is a man trying to break into my apartment and the CIA is monitoring my communications. Still, the Russian Underground news will continue, I will not be bullied. Where's my aluminum hat?!
SOBoda
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I normally try to restrain myself on the BBS, but there's really no other way to say it.
You're a diddlying retard Boroda. I'm convinced you're not even a real human, you must be some Communist bot written by a bored Russian software engineer.
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""""Lights not blacked out on any TV footage from Bagdad""""
turning out the lights would not protect bagdad, this is not WW2, americans can bomb with lights on or off, iraq govt knows this so why turn them off, by leaving the lights on the iraqis can move emergency units better.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Oh you're right Boroda, we are actually probably getting our tulips kicked and we're down to about 5 guys left.
Where did I say that?
This "reports" I mentioned are maybe even less reliable then Western propaganda factory :(
The problem is that this "news" will be very popular here. Last night our third TV channel (Moscow local) had a poll. 60000 votes hope Iraq will win this war, only 12000 support "coalition" forces. 1 to 5. Something to think about... :rolleyes:
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Nice example of a hysteria. Purely medical.
Keep on, it's funny. exactly like on a Young Communist meeting back in the 80s.
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Damn, I don't have a tinfoil hat, anyone post plans or a link for one?
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Boroda wrote:
The problem is that this "news" will be very popular here. Last night our third TV channel (Moscow local) had a poll. 60000 votes hope Iraq will win this war, only 12000 support "coalition" forces. 1 to 5. Something to think about...
Just makes me think that 60000 people in Moscow are idiots. (60001 including you)
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Boroda, did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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Originally posted by Boroda
Nice example of a hysteria. Purely medical.
Keep on, it's funny. exactly like on a Young Communist meeting back in the 80s.
Us kicking your bellybutton in the cold war was no propaganda, though. Now go stand in line for your toilet paper ration.
I see now why all the Russian women are trying to find husbands in the US.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Where did I say that?
This "reports" I mentioned are maybe even less reliable then Western propaganda factory :(
The problem is that this "news" will be very popular here. Last night our third TV channel (Moscow local) had a poll. 60000 votes hope Iraq will win this war, only 12000 support "coalition" forces. 1 to 5. Something to think about... :rolleyes:
Of course they want Iraq to win the war. This way you can keep supplying them with those 2nd rate weapons systems you've been selling them on since the 60's. How about that Iraqi air force, folks?
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Originally posted by Turdboy
Just makes me think that 60000 people in Moscow are idiots. (60001 including you)
They just remember that 60 years ago bombs were falling here.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Us kicking your bellybutton in the cold war was no propaganda, though. Now go stand in line for your toilet paper ration.
I see now why all the Russian women are trying to find husbands in the US.
No doubt US won the propaganda war. The real master of lies. I am happy that you understand this.
Toilet paper ration?! Who needed it? Pravda was printed on very soft paper ;)
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Boroda wrote:
They just remember that 60 years ago bombs were falling here.
So what?
I remember having hemorrhoids 10 years ago but I still think SH needs to go!
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Ah, the Comedy Connection checks in! Great!
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Originally posted by Turdboy
Boroda wrote:
So what?
I remember having hemorrhoids 10 years ago but I still think SH needs to go!
You are an amazinhunk, Tardboy.
Probably not as big and stinky as Saddam, but there is no excuse for such ignorance.
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Originally posted by Boroda
They just remember that 60 years ago bombs were falling here.
BS Alert! BS Alert!
What happend to those memories when the USSR invaded Afghanistan and bombed the toejam out of them for 10 years? Or wasthat all western propaganda too?
You are such a freak Boroda....
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Originally posted by Toad
Ah, the Comedy Connection checks in! Great!
I am happy to see you here! :) You are the last person to complete the "amerika uber alles" clown crew.
People die there, real people. All because of some silly ambitions of world dominance.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Alert! BS Alert!
What happend to those memories when the USSR invaded Afghanistan and bombed the toejam out of them for 10 years? Or wasthat all western propaganda too?
You are such a freak Boroda....
I thought it was an American "freedom fighter" (or do you call them "peace keepers"?) who bombed a funeral crowd in Afghanistan?
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Hurray he's here everyone...Boroda, the communist clown!
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I doubt we could ever slaughter innocent people fast enough to ever match the record set by the Soviet Union.
Not that we would try.
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It’s absolutely true that the Soviet Union played a major role in the defeat of Nazi Germany in WW2. For this, for the courage displayed and the suffering endured, the armed forces of the USSR might be admired.
