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Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:14:49 PM
LOL im wondering what will those 3k tomahawks hit

Iraq has about 2k Tanks and you are about to drop 4k bombs and fire 3k tomahawks in next few hours


wtg.. :rolleyes:

how much it cost to disassemble 1 tomahawk ?
Title: tomahawks
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 21, 2003, 05:16:57 PM
They are targeted at orphanages.... No more baby milk plants are left, we took care of those 12 years ago.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:32:04 PM
as if tomahawks are all we have.. lol

what was it they said on the news...
"ain't seen nothing yet"

tanks are fodder for aircraft (jets and choppers)
do you realize how many missiles or bombs it takes to kill a tank?

1

besides, it's not like every one will fight ..
they'll give up soon enough.  if not.. then we drop 1
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:33:51 PM
i did thats why im wondering


you didnt hear anything ????
ohhhh

you gonno hear it may be tomorow..... Pentagon have to filter it first
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Curval on March 21, 2003, 05:35:23 PM
Coming from a Russian, whose country is nothing but a mafia run money laundry, I find all your jabs at the US particalarly rich.

The greatest danger to peace on the planet is all of the chemical, biological and nuclear weapons made built by YOUR country.  

Funny how you NEVER hear about possible sale of nuclear weapons to the terrorists by the US...it's always Russia, or former Soviet Bloc country who it is feared will sell them.

Why don't your clean up that disgrace of a country you live in before criticing those who are trying to get rid of a lunatic who has for years threatened to acquire, build and sell WMDs, and has made numerous efforts to do some from the countries mentioned above.  Thank goodness the US has put a great effort into preventing that from happening.

Your "hero" Stalin has alot in common with Sadaam, so it is not really surprising you are against his removal.  At least there are people in this world willing to do it.  

...and Tomahawks are going to help 'em do it.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:36:24 PM
huh? (directed at "American-named" eaglecz)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 05:38:51 PM
I think the CZ indicates he's from the Czech Republic.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:39:09 PM
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Originally posted by Curval

Your "hero" Stalin has alot in common with Sadaam, so it is not really surprising you are against his removal.  
...and Tomahawks are going to help 'em do it.


my dear pathetic blind sheep

we did agree few months ago, that question isnt if to remove SH or  not, but how to do it
and
what to do then
so open your cola, make some dogmeal in microwave and shut up
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:40:15 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
I think the CZ indicates he's from the Czech Republic.


WTG !!!!!!
:D
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 05:40:58 PM
I knew that for a long time Eagle.  I'm just trying to help the other people.

I can't imagine why you would complain about Tomahawks.  They aren't perfect but they are pretty accurate.  Only about 3000 civilians were killed in Bagdhad during the first war, and I'm sure it will be much less this time.  I think they will use JDAM for targets near residential areas, because it is much more precise than TLAM.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
huh? (directed at "American-named" eaglecz)


actualy this nick name is in english ... and english isnt american language...
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:42:49 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
I knew that for a long time Eagle.  I'm just trying to help the other people.


sure i was nicely surprised that at least one noted that :)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:43:14 PM
actually, the EAGLE is the American symbol

but you knew that.. and everything else in the universe
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:44:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
actually, the EAGLE is the American symbol

but you knew that.. and everything else in the universe


actualy there is about 20 countries with that symbol.... you blind american

and Moravia... one of the countries in Czech Rep. have it as well....

actualy IRI have eagle on the Flag as well....
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:46:20 PM
you dumba**

most of the people here can figure out what I meant.

lol, next time I'll phrase it for a kindergarten level mentality
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:46:21 PM
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
actually, the EAGLE is the American symbol

but you knew that.. and everything else in the universe


your limited education, lack of tolerance and strong will in your great knowledge is only 1 problem you have
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 05:46:41 PM
One of my AH handles was "Orzel".  :)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:47:19 PM
see above.  you waste my time.

and no, you are never going to get it.
(again, see above)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Hangtime on March 21, 2003, 05:51:53 PM
czech republic.. where the mushrooms glow, and the pigs are all radioactive college graduates.

care for a truffle eagleCZ?
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 21, 2003, 05:52:05 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
your limited education, lack of tolerance and strong will in your great knowledge is only 1 problem you have


Youre learning!  :)

When you insult another's education, its generally a good idea to consult a dictionary beforehand.