However, for me, this admiration must be counterbalanced against the other deeds of the Soviet regime.
In the famine of 1921 alone, estimates are that some five million Russians perished. Most authorities place the total loss of Russian life for the years 1914 to 1922, the period of war and civil war, foreign intervention, drought and famine at 20 million. In addition, industrial production and capacity were driven back to levels existing prior to 1900.
This is, after all, the same country that deliberately starved about 6 million of its own Ukrainian population in 1932-33.
This is, after all the same regime that imprisoned many of its own population in the Gulag Archipelago ~1936-1938 with grim results. How many of those died?
http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html
“In the original version of his book The Great Terror, Robert Conquest gave the following estimates of those arrested, executed, and incarcerated during the height of the Purge:
Arrests, 1937-1938 - about 7 million
Executed - about 1 million
Died in camps - about 2 million
In prison, late 1938 - about 1 million
In camps, late 1938 - about 8 million
Conquest concluded that "not more than 10 percent of those then in camp survived." Updating his figures in the late 1980’s based on recently-released archival sources, he increased the number of "arrests" to 8 million, but reduced the number in camps to "7 million, or even a little less." This would give a total death toll for the main Purge period of just under ten million people. About 98 percent of the dead (Gendercide Watch's calculation) were male.”
Can you say “Russian Holocaust”?
This is, after all, the same regime that signed a mutual non-aggression treaty with Nazi Germany on August 23, 1939, the Molotov- Ribbentrop Treaty.
http://www.humboldt.edu/~rescuers/book/Makuch/molrib.html
“Molotov Ribbentrop Treaty
On August 23, 1939 Hitler and Stalin signed a non-aggression pact, called the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty. Secret protocols of the treaty defined the territorial spheres of influence Germany and Russia would have after a successful invasion of Poland. Hitler had been creating justifications and laying plans for such an invasion since April.
According to the agreement, Russia would have control over Latvia, Estonia, and Finland, while Germany would gain control over Lithuania and Danzig. Poland would be partitioned into three major areas. The Warthland area, bordering Germany would be annexed outright to the German Reich, and all non-German inhabitants expelled to the east. Over 77,000 square miles of eastern Polish lands, with a population of over thirteen million would become Russian territory. The central area would become a German protectorate, named the General Government, governed by a German civil authority.
On September 1,1939 Hitler's forces invaded Poland from the west. According to plan, Soviet troops invaded Polish territory from the east on September 17. Poland surrendered on September 27. The next day Poland was partitioned according to the treaty's scheme, ending a brief twenty year period as an independent nation. “
When the Soviet Union invaded Poland there were in effect the following treaties and agreements between the governments of Poland and the Soviet Union:
The Peace Treaty between Poland, Russia and the Ukraine signed in Riga, on March 18, 1921, by which the Eastern frontiers of Poland were defined.
The Protocol between Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Rumania and the USSR regarding renunciation of war as an instrument of national policy, signed in Moscow on February 9, 1929.
The Non-Aggression Pact between Poland and the USSR signed in Moscow on July 25, 1932.
The Protocol signed in Moscow on May 5, 1934 between Poland and the USSR, extending until December 31, 1945, the Non-Aggression Pact of July 25, 1932.
The Convention for the Definition of Aggression signed in London on July 3, 1933.
Fine Fellows, don’t you think? Trustworthy, admirable, worthy of adulation.
Wait, don’t decide yet…there’s more “good deeds” to recount before we get to the sacrifice of the Soviet Union in fighting the Germans.
http://members.spree.com/ojoronen/eastbalt.htm
“On June 17th and 18th of 1940, hundreds of thousands of Red Army troops crossed the frontiers and took over the Baltic States.
Between July 14th and July 17th, "elections" were held in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Stalin had so many Baltic Communists killed in purges in 1936 and 1937 that he had trouble finding candidates. However, the Communist majorities were 92.8%, 97.8% and 99.19% respectively. Finally on August 5th, the Supreme Soviet very generously agreed to admit the three republics as constituent members of the USSR In this way three independent, prosperous and civilized countries vanished from the map of Europe.
Stalin was now in a position to implement 0RDER N 0. 001223. During the first year of Soviet occupation of Estonia more than 60,000 persons were killed or deported (on the night of June 13-14, 1941 more than 10,000 people were removed in a mass deportation). During 1941-1944 the Nazis occupied Estonia.
Before the Soviets returned in 1944, over 60,000 Estonians managed to escape from the country. In 1945-1946 Stalin deported another 20,000 people. On March 24-27, 1949, 70,000 more persons were deported.
These were mainly farmers who resisted collectivization.
In Lithuania, on the night of June 14-15, 1941, 30,455 members of the Lithuanian intelligentsia (national guard, civil servants etc.) were deported to Siberia. When the Germans advanced in 1941, Stalin had the approximately 5,000 political prisoners still held in Lithuanian jails executed. When the Nazis took over, approximately 170,000 Jews were exterminated. Before the Soviets returned in 1944, approximately 80,000 Lithuanians managed to escape, but 60,000 were deported to Siberia. In 1945 - 1946 approximately 145,000 Lithuanians were deported. Another 60,O00 were deported in March of 1949 because of collectivization.
During the Winter War the Finns lost 25,000 people fighting the Soviet Union. If they had given in to the Soviet demands, like the three other Baltic States, the chances are that they would have had over 400,000 people killed. It seems that they made the right decision, and at the same time saved the N K V D officers a lot of work.”
Wait! Don’t form an opinion yet! There’s more before the Soviets resist the evil Germans!
Remember Poland? There was a place called Kaytn Forest….
http://members.spree.com/ojoronen/eastbalt.htm
“Fifteen thousand Polish prisoners of war were taken illegally to the Soviet Union and kept in three camps, Kozielsk, Starobielsk and Ostashkov. Many of these people were officers. There were also many reserve officers consisting of University professors, surgeons, engineers, lawyers, teachers, journalists, etc…
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When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union in June of 1941, the Soviets suffered several military defeats. Their attitude towards the western allies and to Poland therefore changed. A Polish-Soviet treaty was signed in July of 1941 and the organization of a Polish Army in the Soviet Union was immediately begun. A thorough search was made for all Polish prisoners, but about 14,500 could not be found. They were not found until several of them were found by the Germans in mass graves at Katyn, near Smolensk, in April 1943….
The International Commission consisted of doctors from twelve different countries. The Findings were that 4,145 bodies were found in eight mass graves. All of them had been shot in the back of the head. The bodies still had on them personal belongings such as diaries, letters, newspapers, and other items all indicating that the crime took place in the second half of March or in April 1940. The evidence was overwhelming that it had been carried out by the NKVD under direct instructions from Moscow….
All the bodies found at Katyn were of people who came from the camp of Kozielsk. But what happened to the 10,000 or so other prisoners from the other two camps? There is no solid evidence, i.e. no bodies were found, but the inmates of the camp at Starobielsk are believed to have been taken to a place near Kharkov and murdered. The inmates from the camp of Ostashkov are believed to have been taken to the White Sea, put aboard two barges, towed out to sea, and the barges sunk.
Altogether the Soviets arrested 250,000 Polish soldiers. When the NKVD moved into Poland, using their usual methods, an estimated 1,500,000 Poles were deported, and within two years 270,000 were dead.”
Want a bit more? This is the same regime that aided the hated Nazis right up until the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
http://members.spree.com/ojoronen/eastbalt.htm
“Probably Stalin's most successful propaganda coup of all was the propagation of the myth that Soviet territorial acquisitions in 1939 were designed to establish a forward strategic line in case of a German attack. This tale has received wide acceptance, but eighteen months later when Hitler launched his invasion, virtually nothing had been accomplished in the way of fortifications, defensive lines or military airfields to exploit ground gained by the Nazi-Soviet Pact. In fact, the national armies of Finland, Romania and the Baltic States would have protected Stalin's flanks. As it was, Finland and Romania were turned into effective allies of the Germans, and the Baltic States provided Hitler with excellent troops.
Hitler gained a great deal from the pact. Provision was made for the supply from Russia of a million tons of grain for cattle, 900,000 tons of mineral oil, 100,000 tons of cotton, 500,000 tons of phosphates, 100,000 tons of chrome ore, 500,000 tons of iron ore, 300,000 tons of scrap iron and pig iron, and numerous other commodities vital to the German war effort.
While Hitler was fighting Britain and France, the Soviet Union was supplying him with his raw materials. Not only that , but they were helping Hitler to break Britain's blockade by supplying rubber and other essential supplies by transporting them on the Trans-Siberian Railway. It is interesting to note that while Stalin was supplying Hitler with thousands of tons of grain, his own people were starving.