You guys enjoying your freedom over there in the old republics?  You can thank us when youre ready...
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:52:51 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
One of my AH handles was "Orzel".  :)


remove Z and you have Eagle in our language :)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 05:53:44 PM
I know :)
Orzel = eagle in Polish
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Youre learning!  :)

You guys enjoying your freedom over there in the old republics?  You can thank us when youre ready...


just wanted to thank you, that you watched, how british and france gave us to Hitler as present

Just wanted to thank you, that you Gave us to Russia after WW2 (even when you was here)

Just wanted to thank you, that you never ever came back. <- serious note. not sarcastic
Title: Re: tomahawks
Post by: Tumor on March 21, 2003, 05:55:42 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
LOL im wondering what will those 3k tomahawks hit

Iraq has about 2k Tanks and you are about to drop 4k bombs and fire 3k tomahawks in next few hours


wtg.. :rolleyes:

how much it cost to disassemble 1 tomahawk ?


Well for starters... you don't fire Tomahawks at tanks. :rolleyes:
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:55:58 PM
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Just wanted to thank you, that you never ever came back.


.... yet
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Eaglecz on March 21, 2003, 05:56:19 PM
i know.. so tell me what will they hit
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Wlfgng on March 21, 2003, 05:57:25 PM
be secure in the  knowledge that the tanks will see incoming mavericks soon enough.. for a split second that is
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Tumor on March 21, 2003, 05:59:52 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
i know.. so tell me what will they hit



they hit whatever we want them to hit. (try CNN)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 06:03:35 PM
The Iraqi army and air defence forces are mostly located near Bagdhad in defensive positions.  What the Coalition forces are doing is using recon assets to locate these positions, then attacking them with appropriate missiles/bombs (depending on the precision required), then checking bomb damage assessment data and then striking again or moving to the next target.  

TLAM (Tomahawk) has to be programmed on a fixed target before launch, which happens on a ship or sub far from the target.  It's not like a JDAM where you can fly over the target and program it at the last minute.  And it doesn't have the precision of the JDAM.  So that means TLAM is used for big things like military installations or troop concentrations.  Air Force or Army bases, supply depots, command, communication, control facilities, air defense facilities, etc.  For targets that are very close to civilian facilities they will probably use JDAM because it is so accurate.  I think air launched cruise missiles are being used as well.  They are generally similarto the TLAM.  None of those weapons are useful for moving targets so they will use other things for those, like optical, laser, IR, radar guided weapons.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 21, 2003, 06:08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
just wanted to thank you, that you watched, how british and france gave us to Hitler as present

Just wanted to thank you, that you Gave us to Russia after WW2 (even when you was here)

Just wanted to thank you, that you never ever came back. <- serious note. not sarcastic


We wouldnt want to violate an UN resolutions by "liberating" you.  Besides, innocent civians might be killed.  :eek:
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Martlet on March 21, 2003, 06:08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
just wanted to thank you, that you watched, how british and france gave us to Hitler as present

Just wanted to thank you, that you Gave us to Russia after WW2 (even when you was here)

Just wanted to thank you, that you never ever came back. <- serious note. not sarcastic


Why don't you take care of yourself?  Nothing worse than a whiner from a freaking welfare country.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 06:11:16 PM
Crap I hate it when I'm wrong.  It looks like all of the cruise missile platforms (TLAM, ALCM, ACM) are all now upgraded to use GPS.  Which means they have something like 5 m CEP (circular error).  They are an order of magnitude more accurate than the cruise missiles used in 1991.

JDAM (gps guided bomb) has as low as 3 m CEP.

For moving targets the USAF and USN have a new toy called the JSOW, which also has about 3 m CEP.

Air power can now be used with much more precision than 1991.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Tumor on March 21, 2003, 06:18:59 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
Crap I hate it when I'm wrong.  It looks like all of the cruise missile platforms (TLAM, ALCM, ACM) are all now upgraded to use GPS.  Which means they have something like 5 m CEP (circular error).  They are an order of magnitude more accurate than the cruise missiles used in 1991.

JDAM (gps guided bomb) has as low as 3 m CEP.


CALCM[/b]...dammit :D  yur gonna scare sumbody!
Title: tomahawks
Post by: funkedup on March 21, 2003, 06:23:30 PM
Sorry man :)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Curval on March 21, 2003, 06:36:55 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
my dear pathetic blind sheep

we did agree few months ago, that question isnt if to remove SH or  not, but how to do it
and
what to do then
so open your cola, make some dogmeal in microwave and shut up


I'm not your sheep dipwad.

Fine..your Czech..I got it wrong.  You have my condolances.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Hangtime on March 21, 2003, 07:53:47 PM
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
just wanted to thank you, that you watched, how british and france gave us to Hitler as present

Just wanted to thank you, that you Gave us to Russia after WW2 (even when you was here)

Just wanted to thank you, that you never ever came back. <- serious note. not sarcastic


thank yer government for 1938.. they folded. 1.5 million men under arms, behind fortifications that were superior to anything else in europe.. and they folded without a shot. Cowards. We bear no onus for your goverments treachery to it's people.

ten years later, in 1948, LOCAL communists seized control of your government, and signed THEMSELVES over to Russia. again, thank yerselves for being in the soviet sphere.

20 years after that, you revolted.. and thanks to the UN, you got no help. unable to dig YOURSELVES out of this situation, the russians invaded.

your people bear more responsiblity for what became of your nation than any outside government.

deal with it.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Jack55 on March 21, 2003, 08:34:02 PM
What will these hit?
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 21, 2003, 08:45:07 PM
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Originally posted by Jack55
What will these hit?


30mm - mounted on an A10 in this case.

Depleted Uranium rounds capable of breaching light tanks and APCs.  Depending on armor configuration, some MBT's too.

Dont want to be on the recieving end of one of these.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Toad on March 21, 2003, 08:47:03 PM
Hang,

History can be so inconveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient, can't it?

;)
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Major_Hans on March 21, 2003, 09:08:16 PM
Didn't Chamberlain, a British Prime Minister "give" Czechoslovakia to Hitler?  And wasn't the USA deep into it's isolationism mode at the time, claiming that Europe's problems are for the Europeans?

So that means I need to ask this question.  Why is that America's fault?

Man, now we're getting blamed for things we didn't do.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Toad on March 21, 2003, 09:10:38 PM
It's that History thing, Hans.

Orel probably isn't aware of the US Neutrality Acts, although he must be aware that the League of Nations couldn't manage a resolution authorizing the use of force against Hitler. He probably also knows the US wasn't in the League.

Just history.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: Major_Hans on March 21, 2003, 09:19:18 PM
Tomahawks are neat weapons.

However, they don't go after vehicles, at least ones that are moving.  They have no tracking radar systems.  They only go to the coordinates you tell them to go to, and they fly at sub-sonic speeds using a small jet engine.  It can be a few hours from launch to detonation.  If this was a tank, it could move while the Tomahawk was enroute.

Whether there is anything to hit at the coordinates has to be determined ahead of time.  Well defended things that can't move are their primary targets.  Bridges, power stations, railroad yards, and the occasional old, chemical weapons plant with a brand new "baby milk factory" sign out front.

Besides, make the little rugrats breast feed instead.  Baby milk factory indeed.

Nope.

Since Bagdad still has power and running water I can tell that the USA is deliberatly not trying to ruin the average Iraqui's day to day living, only thier leadership.  The reports I've seen today seemed to be mostly concentrated on government buildings and Presidental palaces.
Title: tomahawks
Post by: eglecz on March 22, 2003, 04:52:34 AM
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Originally posted by Major_Hans

So that means I need to ask this question.  Why is that America's fault?



i didnt say its US fauls ...
 
all im trying to say , that people allready did sutch things in name of "Peace"
Title: tomahawks
Post by: eglecz on March 22, 2003, 04:57:51 AM
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Originally posted by Hangtime
czech republic.. where the mushrooms glow, and the pigs are all radioactive college graduates.

care for a truffle eagleCZ?


naa it already passed away few years after Cernobyl :D
Title: tomahawks
Post by: X2Lee on March 22, 2003, 07:36:57 AM
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Originally posted by eglecz
naa it already passed away few years after Cernobyl :D


Brain cells dont regenerate.