While the Soviet Union held back from joining Germany as a belligerent, she furnished Germany with military co-operation far beyond that which the United States was giving Britain at that time. The German navy was allowed facilities at Murmansk on a scale which contrasts favorably in many ways with restrictions placed on Allied use of the same port between 1941 and 1945.
The German liner "Bremen" found refuge there, as did a succession of blockade-breaking vessels; and measures violating international law were adopted by the Soviet authorities to allow the Germans to escape with a captured American merchant ship, "City of Flint".
German auxiliary cruisers were equipped at Murmansk for raids on British shipping.
More than this, the Soviets actually allowed Germany her own naval base on Soviet soil near Murmansk. It proved to be a valuable base for U-Boats operating in the North Sea, and played an important role helping supply Hitler's invasion of Norway. The Soviets helped a German raiding cruiser, "Schiff 45", to make her way through the ice around Siberia to the Pacific, where she sank and captured 64,000 tons of allied shipping. In this and other ways the Soviet Government lent enormous assistance to the otherwise extremely vulnerable German Navy.”
Of course, this is also the same regime that signed the 13 April 1941 Soviet-Japanese non-aggression pact. Perhaps the Japanese should have talked to the Poles first?
Just in time though, because on June 22, the “two thieves” fell out. Hitler’s Germany turned upon Stalin’s Soviet Union and the Soviets glorious chance to stop helping and start fighting the Germans finally arrived.
Eventually, the Soviets decisively beat the Germans.
When it was all over, this is the same regime that Poland, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria came to know so well. But that’s another story.
Glorify who you will. Admire who you will. If this Regime is heroic to you, so be it.
Perhaps you can ignore the true nature of that Regime simply because when the “two thieves” finally had a falling out, one set of thieves and murderers helped defeat the thieves and murderers that started the Second World War.
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Boroda tell us what you think of the 10 year long soviet attack on afghanistan?
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Flood Alert!!!
:D
Toad, I didn't read below "1921 famine".
Better to accuse Soviets about it then intervention forces, including US.
JFYI, last "hunger" stroke Russia in 1947. Only the bloody soviet regime stopped it.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Damn, I don't have a tinfoil hat, anyone post plans or a link for one?
I need dem plans too, been tryin' to make a perfect triangle shaped one all day and can't get it right.
You know of course a tinfoil hat is worthless unless lined with guacamole?
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And 62 years ago the USSR was participating in the invasion of Poland.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Boroda tell us what you think of the 10 year long soviet attack on afghanistan?
It was not an attack. It was an attempt (and quite successfull) to restore law and order. But it was a silly "adventure" of the Soviet "herontocracy", that was performed without using any experience of 100 years of Russian Empire and USSR in Middle Asia. Soviet administration "advisors" in Afghanistan acted like they were in middle-blackland Russia, not in a Moslim country with strong traditions. Anyway, Army controlled 90% of Afghanistan by 1987, regardless to the American aid to the bandits. Only Gorbachev's treason brought that war inside the borders of former USSR.
Entering Afghanistan was a big mistake. Withdrawing from there was a crime.
What enrages me is that Defence Ministry casuality report for 2002 in Chechnya is 4500 soldiers and officers. Compare it to 13700 for 10 years in Afghanistan :mad:
Sorry, have to go now, vodka is getting warm ;)
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Boroda, I figured that. You obviously haven't read a lot of your own history.
Just getting the facts out in case you decide to do so sometime.
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The problem is that this "news" will be very popular here. Last night our third TV channel (Moscow local) had a poll. 60000 votes hope Iraq will win
Like anyone cares what a bunch of vodka drunk broke bellybutton Russians think.
dago
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I thought it was an American "freedom fighter" (or do you call them "peace keepers"?) who bombed a funeral crowd in Afghanistan?
I believe it was a wedding party you are trying poorly to refer to, and it has been confirmed that a bunch of them were firing weapons in the air, not a particularly bright activity with military planes flying overhead.
OR maybe....
It never happened, maybe its all just a made up story by our propaganda machine? hahahahahah
Someone like Boroda amazes me, he spends all his time trying to hate, trying to find fault. Its the same with a lot of the Arabs who are choosing a life as a terrorist. Based out of envy, resentment from not having or being what the other guy is you can only find fault or try and discredit. He leads a life of frustration and unhappiness brought on by his feelings of inferiority.
Say all you want Boroda, we are both amused at your foolishness and saddened by your pathetic nature.
dago
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Toad: The Anti roadkill Equivalent of the Daisy Cutter.
Toad.
When Boris over there starts up, can I call you for an airstrike?